| Sunday, January 22nd, 2012, 23:08 UTC | ||
| [23:08:58] | sphery: | stuartm: so, I was going to ask you if you wanted to open Terra up to the Theme Teams idea to let others, like, allesmueller, a chance to improve on it, but allesmueller disappeared from #mythtv while I was typing the question |
| [23:09:14] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo will merge together all the paths that you give it |
| [23:09:15] | stuartm: | sphery: I'd be delighted |
| [23:09:44] | wagnerrp: | meaning all the files and folders in both TV Shows and Kids Movies will be merged into a single root |
| [23:09:47] | sphery: | stuartm: I was thinking if others are interested in working on/maintaining it, we could open up a new repo somewhere--like on github or sourceforge or google code--for them to work on it, and we could occasionally merge it into our branch |
| [23:09:59] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are more intended to allow you to define content on multiple disks and multiple filesystems |
| [23:10:01] | mangus580: | oops last time around I left /files/ out of the tv shows |
| [23:10:05] | wagnerrp: | rather than multiple folders in a single filesystem |
| [23:10:24] | mangus580: | Ok? then whats the best method of going about video organization for mythvideo? |
| [23:10:47] | wagnerrp: | if you want those to show up as separate paths, you would want to put them in a single 'videos' folder |
| [23:10:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: with List view, would it show the dirs? |
| [23:10:57] | wagnerrp: | with subdirectories TV Shows and Kids Movies |
| [23:10:58] | stuartm: | I'd probably privately grumble when changes which go against the design are made, but I really don't care in the long run since when I write my next theme I'll be using that instead |
| [23:11:10] | stuartm: | sphery: sounds good |
| [23:11:23] | mangus580: | gotcha so make a videos folder, then put all them underneath it? |
| [23:11:39] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, there are several alternate views that generate their own structure based off the metadata |
| [23:11:48] | mangus580: | I did not have that previously (just rebuilt the server yestarday) and it worked in a way I liked |
| [23:11:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the 'file browse mode' will not merge multiple paths like that |
| [23:11:51] | sphery: | stuartm: if you want to mention it next time allesmueller is around, I'd be happy to help set up a new repo (but if he does volunteer to work on it, I'll give him the option of choosing where) |
| [23:11:56] | wagnerrp: | ... but you know how we feel about file browse mode |
| [23:12:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but List View seems to show dirs... maybe only sub dirs? |
| [23:12:14] | sphery: | without file browse mode |
| [23:12:18] | stuartm: | sphery: sure, poke me if I should forget ;) |
| [23:12:42] | sphery: | I'm asking primarily because I have a user who seems to have just enabled file browse mode for exactly the reason above... "TV Shows" + "Kids Movies" and such |
| [23:12:48] | sphery: | and I want to help him set it up right |
| [23:13:28] | wagnerrp: | ive got videos stored across three different hard drives |
| [23:13:45] | wagnerrp: | each with a base path that i have marked in the storage directories |
| [23:13:59] | sphery: | stuartm: great... I really think we need to get a team or 2 going and then maybe others will follow--and that would help make more-complete themes that are better maintained over time |
| [23:14:00] | wagnerrp: | and with subfolders 'Movies', 'TV', 'Cartoons', and 'Videos' |
| [23:14:16] | wagnerrp: | the three different file trees get merged into one view |
| [23:14:20] | wagnerrp: | so i cannot tell which content exists on which filesystem |
| [23:14:38] | mangus580: | yeah, somehow I had it working better – but I wonder if I did it on the frontend, not the backend last time |
| [23:14:39] | sphery: | (speaking of the "homeless" themes, primarily) |
| [23:14:50] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, the only time that does not happen is when you have file browse mode |
| [23:15:10] | sphery: | I'm going to move around all my shows, and test... |
| [23:15:14] | wagnerrp: | at which point i would see the three different root definitions at the base of the tree |
| [23:15:14] | mangus580: | can I make a videos directory, and put symbolic links in said directory to point to my other 'sub directories'? or is it best for me to move them all? |
| [23:15:15] | sphery: | I know List view shows me dirs |
| [23:15:49] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: defining the storage paths in the frontend, using a colon separated list, behaved exactly the same |
| [23:15:51] | sphery: | then again, I don't have it in SGs since I don't have a backend on the frontend system |
| [23:15:57] | wagnerrp: | it would merge them together |
| [23:15:57] | mangus580: | I used to have list showing me 2 different directories |
| [23:16:05] | mangus580: | ok |
| [23:16:11] | mangus580: | I dont know what I did then!! :-D |
| [23:16:18] | mangus580: | and its all gone now, so its not like I can go look |
| [23:16:31] | wagnerrp: | you had browse mode enabled |
| [23:16:38] | iamlindoro: | FILE browse |
| [23:16:39] | wagnerrp: | which means you ignored the database cache |
| [23:16:42] | mangus580: | ahh |
| [23:16:47] | iamlindoro: | browse mode, again, ambiguous |
| [23:16:47] | mangus580: | could be |
| [23:16:47] | wagnerrp: | and scanned the filesystem each and every time you entered it |
| [23:16:59] | wagnerrp: | yes... file browse mode |
| [23:17:11] | mangus580: | not that i remember how I even set that.... |
| [23:17:22] | mangus580: | but I will try my symbolic link method... see if that works for me |
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| [23:17:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: in list view currently, theyre merged together |
| [23:18:07] | iamlindoro: | None of the views change the tree building at all |
| [23:18:16] | iamlindoro: | They all work from the same tree |
| [23:18:25] | wagnerrp: | well, browse view returns a completely flat list |
| [23:18:33] | iamlindoro: | The "Browse By…" modes change the underlying tree structure |
| [23:18:44] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It certainly does not |
| [23:18:55] | wagnerrp: | it does on mine |
| [23:19:04] | wagnerrp: | i have it open right now |
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| [23:19:09] | iamlindoro: | The only thing that returns a flat list is "enable Flat View" |
| [23:19:16] | sphery: | so is there any possible way to sort things in mythvideo |
| [23:19:26] | sphery: | or is it just one big list and you have to enable filters |
| [23:19:29] | iamlindoro: | Browse, List, and Gallery all get *identical* trees |
| [23:19:32] | iamlindoro: | in every way |
| [23:19:33] | wagnerrp: | change view -> switch to browse view |
| [23:19:44] | sphery: | that is any way without file browse mode |
| [23:19:45] | wagnerrp: | and i get a flat, horizontal list |
| [23:20:11] | wagnerrp: | alphabetical order, showing all videos in all folders |
| [23:20:23] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Then you have Flat View enabled |
| [23:20:27] | mangus580: | what sets the theme for mythtv-setup? |
| [23:20:44] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm in List view, and I now see Movies, and Open_Movies and Red_vs_Blue, which sorts my content into a hierarchy |
| [23:21:15] | iamlindoro: | And you'd see that same hierarchy in "Switch to Browse View" |
| [23:21:26] | iamlindoro: | So long as you don't have the option to flatten everything turned on |
| [23:21:53] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [23:22:02] | sphery: | had it in flat view for browse mode |
| [23:22:13] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: odd... does flat view get disabled in gallery and list? |
| [23:22:15] | sphery: | anyway, thanks |
| [23:22:23] | sphery: | now to try to get this guy to disable file browse mode |
| [23:22:36] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Believe the setting is saved per-view |
| [23:23:07] | wagnerrp: | ah, that would make sense why it was changing every time i switch in and out of browse view |
| [23:23:10] | iamlindoro: | All the Flat/File Browse/etc. craziness predates me. Once we're SG only I'll begin phasing that stuff out |
| [23:23:48] | mangus580: | well I dont have file browse set now.... but I bet I did before! |
| [23:24:22] | sphery: | yeah, and why my list view wasn't flat by my browse view was |
| [23:24:28] | iamlindoro: | All too many people turn it on, because to them it seems like "auto-scan" |
| [23:24:33] | sphery: | thanks for the explanations |
| [23:24:39] | iamlindoro: | But it has huge disadvantages and breaks lots of the nice metadata functionality |
| [23:24:58] | mangus580: | makes sense |
| [23:25:03] | sphery: | I hadn't played with the various browse/list/gallery views and didn't even remember the flat view stuff |
| [23:25:10] | wagnerrp: | "but i dont have to manually scan every time my torrent client downloads new content!" |
| [23:25:13] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo is a metadata browser, not a file browser-- people are going to have to learn to live with that when I pull out the file browse/local file settings/etc. |
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| [23:25:18] | sphery: | but now I think I can help this guy set his up right |
| [23:25:35] | sphery: | I can't wait until file browse mode is gone |
| [23:25:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Basically, turn off every toggle in the UI (File Browse, flat, etc.) and everything should work nicely |
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| [23:26:02] | wagnerrp: | so, seems the crazy germans are broadcasting masturbation videos |
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| [23:26:08] | sphery: | yeah, that's where I am--had file browse disabled, but flat view enabled |
| [23:26:29] | ** wagnerrp pokes dekarl_zZz and his sick sick recording rules ** | |
| [23:26:35] | mangus580: | I'm setup right now :-D |
| [23:26:40] | sphery: | though that was just a browse view thing and list did what I wanted, but it was more the flat view thing making browse view wrong for him |
| [23:26:43] | mangus580: | symbolic links fixed me right up |
| [23:27:00] | mangus580: | but.... is there a way to make it scan for changes on a schedule? |
| [23:27:06] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Erm, context? |
| [23:27:16] | wagnerrp: | other channel |
| [23:27:16] | sphery: | yeah, I think wagnerrp saw something we missed |
| [23:27:20] | iamlindoro: | "Umm, word choice??" |
| [23:27:22] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [23:28:04] | mangus580: | hey, you guys arent talking about me in a different room are you???? thats not fair, I wanna laugh too!! ;-) |
| [23:28:40] | wagnerrp: | no, one of the xmltv guys having a problem with the metadata grabber |
| [23:29:21] | mangus580: | :-) |
| [23:29:25] | sphery: | yeah, getting a less-than-ideal choice for his The Mentalist videos |
| [23:29:44] | mangus580: | how does parental control work? |
| [23:29:56] | wagnerrp: | minimally |
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| [23:32:37] | wagnerrp: | seems a mismatch between the TV result... http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=82459&lid=7 ...and... http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/82459 |
| [23:32:43] | wagnerrp: | BIG 'OL NSFW ON THE SECOND LINK |
| [23:33:29] | [R]: | WTF... |
| [23:33:45] | [R]: | they have porn on that site? |
| [23:33:48] | ** iamlindoro just got fired, thanks wagnerrp ** | |
| [23:33:53] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [23:34:06] | wagnerrp: | serves you right for working on a sunday night... from home... |
| [23:34:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: more time to spend on MythTV! |
| [23:34:38] | wagnerrp: | you already told us it was toasty warm under your desk at home because of the new computer |
| [23:35:16] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I got called in! |
| [23:35:50] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: are you saying that I may waste my time with parental control? or just that it needs some major setup? |
| [23:35:59] | wagnerrp: | serves you right for clicking on the link when you already knew the title of the movie |
| [23:35:59] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [23:36:42] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: more that it hardly ever gets used |
| [23:37:09] | wagnerrp: | so not many people actually know how to use it |
| [23:39:01] | mangus580: | gotcha |
| [23:39:10] | mangus580: | I need to use 'something' with 4 boys in the house.... |
| [23:39:14] | mangus580: | so I need to figure it out |
| [23:40:39] | iamlindoro: | The something you're looking for is regular and brutal beatings |
| [23:40:46] | sphery: | hmmm, so when I'm in mythvideo and disable flat view, it shows Movies >, but when I press right, it doesn't go into Movies--I have to press SELECT. Can't wait 'til 0.25, then I can theme it to go into it on RIGHT... Something about <triggerevent context="Global" action="DELETE">RIGHT</triggerevent>, right? |
| [23:40:47] | iamlindoro: | That'll learn 'em |
| [23:40:53] | mangus580: | LOL theres that too iamlindoro |
| [23:42:00] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: what will? the brutal beatings? or the auto-delete on right arrow? |
| [23:42:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: "yes." |
| [23:42:27] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [23:43:39] | ** wagnerrp closes #10277 Invalid: replace stb with cablecard tuner ** | |
| [23:44:14] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Really, though, we have no devs with firewire capture, and it's entirely possible 5C gets toggled on and off in the course of a single program, I'm not sure where we can help him |
| [23:45:00] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: Really, though, i was being halfway serious |
| [23:45:06] | iamlindoro: | For firewire capture, we may need to adopt a strategy of "We can't fix it for you, but we can check patches and apply them" |
| [23:45:12] | wagnerrp: | considering emailing him off-list about such a suggestion |
| [23:45:13] | sphery: | I'm picturing some guy at the cable office toggling the 5C switch for fun |
| [23:45:36] | sphery: | I think we need that policy for a lot more things... |
| [23:45:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: would make for a good Kids in the Hall skit |
| [23:45:40] | mangus580: | so how long will a list of 600 some videos take for metadata to load? |
| [23:45:54] | awalls: | I'm picturing some guy at the cable office toggling the 5C switch for blind troubleshooting |
| [23:45:57] | sphery: | especially the tickets like, "It broke when I tried to play" |
| [23:45:58] | iamlindoro: | load from the database, or to look it up from the metadata source? |
| [23:46:07] | mangus580: | lookup I should say |
| [23:46:16] | iamlindoro: | a number of minutes |
| [23:46:21] | wagnerrp: | are you doing the batch loader? or manually? |
| [23:46:29] | mangus580: | ummm |
| [23:46:34] | mangus580: | Iguess I'm NOT |
| [23:46:36] | mangus580: | ;-) |
| [23:46:41] | mangus580: | I thought it just did it itself over time |
| [23:46:58] | wagnerrp: | if you didnt notice it, there is a batch loader available through the menu |
| [23:46:58] | wagnerrp: | that you can have run automatically after a scan |
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| [23:47:09] | wagnerrp: | manually means the 'w' key |
| [23:47:32] | mangus580: | is the batch loader the 'retrieve all details'? |
| [23:49:16] | wagnerrp: | that sounds right |
| [23:49:27] | mangus580: | ok – so I am using batch loader :-) |
| [23:49:41] | wagnerrp: | note that it will only run once, ever, on any particular video |
| [23:49:55] | wagnerrp: | once it processes a video, it will mark it as such, and skip it on subsequent passes |
| [23:50:01] | mangus580: | gotcha |
| [23:50:06] | mangus580: | will it still update with manual? |
| [23:50:16] | wagnerrp: | you can still run it manually again on an individual video with 'w' |
| [23:50:20] | mangus580: | ok |
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| [23:50:42] | mangus580: | does it run using the frontend cpu? |
| [23:51:07] | iamlindoro: | If you select "Retrieve all Details," it runs on the FE, and runs only so long as you are in the myth video screen |
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| [23:51:11] | wagnerrp: | yes, which also means if you leave mythvideo while it is running, it will terminate |
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| [23:51:24] | corran: | hello |
| [23:51:27] | corran: | again |
| [23:51:47] | mangus580: | ok wagnerrp |
| [23:51:55] | mangus580: | too bad there isnt a backend script for it :-( |
| [23:51:58] | corran: | I'm trying to scan my channels and its saying (failed to open the card) on the Scan Config page |
| [23:51:59] | corran: | ideas? |
| [23:52:58] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: its never really been a high priority, since most people arent going to be adding stuff frequently to it |
| [23:53:10] | wagnerrp: | and those that are just need to spend the couple seconds needed for a scan |
| [23:53:36] | iamlindoro: | and in .25, you could just run mythutil --scanvideos on your BE in cron at some periodic basis |
| [23:53:44] | mangus580: | good point |
| [23:53:50] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25, there is a scanner in the backend, but it still needs to be manually called, and really only exists for those users that dont run the frontend at all, and instead access content through UPNP |
| [23:54:07] | mangus580: | I guess I was thinking about a backend script to scan for new videos & update automatically... on a time schedule or something |
| [23:54:19] | mangus580: | thereby not needing to do it manually |
| [23:54:42] | sphery: | because you go out and buy new DVDs/BluRays, then come home and rip them 2–3 times per day |
| [23:54:45] | sphery: | ? |
| [23:54:52] | mangus580: | yes sphery |
| [23:55:30] | iamlindoro: | nonsense |
| [23:55:53] | mangus580: | well... I keep an offsite backup for several friends too..... |
| [23:55:55] | mangus580: | as they do for me |
| [23:55:56] | wagnerrp: | the idea is that any time content gets added to mythvideo, its either going to be added manually (by ripping physical media), and you will be there to run a scan manually |
| [23:56:15] | wagnerrp: | or will be added by some automated tool like mirobridge, in which case mirobridge would perform the necessary actions to insert the content itself |
| [23:56:31] | stuartm: | is that what they are calling it these days? |
| [23:56:32] | mangus580: | mirobridge? guess I gotta google that one |
| [23:56:39] | stuartm: | 'offsite backup'? |
| [23:56:45] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: ever heard of miro? |
| [23:57:05] | mangus580: | looking it up now |
| [23:57:13] | wagnerrp: | mirobridge is just a middleware utility to import subscribed miro channels into mythtv |
| [23:57:30] | mangus580: | ahh |
| Monday, January 23rd, 2012 | ||
| [00:00:05] | corran: | no one has experience with "Failed to open card"? |
| [00:00:43] | wagnerrp: | corran: it means the card is already open, or you dont have permission to access it |
| [00:00:46] | iamlindoro: | corran: It means your card's drivers are not loaded properly, or your device node has a permissions problem |
| [00:00:52] | awalls: | ls -al /dev/dvb/* |
| [00:00:55] | wagnerrp: | corran: this would be a digital tuner? |
| [00:01:04] | awalls: | /sbin/fuser /dev/dvb/* |
| [00:01:47] | corran: | wagnerrp, yes its a infinitv 4 |
| [00:02:14] | wagnerrp: | corran: then you shouldnt be scanning |
| [00:02:15] | corran: | iamlindoro, drivers have to be installed correctly otherwise it wouldn't let my log into it via ip |
| [00:02:23] | wagnerrp: | in fact, i dont think you can scan |
| [00:02:45] | wagnerrp: | you should be pulling your lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [00:03:02] | corran: | ok. lemme try loading up the frontend to see what happens |
| [00:03:14] | wagnerrp: | that would be... in mythtv-setup |
| [00:03:33] | wagnerrp: | the frontend wont do anything with that card if there are no channels for it to use |
| [00:03:49] | corran: | i already had schedulesdirect setup on it with my login info |
| [00:04:04] | wagnerrp: | did you have it download the channel lineup? |
| [00:04:10] | corran: | yes |
| [00:04:11] | wagnerrp: | if you did, then youre done |
| [00:04:16] | wagnerrp: | no need to scan |
| [00:04:18] | corran: | ok. then hopefully this works |
| [00:04:52] | corran: | running mythfilldatabase now |
| [00:05:25] | ** wagnerrp wonders why his computer has mysteriously lost the ability to drag-and-drop ** | |
| [00:05:30] | mangus580: | can I remove a recording schedule via command line? |
| [00:05:48] | mangus580: | I somehow have something stuck in dad's recording queue |
| [00:05:57] | mangus580: | and only have ssh access without driving over there |
| [00:06:05] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:06:27] | wagnerrp: | i dont know of any command line utilities that support manipulation of recording rules |
| [00:06:33] | mangus580: | cant even remove it from the DB? |
| [00:06:34] | wagnerrp: | you can install mythweb and use any web browser |
| [00:06:44] | stuartm: | you can do it via mysql, messy but as a last resort and with 'at your own risk' attached |
| [00:06:53] | corran: | you can browse the web via command line...so you might be able to do it that way |
| [00:06:56] | wagnerrp: | its not as simple as removing it from the DB |
| [00:07:14] | wagnerrp: | you still have to trigger a rerun of the scheduler |
| [00:07:15] | stuartm: | it is, following by a --resched |
| [00:07:20] | stuartm: | mythbackend --resched |
| [00:07:29] | wagnerrp: | hmm... forgot that was there |
| [00:07:42] | mangus580: | well, if it helps... he doesnt record... he uses his for only live tv right now |
| [00:10:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, we have https://github.com/MythTV-Themes which I created at the same time I created MythTV on github. the idea behind MythTV-Themes was to give non-devs a place for themes in a public shared repo. perfect for theme teams. |
| [00:11:15] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: that would work--assuming we can give permissions on it |
| [00:12:12] | sphery: | didn't know if having a separate repo per theme--to allow the team to manage/add new themers, and to prevent other themers from messing with "their" theme--would be beneficial |
| [00:12:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, people just need accounts and I can easily setup the theme download packaging scripts to pull in the themes under MythTV-Themes |
| [00:12:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | might depend on people's preference. or they might want their own section on github or elsewhere so they can control permissions. |
| [00:13:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | I just created it when I snagged MythTV since we were talking about not distributing themes anymore except the default. |
| [00:16:42] | mangus580: | heh, mythweb via lynx |
| [00:20:49] | mangus580: | that fixed it guys! thanks! |
| [00:20:57] | mangus580: | I wouldnt have thought of lynx without you |
| [00:21:56] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, and some may prefer subversion or something simpler than git, too |
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| [00:34:22] | likwid--_: | mangus580: ssh user@ip -L 80/localhost/80 .. then browse to localhost in your browser. then you get the graphics if you need them. |
| [00:37:11] | mangus580: | can I do that with putty? or do I need to use a linux box for that? |
| [00:38:09] | likwid--_: | ah.it can be don e with putty. but ill let you google how. |
| [00:38:26] | likwid--_: | wont flood this chan with the troubleshooting |
| [00:38:38] | mangus580: | and I am connecting into a remote computer... at a remote location |
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| [01:11:02] | mangus580: | likwid--_: you are a genious |
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| [01:19:04] | sphery: | Wow, Cordelia /and/ Spike are on Supernatural, together |
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| [02:01:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery: The guy in that thread may be yet another CentOS user |
| [02:01:52] | iamlindoro: | Where IIRC the lxml entree error is an indication of CentOS Python problems |
| [02:01:55] | iamlindoro: | er etree |
| [02:02:54] | sphery: | ah, I saw Python 2.6, so I figured it wasn't old centos |
| [02:03:08] | sphery: | though he may have put that on |
| [02:03:09] | iamlindoro: | You are probably right |
| [02:03:26] | iamlindoro: | just throwing it out there if he comes back with "Nuh-uh!" |
| [02:03:30] | sphery: | heh, thanks |
| [02:04:13] | sphery: | kind of bad, though, if packages don't set dependencies for the runtime deps we've specified on our configure scripts |
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| [02:05:54] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: isnt there some application with MNV that does periodic background scans, so you dont have to wait for one to happen in the UI? |
| [02:06:12] | iamlindoro: | mythfillnetvision |
| [02:07:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, someone put in a feature request on the wiki for some kind of status info on where a rebuild is |
| [02:07:37] | wagnerrp: | but with mythfillnetvision, it would seem you should never have to wait for one in the first place? |
| [02:07:44] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [02:08:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you ever take a look at this 'libmythtv-java'? |
| [02:09:13] | sphery: | no |
| [02:09:18] | sphery: | haven't made time to look into it |
| [02:09:49] | mangus580: | so whats the best method of passing recordings/videos to android? (on a local network, say a tablet) |
| [02:10:01] | wagnerrp: | UPNP |
| [02:10:18] | mangus580: | is there a favorite android player? |
| [02:10:32] | wagnerrp: | anything that can do UPNP |
| [02:10:45] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, it really doesnt matter |
| [02:10:56] | sphery: | and that can handle the video you pass it |
| [02:10:57] | wagnerrp: | theyre all going to be hooking into the hardware decoders, rather than decoding in software |
| [02:11:20] | wagnerrp: | so theyre all going to have the same limitations in regards to what video they can and cant play |
| [02:12:15] | sphery: | some thread on -users list gave me the impression that nearly all have no support for MPEG-TS containers, but one did |
| [02:12:17] | mangus580: | I just wasnt sure if one player works better than others |
| [02:12:22] | sphery: | so might be some differences in container support |
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| [02:12:53] | mangus580: | shouldnt windows media player pickup the upnp as well? (I'm not seeing it in mine) |
| [02:13:06] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/496784#496784 |
| [02:13:16] | wagnerrp: | windows media player is.... different... |
| [02:13:44] | sphery: | seems it's more of a Windows-media Player than a Windows Media-Player |
| [02:13:45] | wagnerrp: | theres some special behavior that must be applied for it, which means it can only receive recordings, or videos, but not both |
| [02:13:53] | wagnerrp: | and that assumes youre running Vista or 7 |
| [02:14:04] | mangus580: | ok |
| [02:14:10] | mangus580: | so I am better using something else to test |
| [02:14:25] | sphery: | best bet is using your android to test |
| [02:14:38] | mangus580: | ok – now I just gotta go find a player I like |
| [02:14:56] | sphery: | see thread I linked |
| [02:15:08] | mangus580: | yup |
| [02:15:12] | mangus580: | grabbing vplayer |
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| [02:16:56] | sphery: | oh, and I should say that I don't have android, and I've never used vplayer... just saw that thread :) |
| [02:17:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, my theme packaging script can download themes from git and svn, as well as repackaging tar, zip, and compressed tarballs using gzip, bzip2, and lzma, so it's flexible. :) |
| [02:17:04] | mangus580: | :-) |
| [02:17:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | android 3.x supports ts containers, since it's supposed to support HLS which uses .ts |
| [02:17:30] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: nice... I'll leave it up to those who are willing to help, then :) |
| [02:17:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | I say 'supposed to' since I haven't got HLS working yet on my s |
| [02:18:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/s$/Dell Streak running 3.2/ |
| [02:18:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah, I didn't want to make them package a theme a certain way for me to be able to use it. |
| [02:24:01] | mangus580: | yeah, I dont think upnp is setup properly on my myth backend |
| [02:26:07] | sphery: | ttbomk, it should just work |
| [02:26:31] | sphery: | but may require multicast packets to be allowed on your network |
| [02:26:39] | sphery: | and not blocked by firewalls |
| [02:27:35] | mangus580: | well vplayer didnt seem upnp compliant? but I found another player that has it, and it listed 2 of my windows machines upnp services, but not myth |
| [02:27:47] | mangus580: | I will mess with it more when I can dig in teh backend if i need to |
| [02:28:09] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: is your mythtv system all on a single machine? |
| [02:28:21] | wagnerrp: | frontend and backend on the same computer? |
| [02:28:45] | mangus580: | no – its not |
| [02:28:58] | wagnerrp: | just checking |
| [02:29:26] | wagnerrp: | many people are configured that way, and configure their backend to listen on 127.0.0.1 |
| [02:29:32] | wagnerrp: | which in turn disables the UPNP server |
| [02:30:09] | mangus580: | it was originally config'd with 127.0.0.1.... do I have to manually turn upnp back on? |
| [02:30:39] | wagnerrp: | its decided automatically when mythbackend starts |
| [02:30:50] | wagnerrp: | if the listed address is 127...., upnp is turned off |
| [02:31:09] | wagnerrp: | if its anything else, upnp still may be turned off, depending on the command line flag (--noupnp) |
| [02:32:08] | mangus580: | k |
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| [02:41:09] | smoothifier: | mythfilldatabase is doing a core dump and i'm not sure why. i think there was an mysql update yesterday. is there a good way for me to troubleshoot what the problem might be? |
| [02:41:29] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: is there a command I can use that will tell me if UPNP is running? |
| [02:42:23] | wagnerrp: | lsof | grep 1900 |
| [02:43:28] | smoothifier: | hmm i can't get any output at all from the binary. i can't even get it to display the --help |
| [02:45:06] | justdave: | if I have more than one optical drive on my system, is there a way to tell mythtv which one to use in the config somewhere? It keeps prompting me to pick one every time the box reboots |
| [02:45:44] | wagnerrp: | i believe that is mythmusic popping up |
| [02:47:12] | smoothifier: | kernel: [ 995.977533] mythfilldatabas[2699]: segfault at c3b0e315 ip 410e1db4 sp bf956be0 error 7 in ld-2.14.90.so[410d5000+21000] |
| [02:47:32] | justdave: | ok, adding the unwanted one to "ignore devices" in the Media Monitor section got rid of the prompt |
| [02:47:43] | sphery: | smoothifier: we'd need a http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging backtrace |
| [02:48:00] | smoothifier: | ok... i'll give it a shot. thanks |
| [02:48:00] | sphery: | though I'm thinking you got a mythtv update and it didn't install right so you have mixed libraries or something |
| [02:48:20] | smoothifier: | i didn't see one but i might have missed it |
| [02:48:22] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: I get "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-dameon file system /home/admin.gvfs Output information may be incomplete. |
| [02:48:33] | justdave: | although I don't know that it needs to use only one... seems like it could still monitor every drive and use whichever one a disc shows up in |
| [02:48:55] | sphery: | the monitoring we have is garbage |
| [02:49:17] | sphery: | it needs to be replaced with a udev/dbus approach--just like is used by distros |
| [02:49:37] | sphery: | er, by desktop environments |
| [02:50:03] | wagnerrp: | the monitoring we have is to manually poll those devices twice a second to see if they are mounted |
| [02:50:03] | wagnerrp: | (i.e. garbage) |
| [02:50:04] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:50:21] | sphery: | in other words, we'd love a patch that does it right, justdave :) |
| [02:50:36] | sphery: | and done right, it would work with any/all drives |
| [02:50:43] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: I do see at the bottom of the UUPnP a note about storage groups and must configure a frontend on your master backend, even if you arent using a frontend on it? |
| [02:51:03] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [02:51:17] | sphery: | (note, though, that right has only become possible since the current stuff was written--meaning back when the media monitor was created, we didn't have an option other than the garbage approach we used) |
| [02:51:20] | mangus580: | 0.24 |
| [02:51:50] | RagingMind: | is mythtv ipv4 only? |
| [02:51:56] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25, the upnp server now shares the same database tables as the video library |
| [02:52:16] | wagnerrp: | while in 0.24, it would perform its own periodic scan of the old-style local folder definitions |
| [02:52:20] | sphery: | mangus580: must configure a frontend on a system that has access to the file system on which the recordings/videos you want available through UPnP are available |
| [02:52:27] | sphery: | i.e. could do NFS/CIFS, too |
| [02:52:39] | mangus580: | ok |
| [02:52:39] | wagnerrp: | those local folder definitions are configured from the MythVideo setup on the frontend, and are per-host |
| [02:52:52] | wagnerrp: | meaning they must be configured by a frontend running on the same host as the backedn |
| [02:53:12] | smoothifier: | sphery: ok, i ran that script and the output is http://pastebin.com/cFy1A4Dd |
| [02:53:20] | wagnerrp: | there is no difference in how recordings or music is handled between the two versions |
| [02:53:47] | sphery: | smoothifier: that means your libc is toast |
| [02:53:53] | sphery: | i.e. the basis of your system |
| [02:54:10] | smoothifier: | ok i have an old hard drive |
| [02:54:20] | smoothifier: | all i have done is run the daily updates |
| [02:54:22] | sphery: | (well, actually, your dynamic library loader, but...) |
| [02:54:33] | smoothifier: | what do you suggest? |
| [02:54:47] | sphery: | back up your database |
| [02:54:57] | smoothifier: | will do |
| [02:55:00] | sphery: | and copy the back up elsewhere |
| [02:55:09] | smoothifier: | right |
| [02:55:15] | sphery: | then, you may be in for a re-install of your distro or something |
| [02:55:21] | smoothifier: | holy cow |
| [02:55:24] | sphery: | that's extremely low levell it's failing at |
| [02:55:32] | smoothifier: | i'm starting to suspect it's hardware |
| [02:55:38] | sphery: | could be |
| [02:55:44] | sphery: | memory or cpu issues could cause this |
| [02:55:50] | justdave: | yeah, would love to patch that, but I'm not much of a C coder |
| [02:55:57] | sphery: | (or corrupt files/data from HDD) |
| [02:55:57] | smoothifier: | hmm so i need to test those somehow |
| [02:56:06] | justdave: | I mostly do perl and bash :) (and once in a while a little php when forced to) |
| [02:56:10] | sphery: | likely |
| [02:56:23] | smoothifier: | memory i could do overnight |
| [02:56:23] | wagnerrp: | justdave: many people would, theres just so much other stuff on the todo list |
| [02:56:32] | sphery: | justdave: if you've done perl and bash, it means you could learn :) |
| [02:57:25] | smoothifier: | sphery: i suspect the hard drive. what's a good way to test it in linux? i've never done that before. smartctl shows no errors |
| [02:57:31] | justdave: | yep, but then there's that pesky thing called time that needs to be found |
| [02:57:32] | sphery: | smoothifier: out of curiosity... you have a 32-bit install, right? |
| [02:57:36] | smoothifier: | yes |
| [02:57:42] | sphery: | and the whole system is 32-bit? |
| [02:57:46] | smoothifier: | yep |
| [02:57:50] | sphery: | i.e. not a multilib 32/64 bit |
| [02:57:51] | sphery: | ok |
| [02:58:00] | wagnerrp: | and the hardware is 32-bit? |
| [02:58:01] | smoothifier: | it's from 2005, 686 |
| [02:58:10] | smoothifier: | it's really time to put it to sleep |
| [02:58:11] | smoothifier: | haha |
| [02:58:13] | wagnerrp: | upgrade... :P |
| [02:58:18] | sphery: | just making sure it's not a mixed up install |
| [02:58:31] | sphery: | yeah, that's probably the best fix for this |
| [02:58:40] | sphery: | and it will save you a lot of time--and likely money |
| [02:58:52] | smoothifier: | well.. i have a spare hard drive i could throw in there |
| [02:59:07] | smoothifier: | and copious installation notes |
| [02:59:20] | smoothifier: | but i really should just bite the bullet |
| [02:59:34] | smoothifier: | it doesn't get heavy use so it hasn't been an issue |
| [02:59:44] | sphery: | I had an Athlon XP (32-bit) system I was upgrading to a 64-bit system... needed another mythbackend system, so rather than buy a new 64-bit system, I decided to roll the 32-bit Athlon XP down to become the new remote backend |
| [03:00:08] | smoothifier: | i have an XP in the closet |
| [03:01:28] | sphery: | within the next year /every/ single part of that computer system except the CPU and the case broke and needed replacing (chipset HS/fan, CPU HS/fan, motherboard, RAM, PSU). Because the parts were old tech, I actually ended up spending >2x as much as it would have cost me to just get a new 64-bit system in the first place |
| [03:01:45] | smoothifier: | yeah, old tech is expensive |
| [03:01:50] | sphery: | oh, and FWIW, the CPU technically /did/ fail, but I didn't actually replace it |
| [03:01:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: mythfilldatabase will automatically match ATSC channels with callsigns as best it can |
| [03:02:01] | wagnerrp: | is that done the same for XMLTV? |
| [03:02:13] | sphery: | was getting MCE's for about 3yrs on it, but never saw any issues due to them |
| [03:02:19] | wagnerrp: | or does XMLTV not contain the necessary fields? |
| [03:02:29] | smoothifier: | i have a damn pci 9500 GT video card. it's really idiotic. i dropped close to 90 bucks on that card |
| [03:02:30] | sphery: | and, FWIW, I just replaced that system about 6months ago |
| [03:02:56] | sphery: | didn't get close to my money's worth out of it, even after running it for 4 yrs extra after rolling it down |
| [03:03:09] | smoothifier: | well, you're right |
| [03:03:19] | smoothifier: | it is on its last legs |
| [03:03:25] | smoothifier: | mine is, anyeay |
| [03:03:34] | smoothifier: | i keep on feeding it but it's getting silly now |
| [03:03:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ttbomk, mfdb uses a combination of callsign and channel numbers for both |
| [03:03:48] | sphery: | combination meaning will look at both/either |
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| [03:12:58] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: sphery: that fixed it |
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| [03:14:14] | sphery: | yay, enjoy |
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| [03:41:42] | smoothifier: | sphery: thanks for you help. i think i'll move my current desktop to the backend and upgrade my desktop. The desktop can definitely handle what i'll throw at it mythbackend-wise and I'll be able to flesh the system out. |
| [03:42:10] | smoothifier: | see you guys sooner than later :) |
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| [03:42:57] | iamlindoro: | That sounded like a threat ;) |
| [03:43:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Heh, I knew you would respond to that thread-- I prevented myself from answering knowing that whatever came out would be too truthful to make anyone happy |
| [03:44:08] | wagnerrp: | i actually responded about an hour ago |
| [03:44:21] | wagnerrp: | but thunderbird botched it and used my mythtv.org address |
| [03:44:27] | wagnerrp: | so it got rejected by mailman |
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| [03:46:42] | iamlindoro: | Is it bad that I just plain don't want to help Brian M any further with his broken seektables |
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| [03:53:08] | helptranscode: | can someone walk me through the transcode problem I've been having with the transcode_stub.py script? |
| [03:53:44] | helptranscode: | It's the "Local access to recording not found." error |
| [03:54:34] | wagnerrp: | seems fairly explanatory to me |
| [03:55:18] | helptranscode: | I know, but since it doesn't work for me I need help troubleshooting |
| [03:55:45] | wagnerrp: | local access not found... it cant find the recording on your local filesystem |
| [03:56:05] | helptranscode: | Ok, Im working on my masterbackend, which has the recording |
| [03:56:11] | wagnerrp: | i.e. youre trying to run this on a machine other than that which performed the original recording |
| [03:56:17] | wagnerrp: | and you havent set up NFS access otherwise |
| [03:56:29] | helptranscode: | The masterbackend is the only one with tuners |
| [03:56:44] | wagnerrp: | are you tuning this manually, or through the jobqueue? |
| [03:56:54] | helptranscode: | manually with the command line |
| [03:57:03] | wagnerrp: | s/tuning/running/ |
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| [03:57:33] | wagnerrp: | does the user youre running as have read and write access to the recording paths? |
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| [03:57:51] | helptranscode: | Yes, I tried it with the following command: |
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| [03:58:02] | helptranscode: | pkexec --user mythtv x264trans.py --chanid 1472 --starttime 20120122083000 |
| [03:58:06] | mangus580: | getting some slight tearing on my new frontend I built.... its on an IBM T30 laptop, latest version of mythbuntu |
| [03:58:14] | mangus580: | any simple things I can look into? |
| [03:58:49] | helptranscode: | So I am running x264trans.py as the user mythtv |
| [03:59:27] | wagnerrp: | is this 0.24 or recent 0.25? |
| [03:59:35] | helptranscode: | the recording is 1472_20120122083000, located in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [03:59:39] | helptranscode: | 0.24.1 |
| [03:59:53] | helptranscode: | lemem do a version check |
| [03:59:59] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: so shouldnt be any UTC issues |
| [04:00:12] | iamlindoro: | right |
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| [04:02:07] | helptranscode: | how do i check the version from the command line? |
| [04:02:15] | sphery: | --version |
| [04:02:19] | wagnerrp: | dont worry about it |
| [04:02:39] | helptranscode: | fixes 0.24 |
| [04:02:43] | helptranscode: | from mythbuntu |
| [04:03:47] | helptranscode: | v0.24.1-80-g1de0431 |
| [04:05:11] | wagnerrp: | could you run this and pastebin the output? http://pastebin.com/LZE8mmck |
| [04:05:32] | helptranscode: | okie |
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| [04:09:11] | helptranscode: | <Recorded 'The Cat in the Hat Knows a Lot About That!','2012-01–22 08:30:00' at 0xb780b14cL> 1472_20120122083000.mpg Default <StorageGroup 'myth://Default@mybe/var/lib/mythtv/recordings' at 0xa2d353c |
| [04:10:09] | wagnerrp: | not pastebin... but close enough |
| [04:10:21] | helptranscode: | I'm new to that too |
| [04:10:53] | wagnerrp: | if youve got multiple lines to paste, you use a pastebin (like that link i sent you) |
| [04:12:49] | wagnerrp: | oh! funky |
| [04:13:14] | mangus580: | got kids helptranscode? |
| [04:13:24] | helptranscode: | yeah |
| [04:13:24] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro and sphery: you still around? |
| [04:13:35] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:13:38] | helptranscode: | thats why im transcoding, so the gigantic files are portable |
| [04:13:40] | mangus580: | I could tell ;-) |
| [04:13:52] | wagnerrp: | check your storage groups, do they all end with a '/'/ |
| [04:14:14] | sphery: | me? they should |
| [04:14:25] | helptranscode: | Ok hang on |
| [04:14:25] | sphery: | since the storage group editor puts one in |
| [04:14:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they should |
| [04:14:38] | sphery: | only way you can have them without a / at the end is by poking the DB directly |
| [04:14:47] | sphery: | i.e. "I know SQL, so it's safe" |
| [04:14:49] | wagnerrp: | so i dont ensure there is one when i append the basename to the storage group path |
| [04:15:15] | wagnerrp: | but looking through, my DBBackups group does not |
| [04:15:22] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall adding that one manually |
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| [04:15:39] | sphery: | perhaps edited it to test something? |
| [04:15:46] | wagnerrp: | perhaps |
| [04:15:49] | helptranscode: | my default storage group is /var/lib/mythv/recordings, without a final / |
| [04:15:59] | sphery: | all mine do |
| [04:16:34] | sphery: | and all on another user's system do |
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| [04:16:38] | iamlindoro: | yeah, the editor has always added a / for as long as I can remember |
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| [04:17:02] | helptranscode: | thats funny, the only storage group WITHOUT a final / is the default one for recordings |
| [04:17:09] | sphery: | we may have a lot of code in mythtv that just puts the / on there--makes it easier to read the code sometimes |
| [04:17:29] | sphery: | but I don't think we guarantee that we'll put an extra / on |
| [04:17:38] | wagnerrp: | then its probably a mythbuntu thing |
| [04:17:45] | wagnerrp: | we dont have a "default" one |
| [04:17:46] | helptranscode: | Should I add the final / ? |
| [04:17:55] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu adds a default one |
| [04:18:04] | wagnerrp: | potentially through manual database tinkering |
| [04:18:29] | sphery: | (lot of code that does a QString filepath("%1/%2").arg(sgdir).arg(filename); kind of thing, that is |
| [04:20:24] | sphery: | if they are adding an SG dir without an end /, we should get them to fix it |
| [04:20:41] | wagnerrp: | i should have put a forward slash in there two years ago, i was just being lazy |
| [04:21:14] | helptranscode: | Is there any plan to add options for EIT crawling in 0.25? |
| [04:21:58] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: what hardware do you have in that T30? |
| [04:22:26] | wagnerrp: | im guessing a low end P4, or maybe an early Centrino |
| [04:22:31] | wagnerrp: | which some pretty ancient mobile graphics |
| [04:22:56] | wagnerrp: | what kind of options? |
| [04:23:20] | helptranscode: | Well, I understand the importance of updating EIT for last minute schedule changes |
| [04:23:24] | wagnerrp: | unless youre looking to schedule when it happens, on or off is really the only thing you could configure |
| [04:23:34] | helptranscode: | but I'd leave it up to the user if they want to continously check |
| [04:23:50] | helptranscode: | My issue is not the continously checking, it is the continuously log-writing |
| [04:24:04] | helptranscode: | that makes my disk – i/o continously writing |
| [04:24:19] | wagnerrp: | you look like youre in virginia, verizon fios |
| [04:24:59] | wagnerrp: | on digital cable, there is no EIT to speak of |
| [04:25:08] | helptranscode: | Yeah, this is my current work around |
| [04:25:14] | wagnerrp: | since youre supposed to be using a cable box, that would receive such data out-of-band |
| [04:25:17] | helptranscode: | I was using ATSC for a while |
| [04:25:22] | helptranscode: | with an HDHR |
| [04:25:28] | wagnerrp: | on digital broadcast, its garbage in the US anyhow |
| [04:25:37] | helptranscode: | Better than no guide though |
| [04:25:40] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: I really dont know – is there a command that will tell me? |
| [04:25:57] | wagnerrp: | youre lucky to even get more than a day of generic data |
| [04:26:10] | helptranscode: | mangus580, why dont you try the SLIM profile under Setup->TV->Playback |
| [04:26:11] | wagnerrp: | but a station actually updating its EIT data for last minute changes, its unheard of |
| [04:26:17] | helptranscode: | I get about 2 days worth |
| [04:26:18] | wagnerrp: | no one in the US should be running EIT |
| [04:26:34] | wagnerrp: | (or canada, or any other ATSC location) |
| [04:26:42] | helptranscode: | But why the continously log-writing even when I tell mythv to turn off all logs? |
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| [04:27:11] | ertyu: | is it common for channels to not even provide EIT? |
| [04:27:12] | wagnerrp: | perhaps its logging from ffmpeg stuff, outside of mythtv's logging system |
| [04:27:13] | helptranscode: | I believe the only way to stop the continous writing was to force the mythbackend.log into /dev/null |
| [04:27:26] | iamlindoro: | ertyu: in North America, extremely common |
| [04:27:41] | wagnerrp: | ertyu: stations are required to provide 12 hours of data |
| [04:27:46] | wagnerrp: | most provide no more than that |
| [04:27:52] | iamlindoro: | *broadcast* stations, that is |
| [04:28:05] | wagnerrp: | and some may just provide the current show, backfilled with another 11 hours of junk |
| [04:28:09] | iamlindoro: | the cable provider is free to re-encode, strip that info, and not provide any info at all |
| [04:28:10] | ertyu: | hmm, of the 4 I receive, I only get EIT data on one...(canada) |
| [04:28:35] | wagnerrp: | well, canada many not actually require any |
| [04:28:55] | wagnerrp: | helptranscode: in any case, EIT sucks, and there are no worthwhile free guide data sources in north america |
| [04:29:07] | helptranscode: | my main issue was that its the only legal free way to get a program guide in the US. The alternative is MC2XML whose legality I am uncertain of |
| [04:29:16] | wagnerrp: | which is why mythtv, and several other open source television applications creates schedules direct, to license the data directly from tribune |
| [04:29:27] | wagnerrp: | no, its very certain to be illegal |
| [04:29:38] | helptranscode: | thought so |
| [04:30:14] | ertyu: | SD is pretty darn cheap |
| [04:30:18] | helptranscode: | I have schedules direct because you need it for FiOS TV |
| [04:30:41] | wagnerrp: | if you already have an SD account, why arent you using it? |
| [04:30:41] | helptranscode: | not cheaper than free |
| [04:30:57] | helptranscode: | I am, but I am going to let it all lapse when it expires |
| [04:31:06] | helptranscode: | and turn off cable, go back to an antenna |
| [04:31:25] | helptranscode: | I just want an option to prevent the disk-thrashing due to EIT |
| [04:32:18] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i doubt any developer has even tried using the ATSC EIT code in several years |
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| [04:32:41] | mangus580: | helptranscode: the slim profile is only available for tv playback, not in mythvideo |
| [04:33:03] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: no, the slim profile is for the video player |
| [04:33:09] | wagnerrp: | which is used for both tv recordings and mythvideo |
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| [04:34:37] | sphery: | helptranscode: there are plans to make eit grabbing smarter |
| [04:34:57] | iamlindoro: | Well, "plans" might be a bit extreme |
| [04:35:04] | sphery: | helptranscode: in the meantime, if you want to save your system from writing out eit log messages, just use a filter on the logging |
| [04:35:04] | wagnerrp: | well... for the benefit of DVB users |
| [04:35:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont think there is much concern for ATSC EIT users |
| [04:35:37] | sphery: | ok, "plans" meaning "if we do anything, we'll fix it to do the right thing automatically rather than add more options" |
| [04:35:41] | iamlindoro: | Those "plans" were made by a dev no longer with us, and were expressed on a ticket which is closed IIRC |
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| [04:35:51] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: where do I set it then? |
| [04:35:59] | wagnerrp: | janne? |
| [04:36:03] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:36:25] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: frontend playback settings |
| [04:36:29] | sphery: | Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen |
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| [04:36:53] | helptranscode: | Give it time guys, the US economy isn't getting any better, the longer this goes on, the more people will be reducing cellphone plans, cable tv, etc. More and more people are going to be looking for free alternatives |
| [04:37:07] | helptranscode: | And TV antennas, homemade ones at that |
| [04:37:09] | iamlindoro: | There are none which are legal |
| [04:37:30] | wagnerrp: | well EIT is certainly legal |
| [04:37:36] | wagnerrp: | just of very little worth |
| [04:37:48] | iamlindoro: | But won't suddenly become worthwhile |
| [04:37:50] | sphery: | yeah, there are none useful EIT in the US |
| [04:38:06] | helptranscode: | NYC stations all give out 3 days worth |
| [04:38:10] | sphery: | and no legal alternatives other than Schedules Direct |
| [04:38:35] | sphery: | and if /anyone/ is thinking that $25/yr is too much to spend on listings data for their DVR, they shouldn't be wasting money on a DVR at all |
| [04:38:49] | sphery: | MythTV is Free. It's /not/ free. |
| [04:39:00] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the "unwritten down side" where if Schedules Direct expires, so too does MythTV's forward motion, most likely |
| [04:39:08] | sphery: | yep |
| [04:39:09] | mangus580: | thanks guys, I will see if that works |
| [04:39:33] | sphery: | so we really need US MythTV users to support the one thing that makes using MythTV in the US worthwhile |
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| [04:39:47] | iamlindoro: | Which in turn makes it worthwhile for we devs to keep working on it |
| [04:39:53] | iamlindoro: | which in turn keeps the project alive |
| [04:40:00] | sphery: | yep |
| [04:40:25] | ** ertyu remembers the old days when xmltv was based on screen grabbing ** | |
| [04:40:32] | sphery: | I watched a horror movie in which Schedules Direct had to shut down. |
| [04:40:38] | sphery: | scariest movie I've ever seen... |
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| [04:40:50] | ** wagnerrp never remembers those old days ** | |
| [04:40:58] | helptranscode: | The alternative would be what? titantv scrapers? |
| [04:41:03] | sphery: | ertyu: based on screen grabbing and violation of site Terms of Service |
| [04:41:04] | wagnerrp: | zap2it was already around by the time i started using mythtv |
| [04:41:07] | helptranscode: | that would get broken once per day? |
| [04:41:22] | sphery: | it should get broken once per day |
| [04:41:27] | sphery: | at minimum |
| [04:41:35] | sphery: | since it's a complete violation of their ToS |
| [04:42:33] | helptranscode: | ok, sorry for that tangent on EIT, ill look into the log filter |
| [04:42:53] | helptranscode: | so should I just add the / to the default profile storage group? |
| [04:43:27] | wagnerrp: | that would be the fastest solution |
| [04:43:32] | helptranscode: | okie |
| [04:43:38] | sphery: | helptranscode: filter could be as simple as: mythbackend -d 2>&1 | grep -v 'some EIT message to exclude' > /var/log/mythbackend.log |
| [04:44:10] | k-man: | for the last few days, i've been having problems with mythfilldatabase and tv_grab_au (the shepherd version). it keeps giving an error about tv_grab_au --capabilities failed or we timed |
| [04:44:14] | k-man: | out waiting. You may need to upgrade your xmltv grabber" |
| [04:44:23] | sphery: | or could be better with something like a sed -u or perl with buffering disabled so it writes out whatever it gets when it gets it |
| [04:44:28] | sphery: | helptranscode: ^^^ |
| [04:44:44] | k-man: | full output is here: http://pastie.org/3235004 any ideas where I should start looking to work out whats going wrong? |
| [04:44:50] | sphery: | and I think there are actually programs that can do filtering of logs |
| [04:44:58] | sphery: | i.e. designed for it |
| [04:45:32] | helptranscode: | thank you sphery! |
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| [04:56:59] | k-man: | sphery, you work on the mythtv db don't you? |
| [04:57:22] | sphery: | I do some stuff with it |
| [04:57:26] | sphery: | what's up? |
| [04:58:42] | k-man: | well, ages ago I was pestering you guys about putting support for original language and subtitle language of recordings into the DB.. the answer at the time was maybe, after the refactoring of the db – so I was just wondering how the refactoring was goign? |
| [04:59:06] | wagnerrp: | pretty much on hold until 0.25 |
| [04:59:12] | k-man: | ah ok |
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| [04:59:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:59:24] | brtb: | hello all... got a weird issue with my backend server. 4 pvr150's; 3 of them tuner type 50 and one tuner 43. over the past week, all the tuner50 cards started to have garbled picture. |
| [04:59:34] | k-man: | hows .25 coming along? |
| [04:59:46] | wagnerrp: | finally planned |
| [04:59:47] | sphery: | brtb: kernel update? |
| [04:59:53] | sphery: | (that broke it?) |
| [05:00:08] | brtb: | don't think so? try not to update that box |
| [05:00:10] | k-man: | wagnerrp, there is a planned release? |
| [05:00:15] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:00:23] | k-man: | cool! thats exciting |
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| [05:01:30] | brtb: | all 4 are fed from the same signal source so that's not it... s-video input on the 'broken' cards works so it's something specific to the tuner |
| [05:02:59] | brtb: | just checked, no kernel change |
| [05:03:11] | iamlindoro: | Someone needs to start helping Brian Murrell out on the users list, he's opening invalid bugs when he doesn't get a response within hours |
| [05:03:13] | brtb: | been on 2.6.32-21-generic-pae (ubunto 10.04lts) for a very long time now |
| [05:04:28] | k-man: | dare I ask if a date was planned with the .25 release plan? |
| [05:04:40] | wagnerrp: | thats the meaning of a plan |
| [05:04:49] | k-man: | ah ok |
| [05:04:51] | wagnerrp: | eeew... PAE |
| [05:04:56] | k-man: | so? what date? |
| [05:05:02] | wagnerrp: | april first |
| [05:05:08] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [05:05:10] | ertyu: | :) |
| [05:05:17] | iamlindoro: | let's just say roughly early April |
| [05:05:21] | iamlindoro: | and that's being optimistic |
| [05:05:23] | brtb: | hmm... actually not sure why it's PAE... might have started out as an ubuntu server install? |
| [05:05:24] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [05:05:39] | iamlindoro: | Will likely slip later, but that's the generally discussed but not yet formalized idea |
| [05:06:00] | brtb: | only have 2gb ram, not like it needs it... but it's been working like that until now |
| [05:06:02] | wagnerrp: | actually, it was decided claiming an april first release, and missing it, would go over poorly with the community |
| [05:06:12] | ** iamlindoro doesn't like the idea of sharing release targets with users, since they only lead to irritation, disappointment, and annoyance ** | |
| [05:06:18] | wagnerrp: | so its officially april second |
| [05:06:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: yeah, but the cats out of the bag... stua rtm put it up on the release notes this morning |
| [05:07:05] | iamlindoro: | ugh |
| [05:07:38] | iamlindoro: | Well that's silly, since that's not the purpose of that table at all |
| [05:07:43] | iamlindoro: | that table reflects facts, not plans |
| [05:10:01] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: its worth noting that those experimental speedups have been removed from current ffmpeg |
| [05:10:30] | iamlindoro: | Yes, but I can't recall if they've also been removed from libav, which seems the more likely candidate for our next sync |
| [05:10:36] | iamlindoro: | I'd need to go check |
| [05:13:54] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo and wagnerrp: Just for consensus since I believe you both use master in production-- commflagging working fine for you, seek tables working fine, etc? Works fine here, just looking for multiple people to agree that Brian has a DB issue |
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| [05:19:52] | wagnerrp: | dont know off hand, havent used the actual frontend in several weeks |
| [05:20:22] | iamlindoro: | Well, works fine for me, which is good enough for me ;) |
| [05:21:21] | iamlindoro: | 100% of my recordings are currently digital, with good commflagging and skipping-- not to mention Brian's issue is the classic corrupted DB symptoms |
| [05:22:21] | wagnerrp: | most seem reasonable, 6–8 blocks per hour |
| [05:22:52] | helptranscode: | seems like that missing / was the problem |
| [05:22:54] | helptranscode: | thanks guys |
| [05:26:25] | Beirdo: | last time I checked the results, it was working fine here |
| [05:26:42] | Beirdo: | that was maybe a week ago |
| [05:26:48] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, it's fine |
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| [05:33:37] | wagnerrp: | hehe... whoops! |
| [05:33:57] | wagnerrp: | you can tell no one is using some feature |
| [05:34:06] | wagnerrp: | when a year after you write it, you go to use it, only to find it broken |
| [05:34:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:35:30] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that happens at my work all the time |
| [05:35:35] | helptranscode: | of course.... theres always more |
| [05:35:37] | [R]: | except its more like 5 years |
| [05:35:39] | helptranscode: | got a different bug |
| [05:35:43] | iamlindoro: | I wrote something into the Services API and it's been broken since day one if you try to use it on the master backend |
| [05:35:49] | helptranscode: | well not a bug, a different error on my part |
| [05:35:53] | iamlindoro: | I keep meaning to fix it, but it's not easy |
| [05:37:05] | helptranscode: | Can someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/pvH9DZb0 and see where i went wrong in line 43? |
| [05:38:03] | helptranscode: | Its where i setup the commands to run HandBrakeCLI in the script. the actually command I need is HandBrakeCLI -i inputfile -o outputfile -f m4v -2 --preset="iPhone" |
| [05:38:32] | wagnerrp: | why are you adding a % to the end of the input and output file names? |
| [05:38:46] | helptranscode: | because i am a booger eatin moron |
| [05:38:52] | helptranscode: | i have no idea how python works |
| [05:39:16] | wagnerrp: | use the syntax directly above |
| [05:39:37] | wagnerrp: | its the standard string substitution format in python |
| [05:39:48] | helptranscode: | ok ill try it |
| [05:41:00] | helptranscode: | sorry... the syntax directly above is the same? |
| [05:41:06] | helptranscode: | % infile ? |
| [05:41:50] | wagnerrp: | you have '-i "%s%"' % infile |
| [05:41:53] | wagnerrp: | get rid of that middle % |
| [05:41:56] | k-man: | iamlindoro, ok thanks |
| [05:41:58] | wagnerrp: | '-i "%s"' % infile |
| [05:42:09] | helptranscode: | ahhhhh |
| [05:42:09] | ** iamlindoro wonders what he did ** | |
| [05:44:40] | helptranscode: | the script is officially running |
| [05:45:27] | helptranscode: | i'm going to sleep, thank you again wagnerrp! |
| [05:46:32] | Beirdo: | oh why oh why do I bother trying to get "friends" on facebook to actually think about what they post? |
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| [05:47:56] | k-man: | Beirdo, you've got an uphill battle on your hands there ;) |
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| [05:57:13] | Beirdo: | k-man: tell me about it |
| [05:57:48] | Beirdo: | especially when it's a 20ish year old who thinks he knows everything, but refuses to even take one step back to see how stupid his comments really are. |
| [05:58:55] | k-man: | yeah right – kids these days |
| [06:06:25] | Beirdo: | That's OK, I just unfriended and blocked him |
| [06:06:28] | Beirdo: | idiot |
| [06:09:56] | k-man: | hehe |
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| [06:18:27] | wagnerrp: | trendlines are so much fun.... (xkcd) |
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| [06:24:19] | Beirdo: | you guys know of any workflow management tools (computerized, of course) for creating new process/workflows at work? |
| [06:24:51] | [R]: | sounds like bs work |
| [06:24:59] | Beirdo: | um, no |
| [06:26:41] | Beirdo: | I have to redo about 1000–2000 monitors in our monitoring setup, and add hundreds more |
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| [06:27:07] | Beirdo: | I want to have an actual process people need to follow so we don't miss useful things like documentation and code reading |
| [06:27:40] | ** [R] scoffs at processes ** | |
| [06:27:42] | [R]: | scoff scoff scoff |
| [06:27:58] | Beirdo: | well, I'll be sure we never hire you then :) |
| [06:28:06] | [R]: | lol |
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| [06:34:22] | Beirdo: | !trout [R] |
| [06:34:22] | ** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
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| [09:51:32] | jya: | I bought a few cartoons DVD, wanted to rip them so I can easily and quickly watch them whenever the kids ask for it.. As they can watch 50 times the same cartoon... |
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| [12:47:58] | helptranscode: | Hey all, still having problems with the transcode_stub.py....... it does begin to transcode and it takes a while, but apparently it does not modify the file and does not update the database and no error is kicked out |
| [12:55:51] | helptranscode: | Ok I see the problem..... If I run the transcode_stub.py script from the command line as user mythtv, it works perfectly, however I ran it from mythweb as a userjob through mythweb, it created a phantom job that never ends. How do I kill a userjob that is inprocess? |
| [12:56:21] | helptranscode: | The user job from last night, started via mythweb is still running, according to mythweb |
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| [15:13:42] | akston_: | I need some help with my bug report ... http://pastebin.com/vuWr3afn |
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| [15:15:00] | wagnerrp: | akston_: the UPNP stuff is only used to discover the backend, which is in turn used to discover the database, which is in turn stored in a file and used for every subsequent run to connect to the rest of the system |
| [15:15:05] | wagnerrp: | that means, you should only ever use UPNP detection once |
| [15:15:28] | wagnerrp: | after which, mythtv populates ~/.mythtv/config.xml and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [15:15:48] | akston_: | Doesn't appear to work that way for me |
| [15:15:54] | wagnerrp: | according to your logs, mythtv found those successfully, tried to use them, and failed to connect to the database using the stored credentials |
| [15:16:11] | wagnerrp: | which means, something overwrote those files with bad information |
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| [15:16:52] | akston_: | I can go downstairs right now and try to launch mythtv and it will bring up the screen with the countries... then I come back upstirs, run gupnp and back downstairs and it's working o_O |
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| [15:17:25] | wagnerrp: | akston_: when it brings up that page, do you fill out the relevant information? |
| [15:17:30] | wagnerrp: | i.e. how to access your database |
| [15:18:25] | akston_: | I've been using it for months, yeah. The uPNP detection goes up or down for some reason... usually after an update but like I said in the bug, flipping my VPN will knock it off too |
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| [15:18:57] | wagnerrp: | if you do, then that information gets stored, and mythtv never gets to the point where it even tries UPNP detection |
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| [15:19:20] | wagnerrp: | do you have frontend logs from the second time you ran it? where mythfrontend starts fine? |
| [15:19:29] | stuartm: | can anyone suggest an rss feed which still includes a video url? I need to test video playback from mythnews but I can't actually find a feed to test |
| [15:19:55] | akston_: | I could send you logs for both states. I would have to create them though |
| [15:20:21] | wagnerrp: | akston_: hang on a second |
| [15:21:07] | sbts-tv: | hi all, have just moved videos onto backend storage groups, but frontend can't see them, even after doing a rescan. any thoughts? |
| [15:21:52] | akston_: | wagnerrp: Yeah pick the bug with the wording you like best and I'll get the logs in there today |
| [15:22:06] | wagnerrp: | sbts-tv: your videos are in a path accessible from the backend's filesystem, with permissions such that the user running the backend can access them? |
| [15:22:47] | akston_: | The frontend on the same machine as the backend works flawlessly. Remote frontends have intermittent connections. |
| [15:24:03] | sbts-tv: | wagnerrp: as I hit enter on the last comment I wondered about backend user perms. confirming that now. |
| [15:24:20] | wagnerrp: | akston_: could you run http://pastebin.com/GSeFKcQp and pastebin the results? |
| [15:25:29] | akston_: | wagnerrp: 1) Do you want me to run that on the remote frontend or the backend machine? 2) Do you want me to run it with the frontend in the working or broken condition? |
| [15:25:45] | wagnerrp: | run it anywhere on your network |
| [15:26:06] | sbts-tv: | wagnerrp: that is looking promising. sometimes all it takes is to frame a question, and the answer is obvious as you ask :) |
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| [15:29:31] | wagnerrp: | akston_: that should only run for about five seconds, and will print out a block for any backend it discovers over UPNP |
| [15:30:07] | akston_: | wagnerrp: I'm on the server and it's printing nothing |
| [15:30:52] | wagnerrp: | can i see your backend logs, from when it is started to when initial setup is complete |
| [15:30:57] | wagnerrp: | say... first 20–30 seconds or so |
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| [15:31:14] | akston_: | wagnerrp: Remind me of the path? |
| [15:31:26] | wagnerrp: | try /var/log/mythtv/ |
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| [15:35:24] | sbts-tv: | wagnerrp: I just tried running that script here, it only ran for 5 seconds, but did not find the backend. yes the backend is running and it is on the machine I ran the script on. |
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| [15:36:16] | wagnerrp: | sbts-tv: script wasnt for you |
| [15:36:39] | wagnerrp: | not printing anything means your UPNP server is not running |
| [15:36:57] | sbts-tv: | yeah I know. I have been poing about with python over the last couple of days and I was interested :) |
| [15:37:00] | akston_: | wagnerrp: Here's a recent chunk of it http://pastebin.com/DEzDBtnH |
| [15:37:14] | sbts-tv: | oops....poking that was |
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| [15:39:21] | akston_: | I've got my netbook beside me so I don't have to run downstairs to test connectivity now :) (Presently not seeing the backend) |
| [15:39:56] | wagnerrp: | open up netstat, see if your backend is even listening on port 1900 |
| [15:40:45] | wagnerrp: | i see no indication that upnp failed, and the UPnpMedia scans says it should be active |
| [15:41:08] | iamlindoro: | Could also be a local route issue-- Mark K told me that he had to set a route for the 239.0.0.0 network manually to get uPnP autodetect to work on Ubuntu |
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| [15:41:40] | wagnerrp: | i have seen three mentions of similar behavior now, all on ubuntu |
| [15:41:41] | iamlindoro: | also, could be a consumer router issue... some people with random cheapie routers have to toggle various uPnP options |
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| [15:42:40] | akston_: | tehowe@galt:/var/log/mythtv$ netstat | grep 1900 |
| [15:42:42] | akston_: | unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 19009 |
| [15:42:43] | wagnerrp: | that still doesnt explain why the config files get invalidated in the first place |
| [15:42:56] | akston_: | Not sure how to use that |
| [15:43:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should not be going from connecting, to not connecting |
| [15:43:25] | wagnerrp: | unless those files get overwritten by something other than mythtv (packages?), or the database is simply not accessible |
| [15:43:42] | wagnerrp: | but if it were a database problem, it should have had a connection failure, rather than authentication failure |
| [15:44:36] | akston_: | Checked and same behavior obtains. Remote frontend won't connect -> activate the 'GUPnP Universal Control Point' tool -> frontend connects |
| [15:45:04] | akston_: | (The tool is activated onthe server box of course) |
| [15:45:31] | wagnerrp: | sounds like GUPnP has certain sanity checks mythtv lacks, that ensure the server is configured properly |
| [15:45:55] | wagnerrp: | such as UPNP routing issues |
| [15:46:25] | akston_: | I shut it down and the frontend won't connect again. |
| [15:46:44] | akston_: | However, when it's shut down, VLC can see the Windows media server off my partner's laptop |
| [15:46:53] | wagnerrp: | run 'netstat -nr' with gupnp running, and with it not running |
| [15:46:59] | akston_: | Ok |
| [15:49:07] | akston_: | They are the same http://pastebin.com/yngGhPZA |
| [15:54:07] | akston_: | I thought I was going mad ... it seemed like every other update Myth would stop working, then start working again on the next update. That's got to be a clue. At least I discovered this workaround :D |
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| [15:55:42] | wagnerrp: | back to that, like ive said, mythtv will not 'stop working' just because of an update |
| [15:56:15] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that could explain your issue is something destroying those config files |
| [15:56:27] | wagnerrp: | thats the only reason it would be falling back to upnp in the first place |
| [15:56:45] | akston_: | And it's destroying them continuously |
| [15:57:03] | wagnerrp: | well... on every package update |
| [15:57:06] | wagnerrp: | meaning it would appear the packager is doing it |
| [15:57:25] | wagnerrp: | update packages once, and check to see if those files still exist |
| [16:00:38] | akston_: | I've checked my netbook's config files and they're there, with the right login info – this is true in both the working and non-wrking state – is that relevant |
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| [16:01:01] | akston_: | That's config.xml and mysql.txt |
| [16:01:24] | wagnerrp: | are you sure youre looking in the correct location? mythbuntu wraps mythfrontend with some script, that messes with the paths those are stored in |
| [16:03:24] | akston_: | it is the Mythbuntu PPA, right, and I'm looking in ~/.mythtv – Hold on and I'll have the filesystem search for duplicates elsewhere |
| [16:03:49] | tgm4883: | those files should be in ~/.mythtv/, although they will be symlinks to /etc/mythtv/ |
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| [16:08:39] | akston_: | Ok..the search for config.xml has one in ~/.mythtv as well as /home/mythtv/.mythtv (both are equivalent, the mythtv user has an extra comment in it's file) |
| [16:09:13] | akston_: | And there is on in etc too |
| [16:10:06] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: is it possible mythtv is deleting the symlink, and writing a brand new file |
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| [16:10:18] | wagnerrp: | so it never gets pushed back to /etc/mythtv |
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| [16:10:55] | wagnerrp: | then when you update the package, and recreate the symlink, the contents are now blank again, and connection fails |
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| [16:11:15] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, shouldn't be, unless mythtv is writing a |
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| [16:11:32] | akston_: | For mysql.txt, there's a symlink in ~/.mythtv and real files in /etc and /home/mythtv/.mythtv |
| [16:11:35] | tgm4883: | new file after deleting it, even then, we should just be recreating the symlink |
| [16:11:43] | akston_: | For config.xml, all three are real files |
| [16:11:44] | tgm4883: | akston_, that is what I would expect |
| [16:11:51] | tgm4883: | hmm |
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| [16:12:28] | wagnerrp: | every other time he updates the package, the frontend loses the connection to the database |
| [16:12:28] | wagnerrp: | and upnp is otherwise failing |
| [16:12:50] | tgm4883: | every other time? |
| [16:12:55] | akston_: | Well ~ |
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| [16:13:56] | akston_: | Seems like it anyways... I wish I'd kept a log of which versions worked and which didn't |
| [16:14:19] | tgm4883: | if it was packaging, I would expect it to break every time |
| [16:15:01] | akston_: | tgm4883 there's more details in a couple bugs I filed (they're in a 'closed' state right now) |
| [16:15:20] | tgm4883: | akston_, link? |
| [16:15:21] | wagnerrp: | im assuming coincidentally, something allowed the upnp autodetection to work about half the time |
| [16:15:37] | tgm4883: | we're sure the backend was started? |
| [16:15:54] | akston_: | Oh, I can ALWAYS use it fine from the box the backend runs on |
| [16:16:18] | akston_: | On the MythTV bugzilla, they're bugs 10243 and 10272 |
| [16:16:26] | tgm4883: | which part? |
| [16:16:26] | wagnerrp: | the frontend wrapper scripts ensure the backend is running on the same machine |
| [16:16:43] | wagnerrp: | on a remote machine, that is not the case |
| [16:16:54] | tgm4883: | I don't think the frontend wrapper scripts do that |
| [16:17:12] | wagnerrp: | dont they start the backend if its not running? |
| [16:17:33] | tgm4883: | nope |
| [16:17:41] | akston_: | tgm4883: On the backend machine, boththe backend and frontend talk to each other ok. On remote frontends I have to force it by running gupnp monitor onthe backend machine with the present mythbuntu update |
| [16:17:42] | tgm4883: | I'll check, but I think it only checks for frontend running |
| [16:18:54] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv . . . hfrontend.sh |
| [16:19:22] | wagnerrp: | its only mythtv-setup that messes with the backend? |
| [16:19:44] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [16:20:16] | tgm4883: | gupnp monitor? |
| [16:20:22] | tgm4883: | so you run that and it works? |
| [16:20:39] | akston_: | Yep – the Universal Control Point part of the gupnp package |
| [16:22:47] | wagnerrp: | controlpoint is the frontend? |
| [16:22:57] | akston_: | No, I run it on the backend machine |
| [16:23:16] | tgm4883: | I'm assuming this is the 0.24 branch? |
| [16:23:17] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean what side of the upnp connect is that? |
| [16:23:37] | wagnerrp: | since upnp doesnt use the traditional 'client'/'server' names |
| [16:24:36] | akston_: | wagnerrp: Not sure what you mean. It lets me monitor all the UPnP services on the network... Among other things it shows 'MythTV AV Media Server' |
| [16:24:53] | tgm4883: | so it would seem that UPnP is working then? |
| [16:24:58] | akston_: | If I launch clients elsewhere, they show up as renderers |
| [16:25:13] | wagnerrp: | so it would be a 'client' |
| [16:25:24] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, sounds like a 'client' |
| [16:25:46] | akston_: | tgm4883: Insofar as I can see the server from the same machine it's running on... let me test and see what happens on the remote machine |
| [16:26:00] | wagnerrp: | looks like a client, sounds like a client, but its actually a controlpoint! |
| [16:26:00] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [16:26:36] | tgm4883: | akston_, on the backend, what is the output of 'sudo ufw status" |
| [16:27:47] | akston_: | Hang on... ok first, running gupnp onthe remote machine only shows my HDHomeRun. If I run gupnp on both machines, I can see the mythtvserver on the remote machine. So running gupnp is vital to my setup for whatever reason. |
| [16:28:11] | akston_: | Second, I am running UFW but have DHCP reserved on all client machines and they're opened up on UFW |
| [16:28:41] | tgm4883: | akston_, does GUPNP happen to open ports on the firewall? |
| [16:29:27] | tgm4883: | better yet, if you disable UFW, does it work? |
| [16:30:04] | akston_: | Checking |
| [16:30:12] | akston_: | I'm sure I tried that along the way :D |
| [16:30:42] | akston_: | No. |
| [16:31:30] | tgm4883: | I can't think of any reason that GUPNP would have any effect on the backend |
| [16:31:37] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ^ |
| [16:32:20] | akston_: | Maybe Ubuntu's uPNP implementation is borked |
| [16:32:40] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ^^ |
| [16:32:43] | tgm4883: | heh |
| [16:32:55] | tgm4883: | i'm tired, didn't realize I already did that |
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| [16:33:29] | tgm4883: | I don't use UPNP on mine, but I could check it. IIRC the backend shows up on my xbox 360 |
| [16:34:18] | sphery: | "Looking at commits in the mythcommflag portion of the source tree though suggests that not much has happened with/to it for a few months though so I tend to feel that it's not an issue which has been fixed more recently than my installation here." but, yet, MythTV must have been changed to break it, and it can't possibly be a local issue? |
| [16:35:56] | akston_: | You guys want me to PM my email? I have to go soon... If someone opens one of those tickets we can bash away at it there too |
| [16:41:14] | akston_: | I'm running tail -f /var/log/ufw.log and noticed that port 1900 is being blocked to 239.255.255.250 but that's not a real IP |
| [16:41:39] | akston_: | Is that an *aha* moment? |
| [16:41:55] | wagnerrp: | no, thats the standard UPNP address |
| [16:42:01] | akston_: | Doh |
| [16:42:20] | wagnerrp: | UPNP performs detection through UDP multicast |
| [16:42:40] | wagnerrp: | multicast is in the 224/4 address block |
| [16:43:12] | wagnerrp: | that whole block gets routed to each and every endpoint that requests it |
| [16:43:23] | akston_: | But UFW is supposed to allow outgoing |
| [16:43:24] | stuartm: | multicast not being a point to point address, but a point to everyone on this subnet address |
| [16:43:31] | wagnerrp: | unless youre using a dumb switch, in which case its routed to each and every endpoint even if it doesnt want it |
| [16:43:44] | sbts-tv: | akston_: if that address is being blocked you could have a problem |
| [16:44:40] | akston_: | Currently I'm set to outgoing ALLOW and incoming DENY except for the 192.168.0.xxx addresses that are local machines |
| [16:45:30] | akston_: | So it must be some legacy iptables setting maybe... I'm going to try overriding it throughthe ufw |
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| [16:49:03] | akston_: | Hmmmn... neither allowing in or out to 239.255.255.250 does anything |
| [16:50:29] | sbts-tv: | akston_: silly question, did you allow in *and* out at the same time? |
| [16:51:01] | akston_: | Itried none, both seperately, and both together just to cover the bases |
| [16:51:41] | wagnerrp: | did you try just disabling your firewall all together? |
| [16:51:56] | akston_: | Yes... so yeah this is a futile exercise good point |
| [16:54:16] | akston_: | So any chance of OPENing bug 10243 or 10272 since something is going on... |
| [16:55:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: for reference, ubuntu's brainstorm is just their name for ideatorrent |
| [16:58:13] | iamlindoro: | akston_: No. We're buried under valid bugs as it is-- as nobody else is experiencing the issue and we cannot reproduce, we can only deduce for now that it is a local configuration issue-- we are forced lately to take a hard line about tickets that if you cannot prove it to be a myth code issue (ie, providing a patch or at least lines of code where it's obviously wrong) we really can't keep tickets that are almost definitely config |
| [16:58:13] | iamlindoro: | issues open |
| [16:58:53] | iamlindoro: | I know it's not what you want to hear and I know you firmly believe it's a myth bug, but this is what we need to do to prevent drowning in bugs, which we are currently painfully close to |
| [16:59:47] | akston_: | iamlindro: Ok I'll use my workaround (keeping gupnp up to force the channel open) until Precise comes out and see how things stand then. Thanks for all the help anyways! |
| [17:00:09] | akston_: | And to wagnerrp and tgm4883 |
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| [17:03:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I knew that wasn't the package's name, but couldn't remember the real name and figured it would get the point across |
| [17:03:59] | wagnerrp: | personally, i would love to see something like that, rather than the kludgly list on the wiki |
| [17:04:22] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:04:36] | sphery: | I think it's worthwhile, but likely needs to wait until after we're back on our server |
| [17:04:47] | wagnerrp: | im just afraid it would result in, "why arent you developing this, i clicked 150 times on a bunch of different IPs to make it look like tons of users want it" |
| [17:05:03] | sphery: | wonder which distro they upgraded our server to... if it's CentOS 5.5, it would almost seem worthwhile to re-upgrade, then move |
| [17:05:25] | sphery: | yeah, if we did an IdeaTorrent, we'd need to make expectations clear |
| [17:06:01] | wagnerrp: | i would love to see it get used as something for users who want to get more involved work on |
| [17:06:02] | wagnerrp: | i just dont think thats what it will result in |
| [17:06:21] | sphery: | I keep getting some machine calling me and saying something in Spanish. Worst telemarketing call I've ever gotten. |
| [17:06:56] | sphery: | yeah, for some reason it seems to be way too much of a "someone else needs to do this for me" type thing with everything mythtv |
| [17:07:02] | sphery: | few people seem willing to get involved |
| [17:07:19] | wagnerrp: | any idea how to tell what it is? uname doesnt say |
| [17:08:14] | sphery: | what about /etc/redhat-release ? |
| [17:08:27] | sid3windr: | I think a lot of people looking for this software are not fluent in C :) |
| [17:08:30] | wagnerrp: | ah, 6.2 |
| [17:08:39] | sphery: | RHEL or CentOS? |
| [17:08:50] | wagnerrp: | centos |
| [17:08:52] | Seeker`: | Won't people just assume that the top-voted issues are going to be worked on next, which isn't really the reality |
| [17:09:04] | sphery: | sid3windr: yeah, but we don't even seem to get help with themes or ... |
| [17:09:22] | sphery: | Seeker`: that's why we have to make expectations clear |
| [17:10:05] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:10:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: interesting... I didn't know there was a 6.2 (but I know nothing about distros in general, so...) |
| [17:10:20] | Seeker`: | sid3windr: even for someone fluent in C, mythtv is a very big codebase to start working on, and there aren't many clues as to where to start |
| [17:10:33] | sid3windr: | yes, but that person still has a head start |
| [17:10:44] | sid3windr: | for my "own" project, I did start writing "developing" wiki pages |
| [17:10:55] | sid3windr: | but not all of the structure and idea has been documented |
| [17:11:02] | sid3windr: | and it's somewhat smaller and less complicated than myth :) |
| [17:11:31] | Seeker`: | sphery: the wiki pages probably need to be updated for new theme developers. There are textareas / statetypes which aren't documented AFAIK |
| [17:11:46] | sphery: | I'd say someone who understands MythTV--how it works and how it's meant to be used--but has no experience with C or C++ or Qt has a much bigger head start than someone who knows C++ (even someone who knows C++ and Qt) |
| [17:12:09] | sphery: | and doesn't truly understand the underlying ideas behind MythTV |
| [17:12:55] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: for someone fluent in C, theres no reason why they couldnt start small |
| [17:13:12] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to dive headlong into the hard stuff |
| [17:13:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so 6.2 seems the most-recent version--released Dec 20, 2011--meaning they probably enabled some update feature, so we just need to get the services moved back |
| [17:13:59] | sphery: | which means we just need to get those with the know-how/ability the time |
| [17:16:23] | Seeker`: | I hope to get round to actually doing some dev for mythtv at some point in the future, but I've been dealing with illness for the last few weeks |
| [17:18:45] | sbts-tv: | who is the the audio subsystem guru? I am sure I have asked before but I can't find my notes |
| [17:18:57] | sphery: | !seen allesmueller |
| [17:18:57] | MythLogBot: | allesmueller was last seen 18 hours 39 minutes 21 seconds ago |
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| [17:38:07] | stuartm: | sbts-tv: jya |
| [17:41:17] | stuartm: | sid3windr, Seeker`: we get a lot of interest from people wanting to tackle big projects and new features, but not often enough anyone who is happy just to fix the little things, small improvements here and there which ultimately will make a bigger difference to the perception of MythTV |
| [17:42:50] | stuartm: | take the series of commits I made this afternoon, nothing difficult or significant on it's own, but together they make mythnews just a little nicer than it was this morning |
| [17:46:14] | sid3windr: | cool :) |
| [17:46:57] | sid3windr: | I'm currently not using mythtv, stopped around .22 for a bit due to a divorce and associated issues but planning on it making a comeback really soon, I hear great things about .24/.25, so I'm curious :) |
| [17:47:23] | sid3windr: | I can copy/paste code so I might be able to step in for little things, but I'm also getting a baby tomorrow (:O) so that might still take a while :) |
| [17:56:25] | sbts-tv: | stuartm: thanks, found a pointer to him in the list archives. do you know what part of the world he is in (time zone mainly)? |
| [17:58:08] | sbts-tv: | stuartm: I am looking at implementing (with jya's help if possible) a small enhancement. The ability to have two sound devices configured and toggle between them. |
| [17:58:28] | sbts-tv: | this should allow sane use of a headset with myth. |
| [17:59:22] | sbts-tv: | ultimately the ability to use device 1 or device 2 or device (1+2) should be the target. |
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| [18:36:36] | smoothifier: | i'm doing a little shopping for my new desktop and I'm curious about USB 3.0. Should I be looking for a case with designated USB 3.0 ports, or are those usually just ports on the motherboard? |
| [18:37:19] | wagnerrp: | USB3.0 to what end? |
| [18:37:32] | smoothifier: | i have no plans, i just want to keep my options open |
| [18:37:39] | smoothifier: | maybe storage? |
| [18:38:10] | wagnerrp: | anything you plug into the front is going to be a flash drive |
| [18:38:23] | smoothifier: | yeah, that's what i usually use it for |
| [18:38:24] | wagnerrp: | sufficiently small and temporary (and low performance) that usb3.0 doesnt really matter |
| [18:38:44] | wagnerrp: | anything you plug into the back for more permanent stuff should be eSATA instead of USB |
| [18:39:15] | smoothifier: | my present case has eSATA on the top. I'd like to find another like that |
| [18:40:04] | smoothifier: | it's fun looking for new hardware, but i usually spend a week reading about what I should get. :) |
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| [19:00:16] | pikapp: | Hey guys, I am trying to get my pvr_150 card to work correctly I have it set as MPEG2-encoder |
| [19:00:39] | pikapp: | I don't have schedules direct subscription and I am using OTA with a digital converter box, how should I setup the channels? |
| [19:01:02] | wagnerrp: | best suggestion, scrap both and get a proper digital tuner |
| [19:01:20] | pikapp: | Scans reveal nothing, even though I can cat /dev/video0 to mpg file and also view in VLC after I run the command...ivtv-tune -tus-bcast -c3 /dev/video0 |
| [19:01:37] | wagnerrp: | scans will never do anything, because youre using a digital converter box |
| [19:01:57] | pikapp: | So do I just add channel 3 in Channel Editor? |
| [19:01:59] | wagnerrp: | the box will always output a signal, regardless of what channel it is tuning |
| [19:02:10] | wagnerrp: | and the internal tuner will only ever be set to channel3/4 (depending on the switch in the back) |
| [19:02:23] | pikapp: | I guess I was expecting it to only find one channel, e.g. channel 3 |
| [19:02:56] | wagnerrp: | and you shouldnt even be doing that, you should be using the svideo output |
| [19:03:21] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv needs to be able to control whatever tuner it is connected to |
| [19:03:39] | wagnerrp: | which means mucking around with an IR blaster to allow mythtv to control the DTA |
| [19:03:51] | sphery: | pikapp: why not just sign up for schedules direct and do it properly |
| [19:04:01] | wagnerrp: | and comes right back around to it being easier to just get a digital tuner, so mythtv can capture that content directly |
| [19:04:01] | sphery: | without the listings data, your mythtv box will be useless |
| [19:04:11] | pikapp: | bc all I want to do is stream one channel PBS to my entire house |
| [19:04:16] | sphery: | if you don't have schedules, you don't have a DVR, so you won't need MythTV |
| [19:04:24] | sphery: | you can just use VLC or something /much/ simpler |
| [19:04:50] | wagnerrp: | just set it to record everything, and stream it back out over multicast |
| [19:04:50] | wagnerrp: | whoever wants to access it can |
| [19:05:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to record for later playback, not to strema live |
| [19:05:23] | sphery: | where "it" = vlc |
| [19:05:25] | pikapp: | could i still do recording occassionally (on a timer) if needed without mythtv? |
| [19:05:38] | sphery: | http://wiki.videolan.org/Multicast |
| [19:05:45] | wagnerrp: | hook up another instance of VLC to record from that multicast stream |
| [19:05:48] | sphery: | yes, using cron and dd or something |
| [19:05:51] | pikapp: | thank you all |
| [19:05:55] | wagnerrp: | leave the transmitter running all the time |
| [19:05:56] | pikapp: | i appreciate it |
| [19:06:00] | ** wizbit is now a proud owner of a Nvidia geforce 210, the first step towards HD :D ** | |
| [19:06:05] | sphery: | (even cat should work for recording from a PVR-150) |
| [19:06:06] | wagnerrp: | run the second instance to record during the periods you want |
| [19:06:21] | sphery: | you may need to use v4l2ctl to set the ivtv format and channel and such |
| [19:06:37] | pikapp: | I'll probably upgrade later, my wife is a teacher and just needs certain programs and tihings |
| [19:06:43] | wagnerrp: | pikapp: i would still recommend using a digital tuner instead |
| [19:06:44] | sphery: | http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl |
| [19:07:04] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, it would let you simultaneously stream all of PBS |
| [19:07:08] | sphery: | definitely better for OTA |
| [19:07:09] | wagnerrp: | and not just the one subchannel |
| [19:07:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know anything about your local affiliate, but i get half a dozen subchannels out of mine |
| [19:07:29] | sphery: | and get it in good quality, never tainted by NTSC |
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| [19:08:17] | sphery: | see, also http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Vlc-to-Stream-Audi . . . ng-Multicast |
| [19:09:12] | sphery: | pikapp: that said, IMHO, MythTV is well worth doing--if you set it up properly and provide it with listings |
| [19:09:31] | sphery: | pikapp: it can record anything and everything you might ever want to watch so that you can live your life on your own schedule--not the network's |
| [19:11:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you think theres any chance of getting a ideatorrent server set up? otherwise, i want to get some better formatting up on the wishlist before pieter goes too far with that |
| [19:12:00] | sphery: | Beirdo: ^^^ ? |
| [19:12:25] | sphery: | I'm all for it, but don't know how the other devs feel |
| [19:12:37] | wagnerrp: | well i can get it installed and configured (assuming i get sudo on alcor) |
| [19:12:41] | wagnerrp: | im more talking about how the other devs feel |
| [19:13:14] | sphery: | yeah, just figured we'd start with see how Beirdo feels |
| [19:13:28] | sphery: | I know he had some opinions on the matter |
| [19:13:32] | sphery: | not sure about the others |
| [19:13:43] | ** wagnerrp says Beirdo's name some more ** | |
| [19:14:13] | sphery: | I think Beirdo is ignoring you |
| [19:14:23] | sphery: | shouldn't he be here at our beck and call? |
| [19:14:31] | wagnerrp: | absolutely |
| [19:14:38] | wagnerrp: | how dare he be out at lunch |
| [19:14:51] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [19:15:06] | sphery: | yeah, and at 2:15 in the afternoon, even |
| [19:15:37] | wagnerrp: | (well it is 11:15 out there) |
| [19:15:49] | sphery: | the world should be on my time! |
| [19:16:27] | wagnerrp: | looks like we would need postgre for that one |
| [19:16:52] | pikapp: | sphery: can you recommend a good, cheap digital tuner that will work well with linux? (that was the reason I bought the pvr-150 previously) |
| [19:17:06] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [19:17:06] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [19:17:33] | wagnerrp: | the kworld ones used to be relatively cheap... typically $30-$40 |
| [19:17:49] | stuartm: | sphery: since most devs don't look at the wishlist I doubt there will be any objections |
| [19:17:53] | wagnerrp: | you might be able to find some of the pinnacle USB ones cheap, but i cant personally recommend any usb tuner |
| [19:18:58] | sphery: | pikapp: and for nice, well-supported-for-use-on-Linux-by-the-vendor ones see like Hauppauge HVR-1250 and HVR-1600 (where the 1600 is basically an HVR-1250 + a PVR-150 in one) |
| [19:19:06] | wagnerrp: | ugh... still no ipv6 fix on master |
| [19:19:15] | pikapp: | nice |
| [19:19:16] | wagnerrp: | i should look into that tonight |
| [19:19:29] | pikapp: | i would porbably wanna stick with pci |
| [19:19:56] | wagnerrp: | pikapp: its also like $90, and you would really only be interested in it if you ever want to record analog |
| [19:19:59] | wagnerrp: | i.e. capture from a cable box |
| [19:20:40] | wagnerrp: | although if you intend to do that route, it would be better to check what charter marks 'copy freely', and potentially get a cablecard tuner instead |
| [19:20:48] | sphery: | yeah, since you have a PVR-150, the HVR-1600 wouldn't provide much more than just getting a much-cheaper HVR-1250 |
| [19:21:01] | wagnerrp: | cheaper? |
| [19:21:14] | sphery: | yeah, 1250 is cheaper than 1600 |
| [19:21:15] | wagnerrp: | 1250 < 1600 < 2250 |
| [19:21:28] | wagnerrp: | oh, i misinterpreted |
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| [19:24:41] | sphery: | now to decide whether to be patriotic and make a pie or to work on mythtv... |
| [19:24:48] | sphery: | (today is National Pie Day in the US) |
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| [19:47:24] | pikapp: | one last question, if i get a digital tuner, do i still need a digital converter if i want to use my antennae? |
| [19:47:43] | wagnerrp: | no, thats the whole reason for getting a digital tuner |
| [19:48:10] | pikapp: | awesome |
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| [20:23:59] | dekarl: | sphery: wrt theme patches, just stumbled upon #9544 when searching for my name. It appears to be orphaned, how can the patch be moved forward? |
| [20:28:28] | sphery: | dekarl: hehe, wanna be the team leader for MythCenter? :) |
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| [20:29:00] | dekarl: | one sec, let me throw dices |
| [20:29:00] | dekarl: | sorry, have to pass :) |
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| [20:29:19] | sphery: | it's assigned to Kevin, so I'm guessing he knows about it/will get to it eventually. (He just sent an e-mail to the list in the last day or 2, so he hasn't disappeared.) |
| [20:29:31] | sphery: | yeah, was joking--you already have enough going on with xmltv and such |
| [20:29:49] | dekarl: | don't we all have enough on "the list"? |
| [20:29:50] | sphery: | but one day, I'll convince someone to actually become a team lead on a theme |
| [20:31:29] | sphery: | dekarl: btw, I didn't realize that was you |
| [20:31:33] | sphery: | nice to meet you :) |
| [20:32:43] | sphery: | oh, wait, that's a different name (thought it was some old e-mail of yours) |
| [20:33:10] | sphery: | so you just found that patch when searching for Karl, I guess? |
| [20:33:13] | dekarl: | aye, I searched just for the given name |
| [20:33:22] | sphery: | I see |
| [20:34:12] | dekarl: | btw, I got justin h to fix my braino on #10023 (and its tested positvely by him, yeah) |
| [20:34:40] | sphery: | that's the description-related efficiency one (for time search)? |
| [20:34:57] | sphery: | if so, I should get to that soon |
| [20:35:08] | dekarl: | aye (just trying to point out low hanging patches) |
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| [20:40:33] | allesmueller: | lower hanging :D .... http://fpaste.org/3HyQ/ |
| [20:40:52] | sphery: | dekarl: there, it was definitely low-hanging (as it was already fixed). Thanks for pointing it out. |
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| [20:43:09] | sphery: | allesmueller: is that fixing the same issue as http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10142 ? |
| [20:43:17] | sphery: | (but with a more elegant fix?) |
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| [20:45:06] | allesmueller: | it seems so, yes :D |
| [20:45:15] | sphery: | do you mind uploading your patch to that ticket, then |
| [20:46:11] | allesmueller: | sphery, what is wrong with the attached patch? |
| [20:46:20] | sphery: | thanks for the fix, too (I like yours better than the one on that ticket--because yours will fix the others we don't remember, too :) |
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| [20:47:39] | sphery: | the one on the ticket fixes the problem of "Schedule::findScheduled() returns null sometimes" by doing a null check at usage, whereas your fix just makes it so that Schedule::findScheduled() always returns a valid array (sometimes empty), so we don't need redundant null checks |
| [20:47:47] | sphery: | (at least that's the way I read it) |
| [20:48:09] | allesmueller: | sphery, actually you would have to use both :D |
| [20:48:22] | allesmueller: | to fix all hidden problems |
| [20:48:52] | allesmueller: | the ticket is locked, btw |
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| [20:49:12] | sphery: | why do you need both? |
| [20:49:16] | sphery: | I'll unlock ticket |
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| [20:51:41] | dekarl: | btw, you can attach patches to closed tickets, too (e.g. #7701) |
| [20:51:50] | dekarl: | s/closed/locked/ |
| [20:51:57] | sphery: | oh, didn't realize that. |
| [20:52:19] | sphery: | at leat this we, he can add any required comments/explanations |
| [20:52:23] | sphery: | way |
| [20:52:26] | ** wizbit upgrades to 0.24.2 ** | |
| [20:52:31] | dekarl: | I didn't realize it until I had the patch attached and couldnt comment on it |
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| [20:53:01] | dekarl: | which is helpful because the patch does not trigger an email to the list |
| [20:53:10] | wizbit: | 2 frontends are having a compiling race, the atom based joggler v the P4 frontend :D |
| [20:53:33] | wagnerrp: | oh, i dont think that will be much of a race |
| [20:53:41] | wagnerrp: | frankly, im surprised you can even compile on the joggle |
| [20:53:42] | wagnerrp: | r |
| [20:53:44] | wagnerrp: | memory issues and all |
| [20:53:46] | sphery: | wizbit: note that 0.24-fixes is a better target than 0.24.2 :) |
| [20:54:08] | sphery: | wizbit: with 0.24-fixes, you'll get the fixes that are committed after the 0.24.2 release |
| [20:54:23] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac (the "Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.24 stable branch, do this: " part) |
| [20:54:37] | allesmueller: | sphery, uploaded |
| [20:54:44] | sphery: | allesmueller: thanks |
| [20:55:00] | wizbit: | sphery: thats what im using |
| [20:55:06] | wizbit: | i just git pull |
| [20:55:15] | sphery: | ah, so just pulling a post 0.24.2 update |
| [20:55:16] | sphery: | cool |
| [20:55:20] | wizbit: | aye :D |
| [20:55:27] | sphery: | just making sure... tarballs aren't ideal for mythtv usage |
| [20:55:37] | wizbit: | yep i learnt that lesson a while back |
| [20:55:39] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:56:01] | wizbit: | it wasnt long ago when it was svn upate |
| [20:57:24] | sphery: | Hehe, so I had a HDD that failed Seatools due to bad sectors. Got all the data off it that I could, then reformatted it using Win7 to do a non-quick NTFS format. Now it doesn't fail Seatools short test. |
| [20:58:14] | sphery: | but since it's out of sectors for reallocating, I'm not using the disk, anymore... think I may have to write to the bad sectors to get it to realize it's bad |
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| [20:58:23] | allesmueller: | :D I would put all my precious source on it :D |
| [20:58:28] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:59:12] | sphery: | I have it plugged into the mythtv dev box, now, and am running the long test--but that means I can't work on mythtv, so I guess it's time to put together my new computer and use that for stressing it |
| [20:59:12] | allesmueller: | did you ever hear a disk failed *twice*? |
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| [21:29:41] | DeviceZer0: | is deinterlacing done automatically in 0.24 and newer? I dont see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Deinterlacing in my 0.24 and it looks like my recordings are not being deinterlaced |
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| [21:32:00] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: Utilities/Setup|Setup| |
| [21:32:15] | sphery: | TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen, Playback Profiles |
| [21:32:31] | sphery: | you need to edit profiles and on the 2nd page of each profile you'll see deinterlacing options |
| [21:32:47] | dekarl: | that was quick... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles |
| [21:33:00] | sphery: | however, unless you've created some custom profile group or edited the example profiles, deinterlacing will be done |
| [21:33:17] | jya: | sbts-tv: This feature has been discussed in the past, and fundamentally it's a huge task… I've been interested in doing something like this for a while, but there are lots of issues to resolve. Ideally it should work with any type of secondary audio device, like 1-ALSA and 2-Pulse ; with digital mixed with analog… At this stage, the audio framework will only work with one audio device only. If both are on ALSA, you can simulate such setup usi |
| [21:33:17] | jya: | alsa config file |
| [21:33:22] | sphery: | meaning you are likely playing back some video that was incorrectly processed upstream or something |
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| [21:33:55] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, hmm ok. thanks. let me check that out |
| [21:34:46] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, I am using the cpu++ profile |
| [21:34:56] | DeviceZer0: | its set to none none for deinterlacers. |
| [21:35:01] | DeviceZer0: | is there a fav one to use? |
| [21:35:10] | DeviceZer0: | Im not really sure which is best/prefered. |
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| [21:42:19] | wagnerrp: | wtf... |
| [21:42:25] | wagnerrp: | 2.6.41? |
| [21:43:21] | wagnerrp: | there wasnt even a 2.6.40 |
| [21:43:29] | wagnerrp: | sure, the kernel arbitrarily decided to switch to version 3 |
| [21:43:52] | wagnerrp: | but theyre just as arbitrarily deciding to not |
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| [21:53:48] | smoothifier: | i compiled the kernel in a while loop for about 2 hours and didnt' get an error today. i wonder what's going on. |
| [21:54:22] | wagnerrp: | how many '-j's? |
| [21:54:59] | smoothifier: | hmm i'm not sure... i ran a shell script on a Gentoo page that has given me errors before when things went wrong |
| [21:55:35] | smoothifier: | i'm sure there's something wrong, though. about a month ago i was getting wild errors and had to reinstall fedora |
| [21:55:47] | smoothifier: | probably related |
| [21:57:09] | smoothifier: | the script's on this page. i just used the defaults given by "make menuconfig" |
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| [21:57:13] | smoothifier: | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/hardware-stability-p1.xml |
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| [21:58:27] | smoothifier: | the shopping is coming along. if i picked things that are all compatible, i should have a pretty fast desktop when i'm finished, and this machine will make a nice backend |
| [21:59:30] | smoothifier: | oh it's make -j2, wagnerrp ... i didnt' see that |
| [22:00:54] | wizbit: | was there any updated to mythweb with 0.24.2 release? |
| [22:00:58] | wizbit: | *s |
| [22:01:17] | stuartm: | ? |
| [22:01:34] | stuartm: | mythweb is packaged with mythplugins |
| [22:01:49] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: how many cores? |
| [22:01:58] | smoothifier: | only 1 |
| [22:02:08] | smoothifier: | should that be amended? |
| [22:02:08] | wizbit: | does mythweb have its own version number? |
| [22:02:41] | stuartm: | no |
| [22:03:01] | wizbit: | mythvideo was not working on mythweb in 0.24.1, maybe it works now |
| [22:03:15] | stuartm: | wizbit: look at the release notes |
| [22:03:28] | stuartm: | fwiw, mythvideo worked for me with 0.24.1 |
| [22:03:41] | wizbit: | ohh |
| [22:04:23] | smoothifier: | ok, weird... mythfilldatabase is now running |
| [22:04:29] | smoothifier: | hahah |
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| [22:07:28] | smoothifier: | and Xorg segfaulted. seems to pick and choose which parts of my OS will fail |
| [22:07:53] | Froolap: | Is anyone running the Ceton InfiniTV4 capture card? I was hoping to discover what format of file is being written with this card. |
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| [22:08:50] | wagnerrp: | same as any other digital tuner |
| [22:08:54] | wagnerrp: | MPEG2/AC3/MPEGTS |
| [22:10:40] | Froolap: | I wasn't seeing it in any of the documentation for the card that I could find. For all I know it's a frame grabber for windows 7, directx ... .avi. |
| [22:10:59] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: you should not be using any of the CPU+, CPU++ or CPU-- profiles. You probably either want any of the VDPAU ones if you have video card/drivers that support VDPAU or you want Slim. |
| [22:11:13] | wagnerrp: | its a 4-input cablecard tuner |
| [22:11:30] | wagnerrp: | and is not officially supported until the upcoming 0.25 |
| [22:11:52] | wagnerrp: | and then is only usable for 'copy freely' content |
| [22:12:02] | Froolap: | There's linux drivers on the manufacturer's web site. |
| [22:12:13] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:12:43] | Froolap: | Ok, so the long and the short of it is to avoid that card for the time being. |
| [22:12:56] | sphery: | can't tell smoothifier that mythvideo /in/ MythWeb doesn't work for any of the 0.24 versions (or -fixes) because it was never updated for the new way of doing things |
| [22:13:25] | wagnerrp: | Froolap: right now, the DCR-2650 and the HDHomeRun Prime are supported in 0.24 |
| [22:13:43] | wagnerrp: | although they require a bit of complex setup to pull their channels from schedules direct |
| [22:13:54] | wagnerrp: | and the Prime needs a bit more complex setup to add the third tuner |
| [22:14:05] | devinheitmueller: | Froolap: the challenge isn't just the card drivers, it's the relatively immature support for the protocols used to talk to cablecard devices. The HDHR-Prime and DCR-2650 also provide the HDHR protocol, which is how MythTV talks to it today. |
| [22:14:16] | wagnerrp: | the infinitv is supported in 0.24, through a set of 3rd party patches |
| [22:14:39] | Froolap: | well, maybe what I'm looking to do is not so complicated. complicated enough for me though. :) |
| [22:14:39] | wagnerrp: | all three are fully supported in the current developmental version, planned to be 0.25 in a few months |
| [22:15:08] | wagnerrp: | Froolap: these devices do not operate as standard Linux DVB tuners |
| [22:15:18] | wagnerrp: | as far as Linux is concerned, the InfiniTV is a network card |
| [22:15:27] | devinheitmueller: | If you're a regular user, you're probably better off waiting for it to get into a mainline distro. |
| [22:15:52] | Froolap: | I would be happy with something that will write standard dvd format mepg2 preferably with surroundsound (Ac3?) |
| [22:15:53] | sphery: | where "regular user" means "not a guy who's going to write support for OCUR/Ceton InfiniTV" |
| [22:16:32] | Froolap: | i DON'T REALLY NEED THE TUNER PORTION OF THE CARD OTHER THAN THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING THAT WILL WRITE THE MPEG2. |
| [22:16:38] | Froolap: | ack, sorry for caps. |
| [22:16:39] | wagnerrp: | these devices are going to record a mix of HD and SD, depending on what the cable company provides |
| [22:16:40] | wagnerrp: | you have no control over the format of the content |
| [22:16:46] | devinheitmueller: | Froolap: all of those devices will do MPEG2 with AC3, since that's what the cable company is sending down the wire. None of them have onboard encoders, so they provide whatever format comes from the cableco. |
| [22:17:15] | wagnerrp: | the bulk of the content you record from one will not be DVD compatible |
| [22:17:17] | devinheitmueller: | It's not like back in the days of the PVR-150 where you had an encoder and could adjust all sorts of parameters. |
| [22:18:04] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: he doesnt want to use mythtv properly. he wants to use it for temporary capture, until he burns the content to DVD and sticks it in a jukebox |
| [22:18:12] | wizbit: | holy lords, gone down to £60 |
| [22:18:13] | wizbit: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004C1176E/ref=asc . . . N=B004C1176E |
| [22:18:19] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: yeah, it's not meant for that. |
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| [22:18:29] | wagnerrp: | in which case, the PVR-150 would be ideal for what he wants |
| [22:18:34] | devinheitmueller: | ... none of the products really create MPEG that is fit for DVD without a transcode step. |
| [22:18:50] | wagnerrp: | not even the -150? |
| [22:19:04] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: you'll still have to convert from TS to PS. |
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| [22:19:30] | devinheitmueller: | ... and I don't know if the VOB intervals are actually in range for DVD spec. |
| [22:19:34] | wagnerrp: | well sure, plus you'd have to split it into 1GB chunks, and author it |
| [22:19:34] | wagnerrp: | but thats a lot easier than transcoding |
| [22:19:39] | stuartm: | Froolap: it's not a 'capture' card, it's a 'tuner' – it doesn't capture an image several times a second and encode it into a video file it can only handle video which has already been encoded to mpeg2 and broadcast FTA |
| [22:19:50] | devinheitmueller: | Bear in mind that we say DVD is MPEG2, but in reality it's a subset of the MPEG2 standard. |
| [22:20:51] | Froolap: | understood. |
| [22:20:52] | wagnerrp: | right, only certain resolutions and encoding options... but i thought the ivtv cards could be massaged to produce that |
| [22:21:05] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: it's a distinct possibility. |
| [22:21:11] | Seeker`: | wizbit: wish there was one of those that did S2 :( |
| [22:21:13] | stuartm: | Froolap: we tend to define the two classes of card differently, 'capture card' vs 'tuner card' – tuner cards are pretty dumb but sufficient for the vast majority |
| [22:22:10] | wagnerrp: | well, its more analog versus digital |
| [22:22:16] | wizbit: | Seeker`: why not use T2 |
| [22:22:44] | Froolap: | I appreciate the distinction that you've pointed out. ty Right now I'm looking the market over to see what would be a "best fit" for me. |
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| [22:22:57] | wagnerrp: | a digital tuner just sends the raw bitstream straight to the system, with its processing capabilities limited to a bit of stream filtering |
| [22:23:41] | wagnerrp: | Froolap: to be honest, i dont think you're going to find anything on the market well suited for what you want to do |
| [22:23:47] | wagnerrp: | besides maybe another DVD recorder |
| [22:24:00] | wagnerrp: | if anyone still makes those |
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| [22:24:58] | devinheitmueller: | You can always transcode in software, if you have the horsepower, then output to DVD. It's not rocket science. |
| [22:24:58] | Froolap: | I still have my old pinacle dc10 that I used to have setup for capture in linux and it worked well enough. I was just hoping to avoid the 8 hours of transcoding that went along with it. |
| [22:25:46] | devinheitmueller: | Did the DC10 even have an onboard encoder chip? /me forgets |
| [22:25:51] | Froolap: | that was 10 years ago, so I thought that the hardware may have caught up a bit sinve then. |
| [22:25:57] | wagnerrp: | a modern system should easily manage much better than realtime MPEG2 encoding at DVD formats |
| [22:26:04] | Froolap: | no it was just a frame grabber. |
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| [22:27:15] | devinheitmueller: | I really should just solve this problem. I have a few strategies that would make this practical in hardware, but not the will/energy to care. |
| [22:27:16] | Froolap: | and I was very surprised to find that playing back my old copy of robocop from VHS with audio sent to my sound blaster was able to preserve pro-logic for surround sound. |
| [22:27:51] | devinheitmueller: | I cannot know how that would be possible. As far as I know VHS never supported prologic. |
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| [22:28:01] | devinheitmueller: | (stereo yes, prologic no) |
| [22:28:20] | Seeker`: | anyone know if/how well http://www.amazon.co.uk/PCTV-Systems-23032-St . . . =1-1-catcorr is supported? |
| [22:28:20] | stuartm: | Froolap: the number of capture cards on the market has declined sharply as digital tv became the norm, there were/are cards like what you're looking for – the PVR-150 was hugely popular for that exact reason but it's no longer in production, there are some Hauppauge HVR models with capture and hardware encoding |
| [22:28:37] | devinheitmueller: | meeting, bbl. |
| [22:28:38] | stuartm: | but I've no idea whether those are mpeg2 or H.264 |
| [22:29:12] | Froolap: | apparently the pro-logic code was embedded into the audio signal it's self and I was surprised it wasn't filtered out by the sound blaster. I never even knew that tape had surround sound till I moved it to dvd. |
| [22:30:08] | Froolap: | I had the Hauppauge 2250 but couldn't get that working so gave it away. |
| [22:32:00] | Froolap: | But thanks to all of you. I really do appreciate the education you guys have given me on the new hardware. |
| [22:32:23] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: all the HVR models are MPEG2. You won't get H.264 without the HD-PVR or Colossus. |
| [22:33:23] | Froolap: | I was looking that the Colossus. |
| [22:34:34] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: good to know |
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| [22:38:10] | wagnerrp: | Froolap: do note, you will not be able to use the colossus on linux, or expect a dvd player to handle anything it outputs |
| [22:39:15] | Froolap: | so advised. Thanks. |
| [22:40:58] | Froolap: | If I can't use it in linux then it's not going to do me much good. I'm not really looking for streaming tv from one computer to another when I could just as easily point the second computer to the NAS that the file is being written to. |
| [22:41:48] | Froolap: | I wasn't really looking to get a multi tuner card so I can discard some STB. |
| [22:52:45] | wagnerrp: | well, discarding that STB means youre not paying that monthly rental on it |
| [22:53:22] | Froolap: | yeah but it also means no movies on demand/start over. |
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| [22:54:23] | wagnerrp: | the DVR is supposed to provide the start-over, since you set it to record stuff ahead of time, or pick up one of the later airings |
| [22:54:33] | wagnerrp: | but on demand... nothing that can really be done about that |
| [22:54:40] | Froolap: | I would just as suun use the stb and then capture from the stb in a format easily migrated to dvd. |
| [22:55:09] | Froolap: | suun = soon |
| [22:55:16] | AndyCap: | devinheitmueller: Stereo VHS could carry Pro Logic. |
| [22:55:49] | wagnerrp: | right, it all just runs counter to the design choices of any hard-drive-based DVR like mythtv |
| [22:57:36] | sphery: | Anyone know anything about audio configuration--specifically how to set the default input to Line In rather than Mic? Seems http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10012#comment:9 has it set wrong. |
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| [22:57:53] | sphery: | I'm assuming he's either using ALSA:default for audio input device or using /dev/dsp* |
| [22:58:07] | Froolap: | my remote control has built in timers for turning on/off all desired equipment and making channel changes, so I don't need pc internal schedualings as long as LIRC works. |
| [22:58:47] | wagnerrp: | your remote control doesnt have access to guide data to make intelligent decisions on what to record |
| [22:58:50] | sphery: | and since MythTV has only one setting for audio input device, it's ALSA changing to Mic when we open it |
| [22:59:08] | wagnerrp: | using it to schedule recordings is no different than using a dumb VCR |
| [22:59:47] | Froolap: | wagnerrp: No, but I do, and I can set the timers as daily/weekly or one time. If there's something that I want to record setting my remote's timer is trival. |
| [22:59:59] | k-man: | Froolap, surely it also relies on you not dropping the remote behind the couch (or similar) in order for it to work? |
| [23:00:09] | sphery: | isn't that what VDR does |
| [23:00:17] | sphery: | i.e. dumb VCR that just happens to record to disk |
| [23:00:41] | sphery: | fwiw, it's /not/ what MythTV was designed for and MythTV would be a bad choice for somneone wanting to use it like that |
| [23:00:51] | Froolap: | K-man I have never seen a remote with as long of a range as this one, with 4 IR emmiters. I've never had a loss of signal cause a failed recording. |
| [23:01:23] | k-man: | Froolap, sounds great, no need for mythtv then? |
| [23:01:58] | Froolap: | I need the mythtv to act as the dvr in the first place because my set top dvr died. |
| [23:02:29] | Froolap: | There does not seem to be any replacement for the set top dvr at this point. |
| [23:02:40] | k-man: | well, imho, if you are using your remote to schedule everything, mythtv would be overkill, couldn't you just have a script that records and streams to a file or something? |
| [23:03:18] | k-man: | I really can't understand why you think scheduling on the remote could be better than using a proper PVR like mythtv to do the scheduling |
| [23:03:35] | Froolap: | Perhaps, if I had the understanding of all the little parts. I don't have that understanding yet and mythtv seemed like a good place to start learning. |
| [23:03:47] | k-man: | ah I see |
| [23:04:22] | k-man: | I'm 99.9% certain that once you have mythtv set up and running properly, you will prefer scheduling and recording using its interface rather than your remotes |
| [23:04:52] | Froolap: | k-man I have a highly programmable touch screen for a remote. :) |
| [23:05:21] | k-man: | thats nice |
| [23:05:34] | k-man: | got to reboot, bbiab |
| [23:05:38] | Froolap: | I have all the channels I wish to record from pre defined, so it's a one button and set the time and no errors. |
| [23:07:17] | lis0r: | yeah, er, that's a bit backwards |
| [23:07:22] | Froolap: | with a $20 remote you don't mind setting it down where the dog can get it, but with a $1000 remote you set it down to be displayed with the furniture. Usually the docking station that recharges the batteries. |
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| [23:07:29] | lis0r: | mythtv – find program in epg, press record, done |
| [23:08:08] | lis0r: | or log into mythweb from laptop, search for program of interest, check record radiobutton |
| [23:08:10] | dekarl: | mythtv: set "record all movies with 4 stars up in hd" => done |
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