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| [00:00:11] | sphery: | ah, that may well be what was happening |
| [00:00:30] | wagnerrp: | the 3rd party site was not actually properly running, because of blocked javascript |
| [00:00:58] | sphery: | I accidentally had my browser sending User-Agent with Firefox in it (normally I don't because I don't agree with the Firefox name license) and sending Referer header this morning when it worked... |
| [00:01:23] | sphery: | yesterday, my browser was "properly" configured (in a way that many web sites--those that aren't programmed properly--don't like) |
| [00:02:26] | sphery: | so that's probably that "buy a printed copy" part... being the 3rd party? |
| [00:02:43] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [00:02:47] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [00:02:59] | sphery: | well, knowing that, I should be able to make it work |
| [00:03:29] | sphery: | "our print-on-demand partner" = PediaPress... |
| [00:04:45] | sphery: | So, what do you guys think about the single HTML page... do we want to allow users to download a copy from http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html , and if so, is a saved copy of the "printable" version of the wiki page sufficient ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=MythTV-HOWTO&printable=yes ) |
| [00:04:56] | sphery: | or should I just remove the reference to that? |
| [00:05:45] | sphery: | or for that matter, I could just link to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=MythTV-HOWTO&printable=yes ... |
| [00:06:23] | sphery: | though if we do properly break up the HOWTO into multiple pages (taking the best of wiki content and including it), we might need to get some HTML renderer for the Book Creator (if that's even possible) |
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| [00:16:43] | sphery: | OK, so I just removed the reference to the single-page HTML. |
| [00:16:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, can you change www config? |
| [00:17:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah. what do i need to change? |
| [00:17:54] | sphery: | can we point http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO and remove everything under http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
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| [00:20:43] | sphery: | and we need to remove http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html (and last step in PM :) |
| [00:21:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ^^^ , in case you missed it |
| [00:21:31] | sphery: | and a huge thanks for the help |
| [00:21:40] | sphery: | Robert K will be very pleased |
| [00:22:19] | wagnerrp: | do we actually have a link to that downloadable copy anywhere? |
| [00:22:29] | sphery: | the singlehtml? |
| [00:22:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [00:22:56] | sphery: | It was in the old howto, and I'm guessing crawlers will still find/index it from previous knowledge |
| [00:23:10] | wagnerrp: | but now it's a pdf |
| [00:23:12] | sphery: | so removing it would primarily help to get them to stop indexing old content |
| [00:23:41] | sphery: | before we had both a PDF and a singlehtml |
| [00:23:45] | sphery: | now we'll just have a PDF |
| [00:24:01] | sphery: | both links are in the old HOWTOs: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html#ss1.4 |
| [00:24:39] | sphery: | er, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.4 |
| [00:25:02] | sphery: | and links to all the /docs/mythtv-HOWTO-*.html were in the old HOWTO, too |
| [00:25:24] | skd5aner: | F... qam channel remap :P |
| [00:25:53] | skd5aner: | Makes total sense that NBC is now CBS and that CBS is now NBC Digital SD |
| [00:26:04] | sphery: | and to think, skd5aner , you pay a monthly fee for this pain :) |
| [00:27:12] | skd5aner: | I HATE this so much |
| [00:27:20] | skd5aner: | and, I have a cable card that does me absolutely no good |
| [00:27:28] | skd5aner: | thankfully, they're not charging me for it |
| [00:27:41] | skd5aner: | not that I shouldn't just give it back |
| [00:28:37] | skd5aner: | sphery: I really hate the next part.. |
| [00:28:39] | skd5aner: | rescanning |
| [00:30:22] | skd5aner: | sphery: any devs considered taking on the challenge of making channel rescans easier and less destructive? |
| [00:31:45] | sphery: | I'm sure several of us would love to, but that's just one item on very long lists... :) |
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| [00:32:02] | skd5aner: | I'd love to see these "lists" published ;) |
| [00:32:21] | skd5aner: | a little transparency to see how quickly they grow and shrink and what exactly gets checked off (and when) |
| [00:32:46] | mzb is now known as mzb- | |
| [00:32:47] | sphery: | hehe, I keep saying I'm going to back up my list on disk--in case of brain crash--but I still haven't even done that |
| [00:33:08] | skd5aner: | sphery: do I need to go in and delete my source and all that good stuff related to QAM, or can I simply just rescan for channels? |
| [00:33:21] | sphery: | you can attempt a rescan |
| [00:33:39] | skd5aner: | I have to do this every year or so – and I just never remember the best way to go about it |
| [00:33:43] | sphery: | but--especially if it's just "swap content for other content"--doing so can be very confusing |
| [00:33:51] | skd5aner: | as soon as I'm done I curse the fact that I had to do it in the first place |
| [00:33:54] | sphery: | and may or may not actually make the changes you need |
| [00:34:07] | sphery: | IMHO, the easiest approach to scanning is always, "start fresh" |
| [00:34:19] | sphery: | that way, you know that none of the old garbage is getting in the way |
| [00:34:27] | sphery: | but if you insist, you can just go in and rescan |
| [00:34:38] | skd5aner: | Can I just delete the channels related ot that source, or start COMPLETELY from scratch – I don't want to impact any of my other sources |
| [00:34:47] | sphery: | if it doesn't work or doesn't get all the updates or ..., you can attempt to delete some (all?) channels from the source |
| [00:34:50] | sphery: | then rescan |
| [00:34:58] | sphery: | and if it doesn't work, you can go back and try something else |
| [00:35:01] | sphery: | and if it doesn't work... |
| [00:35:07] | sphery: | repeat N times |
| [00:35:09] | skd5aner: | well – let's go see |
| [00:35:21] | sphery: | and if it doesn't work, you can "Delete all video sources"... |
| [00:35:35] | sphery: | which is why I cut out everything but the last step :) |
| [00:36:12] | sphery: | granted, I have only one source (OTA) with only a "few" channels (<30, where most are worthless), and because it's OTA, it hasn't changed since the HDTV transition, so I don't have to do this often |
| [00:36:37] | skd5aner: | yea yea yea... you freedom fighter you |
| [00:36:47] | skd5aner: | no chains McGee is what I'll start calling you |
| [00:36:54] | skd5aner: | ;-) |
| [00:37:37] | sphery: | so I recognize why it causes you more anxiety than me, but I figure that it's often easiest to just go with an approach that will always work (assuming you do the scanning/configuring part right--which is a prerequisite for any approach) |
| [00:38:14] | sphery: | that said, I'd be interested in hearing your experience with it (and what didn't and finally did work) |
| [00:38:25] | sphery: | assuming you go through multiple iterations/approaches |
| [00:38:35] | skd5aner: | do you recall if scan for channels now overwrites everything by default, or only new conflicts? |
| [00:38:37] | sphery: | and, really, if someone were to document the approach... :) |
| [00:38:49] | sphery: | I'm not sure |
| [00:38:54] | skd5aner: | k, I'll let you know |
| [00:39:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that work? |
| [00:39:06] | sphery: | I think it has some heuristic for determining whether something changed |
| [00:39:10] | skd5aner: | I know back in the ~.20 days it would ask |
| [00:39:42] | wagnerrp: | the previous http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.pdf still links directly to the file |
| [00:40:03] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ as well as anything and everything beneath it gets redirected to the wiki |
| [00:40:27] | wagnerrp: | (for any clients supporting a 301) |
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| [00:41:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: /docs looks great ... (still passes the anchor tag from old links--like http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.4 --but that's no problem) |
| [00:41:28] | sphery: | the PDF seems to work |
| [00:42:04] | skd5aner: | btw... does anyone else say QAM as "QUAM" – or is that just me? |
| [00:42:04] | wagnerrp: | anchor tag? |
| [00:42:19] | sphery: | #1.4 |
| [00:42:19] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [00:42:20] | wagnerrp: | i always thought it was "kam" |
| [00:42:26] | sphery: | whatever that's called |
| [00:42:26] | skd5aner: | <a href=#anchortag> |
| [00:42:39] | sphery: | bookmark? |
| [00:42:45] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea how to strip the anchor from a redirect |
| [00:42:57] | sphery: | yeah, not worth it |
| [00:43:00] | skd5aner: | anchor is correct |
| [00:43:00] | wagnerrp: | i figured it would be done automatically by the browser |
| [00:43:22] | sphery: | it doesn't hurt anything... the user gets to the page and then clicks a link which puts another one in its place |
| [00:43:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I guess I see a Q and just assume it takes on a "QU...." sound like usual |
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| [00:46:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks a ton for updating that... |
| [00:47:07] | sphery: | I owe you a drink (actually, many by now) next time you're down in FL |
| [00:48:30] | skd5aner: | what do you owe me? |
| [00:50:07] | sphery: | hehe, I'd be happy to share a drink with you, too |
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| [00:50:23] | wagnerrp: | roads sucked today |
| [00:50:30] | wagnerrp: | highway i take to work was closed |
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| [00:51:10] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks – obviously joking – you don't owe me anything |
| [00:51:12] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [00:51:26] | sphery: | skd5aner: I know how you can earn your drink! |
| [00:51:40] | skd5aner: | I would do anything for myth, but I won't do that |
| [00:51:46] | wagnerrp: | dance for us! |
| [00:51:49] | sphery: | So, I want to do up a category for the howto like you did for the release notes |
| [00:52:01] | sphery: | and have a 0.26 |
| [00:52:05] | sphery: | and a 0.27 |
| [00:52:25] | sphery: | and have the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO link point to the current stable version's |
| [00:52:26] | skd5aner: | what kind of category? |
| [00:52:32] | sphery: | so how do I go about doing that |
| [00:52:49] | skd5aner: | you mean, have it so it always goes to current? |
| [00:53:03] | sphery: | mainly, how do I end up with multiple different versions |
| [00:53:13] | sphery: | basically just copy the content of one page to a new page |
| [00:53:28] | sphery: | then point the wiki redirect to the right one? |
| [00:53:41] | sphery: | i.e. right now http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO is the only howto doc |
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| [00:54:35] | sphery: | so maybe rename it as MythTV-HOWTO-0.26 , then make MythTV-HOWTO redirect to that |
| [00:54:36] | skd5aner: | Yea, basically... |
| [00:54:47] | sphery: | then copy the content of MythTV-HOWTO-0.26 to MythTV-HOWTO-0.27? |
| [00:54:49] | sphery: | ok |
| [00:54:51] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:55:07] | sphery: | should this be category HOWTO |
| [00:55:08] | skd5aner: | You can also look at setting up a template too... |
| [00:55:17] | sphery: | or MythTV-HOWTO |
| [00:55:20] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:CurrentRelease &ndas h; for example |
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| [00:55:45] | sphery: | so the redirect uses the template to figure out where to redirect? |
| [00:55:57] | skd5aner: | you could have a template in a template... |
| [00:56:38] | skd5aner: | so, you basically say something like the redirect to: #MythTV-HOWTO-{{CurrentRelease}} |
| [00:57:08] | skd5aner: | that way, you are only chaning it in one place – when currentrelease gets updated, all of the links/redirects to the how to would then automatically get updated too |
| [00:57:19] | skd5aner: | reduced management sprawl |
| [00:57:24] | sphery: | sounds good |
| [00:57:34] | sphery: | so I can use your existing Current Release, right? |
| [00:57:43] | skd5aner: | Yup... there's a bunch of them... |
| [00:57:50] | sphery: | wait |
| [00:57:51] | skd5aner: | sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Templates |
| [00:58:00] | sphery: | why does http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Current_Release take me to release notes – 0.25? |
| [00:58:17] | skd5aner: | {{CurrentRelease}}, {{CurrentFixes}}, {{CurrentDevelopment}} |
| [00:58:24] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:58:45] | sphery: | also What's New on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Release_Notes doesn't seem to exist |
| [00:58:56] | skd5aner: | because no one ever updated the redirect :/ – #REDIRECT [[Release Notes – 0.25]] |
| [00:59:17] | sphery: | is this one that you can change to use the template idea you mentioned? |
| [00:59:30] | sphery: | or I can? |
| [00:59:53] | skd5aner: | hmmmm, I just tried and it didn't work |
| [01:00:03] | skd5aner: | let it doesn't take the wiki markup until it rendors the page |
| [01:00:07] | sphery: | is this a caching issue, again? |
| [01:00:08] | skd5aner: | let me see if there's a way to do that |
| [01:01:24] | sphery: | purge |
| [01:01:34] | sphery: | ?action=purge |
| [01:01:55] | sphery: | skd5aner: I think that's the problem |
| [01:01:57] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Current_Release |
| [01:02:21] | sphery: | now, though, I think you need to put in some kind of "Release Notes – " in there, right? |
| [01:02:42] | skd5aner: | I can explicitly do the redirect, but I'm trying to do it with the template so it updates |
| [01:02:53] | sphery: | and maybe wagnerrp can set up whatever he set up for the script pages to keep it from caching them/make it auto-purge them or whatever |
| [01:02:59] | skd5aner: | purge? |
| [01:03:07] | wagnerrp: | i set something up? |
| [01:03:14] | sphery: | skd5aner: you have "#REDIRECT {{CurrentRelease}} |
| [01:03:23] | skd5aner: | Yea |
| [01:03:34] | sphery: | shouldn't it be "#REDIRECT Release Notes – {{CurrentRelease}}" |
| [01:04:22] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [01:04:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what did you do so that we didn't have to keep sending ?action=purge for the script pages (so that they'd update on changes) |
| [01:04:46] | wagnerrp: | nothing that i recall |
| [01:05:08] | sphery: | I thought you had installed some plugin that allowed you to mark them as "do not cache" or something |
| [01:05:27] | wagnerrp: | i attempted to, i don't recall it working properly |
| [01:06:52] | skd5aner: | hmmm, still no dice |
| [01:07:42] | skd5aner: | have to give up |
| [01:07:49] | skd5aner: | feel free ot play with it if you'd like |
| [01:09:09] | sphery: | Note that the redirect link must be explicit – it cannot contain magic words, templates, etc. |
| [01:09:12] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Redirect |
| [01:09:14] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [01:09:33] | sphery: | maybe it used to work and doesn't, now? |
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| [01:14:54] | skd5aner: | sphery: nah – likely never did I'm guessing |
| [01:14:56] | skd5aner: | oh well |
| [01:15:19] | skd5aner: | I think it's an issue where it can't rendor the templates prior to parsing it's own wiki markup |
| [01:15:34] | skd5aner: | it's not the smart I guess |
| [01:15:55] | sphery: | so maybe there's some other way we can mark "everything that needs updating on the wiki when current release changes" so that we can do it manually? |
| [01:16:00] | sphery: | template or category or ? |
| [01:16:49] | skd5aner: | Yea, probably... the {{CurrentVersion}} is nice to use anytime someone needs to reference the version # in the wiki |
| [01:17:07] | skd5aner: | and it'll always link to the current version's releanse notes so long as someone updates the currentversion template |
| [01:17:29] | skd5aner: | I even think the mythbuntu guys started to reference that tag at one point |
| [01:17:40] | skd5aner: | don't remember for what |
| [01:19:18] | tgm4883: | I don't think we look at the web for that anymore |
| [01:19:26] | tgm4883: | I think we look at git |
| [01:20:53] | tgm4883: | yea, we look at githuyb |
| [01:20:56] | tgm4883: | github |
| [01:20:58] | sphery: | hehe, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes is still pointing at 0.25, too |
| [01:21:13] | tgm4883: | sphery, when will it point at 0.27? |
| [01:21:33] | sphery: | hehe, good question |
| [01:21:52] | sphery: | though I haven't done anything for this release, so I'm a bad person to ask |
| [01:22:34] | sphery: | btw, I'm accepting offers for someone to pay me to work on mythtv full time at my normal rate, so that I don't have to do these annoying contracts that cause me to have to travel too much and take all of the time I would like to use to work on mythtv... |
| [01:22:50] | sphery: | :) |
| [01:23:05] | sphery: | I updated Release_Notes to go to 0.26, now |
| [01:23:41] | tgm4883: | how much is the normal rate? |
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| [01:24:10] | sphery: | hehe, more than anyone (in their right mind) would be willing to pay me for mythtv work |
| [01:24:23] | tgm4883: | sphery, ok, how many minutes can I get for $10 |
| [01:24:30] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:24:44] | wagnerrp: | about ten? |
| [01:25:13] | sphery: | I'd actually be happier doing $10 worth of work for you without charging--just to save all the billing/tax/... troubles |
| [01:25:17] | skd5aner: | MythTV should just go commercial and get a kickstarter going |
| [01:25:39] | sphery: | so do I need to explicitly create a category page? |
| [01:25:46] | wagnerrp: | we could even rename ourselves after a defrocked planet |
| [01:26:15] | skd5aner: | yea... and something that reminds the thirty and forty somethings of their childhood so they fork out big bucks... |
| [01:26:16] | sphery: | I'm getting a You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. ... page for the MythTV-HOWTO category |
| [01:26:49] | wagnerrp: | ... eighties ... |
| [01:26:54] | sphery: | and promise to put it on an Android stick if people volunteer $3.2 quintillion dollars |
| [01:27:27] | sphery: | (that would be more than the Death Star one wanted, right?) |
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| [01:58:53] | mzb: | I'm having a play with getting IPTV working ... but without much success |
| [01:59:43] | mzb: | I can setup the playlist, capture card, video source, input connections and channels |
| [02:00:17] | mzb: | I can even do EPG for some of the channels (let's use BBC News as an example) |
| [02:01:01] | mzb: | but when I try to select that channel on a frontend it tells me that mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel |
| [02:01:31] | mzb: | I appear to have something fundamentally wrong here |
| [02:01:43] | mzb: | any suggestions for debugging this issue? |
| [02:03:27] | mzb: | oh, and the input isn't listed either |
| [02:05:32] | mzb: | ah never mind ... mythbackend restart |
| [02:05:34] | mzb: | duh! ;) |
| [02:07:52] | ** mzb suffers the MAF-- (midget acceptance) ** | |
| [02:09:46] | skd5aner: | sphery: done – now loading mfdb... |
| [02:10:54] | skd5aner: | glad all my primetime shows wont record tonight |
| [02:11:24] | skd5aner: | BTW – they moved all the QAM channels to their old analog channum equivalents... thanks, that was helpful :P |
| [02:12:16] | skd5aner: | also, oddly enough, my PVR-500 isn't working |
| [02:12:34] | skd5aner: | but, I think that's server side – not an issue with the cable |
| [02:12:56] | skd5aner: | who cares – analog is painful to watch anymore |
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| [02:17:34] | sphery: | skd5aner: glad you got it finished |
| [02:17:45] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [02:17:51] | sphery: | and I hope they don't remap them on you any time soon |
| [02:19:26] | sphery: | oh, and I suppose I should have told you that if all that happened was they swapped what's on any particular channel (and there were no new channels), you can just edit channel number/name/call sign/XMLTV IDs, delete any channels that no longer exist, then run mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all |
| [02:19:50] | sphery: | though doing that for more than a few changes may actually be more work than a "starting fresh" rescan |
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| [02:25:31] | mzb: | hmm nope still not working. The stream appears to start, but only a 100–200KB/s stream ... and nothing plays |
| [02:26:08] | mzb: | then the frontend and backend both get all confused ... eg: the frontend locks |
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| [03:26:42] | xris: | yay, I think I finally got nuvexport working again |
| [03:26:52] | xris: | now if only ffmpeg had a decent deinterlacer |
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| [04:50:08] | xris: | now if only ffmpeg had a decent deinterlacer,, or documentation |
| [04:50:21] | xris: | oops. well, thought still stands. |
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| [10:39:55] | lapion: | gregL, can you tell me how to configure my pvr 150 ? |
| [10:40:30] | lapion: | sorry, could you help me in configuring my pvr 150, I still cannot get it to work.. |
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| [14:22:09] | gregL: | lapion: There isn't much to configure.. Goto Mythtv-setup,choose setup cards,choose Mpeg-2 encoder card.. Goto input and bind your video source with your card... I see you are in Europe,so I won't be any help with your channel source... |
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| [17:42:31] | lapion: | gregL, mpeg-2 encoder card |
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| [17:50:57] | lapion: | in 0.26 mpeg2 encoder card doesn give a vbi possibility |
| [17:51:01] | gregL: | lapion, Yes,that is what mine is set at.. |
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| [18:20:05] | lapion: | ok gregL will try it again, but when I set it as an mpeg-2 encoder the setup crashes when trying to tune, and the backend as well.. |
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| [18:23:23] | gregL: | lapion: That's the way it is setup here, so my guess is you have a local problem.. That card takes only about one minute to setup on my system... Off to work... |
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| [19:35:19] | tgm4883: | Has anyone heard of issues with the local backend address box in 0.27? I've got a user telling me it's imutable in KDE (Kubuntu) |
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| [19:47:22] | sphery: | tgm4883: someone was talking about a similar issue with some music settings screens on -users list |
| [19:47:47] | tgm4883: | sphery, is the local address in 0.27 suppose to be a drop down box? |
| [19:48:50] | sphery: | it's a combobox |
| [19:49:37] | tgm4883: | sphery, so no manual text entry now? |
| [19:49:47] | sphery: | seems not |
| [19:50:09] | tgm4883: | should it always be 127.0.0.1 then? |
| [19:50:21] | sphery: | unless I'm misreading the code, it has rw (editable) set to false |
| [19:50:33] | sphery: | it should always show any usable addresses |
| [19:50:51] | sphery: | meaning if it's not showing the addresses it should, networking isn't (or wasn't) properly configured |
| [19:51:20] | sphery: | though I'm not sure if wagnerrp has said something about a bug he's working on |
| [19:51:21] | tgm4883: | define properly configured. I've got one setup in a vm right now and it's not working |
| [19:51:28] | tgm4883: | it only shows 127.0.0.1 |
| [19:51:33] | tgm4883: | master backend w/ mysql |
| [19:51:35] | sphery: | (there was one at one time, possibly related to that or something else) |
| [19:52:25] | tgm4883: | sphery, is it looking for static addresses only? |
| [19:53:10] | sphery: | best I can tell you is: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . pool.cpp#n80 |
| [19:53:53] | tgm4883: | sphery, that doesn't seem to be python ;) |
| [19:54:27] | sphery: | it's also 200 lines, which is too much for me to read, now (as I should be working, instead :) |
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| [19:57:14] | sphery: | but you should see some kind of log output about "Adding IPv4 loopback to address list." or "Adding link-local '%1' to address list." or "Skipping non-private address during IPv4 autoselection: %1" |
| [19:57:38] | sphery: | tgm4883: perhaps you've configured your network to use other-than-reserved network block? |
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| [19:58:00] | sphery: | the backend will refuse to listen on a routable/non-reserved network address |
| [19:58:07] | tgm4883: | 10.21.6.x |
| [19:58:12] | sphery: | i.e. so you don't connect it to the Internet |
| [19:58:32] | sphery: | in theory that would work |
| [19:59:03] | sphery: | check logs to see what it says |
| [19:59:06] | sphery: | default verbosity should show |
| [19:59:09] | tgm4883: | I see 3 serverpool entries in my mythtv-setup log |
| [19:59:20] | tgm4883: | all binding |
| [19:59:31] | DarthFrog: | Hi folks. Is anyone noticing a problem setting the IPv4 address in mythtv-setup in 0.27? It's immutable for me and only offers 127.0.0.1. I can't change it to my needed 192.168.1.100 as no other addresses other than 127.0.0.1 are offered in the combo box picklist. |
| [19:59:34] | sphery: | ah, you'll need to turn on debug |
| [20:00:00] | tgm4883: | sphery, mythtv-setup --debug? |
| [20:00:02] | sphery: | --loglevel debug |
| [20:00:38] | sphery: | DarthFrog: read the conversation tgm4883 and I just had |
| [20:00:59] | DarthFrog: | OK |
| [20:01:05] | ** sphery suspects he was asking for you ** | |
| [20:01:10] | sphery: | ah, you stepped in midway through |
| [20:01:12] | tgm4883: | yep |
| [20:01:23] | DarthFrog: | Could you post a pastebin of the conversation, please? :-) |
| [20:01:40] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea, it's skipping 10.21.6.x |
| [20:01:44] | sphery: | DarthFrog: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2013-03-14:19:35 |
| [20:01:56] | sphery: | tgm4883: exact message? |
| [20:02:06] | sphery: | "non-private"? |
| [20:02:16] | tgm4883: | Mar 14 13:00:52 ubuntu mythlogserver: mythtv-setup[3710]: D CoreContext serverpool.cpp:188 (SelectDefaultListen) Skipping address: 10.21.6.34 |
| [20:02:29] | DarthFrog: | sphery: yes, tgm4883 was asking for me, from #ubuntu-mythtv. |
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| [20:04:28] | lapion: | gregL, I am getting the following error: |
| [20:04:32] | lapion: | Mar 14 21:04:02 myth-slave mythlogserver: mythbackend[3947]: E ProcessRequest mainserver.cpp:4179 (HandleRemoteEncoder) MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_MAX_BITRATE) Unknown encoder: 38 |
| [20:04:57] | sphery: | lapion: Delete all capture cards |
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| [20:05:11] | sphery: | lapion: then re-create your capture card, using MPEG Encoder type |
| [20:05:27] | sphery: | all your trial and error has put garbage in your DB that you need to clean up as above |
| [20:06:23] | tgm4883: | sphery, it seems it's skipping because it matches none of the above |
| [20:06:39] | lapion: | sphery, if I remove all cards mythtv starts counting at fourty something ? |
| [20:07:03] | tgm4883: | seems like it should fall under |
| [20:07:04] | tgm4883: | else if (!config_v4.isNull() && (ip == config_v4)) |
| [20:07:20] | sphery: | tgm4883: yeah, not sure what it's supposed to do, but I'd guess it's either a bug (likely the one he once mentioned in passing to someone in here that he's working on) or something in your configuration is telling it to ignore it |
| [20:07:31] | sphery: | you should ask wagne rrp |
| [20:07:52] | lapion: | sphery, does the db start at card 1 again if all cards are removed and reinstalled ? |
| [20:08:06] | sphery: | lapion: if it's counting at 40-something, you haven't followed instructions |
| [20:08:11] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, do you know of a bug that would cause mythtv-setup to skip valid IP addresses (eg. 10.21.6.x) in 0.27? |
| [20:08:11] | sphery: | lapion: "Delete all capture cards" |
| [20:08:20] | sphery: | lapion: not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>" |
| [20:08:39] | sphery: | lapion: not "highlight a capture card and press D and repeat for all cards" |
| [20:09:25] | sphery: | lapion: and no need to reinstall cards... just re-configure them in MythTV (I'm guessing you know that, but wanted to make sure you don't waste time pulling them out of the machine or anything) |
| [20:10:52] | sphery: | lapion: also note that analog channel scan may or may not work... if not, you'll need to either use a good listings source to populate them (Schedules Direct--where, actually, you should always choose this approach over scanning if you have a listings source that provides sufficient information) or manually create the channels in Channel Editor |
| [20:11:06] | DarthFrog: | sphery: It works for IPv6 addresses but is ignoring a valid IPv4 address on eth0. |
| [20:11:15] | sphery: | lapion: and analog channel scan will never work if you're using an external tuner (i.e. connecting a set-top box to the analog encoder) |
| [20:11:24] | tgm4883: | DarthFrog, yea that is what I'm seeing as well |
| [20:11:33] | sphery: | DarthFrog: yeah, I don't know what's going on |
| [20:11:56] | sphery: | but I do remember wagn errp saying something about a bug he's working on to a user in here not long ago |
| [20:12:02] | sphery: | just don't remember any details |
| [20:12:15] | DarthFrog: | Shall I report a bug? |
| [20:12:20] | sphery: | so it may be a known issue (meaning that--surprise--unstable/development code isn't stable :) |
| [20:12:24] | sphery: | no |
| [20:12:55] | DarthFrog: | I would imagine it's known as it prevents a remote frontend connection. :-) |
| [20:12:57] | sphery: | I'm sure that he would be able to tell you exactly what's going on |
| [20:13:29] | tgm4883: | sphery, DarthFrog seems to be bug #11391 |
| [20:13:29] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11391 ** | |
| [20:13:44] | sphery: | and if it is a bug, he already knows about it (and it's likely already lost in the 500+ bugs reported that are buried among the other 10K bugs in the database that make the bug database completely useless) |
| [20:14:00] | ** sphery stands corrected ** | |
| [20:14:06] | sphery: | tgm4883 is still able to find bugs in there |
| [20:14:20] | tgm4883: | sphery, you mean google can find bugs in there |
| [20:15:26] | sphery: | I'm surprised of that |
| [20:16:25] | sphery: | since there's so much cr** in there, since everyone and their brother a) posted the output of configure in reports/comments rather than attaching them as, directed, b) posted log files in reports/comments rathe rthan attaching them, as directed, c) had conversations/discussion in there |
| [20:16:40] | sphery: | meaning that nearly every bug report has every useful keyword inside it somewhere |
| [20:16:59] | sphery: | kind of like if a company came out with a new product and called it "a" |
| [20:17:14] | sphery: | doing a search for "a" on the Internet wouldn't work well |
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| [20:17:53] | sphery: | as it would list basically every page (or at least every English page) |
| [20:18:42] | tgm4883: | sphery, but think of the SEO! |
| [20:19:01] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:19:38] | sphery: | yeah, SEO... like those companies that just shove a copy of wikipedia on their site to drive you to their site |
| [20:19:54] | sphery: | amazing how anything--even things that have some usefulness--can be corrupted |
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| [20:36:46] | DarthFrog: | it's too bad that upgrading MythTV means an irreversable database schema change. |
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| [20:38:42] | DarthFrog: | Hmm, I wonder. Can I package up my 0.27 shows as Mytharchives and import them into a 0.26 system? |
| [20:39:31] | DarthFrog: | i.e. blow away 0.27 and install 0.26, then restore recordings from archives? |
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| [21:12:20] | lapion: | thanks sphery finally got the card to work. |
| [21:13:48] | lapion: | old v4l configs cannot be changed to mpeg2-cards |
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| [21:19:22] | bill6502: | sphery: tgm4883: DarthFrog: It doesn't say it in 11391, but wagnerrp: opened #11393 to track the issue. |
| [21:19:22] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11393 ** | |
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| [21:31:50] | sphery: | lapion: yeah, they need very different configurations and if you don't clear things out properly, the old/broken config will prevent you from getting a good config |
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| [21:32:18] | sphery: | lapion: that's why "Delete all capture cards" is generally my first recommendation--it always cleans things out properly (because it's the only approach to clean things out completely) |
| [21:33:00] | sphery: | and starting from no configuration means you're starting from a known point, so all it takes to get a successful configuration is configuring properly (versus undoing/deleting/cleaning out old config, then configuring properly) |
| [21:33:08] | sphery: | glad you got it working, though |
| [21:33:15] | sphery: | bill6502: thanks for the follow-up |
| [21:34:14] | sphery: | DarthFrog: the recommended solution for a downgrade is to restore the most-recent pre-upgrade DB backup (i.e. the last 0.26 backup you did right before you upgraded), then put all new recordings from the 0.27 install into Video Library |
| [21:35:04] | sphery: | er, I mean the 0.27pre install, since there's actually no 0.27, yet |
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| [21:57:34] | DarthFrog: | sphery: I never ran 0.26 or 0.25 on this system. Fresh install of 0.27. |
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| [22:05:13] | sphery: | DarthFrog: ah, in that case, I'd recommend you just install 0.26, start a new DB, and put the shows you've recorded in Video Library |
| [22:06:07] | sphery: | Video Library is basically the place for user-provided and/or user-managed video and Watch Recordings is "temporary" holding for any new recordings from this system |
| [22:06:35] | sphery: | temporary for until you watch and delete or until you decide to archive, at which point you're probably best off moving them to Video Library |
| [22:07:11] | sphery: | so that you can change the file name to something that's meaningful (meaningful even without the MythTV database, in case you ever lose it), and organize them as you desire |
| [22:09:23] | DarthFrog: | I didn't know you could do that. I never knew that recordings could be renamed and moved. |
| [22:09:24] | sphery: | i.e. TV/Sci-Fi/Continuum/Season1/Continuum s01e01 A Stich in Time.mpg |
| [22:09:46] | sphery: | you'd be moving them out of Watch Recordings and into Video Library |
| [22:10:05] | DarthFrog: | That sounds excellent. |
| [22:10:08] | sphery: | so, unfortunately, you'd have to know where to find them |
| [22:10:20] | sphery: | eventually, we'll make it easier to find your content, regardless of where it is |
| [22:10:21] | DarthFrog: | Oh, MythTV doesn't do it? |
| [22:10:36] | DarthFrog: | I can't do it from a Menu option? |
| [22:10:51] | sphery: | you'd have to either enter Watch Recordings or Video Library |
| [22:10:55] | DarthFrog: | I know where my recordings are. |
| [22:11:00] | sphery: | and in there, you can see what's in each place |
| [22:11:16] | sphery: | so in Video Library, you'll only see those things that are in Video Library |
| [22:11:59] | sphery: | but its UI is much better for large video collections, so if you're archiving things, you'll want to move them into Video Library eventually |
| [22:12:06] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: it would only ignore that address if you had oa different one specified |
| [22:12:14] | DarthFrog: | Right. But how do I move a recording from Watch Recordings to Video Library? "mv /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ <long number>.mpg /var/lib/mythtv/Videos/" |
| [22:12:43] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, but how do you specify a different one? |
| [22:13:05] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, the only option I see is the localhost one |
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| [22:13:29] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: 127.0.0.1 is the only one offered in IPv4. |
| [22:14:13] | wagnerrp: | ohh, right... that one was stuartm |
| [22:14:25] | NathanKell: | Hi folks, I was advised to come here as various fora don't seem to have an answer for my issue. My recordings show up in mythweb but not in the frontend. Presumably DB problem of some sort, but...ideas? |
| [22:14:27] | sphery: | DarthFrog: basically--but you also have to leave a file in place for MythTV to delete when you delete the recording (so you could then touch /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/<long number>.mpg or something) |
| [22:14:36] | wagnerrp: | he tried to do something neat, but misunderstood a variable. it only affects 0.27 |
| [22:14:47] | sphery: | DarthFrog: and you'd want to use a good name that conforms to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing so that you get metadata for the video |
| [22:15:30] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yea that is what we were seeing to. So it's a known issue? The bug reports we saw were marked minor and closed |
| [22:15:32] | sphery: | DarthFrog: but http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py is probably the easiest approach |
| [22:15:39] | sphery: | though it may need some updates |
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| [22:15:45] | sphery: | perhaps wagnerrp knows... :) |
| [22:15:45] | DarthFrog: | sphery: OK, thanks. |
| [22:16:01] | NathanKell: | (the frontend log claims SortedList is Empty) |
| [22:16:35] | wagnerrp: | there is a bug open. i forget the number |
| [22:16:37] | sphery: | NathanKell: full log showing startup through display of Watch Recordings screen, please |
| [22:16:43] | lapion: | thanks again sphery .... |
| [22:16:47] | NathanKell: | sure |
| [22:16:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11391 |
| [22:16:54] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: It prevents a remote frontend from connecting. This definitely destroys the WAF. |
| [22:16:55] | sphery: | ? |
| [22:16:59] | wagnerrp: | i closed most offf the tickets because they describedd an isssue that was not a bug |
| [22:17:01] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, #11393 |
| [22:17:01] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11393 ** | |
| [22:17:10] | sphery: | and 393 is the one you opened to follow up |
| [22:17:18] | wagnerrp: | i'm gggoing to stop typing because this latency is painful.... |
| [22:17:39] | NathanKell: | sphery: let me just reboot the system so everything's clean. Couple minutes. |
| [22:17:45] | sphery: | NathanKell: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Posting_Logs |
| [22:17:54] | sphery: | specifically, you might want to delete you rexisting files |
| [22:18:00] | sphery: | (see "Getting Useful Logs") |
| [22:18:30] | wagnerrp: | DarthFrog: 0.27 is a developmental build. it has no guaranteees of "WAF" |
| [22:18:54] | DarthFrog: | :-) yeah, I know. |
| [22:18:56] | sphery: | DarthFrog: agreed--and since you're just starting with MythTV, you should definitely be running the stable build |
| [22:19:22] | sphery: | I'm a dev and I /only/ run unstable on my dev box, and have stable on my production system |
| [22:19:39] | sphery: | because I learned the hard way that running unstable means you /will/ miss some recordings |
| [22:19:43] | DarthFrog: | Oh, I've been running MythTV for years. :-) I'm wanting the latest & greatest support for my HD-PVR. And this is a testing system. |
| [22:20:04] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [22:20:17] | sphery: | I thought with the new DB, you were just starting |
| [22:20:48] | sphery: | that said, I still recommend actually running the stable -fixes version for any system that actually records for you |
| [22:20:50] | DarthFrog: | Nope. I think 0.14 was where I satarted. |
| [22:21:58] | DarthFrog: | back in the days when you actually had to know what you were doing. I've gone soft. :-) |
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| [22:27:04] | NathanKell: | sphery: Frontend is http://paste.ubuntu.com/5615008/ and backend is http://paste.ubuntu.com/5615009/ |
| [22:29:57] | sphery: | NathanKell: btw, are you the guy from the -users list who had this issue? |
| [22:30:07] | sphery: | (the one I planned to get back to, but hadn't found time, yet) |
| [22:30:15] | Sharky-AFK is now known as Sharky112065 | |
| [22:30:37] | NathanKell: | sphery: Last I checked on the users list my message hadn't gone through. I'd be very happy if it did! |
| [22:31:29] | DarthFrog: | On the other hand, 0.27 and my HD-PVR work really well together. :-) |
| [22:32:06] | DarthFrog: | Using a CommandIR III to do the channel changes on my Motorola HD terminal. |
| [22:35:00] | NathanKell: | sphery: No apparently I'm not. Someone else, on Feb 3, (Andrey) has this problem too. My message to users never got through apparently. |
| [22:39:31] | NathanKell: | sphery: this was the email I sent to users. It has more details in case they're helpful. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5615048/ |
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| [22:44:46] | sphery: | NathanKell: if you didn't notice it, please check for a PM from me |
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