| Tuesday, April 16th, 2013, 00:00 UTC | ||
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| [00:01:10] | wagnerrp: | mickey62ga: softcams are a banned topic |
| [00:01:49] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: you cannot restore a backup to a different-versioned schema |
| [00:02:06] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: however, you can do a full restore and let MythTV upgrade it |
| [00:02:28] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: however, since 0.21 is so old, you'll have to use an intermediary version to go to 0.26 |
| [00:02:30] | wagnerrp: | and while some users might be able to claim legitimate use of them, stealing dishtv does not qualify |
| [00:03:34] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: and I highly recommend the restore script because it does checks for you |
| [00:04:17] | sphery: | wanting to link to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore , but I'm not getting a reply |
| [00:04:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is the wiki slow for you? |
| [00:04:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [00:04:58] | wagnerrp: | there's not much load on the system |
| [00:05:12] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [00:05:34] | sphery: | irclog is slow, too |
| [00:05:46] | sphery: | maybe it's my isp |
| [00:06:56] | wagnerrp: | i'm going to cycle it |
| [00:07:37] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/519068#519068 .. and note that you can use the mythconverg_backup.pl script to backup a 0.21-fixes database--and doing so is highly recommended because it is known to use the right arguments to mysqldump that prevent corrupting your data or schema |
| [00:07:51] | sphery: | if you use the wrong arguments or fail to use certain required ones, you'll get corruption when you restore the backup |
| [00:07:54] | wagnerrp: | seems to have improved |
| [00:08:19] | sphery: | yeah, much better |
| [00:08:21] | sphery: | wonder what it was |
| [00:08:40] | sphery: | maybe I shouldn't have asked it to make that PDF book that contained every page in the wiki... |
| [00:08:43] | sphery: | ;) |
| [00:09:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, what did you mean about a multiplexer around http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2013-04-13:15:24 (specifically at 16:06:45) |
| [00:10:18] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, thank you |
| [00:10:52] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, wait, what is an intermediary version? |
| [00:10:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and thought you might like http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/134006656 . . . ergy-storage and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/14/velkess_flywheel/ |
| [00:11:40] | wagnerrp: | you can only have one status information script defined |
| [00:13:03] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: install 0.24-fixes (or, if you can't get that one, any of 0.23-fixes or 0.22-fixes, but 0.24-fixes is preferred) and use its mythtv-setup to upgrade to its schema version, then backup the database (so you don't have to repeat the 0.24-fixes install if something goes wrong later), then install 0.26-fixes and use its mythtv-setup to upgrade to the final schema |
| [00:13:04] | wagnerrp: | i didn't initially understand what they meant by flexible |
| [00:13:27] | wagnerrp: | basically, just a bunch of fiberglass fabric, without a stabilizing matrix |
| [00:13:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah... yeah, I actually run a few, but I just have one "meta script" that calls the others in the order I want |
| [00:13:39] | wagnerrp: | that will be tough as hell to balance |
| [00:13:59] | wagnerrp: | you can already see how much it's vibrating in the video |
| [00:14:10] | sphery: | yeah, it sounds very difficult--otherwise, I'd assume they'd have them |
| [00:14:52] | sphery: | I just remembered your talking about flywheels--and about flywheel failures--and wondered what you'd think |
| [00:14:59] | wagnerrp: | stable... hah |
| [00:15:08] | ubuntuaddicted: | ok, i'm lost. currently I have a .sql.gz backup of my entire mythconverg database which was last 0.21+fixes and I now have a mythtv version 0.26 installed. what do I do? |
| [00:16:09] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: downgrade to 0.24-fixes, then do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database , then run 0.24-fixes mythtv-setup, then create a backup with mythconverg_backup.pl ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ) |
| [00:16:19] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: then upgrade back to 0.26-fixes |
| [00:16:28] | wagnerrp: | it's just not that expensive to filament wind low resin carbon fiber |
| [00:16:41] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: you may even be able to do that using a "Live CD" of Mythbuntu or LinHES or ... |
| [00:16:51] | sphery: | just need any 0.24-fixes Live CD |
| [00:17:19] | sphery: | or even just install the old Mythbuntu/LinHes to a small/extra partition on some hard drive temporarily |
| [00:18:08] | wagnerrp: | you make a spoked iron core for your motor assembly, wind carbon fiber around it like a spool of thread, and stuff the whole thing in an autoclave |
| [00:18:32] | wagnerrp: | the company i used to work for in college built the things |
| [00:19:05] | wagnerrp: | the were used for shielding on drive shafts |
| [00:19:20] | sphery: | He distinctly said 'autoclave', and as we all know, autoclave means to bluff, heh? |
| [00:19:36] | wagnerrp: | when did he mention autoclave? |
| [00:19:44] | sphery: | actually, you did |
| [00:19:57] | wagnerrp: | oh, it's basically a pressure cooker |
| [00:19:58] | sphery: | just made me think of to blave |
| [00:20:09] | wagnerrp: | a high temperature oven in a pressure chamber |
| [00:20:22] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:20:35] | sphery: | or hot, as the case may be |
| [00:20:39] | wagnerrp: | cook the stuff at ~600F and 5–10atm, while pulling vacuum |
| [00:21:11] | wagnerrp: | i think we ran around 80/20 (carbon/plastic) on our parts |
| [00:21:13] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, so basically you're saying i need to install a mythtv version .24 fixes, do a full restore from my 0.21+fixes backup, make sure everything is working, then do another backup of that, then install mythtv 0.26 and then do another full restore from the .24-fixes backup? |
| [00:21:48] | wagnerrp: | normal CFRP layups done at atmospheric pressure are only around 50/50 |
| [00:21:55] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: s/make sure everything is working/run mythtv-setup and make sure it doesn't give any errors/ |
| [00:22:36] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: there's no reason to run any 0.24-fixes program other than mythtv-setup... you don't need to get 0.24-fixes working--only need to use its mythtv-setup to upgrade your schema to a version that 0.26-fixes knows about |
| [00:22:53] | wagnerrp: | you wind it, cook it, cut it, and grind it down to balance |
| [00:22:58] | wagnerrp: | it's a very simple process |
| [00:23:17] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, im sorry, this is confusing |
| [00:23:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so that was a "non-flexible" flywheel? |
| [00:23:48] | wagnerrp: | no, this was just a shield for high speed rotating parts |
| [00:24:01] | mzb: | downgrade, import, upgrade |
| [00:24:06] | wagnerrp: | we sold them to some company that used them on gas turbines |
| [00:24:26] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: yeah, I understand... it's definitely not the preferred approach to upgrade--skipping 5 versions in the future puts a lot of risk in the process, and means you have 5 versions of "release notes" warnings/gotchas/todos that you'll have to figure out |
| [00:24:29] | wagnerrp: | in the event of a failure, you wanted something strong and robust to contain those rotating parts |
| [00:25:01] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, if you were on 0.21-fixes, you were on 8.04 right? |
| [00:25:04] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: but it's a straightforward process once you understand it... just hard to understand if you don't work with mythtv data a lot |
| [00:25:19] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, i was on mythbuntu 10.04.4 |
| [00:25:42] | wagnerrp: | the real trouble with a flywheel is energy losses in the conversion |
| [00:25:45] | ubuntuaddicted: | i didn't think going from an LTS release to an LTS release would be so bad |
| [00:25:52] | wagnerrp: | with a battery, it's AC->DC->AC |
| [00:25:54] | sphery: | glad tgm4883 is here... he'll be very helpful at figuring out how to get from there to here (i.e. what versions to use and such) |
| [00:26:09] | wagnerrp: | with a flywheel, it's AC->DC->AC->mechanical->AC->DC->AC |
| [00:26:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: interesting |
| [00:26:34] | mzb: | ubuntuaddicted: ubuntu's LTS release schedule != mythtv's |
| [00:26:35] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, you didn't. If you were running 0.21 on 10.04, then YOU did something to do that. 10.04 didn't have 0.21, it shipped with a 0.23 beta |
| [00:26:53] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: are you sure you have 0.21 database? |
| [00:27:02] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: what's the name of your .sql.gz file? |
| [00:27:26] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, mythconverg-1254–20130415084453 |
| [00:27:38] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, 0.21 was in no way available on 10.04 from the Mythbuntu team |
| [00:28:11] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: 1254 = 0.23-fixes schema version |
| [00:28:25] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: = congrats, you don't have to worry about any of this... |
| [00:28:34] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, before I installed ubuntu 12.04.2 and was still running 10.04.4, I did a sudo aptitude show mythtv-backend it showed 0.21+fixes mythbuntu something or other |
| [00:28:44] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: just do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database , then run mythtv-setup from 0.26-fixes |
| [00:29:21] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: just do the restore and run mythtv-setup and you may be pleasantly surprised |
| [00:30:09] | tgm4883: | sphery, pm? |
| [00:30:30] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: and since you have a backup, the worst-case scenario is that the upgrade will fail and you can always re-restore the backup once you figure out the right process |
| [00:31:07] | sphery: | tgm4883: sure |
| [00:32:05] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, oops, i was running 0.23.1+fixes26863–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2 |
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| [00:33:33] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: cool, will make things much easier for you |
| [00:34:35] | mzb: | none of mythutil or mythtranscode functions appear to update the filesize in the db. Do I need to do this manually? |
| [00:35:15] | ubuntuaddicted: | ok, so from where I am at right now. I have mythbuntu 12.04.2 and mythtv 2:0.25.2+fixes.20120802.46cab93–0ubuntu1. I already went into mythtv setup and set everything up. do I just perform ythconverg_restore.pl --drop_database --create_database --filename mythconverg-1254–20130415084453.sql.gz |
| [00:35:19] | mzb: | (aiming for a cronjob that performs lossless transcodes if a cutlist exists) |
| [00:35:57] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, note that doing that will blow away the stuff you just did in mythtv-setup |
| [00:37:24] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, i am merely trying to get my recordings back into mythtv and my recording schedules, don't I do a full restore for that? |
| [00:37:37] | ubuntuaddicted: | sorry I am so confused |
| [00:38:19] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, well a full restore would be the recommended way, IIRC there is a way to restore just some tables, but I wouldn't help with that |
| [00:39:27] | ubuntuaddicted: | dang it, i installed a non-pae kernel and now my window-manager won't start. i am running nvidia-96 module |
| [00:39:55] | ubuntuaddicted: | i thought installing a kernel after an nvidia driver install it would automatically make the module for every kernel? |
| [00:42:03] | sphery: | mzb: you need to do a seektable rebuild |
| [00:42:20] | sphery: | mzb: mythcommflag --rebuild will... not sure about the other duplicates of it |
| [00:43:18] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted / tgm4883 : even a partial restore will erase all of the configuration done in mythtv-setup (and mythfrontend) |
| [00:43:44] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: meaning if you want to get your recordings/history into MythTV's database, you'll lose the "practice" configuration you just did in mythtv-setup |
| [00:44:02] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: that said, now you know the process/what to change, so it should be quick and easy :) |
| [00:44:22] | sphery: | ("it" = running mythtv-setup and re-doing the configuration you just did) |
| [00:45:19] | mzb: | thanks sphery ... I'd actually commented the --rebuild part of my script ... and I'd forgotten why. That must have been the reason. |
| [00:46:29] | sphery: | mzb: I hope to clean up the mess of redundancy that's mythtranscode --buildindex/mythcommflag --rebuild/<it's not transcoding nor commflag'ing, so why isn't it in mythutil> user interface |
| [00:46:40] | sphery: | just need to make some time for it |
| [00:47:07] | mzb: | no hurry ;) |
| [00:47:28] | mzb: | the 3TB drive will keep me going for a while ;) |
| [00:47:42] | mzb: | until I discover a new way to fill it faster ;) |
| [00:48:10] | mzb: | eg: should be getting fibre before Christmas! |
| [00:48:23] | mzb: | (assuming they keep to schedule, and their map is correct) |
| [00:48:56] | mzb: | I'm within the current build area by about 4–5 houses. If that's wrong I'll probably be waiting years :/ |
| [00:50:00] | sphery: | mzb: nice... I still haven't gotten a 3TB (and am wondering if I'll have problems with any of my drive controllers--I still have some relatively old mobos) |
| [00:50:07] | sphery: | at least older than 3TB HDDs |
| [00:51:20] | mzb: | my mythtv MBE is on an Asus M5A88-V EVO so no problems there. The only issue I had was having to used parted instead of fdisk |
| [00:51:38] | mzb: | ie: GPT vs MSDOS partition label/table |
| [00:53:04] | sphery: | yeah, I'm not yet using GPT on any of mine, either |
| [00:53:10] | sphery: | not even sure if my bios'es support it |
| [00:53:24] | sphery: | anyway, it feels like it's about time for me to find out |
| [00:53:31] | sphery: | (meaning it feels like it's about time for a HDD failure) |
| [00:53:52] | sphery: | so I'll probably be buying a replacement before long |
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| [00:58:06] | mzb: | yeah, my old 750GB IDE drive appears to be on it's way out, just as I got the 3TB :/ |
| [00:59:21] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, tgm4883 thanks for the help guys. sorting out the nvidia-96 issue so I have a gui then going to perform the full restore. |
| [00:59:50] | sheppard: | perfect timing? |
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| [01:11:20] | wagnerrp: | yikes... bioshock requires 17GB of storage |
| [01:16:13] | ubuntuaddicted: | hmmm, mythconverg_restore.pl isn't a command |
| [01:16:23] | wagnerrp: | no, it's a perl script |
| [01:16:35] | Korny: | evening |
| [01:16:38] | Korny: | hmmm bioshock, |
| [01:16:48] | Korny: | evening wagnerrp |
| [01:16:54] | wagnerrp: | evening |
| [01:17:06] | wagnerrp: | nvidia-96? like the old legacy drivers? |
| [01:17:20] | Korny: | 1 more weekend of this overnight crap then I get to work m-f 9–5 :) |
| [01:18:23] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, yes, i know my GFX card is ancient |
| [01:18:49] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, it's an old GeForce4 MX 440 |
| [01:19:19] | ubuntuaddicted: | i got that sorted, now I just need to perform the mythconverg_restore.pl I found it finally within /usr/local/mythtv/ |
| [01:19:30] | wagnerrp: | eew |
| [01:19:30] | ubuntuaddicted: | errrr, I mean /usr/share/mythtv/ |
| [01:20:07] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, it's only a backend. frontend is an original apple tv running crystalbuntu 2.0 with xbmc frodo 12.1 |
| [01:20:16] | wagnerrp: | eewer |
| [01:20:23] | ubuntuaddicted: | the PVR functionality is very awesome now |
| [01:20:56] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, FREE is much cheaper then building a frontend and besides, with the crystal hd card I can play any 1080p you probably can |
| [01:21:35] | wagnerrp: | sorta, kinda |
| [01:21:52] | wagnerrp: | no hardware decoder will ever be as robust as a good software decoder |
| [01:23:11] | ubuntuaddicted: | i am not that knowledgable about that but I would think hardware decoding would be way more robust, way more power, NO? |
| [01:23:45] | wagnerrp: | it's hard coded, and they can't possibly hard code every possibility in the codec without having an impossibly gigantic chip |
| [01:23:56] | ubuntuaddicted: | like I said, I thankful that CB2.0 exists and it can breath life back into hardware I got for free |
| [01:24:01] | wagnerrp: | so they make concessions, and only support the most common versions of the codec |
| [01:24:11] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, oh, makes sense |
| [01:27:51] | ubuntuaddicted: | ok, it said database restore was successful but when I try to access mythweb this is what I get. Fatal Error !!NoTrans: SQL Error: Unknown column 'future' in 'where clause' [#1054]!! |
| [01:34:19] | ** Korny still has bad taste in his mouth from the last time he tried xbmc ** | |
| [01:36:27] | ubuntuaddicted: | Korny, how recent was that? |
| [01:36:37] | ubuntuaddicted: | 12.1 Frodo is amazing |
| [01:38:05] | Korny: | Fairly recently, it was frodo. THe guide was really slow and unresponsive |
| [01:38:31] | ubuntuaddicted: | gosh darn it, i tried the frontend and it says my database schema is old and I need to run mythtv-setup but the frontend keeps trying to restart leaving my system low on memory since I ony have 256MB RAM. arggghhhh |
| [01:38:54] | ubuntuaddicted: | Korny, oh, for live tv? i don't use it for live tv. i don't watch live tv. lol |
| [01:39:03] | wagnerrp: | why would that leave your system low on memory? |
| [01:39:11] | wagnerrp: | once it closes, it releases all the memory it once held |
| [01:39:23] | Korny: | ubuntuaddicted: even trying to watch recordings was painfully slow to list |
| [01:39:24] | wagnerrp: | making it available for the next iteration |
| [01:42:09] | ubuntuaddicted: | Korny, uhhh. even on this ancient hardware I don't notice any slowness |
| [01:42:33] | wagnerrp: | you likely don't have a large list of recordings for it to parse |
| [01:42:33] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, it keeps trying to restart the frontend |
| [01:43:10] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, i dont know. i have recordings back to 2011 but in the grand scheme you're probably correct. maybe 200 or something |
| [01:43:13] | ** Korny is sitting on over 500 recordings at the moment ** | |
| [01:43:35] | Korny: | I have so many shows that keep the last 10 episodes just for background noise lol |
| [01:44:04] | ubuntuaddicted: | wow |
| [01:44:18] | ** mzb is looking forward to an Android *something* that works well on the Android mini-pc's ... atm that's pretty much XBMC ... but it's buggy and massively over-complicated for what I want ** | |
| [01:44:41] | Korny: | Shows like Alaskan troopers, I don't keep every episode, but if I want mindless drivel |
| [01:44:59] | mzb: | ie: so that the Android sticks I've given to relatives for our skype network can also be used to remotely watch my mythtv recordings |
| [01:45:42] | mzb: | actually ... come to think of it ... that's probably not within the (Australian) law |
| [01:45:56] | Korny: | I've been pretty happy using emit to watch mythtv recordings |
| [01:46:01] | mzb: | as it's not being recorded by the end user (directly) ? |
| [01:46:02] | Korny: | using mythlink |
| [01:46:08] | wagnerrp: | android systems locally? or remotely on relative's systems? |
| [01:46:28] | Korny: | And emit does have an android client >:) |
| [01:46:56] | mzb: | remote android systems |
| [01:47:33] | wagnerrp: | at least the way US law is written, the content is only for you and your household (and whoever else might be in the room to view it at the time) |
| [01:47:46] | wagnerrp: | it makes no ruling on where it can be watched, merely who can watch it |
| [01:47:51] | mzb: | I suspect that you could claim that the remote user is using the system to record their own shows |
| [01:48:04] | clever: | i was just thinking of looking at using the rpi as a hardware transcoder/streamer for my android |
| [01:48:22] | mzb: | I doubt it'd have enough power |
| [01:48:26] | clever: | its got both hardware decode and encode, so it could out-do a desktop |
| [01:48:41] | ubuntuaddicted: | there's raspbmc |
| [01:48:47] | Korny: | meh it doesn't take much cpu to transcode mpeg2 |
| [01:48:53] | ubuntuaddicted: | it's a great little media center for the raspberry pi |
| [01:48:59] | Korny: | my i3 does it without breaking a sweat |
| [01:49:04] | ubuntuaddicted: | same developer as crystalbuntu |
| [01:49:19] | clever: | Korny: and i plan to have the transcoding system as a portable one |
| [01:49:19] | mzb: | the Android sticks are only marginally more expensive and massively more powerful ... I paid $29 for a dual core RK3066 |
| [01:49:29] | ubuntuaddicted: | for $35 US dollars the Pi is pretty darn awesome |
| [01:49:36] | clever: | using an android tablet as the actual playback device |
| [01:50:00] | Korny: | clever why not just use emit or a program like it on the backend? |
| [01:50:16] | clever: | not planning to stream purely mythtv content |
| [01:50:32] | mzb: | mythlink works for 0.26? |
| [01:50:45] | Korny: | mzb: yes |
| [01:51:24] | wagnerrp: | why use emit when mythtv has a built-in HLS server? |
| [01:51:48] | wagnerrp: | ubuntuaddicted: your old original AppleTV is considerably more capable |
| [01:51:49] | Korny: | Its been more stable for me |
| [01:52:05] | Korny: | plus it allows me to access my movie storage |
| [01:52:22] | wagnerrp: | HLS works with the video library too |
| [01:52:23] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, hence why i didn't buy a Pi for my frontend |
| [01:52:26] | wagnerrp: | (i think) |
| [01:52:37] | ubuntuaddicted: | what's a HLS server? |
| [01:52:50] | wagnerrp: | HTTP Live Streaming |
| [01:52:53] | Korny: | wagnerrp: plus the client in bundled with services SUCKS for seeking |
| [01:53:11] | wagnerrp: | true, but an android system should have its own client |
| [01:53:12] | Korny: | where as the emit client I can seek |
| [01:53:33] | Korny: | I'm using emit to stream to my laptop when I'm traveling as well |
| [01:54:18] | clever: | Korny: does it also transcode? |
| [01:54:40] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, but if you have mythweb secured I thought it doesn't work because no browser player interacts with the password prompt. at least I recall that used to be a problem |
| [01:54:56] | ubuntuaddicted: | or are you talking about something other then streaming thru mythweb |
| [01:55:02] | Korny: | ubuntuaddicted: different feature, connect to 6544 on your backend |
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| [01:55:40] | mzb: | I'm planning on a VPN (with VPN client on remote sticks) so hoping to avoid that |
| [01:56:21] | Korny: | clever: yes, you can setup bitrate(audo and video), video width and streaming type HLS or RTSP |
| [01:56:35] | clever: | neat |
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| [01:57:00] | ubuntuaddicted: | am I screwed if i get an error that it couldn't upgrade the database schema? |
| [01:57:37] | ubuntuaddicted: | i did a full restore from 0.23+fixes into 0.25+fixes |
| [01:57:59] | Korny: | I'm not a db guy |
| [01:58:51] | ubuntuaddicted: | here's the end of the log file: http://pastebin.com/s6UXnqRa |
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| [02:00:12] | mroe: | Looking at the wiki (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythfilldatabase) there is mention that mythfilldatabase is 'automatically' run every 24 hours. Where is that implemented? |
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| [02:01:26] | wagnerrp: | in the housekeeper code, in mythbackend |
| [02:02:00] | mzb: | if enabled |
| [02:02:36] | wagnerrp: | mroe: what country are you in? |
| [02:02:41] | mroe: | US |
| [02:02:57] | wagnerrp: | then schedules direct will tell mythfilldatabase when it should next run |
| [02:03:04] | wagnerrp: | rather than blindly running every 24 hours |
| [02:03:14] | mroe: | and how exactly is that done |
| [02:03:20] | ubuntuaddicted: | so I am just SOL then if it couldn't upgrade the database schema. is there any way to get my recordings back into mythtv? |
| [02:03:41] | wagnerrp: | when you download the guide data from SD, part of the response will be the next time to download guide data |
| [02:06:48] | mroe: | any thoughts as to why mythfilldatabase is failing: http://paste.debian.net/249813/ |
| [02:07:30] | mroe: | my best guess is that it is related to the fact the autogen'ed passwd for the database has a '/' in it |
| [02:08:15] | mzb: | mroe: it's telling you why it has a problem |
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| [02:08:18] | wagnerrp: | i'm guessing because you're running it as root |
| [02:08:33] | wagnerrp: | meaning you don't have a ~/.mythtv/config.xml configured properly |
| [02:08:38] | wagnerrp: | and it doesn't know how to access the database |
| [02:10:07] | ubuntuaddicted: | can possibly anyone help with a database schema upgrade failure? at a minimum, can I get my recordings back into mythtv? |
| [02:11:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery would know best |
| [02:11:36] | wagnerrp: | i would just read through the code and manually walk it forward, but i don't know the "proper" way to fix such things |
| [02:13:02] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, ok, thanks for letting me know. |
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| [02:13:23] | ubuntuaddicted: | i just would hate to lose all my recording schedules but not the end of the world |
| [02:13:36] | ubuntuaddicted: | and since the recorings are still there in the folder, there has to be a way |
| [02:13:46] | ubuntuaddicted: | to import them |
| [02:13:56] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [02:14:09] | wagnerrp: | without the database, mythtv has no way of knowing what they are |
| [02:14:13] | wagnerrp: | just randomly named files |
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| [02:15:04] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, im saying at least I have a backup of a good database. maybe the jump from 0.23+fixes to 0.25+fixes was too much at once |
| [02:15:16] | mzb: | like I said at the outset: I've usually imported the data "by hand" ... it takes a while to get it right |
| [02:15:24] | wagnerrp: | it shouldn't be |
| [02:15:41] | wagnerrp: | the trouble you're having is from mythvideo getting merged into core |
| [02:15:50] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, me? |
| [02:15:51] | wagnerrp: | somehow you ended up with pre-existing tables |
| [02:16:16] | ubuntuaddicted: | hmmm |
| [02:17:07] | ubuntuaddicted: | yeah, this error? dvdinput' already exists |
| [02:17:55] | ubuntuaddicted: | what time zone is sphery in do you know? |
| [02:18:00] | ubuntuaddicted: | will he be back on tonight? |
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| [02:36:07] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: can I see the log of the failed upgrade |
| [02:41:19] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/512916#512916 (make sure you follow th einstructions exactly--including re-restoring the pre-upgrade backup) |
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| [03:04:26] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, the log is here: http://pastebin.com/s6UXnqRa |
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| [03:10:09] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, i don't have a 1264 backup file, i have either a 1254 or a 1266 |
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| [03:13:17] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: 1264 isn't important, but just happened to be the one the guy in that thread had |
| [03:13:40] | sphery: | restore the original 0.23-fixes database backup you had from before you started the upgrade |
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| [03:14:00] | sphery: | just follow the process there, but use your original DB schema version/backup |
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| [03:16:16] | ubuntuaddicted: | ok, so I am going to do a full restore of the 1254 database I have from 0.23+fixes, then straight away I delete those tables the he specified? |
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| [03:38:00] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, ok, i think things are working again. i can at least access mythweb but the thumbnails aren't showing within all my recordings tab and also, 1 of the anaolog tuners isn't showing but normally a restart fixes that. |
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| [03:42:49] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, thanks for the help |
| [03:43:04] | ubuntuaddicted: | i'll check back in tomorrow and let you know if things are all good |
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| [03:59:52] | mzb: | oh, another weird symptom I've not tracked down: when I (re)start the frontend (combined MBE, remember) it takes about 15 seconds for the first video to start playback. After that everything is fine. |
| [04:00:09] | mzb: | s/video/recording |
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| [10:21:54] | sphery: | Wow, Netflix is pretty sure it's going to get its encrypted media extensions (=DRM) in HTML5... http://techblog.netflix.com/2013/04/html5-video-at-netflix.html |
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| [10:23:20] | sphery: | either that or it will just switch from requiring Silverlight to requiring Chrome (since Google wants DRM in HTML5, too, so is implementing it, even though it's not (and shouldn't ever be) approved standard) |
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| [10:58:57] | justinh: | sphery: So long as it'll play on anything, I don't care what they do |
| [10:59:08] | justinh: | so what if users are stopped from saving/restreaming |
| [10:59:25] | wagnerrp: | it cannot play on everything |
| [10:59:36] | justinh: | might actually open up the field for people using linux for once |
| [10:59:38] | wagnerrp: | open source browsers would be unable to implement the standard |
| [11:00:01] | wagnerrp: | open source operating systems would be unable to implement the standard |
| [11:00:04] | justinh: | isn't Chrome open source? |
| [11:00:50] | wagnerrp: | it's a binary distribution of an open source operating system |
| [11:00:52] | justinh: | ah no. only 'most' of it |
| [11:01:49] | wagnerrp: | the DRM bits, and certainly the keys to the DRM bits, would not be open source |
| [11:02:11] | justinh: | I don't much care if they make them available & useable to me using Linux |
| [11:03:08] | wagnerrp: | everything from the kernel, to the X server, to the graphics drivers would have to be modified and licensed |
| [11:03:28] | wagnerrp: | think of all the effort microsoft put into their "protected media path" on Vista |
| [11:03:58] | justinh: | depends how deep they want to make the DRM. If it's just to protect the stream to stop ripping, so be it |
| [11:04:38] | wagnerrp: | the current flash DRM available on linux is hideously insecure, and we only have it because the people who want DRM don't have a clue to its implementation |
| [11:08:08] | wagnerrp: | apparently linode reset its account passwords last friday, amid rumors of a security breach |
| [11:08:13] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ^^^ |
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| [11:14:15] | wagnerrp: | tsk tsk... running your IRC client as root... |
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| [12:06:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Yeah, and the /only/ reason Netflix was using Silverlight is because it has a better DRM implementation than Flash, so the content owners required them to use it. |
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| [12:15:19] | sphery: | That said, Ian Hickson (lead editor of WHATWG specs and then and now a Google employee) said of the (Netflix, Microsoft, and /Google/) proposal for the HTML5 DRM that not only does it not provide robust protection, but the proposal is "unethical" and should not be added to the standard. — http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ht . . . eb/0274.html |
| [12:15:55] | sphery: | oh, wait, I forgot... I'm not supposed to call it HTML5, now--Ian said it's just called "HTML" and it's a "living document" |
| [12:17:09] | sphery: | http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current- . . . -this-html5? |
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| [13:24:45] | chronic1: | Hello everyone. I'm reading through the Hardware Requirements page, and wanted to make sure I'm not misunderstanding the requirments: |
| [13:26:01] | chronic1: | Recording: my capture card will likely offload much of the cpu requirements, and as long as my i/o performance is there...I shouldn't worry about my hardware too much |
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| [13:28:02] | chronic1: | *exception: transcoding video will introduce additional requirements |
| [13:29:07] | chronic1: | Playback: as long as my video card provides hardware acceleration, cpu shouldn't be a problem (especially since it will be a ~modern processor) |
| [13:34:16] | Seeker`: | for the frontend, pretty much |
| [13:34:22] | Seeker`: | for the backend, it depends |
| [13:34:46] | Seeker`: | The scheduler etc. are big queries and can take a while to run, as well as commflagging. |
| [13:35:09] | Seeker`: | For the scheduler, it depends on how many inputs / channels you have |
| [13:37:07] | chronic1: | Hopefully I'll be using Ceton card (since there are a few times where I will be recording 4 shows at once). |
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| [13:40:46] | chronic1: | I've been trying to ping the "pvr hardware database," but it might be no more (in case someone here can update the Hardware Requirements page) |
| [13:41:16] | toeb: | chronic1: how sure are you about this number? When i first started using myth is thought so to... but soon you start to record everything you might eventually want to watch someday in the far far away future and get a lot of schedule conflicts.. |
| [13:42:22] | chronic1: | toeb: yeap... thursday night example: gf(grey's anatomy -> private practice); me(person of interest); me(nfl game); me(college game) |
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| [13:42:40] | chronic1: | the first two will get recorded, but I'll be bouncing back & forth between the games while the gf is at work |
| [13:43:52] | chronic1: | I used to travel a lot for work, and it was never a problem. But as soon as I started working locally...I felt the wratch of a woman who just had her show cancelled for a football game. |
| [13:44:07] | chronic1: | 2 tuner dvr just wasn't enough for the both of us, haha. |
| [13:44:35] | chronic1: | wratch -> wrath |
| [13:45:15] | chronic1: | The other thing that has been screwing with the DVR we currently have is the scheduling shuffle going on.... |
| [13:45:52] | chronic1: | I noticed a few stations are switching to "tuner time" like schedules. The overlapping 5 minutes or so is causing recordings to conflict (which really shouldn't conflict). |
| [13:45:58] | chronic1: | "turner time" |
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| [13:51:09] | chronic1: | toeb: you use schedules direct? |
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| [14:02:05] | ubuntuaddicted: | hi guys, how are you today? i am having some small issues with thumbnails not showing up in mythweb. here's some of the recent log file http://pastebin.com/qxn2FfEc |
| [14:06:13] | chronic1: | Are the Child PIDs killed instances of mythpreviewgen? |
| [14:06:58] | chronic1: | If there is a way to do it, you may want to increase the trace level for that program...and then run another test. |
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| [14:18:26] | chronic1: | brb |
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| [16:58:13] | ubuntuaddicted: | for some reason my mythweb thumbnails aren't showing up. here's the log of the mythbackend http://pastebin.com/FM2YGAHz |
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| [16:58:39] | jm|laptop: | where does one discuss pvr.cmyth problems? |
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| [17:07:58] | ubuntuaddicted: | not sure, sorry |
| [17:08:48] | tgm4883: | jm|laptop, probably in the xbmc channel |
| [17:09:00] | jm|laptop: | kthx |
| [17:09:17] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, you might want to paste your apache logs |
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| [17:10:59] | Oleg_: | how come AUTO-SKIP ON doesn't work when a program is still in the process of being recorded? |
| [17:11:21] | tgm4883: | Oleg_, because it's not commflagged yet? |
| [17:11:41] | Oleg_: | it gets commflagged only after it finishes recording? |
| [17:11:55] | tgm4883: | Oleg_, no, you can commflag while it's recording |
| [17:12:04] | tgm4883: | Oleg_, but you've got to have a fast enough system to do it |
| [17:12:19] | Oleg_: | vdpau won't help here? |
| [17:12:27] | tgm4883: | Oleg_, no, I don't think so |
| [17:13:41] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, access or error log? |
| [17:13:51] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, probably error log |
| [17:15:36] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, here's error.log http://pastebin.com/3rrefthT |
| [17:16:25] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, yea nothing in there exciting |
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| [17:22:02] | ubuntuaddicted: | how do I remove some recordings that don't exist but myth |
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| [17:23:57] | chronic1: | tgm4883: question about commflag... Is there any "learning" in the detection? |
| [17:24:16] | sheppard: | chronic1: not from what I remember |
| [17:24:16] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, cause that first pastebin shows 1006_20101104200000.mpg is missing |
| [17:24:21] | chronic1: | Wasn't sure if any stats were contained for shows/channels/etc. to more efficiently detect commercials. |
| [17:24:42] | chronic1: | contained -> collected |
| [17:24:43] | tgm4883: | chronic1, I don't think so. By learning, you would have to manually say "this is a commercial, and here is why" |
| [17:25:11] | tgm4883: | chronic1, no, that would probably violate some ToS somewhere |
| [17:25:38] | tgm4883: | chronic1, further, different geographic areas could have different commercial length |
| [17:25:55] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, you would use the find orphans script |
| [17:26:09] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [17:29:56] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, ok, it's wants to delete about a dozen recordings but when I check one of them, I see the .mpg file sitting there in the recordings directory |
| [17:30:25] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, if it's deleting recordings, it is because it's not in the database |
| [17:30:40] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, if it's deleting records, it's because the file doesn't exist |
| [17:30:57] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, it shouldn't want to delete a file if a record exists for it in the database |
| [17:31:07] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, but I am looking at the mythweb entry within my recordings section, so it |
| [17:31:18] | ubuntuaddicted: | so it's in mythweb and the .mpg exists |
| [17:31:35] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, are you sure the record in mythweb is pointing to that file? |
| [17:32:45] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, when I inspect the element it shows the filename |
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| [17:33:22] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, can you pastebin the output of the find_orphans script? |
| [17:33:28] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, i clicked direct download and it's downloading it |
| [17:33:38] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, sure, 1 second |
| [17:34:19] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, here it is http://pastebin.com/x7D6jaWg |
| [17:34:59] | ubuntuaddicted: | the example being: 1012_20101118200000.mpg. i see it within mythweb and I also see that file within my recordings folder. BUT 1 weird thing is that the thumbnail isn't working in mythweb |
| [17:35:06] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, can you also pastebin the mythweb element you were looking at? |
| [17:36:28] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, I don't see it trying to remove 1012_20101118200000.mpg |
| [17:37:00] | tgm4883: | ah there it is |
| [17:37:02] | tgm4883: | typo |
| [17:37:14] | ubuntuaddicted: | here's the element http://pastebin.com/FPzTm1m3 |
| [17:37:53] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, do you know what line it's on? |
| [17:38:20] | tgm4883: | or the show title/subtitle |
| [17:39:13] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, are we still talking about "dell: Grey's Anatomy – Slow Night, So Long 1012_20101118200000.mpg" |
| [17:39:50] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: do you see the recording in mythfrontend's Watch Recordings? |
| [17:40:28] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, yes, still talking about greys anatomy |
| [17:40:48] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, just do a search for 1012_20101118200000 |
| [17:40:54] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, the mythweb element you pasted doesn't have that episode |
| [17:41:26] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, that doesn't exist in what you pasted |
| [17:42:05] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, sure it does, right on this line <img src="http://192.168.0.5/mythweb/tv/get_pixmap/dell . . . -1.png" width="320"> |
| [17:42:22] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, no it does not "1012_20130404200000.mpg.320x240x-1.png" |
| [17:42:28] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, read that filename again |
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| [17:42:52] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, well, sorry. I thought since it was looking for the thumbnail of the video that was it |
| [17:43:02] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, it's got all the other video metadata |
| [17:43:06] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, it's not looking for the thumbnail either |
| [17:43:26] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, 1012_2010... != 1012_2013... |
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| [17:43:48] | ubuntuaddicted: | 1012_20130404200000.mpg.320x240x-1 |
| [17:43:59] | ubuntuaddicted: | OH, sorry |
| [17:44:05] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, exactly |
| [17:44:31] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, you were trying to compare 2 filenames that recorded 3 years apart |
| [17:44:39] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, hmm, so all the metadata is there |
| [17:44:45] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, and the recording .mpg is there |
| [17:45:27] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, no, it looks like the file is there, and the DB metadata/entry is not |
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| [17:45:42] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, wait, the other way aroung |
| [17:45:53] | sphery: | again, ubuntuaddicted , do you see the episode in mythfrontend's Watch Recordings? |
| [17:45:58] | sphery: | it is the place you need to check |
| [17:45:58] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, it looks like the metadata is there, but the file is not |
| [17:46:21] | tgm4883: | so if you try to play back "Grey's Anatomy – Slow Night, So Long", it shouldn't work |
| [17:46:23] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, but it is. lol |
| [17:46:25] | sphery: | if it's not there, there's a good chance you have some corruption in your database I can help you with |
| [17:46:44] | ubuntuaddicted: | 1012_20130404300000.mpg I am looking right at it |
| [17:46:47] | sphery: | looking in mythweb tells us nothing because mythweb doesn't interpret the data correctly in some cases |
| [17:47:09] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, i am looking at my recordings directory |
| [17:47:22] | sphery: | that tells us nothing about what's in the database |
| [17:47:34] | sphery: | it only tells us you have a file |
| [17:47:39] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, that is the WRONG FILE! |
| [17:48:03] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, the file that it says is missing is 1012_20101118200000.mpg |
| [17:48:05] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, gosh darn it. SORRY again |
| [17:48:42] | tgm4883: | Whoever develops Slapping over Ethernet is going to be a rich person |
| [17:48:51] | ubuntuaddicted: | ok, i guess I have 2 issues I'd like help on. first is that some thumbnails aren't showing in mythweb. |
| [17:49:21] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, lol. i am really sorry about that. those filenames, the numbers just merge together. lol |
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| [17:50:08] | ** tgm4883 gets working on the Slapping over Ethernet protocol ** | |
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| [17:51:08] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, ok, yes. the 1012_20101118200000.mpg definitely doesn't exist in my recordings directory |
| [17:51:21] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, we know ;) |
| [17:51:26] | neufeld: | tgm4883: http://gopherproxy.meulie.net/sdf.org/0/users . . . mor/SLTP.txt |
| [17:51:35] | ubuntuaddicted: | don't know why it'd be searching for a file from 2010 though as that recording was recorded on 04-04–2013 |
| [17:52:05] | ubuntuaddicted: | so apparently I have some database corruption from going from 0.23+fixes to 0.25+fixes |
| [17:52:13] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, I...... |
| [17:52:17] | tgm4883: | asldvjapo;bdhis'djsasdbg |
| [17:52:43] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, so it's pretty safe to say that the find_orphans.py is accurate and I just delete those missing recording entries |
| [17:52:46] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, what is the title/subtitle of the episode in mythweb with the 2013 filename? |
| [17:53:07] | tgm4883: | neufeld, yes, can we get a mythtv plugin for this? |
| [17:53:22] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, sorry, what title are you looking for? |
| [17:53:31] | sphery: | 1012_20130404300000.mpg |
| [17:53:35] | sphery: | which show is that |
| [17:53:36] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, the episode title and subtitle |
| [17:53:44] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, for 1012_20130404300000.mpg |
| [17:53:49] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, from mythweb |
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| [17:54:24] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, "Grey's Anatomy: She's Killing Me" |
| [17:54:36] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, perfect |
| [17:54:59] | sphery: | wait, ... 1012_20130404300000 isn't a valid timestamp |
| [17:55:01] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, so do you want to know why it's looking for a 2010 file? |
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| [17:55:07] | sphery: | there's no 30:00:00 on my clock |
| [17:55:32] | tgm4883: | sphery, you need a bigger clock |
| [17:55:37] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, sure |
| [17:55:44] | sphery: | hehe, I could definitely use those hours in my days |
| [17:55:46] | tgm4883: | sphery, but then you need longer clock hands |
| [17:55:57] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, according to mythweb it's original airdate was 04-04–2013 |
| [17:56:10] | sphery: | yes thus the 20130404 |
| [17:56:10] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, that was a trick question. "Grey's Anatomy: She's Killing Me" isn't looking for a 2010 file |
| [17:56:28] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, "Grey's Anatomy – Slow Night, So Long" is the one looking for the 2010 file |
| [17:56:45] | sphery: | grey's anatomy she's killing me is 1365123600 |
| [17:57:01] | sphery: | which is: GMT: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 01:00:00 GMT |
| [17:57:13] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, oh, lol |
| [17:57:16] | sphery: | or, assuming Eastern Daylight Time in the US, Thu 04 Apr 2013 09:00:00 PM EDT |
| [17:57:25] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, all of this is pointing to mythtv working just fine, and this being a PEBCAK error |
| [17:57:44] | ubuntuaddicted: | PEBCAK? |
| [17:57:52] | tgm4883: | yes |
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| [17:58:01] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, it's usually an unfixable error |
| [17:58:02] | ubuntuaddicted: | basically me being dumb? lol |
| [17:58:13] | Jester86: | hey all |
| [17:58:17] | tgm4883: | to put it bluntly, yes |
| [17:58:28] | sphery: | so, if you're in the US Eastern timezone, you need to find a file: 1012_20130404210000.mpg |
| [17:58:32] | Jester86: | any of you running mythtv (FE) on a raspberry pi? |
| [17:58:46] | tgm4883: | Jester86, why would anyone want to do that |
| [17:58:56] | Jester86: | to have a $35 front end? |
| [17:59:22] | Jester86: | We have an upstairs tv that is only getting TV via OTA and its own integrated tuner |
| [17:59:30] | Jester86: | I'd like a cheap front end for it. |
| [17:59:35] | tgm4883: | Jester86, ah right, sorry. I don't know anyone running mythtv on underpowered equipment |
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| [17:59:49] | sphery: | Jester86: no, that would be to have a $35 toy hooked up to your TV that doesn't have nearly the capabilities needed to be a proper MythTV frontend |
| [17:59:51] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, ok, can we move onto the other listings that don't have thumbnails? |
| [18:00:00] | Jester86: | tgm4883, how would that be underpowered? |
| [18:00:12] | tgm4883: | Jester86, have you looked at the specs of the RPI |
| [18:00:20] | Jester86: | I used to run mythtv fe on an old p3 box |
| [18:00:38] | tgm4883: | Jester86, yes, and? |
| [18:00:45] | Jester86: | Not a whole lot but I can't imagine its worse than my first front end |
| [18:00:59] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, we could. I think there is a way to regenerate though. sphery might know |
| [18:01:10] | Jester86: | I guess I'm really curious whether or not it would work.. others online claim to use it for FE and BE |
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| [18:01:38] | tgm4883: | 700Mhz and half a gig of ram |
| [18:01:40] | ubuntuaddicted: | Jester86, look into raspbmc, it's XBMC but made just for the raspberry pi. very capable |
| [18:01:54] | tgm4883: | Jester86, your PIII might have been more powerful than that |
| [18:01:55] | Jester86: | tgm4883, how much ram do you use on your frontend? |
| [18:01:58] | ubuntuaddicted: | Jester86, and with the newest version it can access your backend |
| [18:02:14] | tgm4883: | Jester86, I've got 2GB installed. I'd have to check usage |
| [18:02:29] | Jester86: | can it handle any sort of 1080i recorded data? |
| [18:02:47] | tgm4883: | Jester86, that isn't a good question |
| [18:02:52] | Jester86: | tgm4883, if you're only using it as a frontend I doubt you're using much of that |
| [18:02:53] | tgm4883: | Jester86, so yes and no? |
| [18:03:02] | sphery: | even a 700MHz PIII would probably be at least twice the performace of a 700MHz armv6k |
| [18:03:22] | tgm4883: | Does the RPI have a mpeg2 decoder? |
| [18:03:22] | Jester86: | well I have an HD homerun and HDPVR for my HD content |
| [18:03:33] | sphery: | comparing them clock for clock is like comparing Intel's and Raspberries |
| [18:03:57] | tgm4883: | looks like it does |
| [18:04:08] | sphery: | Jester86: and frontend uses a ton of memory--for all those bitmap images in the themes |
| [18:04:19] | sphery: | not to mention the buffers for decoding and playback |
| [18:04:20] | Jester86: | yeah.. it just seems like there are a lot of articles online of people saying that it works fine then I come in here and everyone says it won't work.. yet none have tried. |
| [18:04:34] | tgm4883: | Jester86, so it will probably be slow in the menus. Playback might function fine, if you purchase the mpeg2 decode stuff |
| [18:04:39] | Jester86: | sphery do you think the ones online are using a different theme? |
| [18:04:45] | sphery: | frontend generally uses far more memory than backend |
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| [18:05:10] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, so here is a screenshot of mythweb. see the missing thumbnails? https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B9hZ6NAI47 . . . 9%2520PM.png |
| [18:05:19] | tgm4883: | There really needs to be a more powerful V2 of the RPI |
| [18:05:21] | sphery: | "It works fine" = "I'm pretending it's a frontend, when really, I'm just using it as a dumb UPnP player" |
| [18:05:23] | tgm4883: | I'd pay more for that |
| [18:05:25] | Jester86: | yeah but my original FE had 512 .. thought that was before all of the new themes |
| [18:05:36] | Jester86: | we're talking close to a decade ago now |
| [18:05:41] | tgm4883: | Jester86, that was also before 0.22 probably |
| [18:06:04] | Jester86: | Oh yeah.. |
| [18:06:17] | Jester86: | I can't remember for sure but I think it was around 2005–2006 |
| [18:06:23] | Jester86: | maybe 2004 |
| [18:06:37] | tgm4883: | so that was before the mythui rewrite |
| [18:06:39] | sphery: | unless someone has forked MythTV, created an OpenMAX video renderer, and (likely) implemented OpenMAX video decoder, I don't see how anyone could get an RPi to play anything worth playing |
| [18:07:14] | Jester86: | http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=26022 |
| [18:07:27] | Jester86: | any thoughts on that? |
| [18:07:41] | Jester86: | I admit I don't know as much as I should about this.. which is why I'm coming in here. |
| [18:07:50] | tgm4883: | "The mythtv frontend installs fine, but I like the XBMC frontend on raspbmc, so I haven't played with it too much. The backend is working great." |
| [18:07:56] | Jester86: | I need to do something b/c I am damned tired of OTA tv in bed.. |
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| [18:08:26] | Jester86: | Doesn't XBMC connect to myth BE? |
| [18:08:32] | sphery: | so they're likely not using mythfrontend (= why not get a Roku or PS3 or ... that does UPnP) and are either a) using UPnP or b) worse, using HLS (HTTP Live Streaming), which involves having their backend transcode their high-quality, high-resolution, high-definition TV to low-quality, low-resolution, low-definition video on the fly at great expenditure of CPU time |
| [18:08:48] | tgm4883: | Jester86, I can't find one video on youtube showing the mythtv frontend on a RPI |
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| [18:09:08] | sphery: | you can use the RPi as a UPnP client, assuming there's a UPnP client app for it that would work for you |
| [18:09:12] | Jester86: | tgm4883.. same issues I'm having |
| [18:09:17] | sphery: | but it's /not/ a frontend any more than a PS3 is a frontend |
| [18:09:34] | Jester86: | alright. |
| [18:09:50] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, Jester86 as I said, raspbmc is a great little media center frontend |
| [18:09:51] | Jester86: | I do have an old laptop with a broken screen.. hmm |
| [18:09:58] | tgm4883: | Jester86, so in other words, you're asking if you can do something that you've read on one web page but can't find any videos on, and the experts in this channel say won't work |
| [18:10:07] | Jester86: | perhaps I should repurpose that.. I kind of forgot about it. |
| [18:10:21] | Jester86: | tgm4883 its more than just oen website |
| [18:10:59] | ubuntuaddicted: | any help on the missing thumbnails? |
| [18:11:16] | Jester86: | tgm4883, I was just curious b/c i'm looking for the cheapest option. |
| [18:11:16] | tgm4883: | I wonder how many mythtv issues pop up from people using old broken hardware |
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| [18:11:36] | tgm4883: | Jester86, I really do want it to work for you |
| [18:11:40] | Jester86: | Though at this point I think I'm just going to repurpose the laptop with a bad screen. |
| [18:11:44] | tgm4883: | Jester86, I just don't think it will |
| [18:11:51] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: those may not be missing... at least The Voice and Modern Family are there |
| [18:12:05] | tgm4883: | Jester86, which is why I think they need to come out with a new, more powerful module |
| [18:12:28] | Jester86: | Yeah, it would be nice. What ever happened to those old Zotac? thin clients? |
| [18:12:34] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: it's possible others are, too--point to them with your mouse and if you see an outline of a black box, they're there |
| [18:12:38] | sphery: | just very black |
| [18:12:57] | sphery: | very black usually means you got the "B" image after the keyframe because your seek tables aren't right |
| [18:13:05] | Jester86: | I remember that newegg had one for <$100 a couple years ago then all of the cheap ones disappeared. I haven't looked again lately though. |
| [18:13:09] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, can you help with that? |
| [18:13:20] | sphery: | (and, yes, a couple of times things have changed such that you have to re-create those seek tables) |
| [18:13:24] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, yes, when I put my mouse on it, a box appears |
| [18:13:53] | sphery: | yeah, and going from 0.23, I think you'd get hit by that |
| [18:14:10] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, ok, is it hard to fix? |
| [18:15:15] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: you'll need to run the mythcommflag --rebuild, as described on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable , on each affected file |
| [18:15:55] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, any reason it's commercial flag related, I don't use that feature |
| [18:15:58] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: one option is to just run it on all recordings if you like |
| [18:16:00] | sphery: | it's not |
| [18:16:14] | sphery: | mythcommflag is just the tool you would use to build the seek table |
| [18:16:23] | ubuntuaddicted: | ok, i am running the optimize_mythdb.pl right now |
| [18:16:54] | sphery: | anyway, after you do that on the affected file, it will create a better preview image |
| [18:17:11] | sphery: | and, once you clear out all the cached copies of the bad one, you should be happy |
| [18:17:49] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, how would I run it on all my recordings as it appears like more are messed up then there are good ones |
| [18:18:04] | Jester86: | tgm4883... yeah I'm thinking it isn't quite worth it.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk9Sa51xNNg |
| [18:18:22] | sphery: | only way I know is to write a script that does the command once for each recording |
| [18:18:25] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, ok, it was running fine and now it's just sitting at Analyzed: `mythconverg`.`cardinput` |
| [18:18:58] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: no, it's now checking/repairing your seek table, which is a huge table, so it will take a while |
| [18:19:27] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, ok. thanks |
| [18:19:45] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, how will I clear out all the cached copies? |
| [18:19:47] | sphery: | or, maybe not... actually your channel table would likely be next |
| [18:19:50] | sphery: | but just let it run |
| [18:20:00] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: magic |
| [18:20:38] | sphery: | (forced refresh of mythweb page might work... if not, might need to do a: rm /path/to/recordings/*.png |
| [18:21:07] | sphery: | but be *very* careful with that, because if you don't have that ".png" or you have a space before it, you'll be very unhappy when you lose all your recordings) |
| [18:22:01] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, agreed. lol |
| [18:22:09] | sphery: | mythtv will realize that you need new previews after you rebuild the seek table, so it should recreate them automatically, but I can't guarantee that MythWeb is asking it for a new one each time--I think it does, now, but won't guarantee it) |
| [18:23:05] | sphery: | so, basically, regen the seek table on one specific recording that has a black/blank/mostly-blank preview and then hit Shift-F5 in the browser window and see if it gets a better one |
| [18:23:09] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, ok, optimization all done. now I have to run the mythcommflag --file %FILE% --rebuild on all the ones affected |
| [18:23:15] | sphery: | or Shift Refresh if using Internet Explorer |
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| [18:23:32] | sphery: | if that works, then run --rebuild on all the recordings |
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| [18:24:27] | ubuntuaddicted: | i think I am going to create the userjob so that userjob will show up in mythweb |
| [18:24:38] | ubuntuaddicted: | then i can just click it for each file affected |
| [18:25:58] | sphery: | that would work |
| [18:26:20] | sphery: | it shoudl only take a minute or 2 on each recording |
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| [18:26:41] | sphery: | on any decent hardware, you'd be limited by the hard drive |
| [18:26:56] | sphery: | but with the user job, you can queue up a bunch of them, so you don't have to actively wait |
| [18:29:46] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, something weird is happening everytime I open mythweb and then the recordings tab, a dialog pops up that says "WARNING: No Matching Program Found. Showing all programs" is there a way to clear that? |
| [18:31:20] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: in the top, there's a drop down box for filtering on just one series... select anything in that other than what's currently selected, then let it load the page, then select whatever you want to see |
| [18:31:31] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, does the queue start on it's own? |
| [18:31:47] | sphery: | basically, you had selected a show you used to have and now you've deleted all episodes of that show |
| [18:32:07] | sphery: | and, yes, it will--assuming you've enabled the user job on at least one backend |
| [18:32:27] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, yeap, that was the problem, fixed that. thanks |
| [18:32:33] | sphery: | and by "enabled" I mean you've specifically checked the "Allow job 1 on <hostname>" box |
| [18:32:39] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, oops, enable the user job? lol |
| [18:32:41] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup I think |
| [18:35:59] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, yes, i found it within mythtv-setup. i made the userjob but i forgot to check the box for allowing it on the backend. |
| [18:38:03] | ubuntuaddicted: | WOW, it's almost brought this ancient dell dimension 8200 to it's knees. lol |
| [18:38:58] | ubuntuaddicted: | i only have 3118k of RAM free |
| [18:42:03] | ubuntuaddicted: | one last question, how do i ensure that when I click livetv on a frontend or when using cmyth within xbmc that it's storing the livetv recording on the livetv storage group drive |
| [18:45:37] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, ok, it says the user job is finished but i still have a black thumbnail |
| [18:52:22] | tgm4883: | ugh live tv |
| [18:52:37] | tgm4883: | You would have to check the live tv storage drive for the file I guess |
| [18:53:33] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, yeah, that's what I did and there was no file there. i added the directory to the live tv storage group |
| [18:54:04] | tgm4883: | ubuntuaddicted, is that the only directory in the live tv storage group? |
| [18:54:47] | ubuntuaddicted: | i can't figure out this thumbnail issue. it's showing up when I click the file within mythweb BUT not in the overall listing page. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ztsD3_PwfC . . . 3%2520PM.png |
| [18:55:06] | ubuntuaddicted: | and heres all the recordings page and I did hit shift+f5. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bK5X2Xcl4d . . . 1%2520PM.png |
| [18:55:22] | ubuntuaddicted: | tgm4883, yes, that is the only directory within the live tv storage group |
| [19:01:42] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: that's the "cached somewhere" thing I didn't know how to fix |
| [19:02:30] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, so if I do the rm of all *.png files within the recordings directory, they will get remade? |
| [19:03:00] | sphery: | (at least that's the likely cause, since you're getting a good preview when you go to details--which probably didn't have a pre-made/cached "large" preview for that show, yet) |
| [19:03:11] | sphery: | yes, they will be remade as needed |
| [19:03:26] | sphery: | it can't hurt |
| [19:03:34] | sphery: | (assuming you just delete pngs :) |
| [19:03:39] | sphery: | so worth a try. |
| [19:03:48] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, what was the command again? |
| [19:04:13] | ubuntuaddicted: | also, very weird, I just installed myth frontend within my xubuntu 12.04 install and it didn't create a menu entry. damnit |
| [19:06:13] | ubuntuaddicted: | oops, nevermind. i only installed the control-center |
| [19:06:27] | tgm4883: | I think I've gone past the knowledge of this sales engineer |
| [19:07:04] | sphery: | ubuntuaddicted: just an rm /path/to/recordings/directory/*.png |
| [19:07:20] | sphery: | .png is very important |
| [19:07:43] | sphery: | might have to sudo, depending on users/permissions |
| [19:09:24] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, ok, now I just have to wait for them to be recreated? cause they still are black. :( |
| [19:10:07] | ubuntuaddicted: | looking in the recordings directory, there are no .png files |
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| [19:18:06] | qwebirc83953: | Can anyone help me with mythcommflag and SD content? |
| [19:23:35] | ubuntuaddicted: | sphery, now all my thumbnails are black. ;( |
| [19:23:58] | ubuntuaddicted: | and I see this in the backend log: http://pastebin.com/2a8Zu9Nw |
| [19:24:18] | ubuntuaddicted: | i'll be back, have to log out and backin since my user was added to the mythtv grou[ |
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| [19:36:40] | ubuntuaddicted: | hmm, this thumbnail issue is baffling. |
| [19:36:55] | ubuntuaddicted: | i found out my live tv recordings are being stored a directory level up from where I want them. |
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| [20:09:24] | adtaylor: | I've been fighting trying to interface a mythbackend (ubuntu server) to a XBMC pvr addon (os x) for days now with no luck. Am I missing something big here? Do I also need a mythfrontend running too? |
| [20:16:50] | ubuntuaddicted: | no, what version of XBMC are you trying and what is your backend version? |
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| [20:27:15] | adtaylor: | I'm running latest XBMC and I thought I was running latest myth but I just tried to connect via mythfrontend on the mac and it says that the backend only talks in protocol 72 |
| [20:27:25] | adtaylor: | so I guess that means I'm running 0.25 |
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| [20:35:10] | ubuntuaddicted: | what does the xmbc.log show? |
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| [20:40:28] | adtaylor: | 'Failed to connect to mythtv backend' – also XBMC just displays that it can't connect to the DB |
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| [20:43:07] | chronic1: | I can't wait to get the hardware to play around with this.... |
| [20:43:26] | ubuntuaddicted: | adtaylor, are you sure you're using the correct mythtv user and password to access the database |
| [20:44:12] | ubuntuaddicted: | adtaylor, you need to look in the /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml file for the proper password. also, are you sure your backend allows for remote connections? |
| [20:44:27] | ubuntuaddicted: | i have to run, good luck. just look into those 2 issues and you should be golden |
| [20:45:00] | ubuntuaddicted: | 1. make sure your mysql database mythconverg can be accessed from an external IP address and 2. that your xbmc settings are correct for the username and password. |
| [20:45:00] | adtaylor: | ubuntuaddicted: thanks for your time :) |
| [20:45:25] | ubuntuaddicted: | no problem. just an FYI, getting help with XBMC is very slim here as many in here run a real mythfrontend |
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| [20:45:44] | ubuntuaddicted: | BUT i run XBMC so if I am on later I'll try to help. |
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| [21:12:15] | LTHorn: | Hello |
| [21:20:02] | LTHorn: | Anyone here use Comcast? |
| [21:22:13] | chronic1: | I'm looking to switch to them, and have done a little research on the subject. |
| [21:22:16] | chronic1: | Wassup? |
| [21:22:35] | LTHorn: | I'm having problems getting quite a few channels to show and I suspect it's due to Comcast's encrypting channels so that mythtv cannot decode them |
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| [21:25:12] | chronic1: | Hmm — based on the lists I've seen (and a few replies on AVS) the premium channels are copy protected, but everything else is just encrypted |
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| [21:26:18] | LTHorn: | well I have an infinitv 4 and when i used WMC i could watch channels like animal planet HD without problems, now all i get is a black screen with like a green scribble at the bottom |
| [21:26:44] | LTHorn: | or just garbly gibberish on some other channels |
| [21:27:03] | LTHorn: | there seems to be no consistency with what channels i can or cannot watch |
| [21:27:09] | LTHorn: | FXHD for example plays just fine |
| [21:27:43] | LTHorn: | I don't want to switch back to W7WMC, but if i can't watch half of what I pay for what is the point of using mythtv |
| [21:29:52] | chronic1: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/494227 |
| [21:30:42] | chronic1: | Looks like you might need to confirm the CCI info for those channels, and then reach out to comcast if it is out of sync with policy (as it can be set by region). |
| [21:32:26] | LTHorn: | how do i view the copy status of channels? |
| [21:38:42] | chronic1: | LTHorn: I'm guessing there is a hot key to provide that info OSD (or at least it should be in a log file while acquiring a signal) |
| [21:39:12] | chronic1: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton_InfiniTV_4 <-- bottom of the page shows potential values |
| [21:43:00] | LTHorn: | thanks. I'll look in to that |
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