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Monday, January 23rd, 2012, 00:04 UTC
[00:04:12] stuartm: not my fault, it's building the plugins against an old version of the libs
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[00:45:49] jpabq: stuartm, I have updated the .xsd. First time I have ever looked at an .xsd before, but it seems to work. Do you want to take a look at the diff, before I commit it?
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[01:46:12] gigem: sphery: programgenres were added when DD/SD came along. iirc, in the DD/SD case, category is just the genre that is listed first (the one with the highest precedence).
[01:46:49] sphery: ah, I see, thanks for the info
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[05:27:19] iamlindoro: danielk22: *Exactly* how I was hoping we could close that ticket earlier today :)
[05:27:41] iamlindoro: With so few firewire users maybe someone will step up and find some issues like people have been lately with close captioning… but otherwise… oh well
[05:32:51] danielk22: iamlindoro: Yeah, we have to prioritize. I wish we had some hard numbers, but I'm pretty sure my gut on the firewire is correct. I'm less certain of something like analog recorder usage.
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[05:55:36] dekarl_zZz: wagnerrp: theres no subtitle at all in most of our EIT data
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[05:58:33] wagnerrp: dekarl: yeah, we figured it out
[05:58:57] wagnerrp: with no subtitle, it automatically went to the movie grabber
[05:59:24] wagnerrp: but since you had defined the inetref, it used that same ref with the wrong grabber
[05:59:29] wagnerrp: and gave you porn
[05:59:29] wagnerrp: :)
[05:59:35] dekarl: I was thinking along a crid/xmlns like approach, stick the namespace into the inetref field. like tvdb:x and tmbd:x
[05:59:48] dekarl: aye, thats exactly what it did.
[06:00:07] dekarl: a simple adult content toggle could work around that, too
[06:02:10] wagnerrp: all discussed
[06:02:28] wagnerrp: well, the adult toggle was anyway
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[08:50:37] markk: jya: hopefully you're awake:) just a quick sanity check – does the audio code assume that timestamps are always in a certain unit? e.g. if I'm using an trp timestamp (which is in frames) – will this throw out calculations for results from GetAudioBufferedTime
[08:58:08] jya: markk: timestamp is the frames * 1000 / sample_rate
[08:58:47] markk: jya: so if I have an existing 'timestamp' that is in frames – I just need to convert to keep everything happy?
[09:00:06] jya: for stuff like GetAudioBufferedTime, it looks at the size of the audio buffer, divide by the size of a frame * 1000 / samplerate, and estimate the timestamp from that
[09:00:48] jya: so I would say yes, simply do the conversion according to the samplingrate and that will be fine
[09:01:19] markk: excellent – thanks:)
[09:02:44] jya: having said that, it's not always obvious to tell something is wrong… you'll find that with no timestamp at all, with most content A/V sync is just fine !
[09:03:04] jya: it's only when there's a drop of frame or something crappy occurring that it makes a difference
[09:03:52] jya: BTW, I was playing a few DVD in the past few days, every 4–5 minutes or so, I get a short pause, with messages in the log about broken A/V sync, and waiting 100ms bits..
[09:04:38] jya: is this something known in 0.24 and likely to be fixed in 0.25? I know you've done some work on the DVD player
[09:05:41] markk: jya: this is airtunes streaming – most of the time it is audio only and you don't notice anything. when playing a video and passing the audio to myth, the sync appears fine but the logging suggests a slow but obvious creep in audio sync.
[09:06:12] jya: cool, I'll be more than happy to test this feature...
[09:06:30] jya: I have an Apple TV, and an airport express.
[09:06:32] markk: re dvd – hard to say. I've not run 0.24 for a looong time. could be fixed by any number of commits (or broken further)
[09:07:49] jya: how will it work from the user perspective? do you choose the media from the ATV (like you would browsing through "Home Sharing", or do you push from the backend (I would assume you start it from mythweb or something similar)
[09:09:45] markk: at the moment, you should just get a MythTV option when playing media on an iOS device (in the same way an Apple TV should be visible) – select MythTV and you're good to go:)
[09:10:09] jya: how, something I've noticed playing bluray with mythavtest (still 0.24), subtitles are screwed up; often the text stays slightly distorted, like ghosting on screen for quite a while, and new subtitles is displayed on top
[09:10:52] jya: ah, you mean AirTunes is playing from the iPhone to the mythfrontend...
[09:11:05] markk: yes – streaming to the frontend
[09:11:35] jya: ah ok… so no need for an ATV any longer… I had imagined the other way round. Using the AppleTV as frontend, pushing from the backend
[09:11:53] jya: that would be a nice option too… very cheap, quiet and low power frontend
[09:12:43] markk: jya: the latter is probably fairly straightforward with http live streaming
[09:24:14] markk: jya: I've not seen anything like that with bluray subtitles – sounds like an ffmpeg issue though (which may well be fixed)
[09:24:41] jya: time for me to upgrade I guess...
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[09:38:55] MythBuild: build #41 of master-osx-snow-leopard is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . rd/builds/41
[09:39:19] stuarta: that'll make stuartm happy
[09:39:33] stuarta: cleared out the old libs i'd carelessly left lying around
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[10:02:56] stuarta: ahah, an opportunity to restart the build master
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[10:06:14] MythBuild: build #12 of 0.24-osx-snow-leopard is complete: Exception [exception git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.24 . . . rd/builds/12
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[11:45:38] stuartm: can anyone (markk, danielk22, taylorr) suggest a reason not to use the O_STREAMING (discard cache after reading) for DVDs?
[11:46:22] stuarta: stuartm: fixed the osx buildslave for you
[11:46:37] stuarta: left some old libraries lying around
[11:46:45] stuartm: stuarta: appreciated :)
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[11:59:54] stuartm: btw, ignore the last about O_STREAMING it seems it's still not standard and therefore won't benefit the majority
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[12:06:22] stuartm: well it was standard but then apparently dropped again
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[12:59:08] stuarta: we are really behind the 8 ball. xbmc running on the rasberry pi -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_e . . . =4NR57ELY28s
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[13:25:31] Seeker`: I wonder how many active devs XBMC has
[13:39:29] danielk22: Looks like 9 active: http://www.ohloh.net/p/xbmc/analyses/latest
[13:40:19] ** stuarta wonders if ohloh classifies him as dead **
[13:40:42] danielk22: yes :) http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/analyses/latest
[13:41:10] stuarta: i might be "other"
[13:41:13] ** stuarta sniffs.... **
[13:43:39] stuarta: only 181 commits. is that all?
[13:44:16] stuarta: danielk22: you win 3287 commits
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[13:54:11] stuartm: spiffy new graphs
[13:55:41] danielk22: stuarta: I don't win on recent commits. Mark has that crown.
[13:56:17] stuartm: by a very good margin too
[13:56:47] markk: something tells me the user experience with xbmc on the pi isn't going to be great. deinterlacing?
[13:57:45] stuartm: stuarta: git pull --rebase just before pushing can avoid those ugly merge commits
[13:58:46] stuarta: ah well
[13:59:02] stuarta: given the size of it i should have pulled before tweaking
[13:59:40] stuarta: i'm also learning the git ways of avoiding git pull and trying to use git fetch; git merge origin/master instead
[14:03:58] stuarta: ahah, so i should have done git rebase origin/master rather than merge
[14:04:34] ** stuarta makes note for self **
[14:06:23] stuarta: bah messy indeed
[14:07:27] stuarta: i still like git :)
[14:10:06] stuarta: learned my first bit of fork, commit and send pull request this morning
[14:10:10] stuarta: must be on a roll
[14:12:51] Peitolm: stuarta: you were testing out qt4.8 the other day, did you get errors referencing something like qt_4_7 or did it work?
[14:13:35] stuarta: i can get it to build from source on osx snow leopard provided i don't do a parallel build
[14:14:19] stuarta: but you answered the question i was trying to get to anyway, since it doesn't build at all on lion
[14:14:46] Peitolm: *nods*
[14:15:04] MythBuild: build #486 of cppcheck-master is complete: Failure [failed git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/cppc . . . r/builds/486 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org >, Daniel Kristjansson <danielk@cuymedia.net >, Stuart Auchterlonie <stuarta@squashedfrog.net >
[14:15:16] jya: stuarta: never had problem building mythtv on SL using SDK target 10.4. In Lion however, such SDK isn't available.. haven't yet managed to build on Lion
[14:15:20] Peitolm: couldn't get it to do a non-parallel build, but it still looks ike a bug
[14:15:42] Peitolm: jya: have you gotten qt to build yet?
[14:16:01] jya: Peitolm: yes, I can build all dependencies in Lion
[14:16:02] Seeker`: interesting, xbmc is 6.8 million LoC, mythtv is 2.5 million
[14:16:27] Peitolm: jya: straight from source?
[14:16:27] stuarta: from the reading i did at Qt site lion isn't supported
[14:16:44] stuarta: other than from the builds they do on earlier releases
[14:16:47] Peitolm: jya, can you try the osx-packager.pl?
[14:16:47] jya: let met post what I have done so far on the build system.. But I gave up a couple of month ago, now using a 10.5 VM
[14:17:16] stuarta: what might be worth doing, is making it so that it can build against Qt if it's installed as a framework
[14:17:29] jya: Peitolm: yes, all from source.
[14:17:46] jya: I added plenty of switch command to let you define path, SDK, and even different version of xcode
[14:17:51] Peitolm: which versino of qt?
[14:18:39] jya: let me restart my VM
[14:18:40] stuarta: ignore that cppcheck failure, i'll have to look at it. it'll be related to the "fix" i put in earlier
[14:18:51] jya: i did a git revert not so long ago on my machine
[14:20:02] jya: Peitolm: 4.6
[14:21:01] stuarta: building on lion?
[14:21:21] stuarta: there are lots of reports of that failing
[14:21:25] jya: stuarta: yes, after manually install 10.4 SDK
[14:21:36] jya: not using LLVM but gcc-4.2
[14:21:38] jya: http://pastebin.com/NPkuBptR
[14:21:42] stuarta: ah, right, it's something in the toolchain then
[14:22:24] jya: I can't remember when I last tried, but I did it with the following config line (after applying the patch obviously)
[14:22:25] jya: git/packaging/OSX/build/osx-packager.pl -force -nohead -verbose -ccver 4.0 -devbin /XCode3/usr/bin
[14:22:50] jya: where it fails is building libswscale in mythtv
[14:22:58] jya: issue with registers
[14:23:08] stuarta: i'd fixed osx-packager so you could specify CC and CXX to override the default compiler
[14:23:10] jya: then I had enough , so I gave up :)
[14:23:13] stuartm: it would be nice if buildbot recognised the difference between a compilation failure and a toolchain error
[14:23:36] stuarta: sometimes it's hard to tell the difference
[14:23:49] stuarta: since they both result in compilation failure
[14:24:14] stuarta: Peitolm: i think the best bet would actually to work on building against Qt as a framework
[14:24:29] stuarta: that way you can install the framework from Qt
[14:24:31] stuarta: and build the rest
[14:25:01] jya: stuarta: that would be an excellent idea, cause Qt also takes forever to build
[14:25:04] Peitolm: i seem to recall trying that previously, but i'll give it another go
[14:25:17] jya: even on my i7–2600, It takes over 15 minutes
[14:25:18] Peitolm: qt take about 20 mins on my machines if that
[14:25:34] Peitolm: must be less than that actually
[14:25:34] stuarta: i build mine overnight on the mini
[14:25:39] Peitolm: no actually timed it
[14:25:48] stuarta: it's like 3–4hrs
[14:25:55] Peitolm: mainly because i haven't gotten it to work on my lion boxes
[14:26:03] jya: I think I recall being like 55 minutes all up with an empty ccache
[14:26:04] Peitolm: but the laptop doesn't take too long
[14:26:25] stuarta: in theory it should mainly be makefile / osx-packager changes to make it work
[14:26:28] jya: was several hours on my MBP with an i7 too
[14:26:59] jya: allright, off to bed for me.. good night people…
[14:27:00] stuarta: i've put a fix into the buildbot config for the cppcheck
[14:27:07] stuarta: just waiting for a quiet time to restart it
[14:27:36] stuarta: just the 2 slowest builders remaining
[14:32:24] stuartm: xris: I don't know where osuosl is pulling from but it's been 24 hours and the ftp mirror hasn't been updated
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[14:42:45] stuartm: iamlindoro: youtube is available by default through mythnetvision right? I'm thinking of dropping the youtube specific code from mythnews ...
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[14:47:30] wagnerrp: stuartm: correct
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[14:48:06] stuartm: ok thanks, I was reasonably sure but I figured it didn't hurt to ask :)
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[15:10:35] akston_: I need some help with my bug report ... http://pastebin.com/vuWr3afn
[15:12:33] wagnerrp: akston_: this is the development channel, i can help you in the user support channel
[15:12:37] wagnerrp: see #mythtv-users
[15:13:03] akston_: Oh.. ok... thought that was a dev thing. See you there...
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[16:29:57] stuarta: hah
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[16:42:34] stuartm: "Fixes playback of VC1 encoded DVD" < huh? VC1 encoded DVD?
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[18:15:56] xris: stuartm: looks like nothing sync'd for 0.24.2: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/
[18:16:16] xris: I've asked for more info in #osuosl to make sure the sync still works.
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[18:22:31] stuartm: xris: it seems like it might be that someone renamed/deleted the directory on the temp server, Captain_Murdoch tells me that it was working for him last month but when I looked yesterday the path was missing – I recreated it earlier today so if that's the case it should work when they next sync
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[18:33:30] xris: ok, that was me. only thing I saw in that folder was old web, making it hard to find the new stuff.
[18:33:45] xris: maybe better to rename the releases to their own place?
[18:36:40] stuartm: aye, probably a better idea, I just didn't want to start playing around with the layout/configs
[18:37:46] xris: yeah. can wait for it to sync. now that I know how the sync works, it should be easy to just change rsyncd.conf to point to the better location.
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[18:57:46] pikapp: I have a PVR_150 and I am able to cat the device to a mpg file and also view in VLC when I run the following command...ivtv-tune -c3 -tus-bcast /dev/video0
[18:58:39] pikapp: I have tried to configured mythtv-setup with the tuner card as MPEG2 encoder but it is complaining about channels, I do not have a ShedulesDirect.org sub so I have tried all the other options (no grabber and EIF)
[18:59:36] wagnerrp: this is the developmental channel, you want #mythtv-users
[18:59:42] sphery: davide: Any chance you just fixed http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10031 and http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9835 in 6c2276fe0 ?
[18:59:43] pikapp: thank you, sorry
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[19:29:08] davide: sphery: I don't think so.
[19:32:28] sphery: ok, thanks for looking
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[19:50:48] stuartm: heh, email to one of the list administrator addresses purporting to be from the BBB, apparently we've had a serious complaint made against us ;)
[19:52:50] stuartm: " the Better Business Bureau notifies you that we have received a complaint (ID 280075975) from one of your customers with respect to their dealership with you." < Do you think we'll have to provide a refund?
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[20:04:47] allesmueller: kormoc, do you want to close one of your issues?
[20:05:17] mrand: stuartm: ha! is the complaint at least related, or complete spam?
[20:08:02] stuartm: mrand: the complaint is the hook, they ask you to email back so that they can discuss it :)
[20:08:11] sphery: allesmueller: you've returned! Yesterday I noticed you mentioned that you like Terra, so stuartm and I had a little discussion, yesterday in #mythtv-users... http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-01-22:23:08:58 . Interested (it looked like you already had some patches for it)
[20:09:38] sphery: the general idea is that if we get teams of people maintaining the themes they use, it will be much easier to keep them updated and to get complete coverage of all mythtv features (even those that the theme author doesn't use regularly)
[20:10:20] allesmueller: sphery, look #10146
[20:10:53] sphery: allesmueller: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/478203#478203 was my original message that shows my vision of the idea--but those who make up the teams would be able to do whatever works best for them
[20:11:02] allesmueller: I update a foreign ticket not directly related to terra
[20:13:51] sphery: Anyway, it's just an idea. If you're using Terra and want to help improve it, this approach would basically just give you commit privileges on that theme--it would have an upstream source of whatever repo you'd like, then we would pull updates from it into our codebase (at least as long as Terra remains the default for widescreen systems)
[20:14:50] sphery: and, eventually, if we come up with the new default themes (where we have "identical" wide and square themes) and remove all other themes from mythtv package, we'd just pull new versions from the upstream repos for the Theme Chooser
[20:15:02] sphery: allesmueller: btw, what mythweb issue were you looking at?
[20:15:04] allesmueller: sphery, thanks for the link – currently browsing through it ... I think it would be worth a try.
[20:15:42] allesmueller: sphery, #10274
[20:15:48] allesmueller: gmtime change
[20:15:51] sphery: oh, and I'd highly recommend trying to get others to help you... I think once we get a team or 2 working on themes, many others will be willing to join (too many are concerned about signing up for an unknown) :)
[20:17:49] sphery: But if you're interested, please let me know, and we can discuss details in PM or something. I'll help to export the current theme/history from our git and get it set up in a repo of your choosing (git/svn/... whatever works for you). I'm willing to do all the setup required so it's less for you to deal with.
[20:20:21] allesmueller: sphery, thanks for your offer – I´ll think about it ... but to be honest – I´d be not very much help on theming ... most of my time I´m on my netbook with only remote access (~600km) to my mythbox, so hardly can verify if things look nice :(
[20:21:30] sphery: Well thanks for considering it. Please let me know if you change your mind.
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[20:23:35] allesmueller: sphery, it would be important for me and likely others to find a way to contact the group members – so a summary on the wiki who is "in charge" of which theme would be nice
[20:24:27] dekarl: allesmueller: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Teams :)
[20:27:34] allesmueller: oh – already there :)  – I could swear I searched for it ;)
[20:28:35] Seeker`: I really do like the idea on the suggestions wiki page of getting rid of the 3 fixed views and just letting authors implement as many as they want
[20:29:35] stuartm: "7 changed files with 14 additions and 1,747 deletions." < I like those sort of commits
[20:30:31] sphery: stuartm: nice... cleanup is good
[20:32:32] Seeker`: especially if there are going to be multiple people working on themes – if the argument is that a theme writer is only going to write views they need, and no one person needs more than 3 – multiple authors per theme = potentially 3 views per person
[20:35:04] ** stuartm groans **
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[21:19:42] stuartm: Beirdo: can we update the cppcheck version on the buildbot?
[21:21:18] MythBuild: build #1365 of master-debian-stable-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1365 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org >
[21:26:19] stuartm: liabel! I'll sue!
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[21:59:07] markk: anyone have an issue with posting the 0.25 schedule to the dev list?
[22:00:45] stuartm: not I
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[22:14:10] skd5aner: jpabq = jpoet?
[22:14:50] TazzNZ: Hey Beirdo,xris : how is the work load on the sys admin side of things looking. I have some spare cycles I can offer
[22:15:51] stuartm: skd5aner: yes
[22:16:15] xris: TazzNZ: workload is light. mostly just a matter of the two of us making time to schedule data migrations
[22:17:02] skd5aner: jpabq (and others) – I was looking at this recent change (http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . 002704.html) and one thing that's bugged me over time is that "All" isn't really "all" – as it excludes "deleted" and "live tv" – and in my case, all == default. So why have them both? And why call it "All" if it really isn't "all"
[22:17:31] skd5aner: jpabq: figured if you were poking around in there, I might as well bring that up
[22:17:33] xris: skd5aner: "all I care about"?  ;)
[22:18:16] xris: I think it's meant as "all recordings" (as in scheduled recordings) rather than "all files on the system"
[22:18:18] skd5aner: heh – either just remove "all" since "default" is that – or extend all to really contain all :)
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[22:19:33] TazzNZ: xris: right, offer is still there :)
[22:19:37] skd5aner: well, I use the setting that saves my deleted recordings for a few days, and there's a few times every few months where I need to go in and set the group to deleted to look at/undelete a recording... when I switch back, I always wonder why there's two options that do the same thing, and that all doesn't show me all my groups listed
[22:20:10] skd5aner: xris: just seems like a random example of bad UX
[22:20:12] skd5aner: :)
[22:20:16] xris: skd5aner: spaghetti, yes.
[22:21:07] skd5aner: stuartm: thank you – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /002708.html
[22:21:28] jpabq_: skd5aner: "default" != "all". "Default" is only used if the user has not specified a recording group for the recording rule. "All" shows all recordings, no matter what recording group they are in.
[22:21:53] xris: jpabq: except for deleted/live, which are special
[22:21:53] skd5aner: jpabq_: It excludes "Deleted Recordings" and "Live TV"
[22:22:00] stuartm: skd5aner: your welcome?
[22:22:13] jpabq_: skd5aner: that is true.
[22:22:31] skd5aner: stuartm: heh – I know it may not seem like a big deal, but it's always bugged me how crappy video seemed to work in mythgallery
[22:22:50] skd5aner: stuartm: just happy someone was willing to look at it :)
[22:23:04] jpabq_: It actually goes to a little extra work, to exclude those two groups, to keep the list from being cluttered with stuff 99% of the users don't want to see.
[22:23:09] sphery: skd5aner: it only excludes Live TV (and maybe Deleted) because you told it to
[22:23:30] sphery: skd5aner: Watch Recordings, MENU (once or twice) then Change Group View and check Live TV
[22:23:48] skd5aner: jpabq_: I can understand users not necessarily wanting to see that stuff in 99% of cases (me included) – but I still think "All" should show "all" if the list includes "Live TV" and "Deleted" right below the option of "All" :)
[22:24:03] skd5aner: sphery: I don't want it to do it by default
[22:24:36] skd5aner: sphery: in that case, as jpabq_ mentioned, "All" would != default because I would have specified that those belong in my default group
[22:24:42] sphery: but recordings in all groups save the special groups makes sense for those of us who actually have more than just a Default recording group
[22:24:42] stuartm: skd5aner: if I had more time there's lots of things I'd try to improve along those lines, especially since I'm starting to think the little things can be more important than the big things when it comes to the UX
[22:25:07] sphery: that said, I do plan to change things significantly when I add tag support (after the new schema)
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[22:27:26] skd5aner: stuartm: +1, amen, yay
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[22:28:21] skd5aner: I'm pretty good friends with a UX expert – I'd love to convience her to donate some time to the project, but she makes it pretty clear that her time is valuable :/
[22:29:01] skd5aner: I did ask if she'd review a theme if I ever created one – but I've got about 5–8 steps to complete before even getting to that point
[22:30:12] xris: skd5aner: common problem with FOSS projects.
[22:30:19] xris: especially ones like mythtv that refuse to deal with $$$$>
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[22:41:52] stuartm: iamlindoro: I note that there is support in MNV for playing a stream via the internal – would that be flv or something else?
[22:42:47] stuartm: streamWebVideo() for reference
[22:42:50] iamlindoro: stuartm: It's anything the http ringbuffer will play
[22:43:04] iamlindoro: .mp4, .flv, .mpg, any of them will work
[22:43:29] stuartm: iamlindoro: ok cool, I will have to try that with mythnews, it would simplify things greatly
[22:43:33] iamlindoro: So most RSS video podcasts can be played directly at this point
[22:43:42] stuartm: excellant
[22:43:59] iamlindoro: yeah-- markk is working on a rewrite of the ringbuffer, but for me it's worked pretty nicely as it is
[22:44:17] stuartm: I hadn't really been following developments in that area :)
[22:44:29] stuartm: it deals with http redirects?
[22:46:37] stuartm: I guess I'll find out :)
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[22:58:16] stuartm: <Burns impression>excellant</Burns impression>
[23:03:18] iamlindoro: stuartm: Yeah, deals with all that
[23:03:57] stuartm: iamlindoro: yep, tested it with mythnews and committed the change already
[23:04:11] stuartm: huge improvement over downloading an entire 50MB flv before starting playback
[23:04:28] iamlindoro: yeah, definitely-- especially for something you might not want to keep at all
[23:07:22] stuartm: I think that's about all that's required for video in mythnews, it's not meant to duplicate mnv functionality just to handle the odd video embedded in a text rss feed e.g. news footage to go alongside a written report
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[23:12:16] stuartm: are we still concerned about allowing alternate browsers to be used?
[23:16:29] sphery: I don't think we should be. It made sense when MythBrowser required a full-fledged KDE install, but now that WebKit is a part of Qt (which is required for MythTV)...
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[23:18:44] stuartm: if we keep it then there's some code duplication which should be sorted out but there's no sense sorting that out if it's going to be axed
[23:19:54] jams: i think the only other reason it was kept around was for flash support
[23:20:18] jams: some people get very upset when their flash is taken away
[23:20:46] sphery: jya: if you get a chance to look at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10012#comment:9 , I'd appreciate it. I'm thinking it's a system-configuration issue where he has set the default input for ALSA to Mic instead of Line In, but don't know our audio code well enough to say for sure. TTBOMK, we just open whatever device the user specifies and we have no code at all for changing the capture device, so that means that ALSA (or ...
[23:20:51] stuartm: mythbrower/webkit supports flash now so ...
[23:20:52] sphery: ... GNOME/KDE/Pulse/something) must be changing the capture device and he just needs to configure the low level properly, but I'd like for someone in the know to verify my theory.
[23:22:38] stuartm: it would be nice if we could make these decisions without them drawing out for weeks or even months at a time – we still haven't got rid of external video support years after it was placed on the roadmap
[23:22:44] jya: sphery: this is related to audio capture… I have never been involved in that code, this has nothing to do with audio playback and it isn't related to the audio framework
[23:23:16] sphery: yeah, it's capture... I was hoping you knew at least something about that--couldn't think of anyone else who might know... maybe danielk?
[23:24:03] jams: stuartm, i say remove it.
[23:24:11] stuartm: jya: I'm getting audio pops when playing back "Audio: pcm_u8, 8000 Hz, 1 channels, u8, 64 kb/s" which isn't present if I use mythffplay
[23:24:15] jya: I have looked at the code maybe once or twice.. that's about it
[23:24:27] stuartm: any ideas?
[23:24:43] jya: stuartm: can you send me a sample? I haven't tried 8 bits audio in years...
[23:24:58] stuartm: jya: sure, I'll sort out something tomorrow
[23:25:25] stuartm: jams: I'll at least need to run it past Paul as the current maintainer of mythbrowser
[23:25:58] jya: with ffplay, it would probably let alsa do the 8->16 bits conversion, while in myth we do it ourselves
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