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Saturday, April 13th, 2013, 15:24 UTC

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

I need some help

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

my recordings are getting corrupt

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mattwj2002:

I think it is because I am recording too much at once....any thoughts?

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lpx:

mattwj2002, have you done the obvious things like check the filesystem (fsck, whatever)?

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wagnerrp:

what type of tuner?

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mattwj2002:

AMD E-300 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics running only at 780 Mhz what?

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wagnerrp:

hopefully this a a low duty backend?

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mattwj2002:

hdhomerun and wintv-dcr-2650

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mattwj2002:

4 tuners

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mattwj2002:

2 per device

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mattwj2002:

yeah all it does is record

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wagnerrp:

yikes

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mattwj2002:

800 Mhz what the heck?

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wagnerrp:

i would keep a close eye on those scheduler run times, throwing a cablecard tuner and a large cable lineup on such an underpowered machine

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wagnerrp:

what kind of network?

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mattwj2002:

copper

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mattwj2002:

1 Ghz

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mattwj2002:

grr

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wagnerrp:

i mean... gigabit?

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mattwj2002:

1 Gigabit yeah

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wagnerrp:

if you were running 100mbit, i would suggest you were saturating it, and dropping packets from the HDHR

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lpx:

How come it's at 780MHz, it should be 1.3GHz, no?

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wagnerrp:

probably from Cool&Quiet

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wagnerrp:

it's idle, so it downclocked itself

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mattwj2002:

lpx that is what I saw from cpuinfo

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mattwj2002:

should I elimate one two of my tuners?

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mattwj2002:

my hdhomerun I mean

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lpx:

ok, but it's dual core... shouldn't be that much of a tuner load, surely? (sorry, I'm a newbie)

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wagnerrp:

recording isn't an issue, it's scheduling

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mattwj2002:

what do you mean wagnerrp?

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wagnerrp:

the scheduler is largely single threaded, is very intensive, and if it takes more than a minute to run, you're going to start getting complications with failed or delayed recordings

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wagnerrp:

especially with the several hundred channel cable lineup a cablecard tuner throws into the mix

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: I don't have a cablecard

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wagnerrp:

then why have a DCR-2650?

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mattwj2002:

I have 4 clear qam tuners

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mattwj2002:

because I use to have a cablecard

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mattwj2002:

I am just using it with clearqam

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mattwj2002:

the recordings have a lot of blocks in the frame

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mattwj2002:

*frames

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mattwj2002:

I think I'll cut back to just the wintv

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tonsofpcs:

do the recordings have a lot of blocks or does the playback have a lot of blocks?

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mattwj2002:

playback

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mattwj2002:

I could try on a different computer and make sure it isn't my playback system

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mattwj2002:

tonsofpcs:

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mattwj2002:

I noticed the blocks seem to appear when there are 4 recordings going on at once

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mattwj2002:

like around 5 or 5:30 pm

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mattwj2002:

if I try a recording at like 3:30 when there are only 2 recordings it seems fine

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like you're overloading something, and dropping data

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wagnerrp:

is this local or networked storage?

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wagnerrp:

it could also mean your first device is working fine

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wagnerrp:

but when you spill over onto the two tuners on the second device, those recordings have issues

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mattwj2002:

local storage

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wagnerrp:

i've got a script somewhere on the wiki that scans through your recent database logs, and tells you what input something was recording through

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wagnerrp:

maybe it's not on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

heres the old perl one that works off the file logs

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Which_recorder.pl

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wagnerrp:

it probably doesn't work with the newer logging format in 0.25+

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp:

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mattwj2002:

it is the recordings

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . _recorder.py

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mattwj2002:

I just played it on my laptop same issues

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wagnerrp:

i'm not doubting that

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mattwj2002:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

i'm saying either something is getting overloaded, trying to handle the content of four simultaneous recordings

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wagnerrp:

or... when you spill over onto the two tuners of the second device, that device itself is having issues and producing bad recordings

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wagnerrp:

presumably you have the two HDHR tuners, and then the two DCR-2650 tuners

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wagnerrp:

or the other way wround

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mattwj2002:

DCR-2650 is first wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

meaning the two tuners on one of those devices are causing problems

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wagnerrp:

if you know specifically what recordings have problems

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wagnerrp:

that script will tell you what tuners those recordings were made on

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wagnerrp:

for any recording made in the past two weeks

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wagnerrp:

(since two weeks of logs are stored in the database)

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

one second

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wagnerrp:

you can run it on any machine with the python bindings installed. it doesn't need to be your master backend

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wagnerrp:

the two scripts are actually designed to be tied into the status information system

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wagnerrp:

and its output appended to the bottom of the backend status page in mythweb

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mattwj2002:

oh it outputs to html

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mattwj2002:

one second

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wagnerrp:

no, it can output to html

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wagnerrp:

see --text and --html command line options

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mattwj2002:

I got it

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mattwj2002:

thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: did anyone ever write a multiplexer for that?

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mattwj2002:

capature card 11

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mattwj2002:

hmm

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mattwj2002:

one second

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mattwj2002:

that is my hdhomerun

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mattwj2002:

:(

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wagnerrp:

what generation?

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wagnerrp:

newer units have better tuners

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mattwj2002:

I think first

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mattwj2002:

hdhomerun dual

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mattwj2002:

the white version with dual tuners

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: what about hooking the hdhomerun directly to the pc?

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mattwj2002:

using a usb nic?

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wagnerrp:

should make no difference if you're actually on a gigabit network

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mattwj2002:

I am wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

if anything, a USB NIC may actually cause more problems than it solves

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mattwj2002:

oh yeah good point

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mattwj2002:

so what is your suggestion?

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mattwj2002:

replace the tuner?

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mattwj2002:

yeah tuner 16 (hdhomerun) is doing the same thing

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mattwj2002:

now lets see if tuners 1 and 6 is also breaking up in that timeframe

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wagnerrp:

do you have any amps in the line?

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mattwj2002:

yes I have one amp

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mattwj2002:

for all of them

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wagnerrp:

try removing it, and just using a splitter

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wagnerrp:

cable lines are already fairly high power, since they're expected to drive several devices

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mattwj2002:

oh crap

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wagnerrp:

it's possible you're running that HDHR too hot

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mattwj2002:

the hdhomerun is the issue

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mattwj2002:

okay cool wagnerrp

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mattwj2002:

I am watching a recording from the same time frame

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mattwj2002:

on the wintv tuner it is fine

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mattwj2002:

I'll have to purchase a divider or look in storage

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Oleg_:

schedulesdirect is not able to retrieve the programming guide info for channel 25.3 CUNY

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: thanks for all your help

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: are you here?

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mattwj2002:

The HDHomeRun PRIME has two clearqam tuners and one cablecard tuner right?

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gpd:

does UK freesat require a rescan? started to fail to record over last few days

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sheppard:

tried to record manually?

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sheppard:

just to make sure the cap card hasn't hung or anything silly

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gpd:

not yet – had assumed someone on here would say that rescan required...

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gpd:

looks like a kernel update / reboot might have reordered the pci cards and now one of the capture cards is not found

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lpx:

wagnerrp, I created an input per LNB and everything seems great now. :)

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wagnerrp:

you mean a video source per LNB?

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lpx:

SOrry, yes.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, not doing that would definitely cause problems

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lpx:

Apparently. :)

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bitHipy:

when I run "mode2", i get "mode2: error opening /dev/lirc; mode2: No such file or directory"

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bitHipy:

I have a /dev/lircd, but not a /dev/lirc

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bitHipy:

how do I create /dev/lirc?

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wagnerrp:

usually you have a /dev/lircN, for your various LIRC devices

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wagnerrp:

however it's possible you don't have one, and are using devinput and something in /dev/input/eventN

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wagnerrp:

i'm not sure if mode2 will work with those kinds of devices

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bitHipy:

wagnerrp: i only have one lirc device

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** bitHipy checks for /dev/input/eventN **

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wagnerrp:

why are you using mode2? that's generally only a development/diagnostic tool

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bitHipy:

wagnerrp: ultimately i need to use irrecord.. but mode2 to diagnose irrecord

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bitHipy:

wagnerrp: i have /dev/input/eventN, but all those with symbolic links are pointing to mice and keyboards

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wagnerrp:

those shouldn't be symbolic links. those should be character device nodes

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bitHipy:

irrecord gives => irrecord: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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bitHipy:

the links are in /dev/input/by-path

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wagnerrp:

and those should link back to device nodes in /dev/input/

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bitHipy:

yes.. but nothing points to anything lirc related

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wagnerrp:

what device are you trying to use?

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wagnerrp:

if there is no /dev/lircN or /dev/input/eventN, are you sure your device is even being recognized by the system?

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bitHipy:

wagnerrp: it's an iguanaworks IR transceiver (which sends signals fine.. just does not receive)

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bitHipy:

there are /dev/input/event[0–12], but I don't see what they are associated with apart from the links in /dev/input/by-path

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bitHipy:

i should add that the hardware came with test tools that show that it does in fact receive — it's just lirc that cannot receive

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wagnerrp:

the devices will be at nodes 13:64, 13:65, and so on

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wagnerrp:

look in /sys/dev/char/13:N/device

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wagnerrp:

for example... cat /sys/dev/char/13:67/device/name

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wagnerrp:

Media Center Ed. eHome Infrared Remote Transceiver (1784:0008)

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bitHipy:

nothing in there stands out.. but perhaps it cryptically named

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bitHipy:

if I do lsusb, i see that the IR device is "Bus 005 Device 006"

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wagnerrp:

then try in /sys/bus/usb/devices

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wagnerrp:

you should see something related to that

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wagnerrp:

like 5–0:6.0 or something

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bitHipy:

i have /sys/bus/usb/devices/6–0:1.0 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb6/6–0:1.0

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bitHipy:

and /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb6 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb6

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bitHipy:

those are the only lines that contain a "6"

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wagnerrp:

usb6 is the root hub

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wagnerrp:

if you're transmitting, you have to have a /dev/lircN somewhere, right?

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bitHipy:

wagnerrp: i have /dev/lircd

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wagnerrp:

lircd is just the daemon socket

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wagnerrp:

it processes and multiplexes out the signals for other applications to use

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wagnerrp:

you have to have a separate node for the actual device

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bitHipy:

wagnerrp: when I send a signal, this is logged in syslog => accepted new client on /dev/lircd; removed client

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wagnerrp:

sure, but lircd has to send it somewhere

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bitHipy:

guess i need more verbos logging

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wagnerrp:

just look at your lircd configs

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wagnerrp:

what is it configured to use to transmit?

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wagnerrp:

you probably specify the node on the command line when you run it

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bitHipy:

i run "irsend SEND_ONCE <my device> power" (for example)

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bitHipy:

my configs actually have => DEVICE=""

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bitHipy:

so no device configured.. but there is a driver reference => DRIVER="iguanaIR"

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Oleg_:

int64_t in the mythtv code is the same thing as unsigned int?

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bitHipy:

that's the only thing interesting in hardware.conf

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wagnerrp:

no, it's a long int

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wagnerrp:

if it were unsigned, it would be uint64_t

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Oleg_:

so, every time a compiler complains int64_t was undeclared, we could add typed long int int64_t to the code?

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Oleg_:

typedef

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Oleg_:

not typed

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wagnerrp:

every time a compiler complains int64_t was undeclared, it's because some system library was not properly included

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wagnerrp:

int64_t should be a standard type on any OS mythtv compiles on

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wagnerrp:

s/system library/system header/

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Oleg_:

well, adding typedef statements to the code would resolve the problem even if some library header wasn't included?

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wagnerrp:

no. adding typedef statements to the code would likely just result in other strange and inexplicable bugs showing up at some point down the line

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wagnerrp:

types should only be defined once. doing otherwise is just asking for trouble

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chronic1:

howdy

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chronic1:

While browsing the MythTV manual/FAQ, I found a link to a hardware database. Is that site still active & maintained?

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wagnerrp:

smolt?

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wagnerrp:

http://smolt.mythtv.org/

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chronic1:

wagnerrp: nah, http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/

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wagnerrp:

sounds like something from 2005 or so

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chronic1:

BRB — was hoping to get an idea on what hardware I'd need to handle the use cases (especially hoping to avoid buying something that won't do what I need it to do)

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wagnerrp:

what hardware in particular were you looking for information on?

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bitHipy:

wagnerrp: these iguanair devices might be a bit different.. iguanair has its own daemon, and lircd connects to "igdaemon", and igdaemon talks to the hardware

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wagnerrp:

you'll have to explain those special use cases

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chronic1:

quad-core i5 (3.6 GHz), 16 GB ram, HD4000 graphics (nvidia discrete if needed), 128 GB SSD for real-time, 3 TB caviar green for long-term storage, ASUS blu-ray, ceton infinitv 4 capture card

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wagnerrp:

yes. mythtv would have no trouble operating on that hardware

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wagnerrp:

assuming your cable provider was one that provided most to all of its encrypted content as drm-free

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chronic1:

Making sure that I'd be able to utilize all of the tuners without limitation on that hardware (limitation doesn't include the DRM stuff)

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chronic1:

Atl, GA (comcast)...they seem mostly copy-free at the moment

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wagnerrp:

usually all but the premiums

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chronic1:

HBO is the only premium I have, and I'll be able to use HBO GO (since the gf & I don't actually use HBO live)

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chronic1:

Damn Sunday night shift prevents any Game of Thrones watching.

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chronic1:

wagnerrp: so that hardware should be more than enough to utilize all 4 tuners at the same time? Mainly concerned about Thursday nights: Grey's; Person of Interest; College & Pro Football

[19:27:36]

wagnerrp:

digital recordings really don't take much CPU

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wagnerrp:

they're already compressed, so all you're doing is shuffling data around

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wagnerrp:

aside from batch processing (like commercial flagging and transcoding) or live streaming (more transcoding), the only thing the backend does that requires a CPU is guide data handling

[19:28:31]

wagnerrp:

it needs to be able to process new guide data in a timely manner

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chronic1:

In the case of a torc client (transcoded streamed video), would I still be ok?

[19:28:39]

wagnerrp:

it needs to be able to run the scheduler in a timely manner

[19:29:09]

wagnerrp:

and any i5 should be plenty for timely scheduler runs on even the largest lineups

[19:29:17]

wagnerrp:

especially considering your database will be on that SSD

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chronic1:

I was hoping the SSD would help with the live stuff.

[19:29:57]

chronic1:

And the recording jazz could be moved to the HD (later to be upgraded to a GigE NAS device)

[19:30:20]

wagnerrp:

it can, and it can help with recordings too, but understand that there is no built in mechanism to facilitate transferring recordings from one drive to the next

[19:30:24]

wagnerrp:

you would have to do that manually

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chronic1:

I'll write a script/batch job for that.

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wagnerrp:

is this machine sitting in your living room or something?

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chronic1:

Yes. I have a little condo...no room for a separate media closet.

[19:31:30]

chronic1:

The living room will have a mythtv backend & frontend; the bedroom will have some other client to interact with the HTPC.

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wagnerrp:

i mean normally, the only reason to bother with a NAS is so that you don't have a big box with a bunch of hard drives sitting in front of your tv

[19:31:58]

wagnerrp:

but if the NAS is going to be there as well, no reason to spend the money on a NAS, as opposed to just stuffing it all in that server

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chronic1:

But the amenities level is fairly close to my unit, and I'd be able to leach from my wifi on a treadmil.

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chronic1:

I wanted the NAS for when I move...just a purchase in advance.

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wagnerrp:

you absolutely do not want to be recording over wifi

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chronic1:

The wifi will only be for a client. All of the recording, transcoding, storing will be happening on the wired LAN.

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wagnerrp:

wifi for a client is iffy, but you at least won't be damaging recordings when your network drops out

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chronic1:

Absolutely... The ideal setup for the client will be a backend doing all of the critical processing & sending data which will be expected to fail from time to time to the end user.

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chronic1:

BRB

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Oleg_:

how do I change skins in mythtv? I am tired of the default brown skin

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wagnerrp:

in settings, in the theme chooser

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Oleg_:

oh, nice, thanks

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Oleg_:

I wonder why mythtv reverts to using the tuner it's recording some program with after I switch to a different tuner and then type the number of some channel

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Oleg_:

for example, I record 11_1, then go to sources, change input to a different tuner, so live tv changes to channel 2_1, but then I type the name of some channel, it goes back to channel 11_1 and the previous input

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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Oleg_:

if I don't type the name of channel, but use up and down arrows, it doesn't switch to the old input

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mattwj2002:

so

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mattwj2002:

the hdhomerun prime has 2 clearqam tuners and one cable card?

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mattwj2002:

or can it be three clear qam?

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mattwj2002:

weird Oleg_

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: incorrect

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mattwj2002:

which one?

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wagnerrp:

the hdhomerun prime has three tuners, that can either be routed through the cablecard, or used for clearqam

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mattwj2002:

so could you have 3 cablecard streams?

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wagnerrp:

they're all either one mode or the other, determined by whether a cablecard has been slotted into the unit

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wagnerrp:

yes

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mattwj2002:

nice

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wagnerrp:

each cablecard supports up to 6 simultaneous streams

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: I am looking at getting a different tuner

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Guest74304:

Hi, I am running v26 using an HDhomerun prime for the tuner. Some HD channels don't record, however I can tune to them via live TV and then hit 'r' and they will record. How do I track down what is going on?

[21:17:52]

wagnerrp:

the -2650 supports 2, the prime supports 3, the infinitv supports 4

[21:18:04]

mattwj2002:

infinitv?

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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mattwj2002:

the infinitv? pcie version or usb version?

[21:25:05]

mattwj2002:

oh the usb version has bad reviews

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

I am trying to decide

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mattwj2002:

-2650, prime or infinitv

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mattwj2002:

I need something with a cable card in case I have to switch to that in the future

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mattwj2002:

I see they have a 3250 now too

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Guest74304:

I haven't found anything in the wiki or via google.

[21:31:22]

mattwj2002:

on what?

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mattwj2002:

oh wait

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mattwj2002:

Guest74304: one second

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mattwj2002:

http://www.silicondust.com/support/hdhomerun/ . . . e-changelog/

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mattwj2002:

All models: Fix issue causing video glitching on some channels when used with MythTV 0.25 and later.

[21:33:11]

mattwj2002:

no idea if that is related

[21:33:19]

mattwj2002:

just thought I would pass that along

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mattwj2002:

wow quiet room this afternoon :)

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mattwj2002:

everyone must be watching tv

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mattwj2002:

:P

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Guest74304:

mattwj2002, i'll check that out, thanx

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mattwj2002:

no problem Guest74304

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mattwj2002:

I have no idea if it is your issue...just thought I would mention it

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

I am tryin to decide between 2650 or hdhomerun prime

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Guest74304:

mattwj2002, it was a good try, but the web page of my prime says it has that version

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

bummer

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Guest74304:

gotta dash, afk, bbl

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mattwj2002:

okay bye Guest74304

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mattwj2002:

brb

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mattwj2002:

I am back

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mattwj2002:

hi tlhiv_laptop

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justinh:

oh wow. my hatred for the guy I inherited this shop from has deepened even more

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mattwj2002:

what is up justinh?

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justinh:

been trying all day to find out why a module didn't wanna install.. turned out to be attributes missing from the database, normally added during an upgrade or an install.

[23:01:34]

mattwj2002:

:(

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justinh:

mind, PrestaShop have some God awful code in there. Like an if which is about 21 items (database hooks) long, all ANDed. One fails, the install fails. No indication to the user as to why

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

sounds crappy!

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justinh:

I was bored tonight & broke it down & put some echos in there..

[23:02:56]

justinh:

found the problem, inserted the missing things into the db.. and bing!

[23:02:59]

justinh:

she works now :-D

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mattwj2002:

:D

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** mattwj2002 prefers google to bing **

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mattwj2002:

;)

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justinh:

so very soon customers will be able to filter by product attributes while they're browsing

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mattwj2002:

nice justinh

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justinh:

I'm slightly worried about stuff being missing from the database though. we might just be very lucky it works at all

[23:04:43]

mattwj2002:

that is all computing though

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mattwj2002:

it is amazing this stuff works at all

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

like it might've been an update from < 1.4.5.x to 1.4.8.3 which went wrong & the only schema changes were the missing things

[23:05:13]

mattwj2002:

considering the millions of lines of code

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justinh:

HDDs fill me with awe more than any other computer thing

[23:05:41]

mattwj2002:

in what regard?

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justinh:

the forces involved, and the (apparent lack of) finesse in the mechanics

[23:05:55]

mattwj2002:

I hear that

[23:06:11]

mattwj2002:

Trillions of bits in one hd

[23:06:22]

mattwj2002:

quite impressive

[23:06:30]

justinh:

like you're winging a massive crane across the top of a car park at 2000mph, and stop to pick up a grain of rice

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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justinh:

mind, the whole electrons travelling across gaps thing that transistors do.. I never really *got* that

[23:07:56]

justinh:

I guess chips & all that are pretty awesome too

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mattwj2002:

justinh: you know what I like?

[23:08:16]

mattwj2002:

raspberry pis for mythtv frontends

[23:08:21]

mattwj2002:

using openelec

[23:08:29]

mattwj2002:

it actually works quite well

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justinh:

if it actually works, yay

[23:09:04]

justinh:

I don't like XBMC much

[23:09:24]

justinh:

I've still got my pi, somewhere

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mattwj2002:

justinh: I have watched a lot of video on mine

[23:09:53]

mattwj2002:

did you buy the codecs?

[23:09:59]

mattwj2002:

the codecs make or break it

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justinh:

no, I didn't.

[23:10:27]

justinh:

I've never seen video output from mine

[23:10:30]

justinh:

prolly never will

[23:10:43]

justinh:

connected power, network.. and my IR blaster

[23:10:56]

justinh:

homebrewed IR blaster, mind

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mattwj2002:

justinh: I can get 1080i out of it with the codecs

[23:11:11]

mattwj2002:

not much without

[23:11:43]

mattwj2002:

it actually works as a better video decoder than my backend

[23:11:44]

mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

how's the UI though?

[23:12:42]

justinh:

last time I saw XBMC on a pi it was... not quite fluid

[23:12:43]

mattwj2002:

the UI is good

[23:12:55]

mattwj2002:

not perfect

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mattwj2002:

I won't lie

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mattwj2002:

but it works well enough that I have considering getting another pi or two for my other tvs

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justinh:

every time I go to try XBMC on a PC it bloody crashes. I've yet to see whether it can actually work as a reasonable frontend in terms of navigating things to watch

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justinh:

if it's one big long list or bust, it'll never figure

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mattwj2002:

justinh: the codecs make a different and openelec over raspbmc makes a different too

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mattwj2002:

*difference

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justinh:

yes, but just browsing content with xbmc on my laptop, say.. is awful

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justinh:

I've never known a program fall over so much

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mattwj2002:

I don't know

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justinh:

note it may not have actually hung, but if I have to wait 30s for anything to happen I'll be damned

[23:15:35]

mattwj2002:

it works well for me....maybe not for everyone :)

[23:16:00]

mattwj2002:

I do need a wireless keyboard

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justinh:

anyway, we've not got a HDTV

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mattwj2002:

O.o

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mattwj2002:

this is 2013 not 1993 :P

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justinh:

:-P

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justinh:

people prone to throwing away perfectly working things in 1993 too?

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mattwj2002:

is your TV even in color ;)

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mattwj2002:

I agree justinh

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mattwj2002:

if you don't mind a CRT

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justinh:

I made the move to 16:9 early on, but HD doesn't have much to offer me

[23:17:17]

mattwj2002:

there are some amazing used TV available

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mattwj2002:

good will

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justinh:

we'll have to wait til the kids are older anyway

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justinh:

there's no knocking a 32" CRT over

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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justinh:

or if they do, they dead, baby

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mattwj2002:

O.o

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justinh:

I mean if it lands on em

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mattwj2002:

I got it

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justinh:

mind, there was a story in the press over here not long back where a woman DROPPED an LCD TV onto her baby

[23:19:02]

justinh:

baby died :-/

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mattwj2002:

poor kid :(

[23:19:15]

justinh:

she was off her nuts on crack or somesuch

[23:19:42]

mattwj2002:

stupid people!

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justinh:

tell you.. those kind of stories used to appall me before i had kids.. now I just feel sick to the stomach

[23:20:05]

mattwj2002:

that makes sense

[23:20:08]

justinh:

anyway.. no HDTV for us til the CRT dies

[23:20:17]

justinh:

might not be long, I dunno

[23:20:23]

** mattwj2002 buys justinh a Wii **

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mattwj2002:

;)

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mattwj2002:

have you seen those videos?

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justinh:

we have one. It's only spent about 6 months out of its box

[23:20:48]

mattwj2002:

people putting holes in their TVs

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justinh:

the bleep bloop UI does my HEAD in

[23:21:04]

mattwj2002:

yeah my Wii is not in use either

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justinh:

if there's ANY way you can turn that stuff off I need to know

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justinh:

printing stuff onto the screen a character at a time while going "bloop bleep bloop bloop" is NOT nice

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mattwj2002:

mario? :P

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justinh:

all the games I've seen do that

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mattwj2002:

weird

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mattwj2002:

sounds like some sort of defect

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mattwj2002:

yeah justinh I need another mythtv tuner

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justinh:

no, the whole Wii UI is for idiots or something

[23:23:00]

mattwj2002:

my hdhomerun finally is dieing

[23:23:12]

justinh:

the bleep bloop sounds are just... gah.

[23:23:17]

mattwj2002:

hehe

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louisdk:

Hi. I'm planning om moving my backend to another machine. From a combi fe/be ubuntu to a single be debian. Is it possible to export the channel info from the old be to the new one?

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mattwj2002:

I am not sure if I want a hdhomerun dual or a wintv-dcr-2650

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mattwj2002:

or a prime but a prime is more than I want to spend

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justinh:

those things not have like.. warranty & stuff?

[23:25:16]

mattwj2002:

justinh: I doubt mine does

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mattwj2002:

I have had it for years literally

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justinh:

is all that stuff so old already? Wow

[23:25:55]

mattwj2002:

one second

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mattwj2002:

let me check

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justinh:

I'm getting to the point where if I have to spend more than 2 years' subscription costs on capture hardware.. I'll just go with the propriatary tech

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mattwj2002:

oh my goodness

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mattwj2002:

I bought it in 2007 :)

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justinh:

heh

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mattwj2002:

$170 usd

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mattwj2002:

wow I can't believe that

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mattwj2002:

yeah I'll call them and see if they'll replace it

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mattwj2002:

;)

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mattwj2002:

jk

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mattwj2002:

yeah I have this tuner from the middle of last decade will you replace it

[23:28:58]

mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

I might as well ask them for a replacement for my wintv-pvr-500

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justinh:

they're talking about making everything currently FTV over here pay to access :-(

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justinh:

and I can bet there'd be no CAMs fer it

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mattwj2002:

that is like here

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mattwj2002:

FCC last summer approved pulling clear qam if the cable providers want

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mattwj2002:

so far I still have it

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mattwj2002:

that is why I am looking at tuners with cable cards

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mattwj2002:

justinh: what bad thing about openelec

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mattwj2002:

probably the worse part

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mattwj2002:

the program list doesn't update unless you restart the box

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mattwj2002:

the box being the pi not the backend

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mattwj2002:

that is only for the recordings not live tv

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justinh:

eew

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mattwj2002:

yeah isn't that a nasty bug?

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wagnerrp:

presumably you could just restart the application, not the whole box

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mattwj2002:

true

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: it makes a good frontend otherwise :)

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wagnerrp:

that's debatable

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mattwj2002:

of course maybe I should rephrase that

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mattwj2002:

I like it as a frontend

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mattwj2002:

it is amazing a $35 computer can play video like this

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Sunday, April 14th, 2013

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justinh:

considering your cable STB has less CPU power inside, likely.. not really amazing :-)

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justinh:

remember that a good proportion of tha $35 is the cost of the SoC

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mattwj2002:

SoC?

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mattwj2002:

summer of code?

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justinh:

system on chip

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mattwj2002:

oh yeah got

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mattwj2002:

ya

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wagnerrp:

right. the GPU, memory controller, and various IO controllers cost more than the ARM core

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mattwj2002:

yeah to be honest

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justinh:

the same or very similar SoCs are probably inside many a network media tank/player/STB

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mattwj2002:

the case, power supply, ethernet cable, and hdmi cord cost more than the pi....not to mention the keyboard and mouse

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wagnerrp:

no. i mean the licensing and production of that ARM core probably amounted to $0.75

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justinh:

and yet, as far from perfect as openelec & raspbmc are, they're still zillions of times better than other embedded products

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mattwj2002:

why are ARM processors so cheap?

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wagnerrp:

because there's nothing to them

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justinh:

you buy a license to make em

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wagnerrp:

i would be surprised if there are even 10M transistors dedicated to that ARM core

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mattwj2002:

O.o

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wagnerrp:

there's easily several times that in the embedded GPU

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justinh:

it does well for what it is, but I'd never stake anything on it being 'best frontend evah'

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justinh:

for price, for size... for power.. maybe

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justinh:

performance-wise.. nah

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justinh:

mind, I'd like to see the gap bridged somewhat

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clever:

ive yet to even try to run a frontend on my pi, and omxplayer cant seek the mpg files from a pvr150

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mattwj2002:

I never was sayin performance wise

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mattwj2002:

I mean for the price

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justinh:

for the price, no argument

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mattwj2002:

even a used desktop would not be as good for the price

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justinh:

it'll be loads better than a networked media play costing several times as much

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clever:

i'm sure you can get cable company DVR level performance out of an rpi, for a much better price

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clever:

but getting the same performance as mythfrontend on modern hardware, wont be as easy

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justinh:

yeah but.. by the same token I've got a blimmin C2D in my frontend, and it's absolutely wasted most of its life

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clever:

i REALLY need to make time to upgrade things, Library API : 0.23.20100404–1

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justinh:

anyway.. I'm beat. All this php hacking has made me tired

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clever:

i'm still running a pre-git version of myth....

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mattwj2002:

pre-git version?

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mattwj2002:

you haven't uploaded the changes yet?

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clever:

back when the project was still svn only

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

oh my

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mattwj2002:

time to upgrade :D

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clever:

topic says stable release is 0.26.0, and ive only got 0.23, looks like a 2010 release

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

clever: what type of tuners?

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clever:

pvr-150, single tuner

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wagnerrp:

i'm having a tough time figuring out just how many transistors are in an ARM11

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wagnerrp:

ARM9 is only 111K transistors

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wagnerrp:

ARM11 may well be only a few hundred thousand

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mattwj2002:

only 111k?

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mattwj2002:

O.o

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wagnerrp:

note, that's just the core

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mattwj2002:

oh

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wagnerrp:

it doesn't include the memory controller, IO controllers, graphics, or any of the other bits that make up a SoC

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clever:

from how it works and behaves, it seems that the GPIO on the rpi is effectively running at FSB speeds

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clever:

its memory mapped io, so everything has to miss the L1/L2 cache, then cross over to a slower clock domain

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wagnerrp:

that's why that 700MHz ARM11 core in your Pi is only equivalent to a 250MHz P2 from 15 years ago

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wagnerrp:

far fewer transistors mean it's doing far less work per cycle

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mattwj2002:

that makes sense

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clever:

my old master backend was a ~300mhz P2!

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clever:

reschedule sucked, 30 seconds or more

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clever:

and oddly, when i removed the pvr-150, it lost the ability to detect all the drives

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clever:

1/3 would always vanish on bootup

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mattwj2002:

if I had a 300 Mhz P2 to play 1080i video I would use that too

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

if it worked

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mattwj2002:

for my needs

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clever:

no hd capture cards, it had only just enough to software decode 480i mpeg2

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clever:

under some conditions (nfs livetv), it was unable to decode due to minor bugs inflating cpu usage

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sheppard:

lol

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sheppard:

300mhz p2 playing 1080i

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sheppard:

best of luck

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clever:

basicaly, nfs + livetv means the mod-time on the file keeps changing (appending to it)

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sheppard:

I remember my p3 550 katamai having issues with high bitrate xvid

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clever:

that constantly nukes the read-ahead cache

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clever:

forcing the nfs client to eat MANY times the needed bandwidth/cpu

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clever:

with decent hardware, you dont notice it

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mattwj2002:

sheppard: I don't even have a p2 anymore

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sheppard:

I have some anchient 32bit p4's in my basement

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Guest74304:

mattwj2002, are you still here?

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mattwj2002:

I am Guest74304

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

what is up?

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wagnerrp:

no you're not. he is

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mattwj2002:

huh?

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mattwj2002:

:P

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wagnerrp:

you're not guest74304. guest74304 is

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Guest74304:

wanted to pick up where we left off, what is the best way to debug the hdhomerun prime?

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mattwj2002:

oh

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mattwj2002:

haha

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mattwj2002:

I meant

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mattwj2002:

I am here Guest74304

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mattwj2002:

;)

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Guest74304:

Hi, I am running v26 using an HDhomerun prime for the tuner. Some HD channels don't record, however I can tune to them via live TV and then hit 'r' and they will record. How do I track down what is going on?

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Guest74304:

i guess i could try 20130413beta1, but i'd rather try logging commands in myth and/or the hr

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp:

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mattwj2002:

you would probably know better me

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wagnerrp:

don't know what might cause that one

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wagnerrp:

since live tv and schedules recordings are really the same exact thing

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Guest74304:

any suggestions or pointers to how to debug this?

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wagnerrp:

need to see backend logs

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Guest74304:

do i need to turn on logging or that type of logging?

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wagnerrp:

depends on how you ran mythbackend

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mattwj2002:

var logs?

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wagnerrp:

/var/log/mythtv/ is a good place to try

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Guest74304:

ok, i'll poke around there and see if i can figure anything out

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wagnerrp:

pastebin them

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Guest74304:

um, ok, i've never done that, i'll figure that out too :)

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wagnerrp:

if you cannot find the log files, this may be useful... https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . /pastelog.py

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mattwj2002:

http://pastebin.com/

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mattwj2002:

;)

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mattwj2002:

copy and paste

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: you are an awesome human being?

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mattwj2002:

oops

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mattwj2002:

being!

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Guest74304:

ok, afk for a while

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wagnerrp:

i wrote that for someone a few months back when i was frustrated at being unable to get any logs from them

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mattwj2002:

nice wagnerrp

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splurben:

Recenty (in Australia), one multiplex on my MythTV v0.26.0_p20130322, channels don't decode on, but captured video files play correctly in mplayer2

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wagnerrp:

need some information about your playback hardware

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splurben:

01:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 02)

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splurben:

05:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 02)

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splurben:

07:02.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev d0)

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splurben:

nvidia GT8500, and three DVB-T PCI cards,

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mattwj2002:

cpu?

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mattwj2002:

memory?

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mattwj2002:

my cpu sucks :(

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splurben:

16GB DDR3 Memory, Corei7

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mattwj2002:

oh my

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mattwj2002:

trade ya systems ;)

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splurben:

Sorry, video is Nvidia GeForce 8600GT

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wagnerrp:

that should have no trouble playing... anything..

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: I have an idea

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wagnerrp:

you're using the nvidia drivers, correct? not the nv or nouveau drivers?

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splurben:

I'm using nvidia

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mattwj2002:

when you do playback doesn't it use a different multiplex than when you play back a recording?

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mattwj2002:

maybe he only has one multiplex enabled

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splurben:

313.10

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wagnerrp:

when you play back a recording, you're not using any multiplex, because you're not actively recording anything

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mattwj2002:

I mean video that has started to record sorry

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splurben:

live tv and recorded tv don't play correctly, if I record a show and transcode it, I can view it

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splurben:

I've tried both types of cards I have, the SAA and the CX and they both do the same thing, one multiplex of 3 channels are not displayed correctly

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wagnerrp:

the only reason a livetv capture might work and a scheduled recording wouldn't is because of "quick tune"

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wagnerrp:

there is an optional faster tuning strategy that is available for livetv

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wagnerrp:

and if your channel scan is slightly wrong, one might work while the other fails

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splurben:

i turned off quick tune, but both live and recorded don't display, I can only watch things recorded from that multiplex if I transcode

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splurben:

maybe I'm not using the term multiplex correctly

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wagnerrp:

but in this case, it's not that it's having trouble tuning, right? you're recording just fine, you just aren't playing it properly?

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splurben:

I've retuned all the channels

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splurben:

recordings are fine, tuning is on slow and it's been recently retuned

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splurben:

Why would one multiplex not playback correctly? Is there a way to get MythTV to use an alternate method of playback on one multiplex?

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splurben:

I love in a small town. We have four digital station sets (2,21,22,23,24) (5,50,55) (6,62,63,64) (8,80,84,88). The channels that won't play are 8,80,84,88).

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splurben:

Am I correct when I refer to that set of stations (8,80,84,88) as a multiplex?

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mattwj2002:

splurben: what type of tuner?

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mattwj2002:

you said DVB-T?

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splurben:

DVB-T, I have a Conexant and a Phillips, I tried retuning with both.

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mattwj2002:

is 8 a weak signal? that is totally a guess

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splurben:

75% signal

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mattwj2002:

how is the symbols rates?

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splurben:

where do I find that

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mattwj2002:

I mean

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mattwj2002:

symbol quality

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mattwj2002:

I am not sure on those tuners....on an hdhomerun it shows on the client

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mattwj2002:

app

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splurben:

yes well, I see those numbers momentarily when changing channels, give me a tick

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splurben:

sn 4.8

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splurben:

signal 75%

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mattwj2002:

hmm

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splurben:

is there a way to show that information while the channel is playing, the Audio is perfect by the way

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mattwj2002:

weird

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mattwj2002:

all I was thinking was the signal was too low that it took transcoding to clean up the picture enough to play

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mattwj2002:

I think I am totally wrong

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mattwj2002:

sorry splurben I don't think I'll be much help to you

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splurben:

I've been using Mythtv since 2006 but I've never seen anything like this, it's like WIN (the station holder) has put a defective element in the signal to make 'recoreders' malfuntion

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mattwj2002:

2006?

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mattwj2002:

oh my

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mattwj2002:

that is about when I got involved in this

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mattwj2002:

I started like 2004 or 2005 I think I was in college and I graduated in 2005

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mattwj2002:

I had analog tuners back then :P

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splurben:

Well, this is my third Myth setup. I use the same machine for other services around the place as well. 4TB of online SAMBA / NETATALK storage, it's a Gentoo AMD64 box.

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mattwj2002:

nice

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splurben:

Analogue tuners were a fucking nightmare, but we only got digital here last year

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wagnerrp:

please watch your language

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splurben:

sorry

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mattwj2002:

really?

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mattwj2002:

that is crazy

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mattwj2002:

we got rid of analog a long time ago in the US

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splurben:

I'm in rural Western Australia.

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splurben:

As remote as the first world gets.

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wagnerrp:

usually only framegrabbers were a nightmare

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mattwj2002:

yeah June 12, 2009

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wagnerrp:

hardware encoders are generally painless

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mattwj2002:

ages ago :)

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splurben:

I'm really happy, but I'd love to find a way to watch multiplex 8 on my system, aside from transcoding every show

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wagnerrp:

like a BttF video wall?

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mattwj2002:

ota tv has been bad ever since especially rural areas

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mattwj2002:

bttf video wall

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mattwj2002:

haha

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mattwj2002:

even in Minneapolis OTA hasn't been real nice

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mattwj2002:

but I have a big water tower near me :(

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splurben:

What's OTA?

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mattwj2002:

over the air

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mattwj2002:

DVB-T in Australian terms

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mattwj2002:

ASTC in US terms

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mattwj2002:

*ATSC

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splurben:

Yes well, I'm near our tower, Australia only has cable in major cities.

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mattwj2002:

same here

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mattwj2002:

we have satellite in rural areas

[03:00:04]

wagnerrp:

we have cable in rural areas

[03:00:11]

wagnerrp:

that was the whole original purpose of cable

[03:00:22]

mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: that is true but only in town

[03:00:23]

wagnerrp:

tv for people in areas that can't get broadcast reception

[03:00:31]

mattwj2002:

I guess I should have been a little more clear on that

[03:00:41]

splurben:

So, can I look for anything with ffprobe to see what might be preventing these channels from playing correctly, do you want to see a sample of the video?

[03:00:52]

mattwj2002:

my family lives in the sticks

[03:01:02]

wagnerrp:

just 'dd' a 50MB chunk of it, and stick it somewhere for us to test

[03:01:12]

mattwj2002:

dd?

[03:01:16]

mattwj2002:

you can do that?

[03:01:24]

wagnerrp:

sure, it's a transport stream

[03:01:30]

mattwj2002:

O.o

[03:01:36]

wagnerrp:

it's explicitly designed that you can pick up anywhere and start playback

[03:01:37]

splurben:

yup, cool, give me two minutes

[03:02:37]

mattwj2002:

I just didn't know dd had that ability

[03:02:55]

wagnerrp:

had what ability?

[03:03:18]

mattwj2002:

to copy from a video source....it makes sense after you explained it though

[03:03:28]

mattwj2002:

I always think of dd as a disk tool

[03:03:38]

wagnerrp:

well it is

[03:03:47]

wagnerrp:

it copies one device node or file to another

[03:03:51]

wagnerrp:

that's all it does

[03:04:15]

mattwj2002:

good point

[03:04:45]

mattwj2002:

I am going to sound old fashion here but I wish we still had analog channels in the US

[03:04:48]

wagnerrp:

it's just that the TS files used for broadcast television can be split and spliced as desired with minimal ill effects

[03:05:12]

mattwj2002:

digital tv over the air doesn't work well for me

[03:05:14]

mattwj2002:

never has

[03:05:45]

mattwj2002:

and I live in a metro

[03:06:08]

wagnerrp:

with high-rises?

[03:06:54]

mattwj2002:

yes

[03:07:04]

wagnerrp:

you likely have multipath issues

[03:07:10]

splurben:

it will be finished uploading in 8 minutes, I'll post a URL then.

[03:07:14]

mattwj2002:

:(

[03:07:28]

wagnerrp:

newer tuners are better at handling that than old

[03:07:57]

mattwj2002:

maybe a newer tuner can help me

[03:08:08]

mattwj2002:

my current hdhomerun I purchased in 2007

[03:08:15]

mattwj2002:

I found the old receipt in my e-mail

[03:08:16]

mattwj2002:

:P

[03:11:01]

mattwj2002:

I have a wintv-dcr-2650 though

[03:11:11]

mattwj2002:

I haven't played much with ota on that though

[03:13:19]

wagnerrp:

or any...

[03:13:40]

mattwj2002:

any would probably be more precise yes

[03:13:57]

wagnerrp:

if you had, you would have very quickly realized it didn't do ATSC

[03:14:06]

mattwj2002:

it doesn't?

[03:14:11]

wagnerrp:

QAM only

[03:14:17]

mattwj2002:

O.o

[03:14:17]

mattwj2002:

crap

[03:14:25]

wagnerrp:

same with the Prime and InfiniTV

[03:14:41]

mattwj2002:

really crap

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mattwj2002:

new hdhomerun would be fine as long as comcast doesn't kill clearqam

[03:17:46]

splurben:

here's a link to 50MB of captured video from the channel that doesn't work http://rehost.splurben.com/mythForums/testPatch_splurben.mpg

[03:19:06]

splurben:

I'll be back in a few minutes, have to support a customer

[03:20:20]

mattwj2002:

that is weird

[03:20:25]

mattwj2002:

the quality looks good

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that's pretty nasty

[03:22:35]

wagnerrp:

worth putting something up on trac

[03:23:17]

mattwj2002:

can't hurt

[03:23:25]

mattwj2002:

wagnerrp: are you a mythtv dev?

[03:23:33]

wagnerrp:

yes

[03:23:37]

mattwj2002:

I figured

[03:23:43]

mattwj2002:

you are a smart guy :)

[03:23:58]

wagnerrp:

"[wagnerrp] (~wagnerrp_@mythtv/developer/wagnerrp): Raymond Wagner"

[03:24:07]

mattwj2002:

nice

[03:24:26]

mattwj2002:

mattwj2002: mythtv user

[03:24:28]

mattwj2002:

:P

[03:24:48]

wagnerrp:

no... i mean you type '/whois wagnerrp' and you get that

[03:24:55]

mattwj2002:

I know

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Guest74304:

thanks for your work wagnerrp

[03:25:31]

mattwj2002:

wagnerrp is awesome

[03:26:01]

wagnerrp:

splurben: do you have any traffic limits on that link?

[03:26:23]

splurben:

not that I know of

[03:26:44]

wagnerrp:

then yeah, just make a new ticket on trac, and add that link

[03:27:04]

wagnerrp:

we (jya) did a resync a few days ago in master

[03:27:15]

wagnerrp:

i need to rebuild my frontends, and i'll check that video against it later tonight

[03:27:37]

mattwj2002:

frontends?

[03:27:42]

mattwj2002:

how many do you have?

[03:27:43]

mattwj2002:

:)

[03:27:48]

wagnerrp:

three

[03:27:55]

mattwj2002:

nice how many backends?

[03:27:57]

Guest74304:

what is the best android fe solution

[03:27:58]

splurben:

sorry, no I don't have traffic limits

[03:28:03]

wagnerrp:

1.5

[03:28:11]

mattwj2002:

.5? :P

[03:28:24]

mattwj2002:

how do you get half a backend?

[03:28:31]

wagnerrp:

one of my frontends has a couple tuners and hard drives in it, but i never use it

[03:28:39]

wagnerrp:

they're old PVR-150s

[03:28:42]

mattwj2002:

oh got ya

[03:28:44]

mattwj2002:

hehe

[03:28:50]

mattwj2002:

I remember those days!

[03:29:36]

Guest74304:

i'm currrently building a home system with 3 tv frontends, and a laptop. i'm hoping to add phones and tabets :)

[03:29:57]

splurben:

wagnerrp: I have a 35GB / month traffic limit on that account, should be enough for you to run that link all around the place if you like

[03:30:22]

wagnerrp:

if you did, i was just going to re-upload it to some free file host

[03:30:37]

wagnerrp:

or maybe finally get around to writing one for mythtv

[03:30:47]

splurben:

no worries, thank you for the consideration

[03:31:14]

Guest74304:

what is the best android frontend solution?

[03:31:23]

mattwj2002:

Guest74304: what are you using for tv frontends?

[03:31:23]

splurben:

I'm a systems consultant, but MythTV is a long-standing hobby for me. I just don't have time to get that into the guts of it.

[03:34:20]

Guest74304:

a foxcon box, a used dell pc and a rikomagic(sp?) MK802-III

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mattwj2002:

ok

[03:35:06]

Guest74304:

got a zotac zbox for my primary be

[03:36:04]

Guest74304:

and a dlink 10/100/1000 managed switch :)

[03:36:17]

mattwj2002:

managed?

[03:36:18]

mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

that is uncommon in a home

[03:37:21]

Guest74304:

heh, i'm a retired embedded sw/hw engineer :)

[03:37:34]

mattwj2002:

nice

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Guest74304:

worked for Phoenix Tech (BIOS), Tektronix (TV/audio), PMC-Sierra (networking chip manufacturer) among others

[03:43:38]

mattwj2002:

nice Guest74304

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jya:

wagnerrp: AC3 encoding is currently broken in mythâ€¦ I'm working on it

[04:13:54]

mattwj2002:

not good

[04:14:02]

jya:

a tad had to follow the conversion looking at the historyâ€¦ splurben can you summarise the issue you're seeing ?

[04:15:11]

wagnerrp:

the video is playing behind strobing black macroblocks

[04:15:27]

wagnerrp:

most of the image is black, you only get a couple blocks of each frame visible

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jya:

wagnerrp: you can reproduce this issue yourself?

[04:16:18]

wagnerrp:

yeah, master, couple months old build

[04:16:28]

wagnerrp:

he posted a link to a 50MB chunk of video

[04:16:39]

splurben:

jya: one set of stations is not decoding correctly on MythTV 0.26_pre20120706, we receive 15 stations on 4 multiplexes, the stations on one multiplex don't decode to the screen correctly in LiveTV or Recordings, they work however, if I transcode them

[04:16:47]

jya:

wagnerrp: ah, so it's not a new bug...

[04:17:06]

wagnerrp:

do we have another similar ticket on trac already?

[04:17:10]

jya:

I don't care then :)

[04:17:19]

wagnerrp:

oh, no... not something caused by the resync

[04:17:29]

wagnerrp:

i mentioned it as it may have been FIXED by the resync

[04:17:38]

jya:

I see...

[04:17:39]

splurben:

jya: I have GeForce 8600GT, three dual-decoders CX and Philips

[04:17:50]

wagnerrp:

i haven't yet tested it with a recent build of mythtv

[04:17:59]

jya:

I can certainly give it a tryâ€¦

[04:18:03]

splurben:

So is this an old problem?

[04:18:19]

jya:

splurben: have you tried playing the mpeg-ts file in another player? what do you get>

[04:18:37]

wagnerrp:

zoomplayer/ffdshow on windows works fine

[04:18:50]

splurben:

I'll test with VLC, and mplayer2 now.

[04:18:54]

wagnerrp:

actually... looks like it's a VDPAU bug

[04:19:03]

wagnerrp:

the software decoder plays it just fine

[04:19:16]

jya:

what about latest mplayer with vdpau then?

[04:19:27]

jya:

not mplayer2

[04:20:30]

splurben:

steam plays okay in mplayer, mplayer2 and vlc

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jya:

anyhow.. once I'm done with the ac3 fix, and if my wife let me I'll look into it

[04:20:51]

splurben:

(vlc gets the deinterlace wrong)

[04:20:59]

jya:

splurben: but are you also using vdpau in those player?

[04:21:10]

splurben:

vdpau is in use to GeForce 8600GT

[04:21:12]

jya:

splurben: or change myth to use a software decoding profile and report

[04:21:28]

wagnerrp:

FFS... why does logitech want to add a plugin to firefox?

[04:21:49]

wagnerrp:

what software could there possibly be to make my mouse work better with my browser?

[04:21:51]

splurben:

do I need to recompice MythTV without VDPAU, or can I just change it in mythtv-setup

[04:21:58]

splurben:

recompile

[04:22:04]

wagnerrp:

just change the playback profile in mythfrontend

[04:22:14]

wagnerrp:

you had to manually select a VDPAU profile in the first place

[04:22:16]

splurben:

okay, one tick

[04:22:20]

wagnerrp:

the default profile is software decoding

[04:22:28]

Guest74304:

http://pastebin.com/rsXTFsu8

[04:23:05]

jya:

splurben: mythfrontend -> setup -> video -> playback : change playback profile to normal

[04:23:35]

Guest74304:

that's the backend log

[04:23:57]

splurben:

jya: done, changed to OpenGL and the stations are now working

[04:24:17]

splurben:

jya: you're a legend! What impact will this have on CPU usage?

[04:24:38]

jya:

splurben: that's not fixing any bug.. it's just pin-pointing what the issue could be..

[04:24:45]

jya:

now with mplayer

[04:24:51]

jya:

try to play the file with the following:

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jya:

mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau, filename

[04:26:02]

jya:

and post the output to pastebin.com

[04:26:17]

splurben:

jya: okay, give me a tick

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splurben:

jya: http://pastebin.com/0XmXpyiN

[04:36:40]

jya:

isn't the definition of a tick 1/8192th of a second ?

[04:37:07]

wagnerrp:

i thought it was an annoying little flesh eating insect

[04:37:12]

jya:

soâ€¦ does it play fine?

[04:37:15]

splurben:

it's an Australianism for a few moments, I don't have automated scripts for pastebin

[04:37:23]

wagnerrp:

that, or patrick warburton

[04:37:45]

splurben:

the video plays

[04:37:54]

splurben:

interlacing didn't look right

[04:38:29]

jya:

in mythâ€¦ in the video playback settings, try again with a vdpau profile, but disable deinterlacingâ€¦ and report if you're still seeing the issue

[04:38:38]

splurben:

okay

[04:38:49]

jya:

splurben: mplayer doesn't do any deinterlacing.. so it's not going to look right

[04:40:34]

splurben:

jya: can't find an option for interlacing on Setup/Video/Playback

[04:40:46]

jya:

you go and edit the profile

[04:40:49]

jya:

select VDPAU normal

[04:40:56]

jya:

or better

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Guest74304:

mattwj2002, wagnerrp either of you alive?

[04:41:02]

jya:

VDPAU low

[04:41:10]

wagnerrp:

not for long

[04:41:14]

jya:

and edit the only entry, disable deinterlacting there

[04:41:27]

Guest74304:

http://pastebin.com/rsXTFsu8

[04:41:33]

Guest74304:

that's the backend log

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Guest74304:

i'm guessing that's the most helpful

[04:42:38]

wagnerrp:

PAT errors usually mean you need to rescan

[04:43:13]

splurben:

I can't find a profile option for, which menu is profiles under

[04:43:48]

Guest74304:

me?

[04:45:38]

Guest74304:

must be me, i see some PAT log lines

[04:46:23]

splurben:

jya: I can't find menu options for Profile on Front End, I just tried four different deinterlacing schemes on LiveTV using advanced video, and it just makes the blocks of video move around differently

[04:52:54]

Guest74304:

wagnerrp, manual can for channels? I don't know all the options, is there an faq or how to for comcast/hdhomerun?

[04:53:10]

Guest74304:

manual scan, not can

[04:53:17]

splurben:

jya: sorry, I understand now, I found it, I have Primary deinterlacer Bob (2x, HW), do I just delete the deinterlacer setting, I don't see an option to disable all deinterlacing, (it's shows custom filters vdpauskipchroma,vdpaucolorspace=auto as well, I didn't enter these.)

[04:53:26]

wagnerrp:

this is a prime? with a cablecard?

[04:53:37]

Guest74304:

prime

[04:53:59]

Guest74304:

and a 'M' card

[04:54:10]

jya:

splurben: actually try with bob2x first. then edit that provile and change the deinterlacer to none

[04:54:27]

wagnerrp:

a prime should never get any tuning errors, since mythtv doesn't actually do the tuning

[04:54:29]

wagnerrp:

the prime does

[04:54:46]

splurben:

jya: I have tried bob 2x aldready, I'll switch to none

[04:56:00]

splurben:

no change with deinterlace disabled on active VDPAU Slim profile with deinterlace set to none on primary and fallback

[04:56:02]

Guest74304:

so what would be different between live and scheduled record making live work but schedule fail?

[04:56:12]

splurben:

jya: no change with deinterlace disabled on active VDPAU Slim profile with deinterlace set to none on primary and fallback

[04:56:17]

wagnerrp:

no idea

[04:56:22]

jya:

splurben: so if you use OpenGL profile: good, any VDPAU profile : no good

[04:56:30]

jya:

which nvidia drivers are you using ?

[04:57:18]

splurben:

jya: 313.30 (it was the same with 310.44)

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splurben:

jya: correct OpenGL profiles work, VDPAU profiles don't work

[04:58:36]

Guest74304:

wagnerrp, maybe it's in how myth receives the stream?

[04:59:09]

wagnerrp:

ive not heard of anyone having such problems

[04:59:16]

Guest74304:

or i need to grab the prime log some how

[04:59:45]

splurben:

jya: I'm getting a little bit of stuttering with OpenGL High Quality

[05:00:08]

jya:

what's your CPU?

[05:00:19]

wagnerrp:

i7 something or other

[05:00:28]

wagnerrp:

nothing that should have any difficulty with any software decoding

[05:00:43]

jya:

with OpenGL High-Quality, a 8600GT isn't going to cut

[05:00:48]

jya:

for HD that is

[05:02:20]

splurben:

jya: yup, i see the stuttering only on HD channel

[05:02:33]

jya:

change to OpenGL standard

[05:03:01]

splurben:

jya: I've changed to OpenGL Normal, (I can put a newer card in there, I've been wanting to add HDMI port anyhow)

[05:03:32]

jya:

now need to find out the problemâ€¦ likely a driver issue and nothing much we can do..

[05:03:41]

jya:

you did have issue with mplayer using vdpau right ?

[05:03:44]

jya:

or you didn't

[05:03:50]

jya:

got interrupted, I forgot

[05:04:40]

splurben:

no, mplayer is perfectly viewable with vdpau

[05:05:03]

jya:

that's good.. at least that give something to compare it with

[05:05:09]

Guest74304:

wagnerrp, so where should i go from here?

[05:05:45]

splurben:

jya: OpenGL Normal, only stutters slightly very occasionally, but it sounds like I'm going to need to upgrade that coard, would you prefer that I wait so we can do more field testing?

[05:05:56]

wagnerrp:

no idea. i have no experience with primes or any cablecard tuners

[05:06:45]

jya:

splurben: just use the normal playback

[05:07:04]

jya:

opengl deinterlacer are nicer, but require a pretty powerful card

[05:08:08]

splurben:

jya: I build computers, I've got a choice of 6 new nVidia and 2 AMD, I'm assuming nVidia is still the go

[05:08:29]

wagnerrp:

on linux, absolutely

[05:08:59]

Guest74304:

mattwj2002 seemed to, i'll chech back later. thanx for the effort

[05:08:59]

jya:

splurben: definitely nvidiaâ€¦ ATI is still very much hit & miss

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jya:

and with myth, if you enable OpenGL you get plenty of weird stuff, including kernel panic

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splurben:

jya: I'm on Gentoo 12.1, AMD64. I'll put in a better nVidia card. Shall I report if the bug still exists with newer nVidia card?

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jya:

splurben: nahâ€¦ i have a 430GT and 320M hereâ€¦ but i'm fairly certain we would see it there too

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splurben:

jya: 40% of the systems I build are linux and I always go with nVidia for them (unless they use embedded Intel for basic stuff)

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jya:

was this playing fine with 0.25 ?

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splurben:

jya: played fine with 0.25

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splurben:

yja: played fine until about 3 weeks ago

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jya:

ok...

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jya:

is that h264 content?

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jya:

ah no, I remember it being mpleg2 from the mplayer log

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splurben:

jya: is that to me? (h264)

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jya:

splurben: the mplayer log you provided showed mpeg2

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splurben:

jya: yup

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jya:

Selected video codec: [ffmpeg12vdpau] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-1/2 (VDPAU))

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splurben:

jya: can I supply any other output to you to help?

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jya:

nah that'll be fine...

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jya:

open a trac ticket if you haven't thanks

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splurben:

jya: sorry, point me to 'trac ticket' please

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splurben:

jya: found trac ticket, I'll open one, thanks jya big-time

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splurben:

jya: sorry about hand-holding. "VDPAU fails playback of certain multiplexes" sound like a fair assessment?

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louisdk:

I have to machines. A combi fe/be running Myhbuntu 12.04 and a new backend running Debian testing. The ubuntu pc can easly do a channel scan, but the debian pc failed do to a channel scan. They are both on the same network and the tuner is a hdhomerun hdhr3-eu. I'm not doing the scan at the same time. Ubuntu pc myth version: 0.26.0+fixes.20130327.69cd78b-0ubuntu0mythbuntu1 – Debian pc myth version: 0.26.0+fixes20130330-dmo1

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Lyset:

Hello

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Lyset:

Can anyone help me with setting up my tuner?

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louisdk:

Lyset: I can try. What tuner do you have?

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Lyset:

I have BeholdTV M6 on saa7134 chipset with MPEG-2 encoder

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Lyset:

It works fine as analog card, but I cannot set it up as MPEG-card

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louisdk:

Okay. I don't know anything about that card. maybe another would be able to help you.

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Lyset:

Ok. General problem is that it has 2 devices – /dev/video0 is general v4l tuner, and /dev/video1 is just mpeg stream without tuning controls. I don't know how to tell MythTV use one device for tuning, and another for grabbing

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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Oleg_:

this guy claims xbmc is better than mythtv: http://www.percula.info/archives/249

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mattwj2002:

Oleg_: there are all kinds out there

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

Oleg_: xbmc is quite different than mythtv anyways

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mattwj2002:

it is stupid to try and compare them

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mattwj2002:

anywasy

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Oleg_:

maybe

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Oleg_:

I never used xbmc

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mattwj2002:

xbmc is more paying media out there

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Oleg_:

I don't really know anything about its capabilities

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mattwj2002:

mythtv is a dvr suite

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mattwj2002:

to me

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mattwj2002:

that article looks like Apple compared to a PC

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mattwj2002:

it is naturally bias

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Oleg_:

ok

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mattwj2002:

Oleg_: when comparing mythtv to xbmc I guess I would take into consideration that as far as I know....you can't record with xbmc

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Oleg_:

according to this page, http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=PVR , xbmc can record live tv

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mattwj2002:

oh I forgot about those other PVR plugins

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mattwj2002:

I am using the mythtv plugin

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mattwj2002:

as a frontend on a raspberry pi

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mattwj2002:

you can stream live tv but not record as far as I know

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mattwj2002:

with that particular plugin....I don't know about others

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Seeker`:

I've looked at xbmc, but none of the pvr plugins can quite replicate everything that mythtv can do. Mythtv is the best out there for PVR, and I would probably choose XBMC if I was just playing back video files

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