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| [00:00:15] | Bray90820: | well right now i have to go |
| [00:00:25] | Bray90820: | i will be back in like 20 minutes or so |
| [00:00:27] | ** Bray90820 is away ** | |
| [00:00:56] | tgm4883: | that's fine, the instructions will still be there when you get back |
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| [00:26:28] | ** Bray90820 is back ** | |
| [00:26:35] | Bray90820: | so what exactly should i do? |
| [00:27:19] | tgm4883: | 1) Drop the mythconverg database |
| [00:27:22] | tgm4883: | 2) dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database |
| [00:27:22] | Bray90820: | i just looked at the pastebin i sent you and it looks like there is some 0.26 stuff still in there |
| [00:27:29] | tgm4883: | no there is not |
| [00:28:15] | Bray90820: | look at the second line |
| [00:28:16] | Bray90820: | rc libmyth-0.26–0 |
| [00:29:27] | tgm4883: | that says it is removed |
| [00:29:34] | tgm4883: | that is what the r stands for in rc |
| [00:29:48] | Bray90820: | alright |
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| [00:31:40] | Bray90820: | database has been dropped |
| [00:32:08] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [00:32:42] | Bray90820: | Anything else i need to do |
| [00:33:35] | tgm4883: | um, step 2? |
| [00:34:02] | xur17: | Mythweb says: "No Frontends allow remote control." on the remote page -> I have network remote control enabled in the front end, and the front end is running. |
| [00:34:05] | xur17: | Any ideas? |
| [00:34:30] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 i did something wrong then |
| [00:34:44] | Bray90820: | i entered dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database without dropping the database |
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| [00:39:05] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 what should i do about that |
| [00:39:42] | tgm4883: | 1) Drop the mythconverg database |
| [00:39:46] | tgm4883: | 2) dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database |
| [00:40:08] | Bray90820: | what's the code to drop the database |
| [00:40:43] | tgm4883: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mysql+drop+database |
| [00:41:16] | Bray90820: | sorry |
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| [00:49:38] | Bray90820: | so is that it |
| [00:50:09] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 is that it |
| [00:50:31] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [00:50:36] | tgm4883: | I believe so |
| [00:50:56] | Bray90820: | alright |
| [00:51:09] | Bray90820: | is there anyway to check to see if it is configured correctly? |
| [00:51:36] | tgm4883: | what do you mean, configured correctly? |
| [00:52:15] | Bray90820: | basically my problem is i am not sure if i ever correctly dropped the database |
| [00:52:44] | tgm4883: | Did you happen to look and see if the database still existed after you dropped it? |
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| [00:53:14] | Bray90820: | well i dont really know how to do that |
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| [00:53:30] | tgm4883: | show databases; |
| [00:53:52] | Bray90820: | after i login to mysql? |
| [00:54:00] | tgm4883: | yes |
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| [00:54:52] | Bray90820: | sorry again but how to i login to mysql |
| [00:55:12] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, i..... I don't know if I have the patience anymore |
| [00:55:39] | Bray90820: | sorry |
| [00:55:43] | Bray90820: | i really am |
| [00:55:59] | Bray90820: | i know it's sudo mysql login |
| [00:56:08] | tgm4883: | no |
| [00:56:10] | tgm4883: | it's just |
| [00:56:12] | wagnerrp: | why would you sudo mysql anything? |
| [00:56:20] | tgm4883: | mysql -u root -p |
| [00:56:41] | wagnerrp: | you're not accessing a file that you might need special permissions for |
| [00:56:47] | wagnerrp: | you're accessing a server, over a socket |
| [00:56:53] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp it told me it has to be run with sudo |
| [00:57:08] | wagnerrp: | system permissions do not factor into this equation at any point |
| [00:57:11] | wagnerrp: | what tells you to use sudo? |
| [00:58:06] | Bray90820: | i typed in... |
| [00:58:10] | Bray90820: | mysql login |
| [00:58:16] | Bray90820: | and it said it had to be run as root |
| [00:59:06] | Bray90820: | but we don't ned to worry anymore i correctly dropped the database |
| [00:59:09] | tgm4883: | wtf is 'mysql login' |
| [00:59:29] | wagnerrp: | it means use the 'mysql' client to access the 'login' database |
| [00:59:46] | wagnerrp: | which almost certainly doesn't actually exist |
| [00:59:52] | Bray90820: | yea i was slightly confused |
| [01:00:10] | Bray90820: | but it's all cleared up now |
| [01:00:20] | Bray90820: | .i correctly dripped the database |
| [01:01:11] | Bray90820: | but here is a real question |
| [01:01:18] | Bray90820: | should i update to 0.26 |
| [01:01:30] | tgm4883: | i...... |
| [01:01:42] | Bray90820: | what now |
| [01:01:55] | tgm4883: | relevant http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/ . . . g?1240934151 |
| [01:02:12] | Bray90820: | what did i do now |
| [01:02:47] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, why have I been helping you revert to 0.25 from 0.26 (even after telling you that you should just fix you 0.26 install) just so you could reupgrade to 0.26? |
| [01:03:46] | Bray90820: | wouldn't you have had to do the same thing with 0.26 |
| [01:04:07] | tgm4883: | I wouldn't have had to walk you through downgrading packages |
| [01:04:16] | tgm4883: | or verifying your repos were correct |
| [01:04:41] | Bray90820: | sorry |
| [01:04:47] | Bray90820: | i really am |
| [01:05:06] | Bray90820: | i didn't mean to be such a pain |
| [01:06:19] | Bray90820: | what even is the problem with 0.26 |
| [01:06:58] | tgm4883: | http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg |
| [01:08:19] | Bray90820: | im sorry to be a pain but can you not insult me |
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| [01:10:50] | Bray90820: | do appreciate all the help tho |
| [01:11:49] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp someone here told me there were problems with 0.26 |
| [01:12:02] | Bray90820: | what would those be |
| [01:12:07] | wagnerrp: | some people have been reporting problems using live tv |
| [01:12:33] | Bray90820: | so would it be better if i stayed with 0.25 |
| [01:12:43] | wagnerrp: | do you intend to use live tv? |
| [01:13:01] | Bray90820: | yes |
| [01:13:05] | Bray90820: | a lot of it |
| [01:13:40] | Bray90820: | i am going to replace my tivo with mythtv |
| [01:14:57] | Bray90820: | so your recommending i stay with 0.25 |
| [01:15:14] | wagnerrp: | i don't make recommendations regarding live tv |
| [01:15:28] | wagnerrp: | i don't use it, so i have no experience from which to recommend anything |
| [01:15:44] | Bray90820: | what do you use mythtv for |
| [01:15:51] | wagnerrp: | i use it as a DVR |
| [01:15:56] | wagnerrp: | like a tivo |
| [01:16:42] | Bray90820: | so all you do is record with it? |
| [01:16:54] | wagnerrp: | and later watch those recordings |
| [01:17:09] | tgm4883: | In other words, what everyone should be doing |
| [01:17:11] | Bray90820: | yes |
| [01:17:14] | Bray90820: | alright |
| [01:17:25] | Bray90820: | so i will stick with 0.25 |
| [01:17:52] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 thank you for helping me with everything i appreciate it |
| [01:17:54] | ** tgm4883 shrugs ** | |
| [01:17:57] | tgm4883: | live tv works for me |
| [01:18:31] | tgm4883: | I believe as sphery put it, there doesn't exist a version of mythtv that doesn't have issues with livetv |
| [01:18:32] | wagnerrp: | last time i tried it a few months ago, it would stall after several channel changes |
| [01:19:08] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 i was planing on staying on 0.25 anyways but you guys were pushing me to upgrade to 0.26 so i just wondered if i should |
| [01:20:50] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 do you appreciate my thank you at least |
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| [01:27:20] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, I do |
| [01:27:54] | Bray90820: | i really do feel bad for annoying you |
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| [01:30:25] | Bray90820: | 1 final question since i have never actually done it before |
| [01:30:36] | Bray90820: | what is the code to run myth tv setup |
| [01:30:43] | wagnerrp: | 'mythtv-setup' |
| [01:31:00] | Bray90820: | thank you |
| [01:33:09] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 was the stuff we did suppose to remove any mythtv settings or anything |
| [01:33:26] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, it would have removed all mythtv settings. We dropped the database |
| [01:33:51] | Bray90820: | UGH |
| [01:34:20] | Bray90820: | for some reason all of my setting are still there |
| [01:35:41] | Bray90820: | even i'm starting to loose my patience now |
| [01:36:31] | tgm4883: | are you sure your settings are still in there and not the default settings |
| [01:39:15] | Bray90820: | they were but i just dropped the database again and there gone now |
| [01:39:32] | Bray90820: | i guess it didn't take the first time |
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| [01:52:47] | wayne__: | I've compiled the latest (development) version from GIT, and am now missing all Music options on the menus. I'd appreciate a quick pointer as to what I've done wrong. I haven't installed any of the external codec options as I'm not planning on encoding. |
| [01:54:53] | wagnerrp: | did you install the MythMusic plugin? |
| [02:00:11] | wayne__: | No, sorry for being stupid. I'm getting confused about which plugins are integrated and which aren't. My bad. |
| [02:01:02] | wagnerrp: | if it has a directory in 'mythplugins', then it is not integrated |
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| [02:04:05] | wayne__: | wagnerrp I really appreciate your help and patience |
| [02:07:16] | Oleg_: | even I pass the --disable-libmp3lame option to the configure script, it complains that mp3 lame needs to be installed in order to compile mythtv |
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| [02:09:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv needs lame for internal audio processing |
| [02:09:51] | wagnerrp: | that flag is only for use with mythffmpeg and the HLS stuff |
| [02:09:58] | wagnerrp: | it should probably just be removed |
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| [02:12:14] | Oleg_: | interesting, mythtv can't find mp3lame when I try to compile it with gcc from the base system or clang |
| [02:12:27] | Oleg_: | however, it can find mp3 lame if I try to compile it with gcc48 |
| [02:12:40] | ** Korny2 is so glad he is a noob and using mythbuntu :( ** | |
| [02:12:52] | Timrit: | could someone help me get a remote frontend to play live tv? it can play recordings just fine. |
| [02:13:58] | wagnerrp: | because there is some issue with the build script on freebsd, and you must give it |
| [02:14:50] | wagnerrp: | "--extra-cflags="-I/usr/local/include" --extra-ldflags=-L/usr/local/lib" |
| [02:15:29] | wagnerrp: | Timrit: what problem are you having, specifically? |
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| [02:16:42] | Bray90820: | so my recording wont record because my backend recorder is offline |
| [02:16:59] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: i get 'error opening jump program file buffer' |
| [02:18:47] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: this is output from cli window on frontend when attempting. http://pastie.org/private/ghzqnhyjvku24tjesb4dw |
| [02:18:56] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: that is two attempts at live tv. |
| [02:19:07] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, okay, even with those options added to the configure script, the configure script says that WARNING: Unknown C++ compiler clang++, unable to select optimal CXXFLAGS |
| [02:21:00] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: one more thing, the backend is also a frontend and it does play live tv just fine. |
| [02:21:38] | Korny2: | Timrit, are you using a cablecard? |
| [02:21:53] | Korny2: | I get that error when I have channels that the cable company bans |
| [02:22:04] | Korny2: | well not bans, but puts the no copy flag on |
| [02:23:31] | sheppard: | that should be criminal |
| [02:23:37] | Timrit: | i am using a sd usb tuner card |
| [02:23:55] | wagnerrp: | sheppard? |
| [02:24:03] | sheppard: | wagnerrp: the do not copy flag |
| [02:24:08] | sheppard: | or do not record |
| [02:24:26] | wagnerrp: | it's a copy protection flag, because cablecard is a DRM system |
| [02:24:38] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't mean customers cannot access the channel |
| [02:24:51] | wagnerrp: | it just means customers must use compliant software and equipment to access the channel |
| [02:25:03] | wagnerrp: | since mythtv is open source, it can never be compliant with any DRM scheme |
| [02:25:17] | Korny2: | Its not that many channels and its WIERD channels |
| [02:25:23] | Korny2: | Like dicovery ID channel |
| [02:25:29] | Korny2: | but not discovery |
| [02:25:39] | Korny2: | and truetv |
| [02:25:47] | Korny2: | I mean who really wants the record the crap from truetv |
| [02:25:53] | Timrit: | i can watch channels all day on the frontend |
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| [02:29:36] | voyo: | hello, a random question – DVB card is not working after resume PC from standby/sleep, I guess I should save/restore somehow its state. Where should I start to look at ? |
| [02:30:17] | wagnerrp: | some people write a wrapper script to unload the driver module prior to standby, and load it again when they come back |
| [02:32:50] | voyo: | hm, reloading driver is only (proper) way to do this ? (then I guess it needs also restarting myth-backend too ?) |
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| [02:34:52] | Bray90820: | why does mythtv say my backend recorder is offline |
| [02:37:01] | wagnerrp: | probably because it does not have permission to access it |
| [02:37:14] | wagnerrp: | or, somehow it got configured on a different machine |
| [02:39:07] | Bray90820: | how would i fix it |
| [02:41:33] | Korny2: | Bray90820, I applaud your preserverance, I'm so glad I had a much easier time with my setup |
| [02:42:03] | Oleg_: | and clang found the errors that gcc and gcc48 never found: |
| [02:42:06] | Oleg_: | In file included from subtitlereader.cpp:1: |
| [02:42:06] | Oleg_: | subtitlereader.cpp:37:44: error: no member named 'forced' in 'AVSubtitle' |
| [02:42:06] | Oleg_: | if (!m_AVSubtitlesEnabled && !subtitle.forced) |
| [02:44:09] | Bray90820: | Korny2 thank you |
| [02:44:13] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . odec.h#n3402 |
| [02:44:39] | wagnerrp: | looks like it does have a member named 'forced' |
| [02:45:36] | Bray90820: | Anyone know how to fix my problem |
| [02:45:51] | wagnerrp: | pastebin your backend logs |
| [02:46:56] | Oleg_: | well, online I found this conversation: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-06-07 |
| [02:47:12] | ** Korny2 is not looing forward to setting up an HD PVR, HD Homerune setups are silly easy ** | |
| [02:47:30] | wagnerrp: | that's 24 hours worth of conversation |
| [02:50:07] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, well, I noticed his errors were similar to mine |
| [02:50:09] | Korny2: | I didn't realize we are logged for prosperity :/ |
| [02:50:27] | wagnerrp: | whose? like i said, there is 24 hours worth of logs on that page |
| [02:50:39] | Oleg_: | I mean, in that irc conversation, the guy had similar errors related to member forced |
| [02:51:19] | Oleg_: | and you implied that mythtv wanted to build against external ffmpeg which resulted in those errors |
| [02:51:28] | Oleg_: | against freebsd's ffmpeg |
| [02:51:52] | wagnerrp: | yes, because of the -I and -L parameters I had you add to the ./configure string |
| [02:52:08] | wagnerrp: | it works to force the compiler to pick up liblame |
| [02:52:25] | wagnerrp: | but it has the side effect of picking up any conflicting installed libraries or headers |
| [02:52:36] | wagnerrp: | such as previous installations of mythtv, or system installations of ffmpeg |
| [02:52:50] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, and the solution to this problem would be what? |
| [02:53:08] | wagnerrp: | uninstall them, or figure out a more proper way to fix the liblame issue |
| [02:53:15] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [02:55:41] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, my goal is to debug mythtv, but you told me that I always end up with stripped binaries; that's why I wanna build it with clang, not with gcc48 |
| [02:55:57] | wagnerrp: | the compiler doesn't strip the binaries |
| [02:56:00] | wagnerrp: | /usr/bin/strip does |
| [02:56:17] | wagnerrp: | for whatever reason, your makefile is running 'strip' on them prior to installing them |
| [02:57:34] | Bray90820: | once again my logs are to big for pastebin because it doesn't log the backend separately anymore |
| [02:57:35] | Bray90820: | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33402675/Log.txt |
| [02:57:52] | Oleg_: | so, you are saying my makefile will behave in the same way even if I build mythtv with clang? |
| [02:58:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, since it happens independently of the compiler |
| [03:00:07] | Oleg_: | well, you also run freebsd, but you have no idea what causes my makefile behave in the way that it does? |
| [03:02:26] | wagnerrp: | the buildbot produces unstripped binaries, here is the latest run... http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/3381 |
| [03:02:46] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . e/logs/stdio |
| [03:04:11] | Oleg_: | you're saying those binaries will work on my system if I am running freebsd-amd64? |
| [03:04:59] | wagnerrp: | Bray90820: "Jan 26 19:38:29 server mythbackend[6964]: W CoreContext main_helpers.cpp:211 (setupTVs) MythBackend: No valid capture cards are defined in the database." |
| [03:05:19] | Bray90820: | that's odd |
| [03:05:33] | Bray90820: | because from what i can tell there all setup correctly |
| [03:06:45] | Oleg_: | but I don't wanna deal with the master branch |
| [03:06:59] | Oleg_: | I wanna stick to the fixes branch |
| [03:07:10] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.26 . . . it/builds/71 |
| [03:14:09] | Bray90820: | so what should i do aout the tuner error |
| [03:14:48] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, I am confused. that page contains actual binaries or just the instructions for building mythtv? |
| [03:15:08] | wagnerrp: | you can pull up the 'configure core' step to see the configure line used by the buildbot |
| [03:16:44] | Timrit: | ok i have a silly question. i just was given a lspci |
| [03:16:46] | Timrit: | oops |
| [03:17:10] | wagnerrp: | so, not a question? |
| [03:17:17] | Timrit: | yeah i have one. hang on |
| [03:18:35] | wagnerrp: | what was the "oops" |
| [03:19:38] | Timrit: | i was just given a card that identifies as a haupaugge pvr-150 and lspci shows Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) Video Decoder (rev 01). |
| [03:20:02] | Timrit: | how should that be configured in mythtv-setup |
| [03:20:11] | wagnerrp: | as an MPEG encoder |
| [03:20:35] | Timrit: | it will be tuning basic cable channels 3–69 on charter cable. |
| [03:21:04] | Oleg_: | --enable-symbol-visibility makes sure that mythtv binaries are built with debug symbols? |
| [03:22:12] | wagnerrp: | hmm... yeah, thay might be it |
| [03:22:19] | wagnerrp: | *that |
| [03:22:28] | wagnerrp: | i had actually thought it was the compile type |
| [03:23:00] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: the choices dont have MPEG specifically. is it a MJPEG capture card or MPEG-2 encoder card? |
| [03:23:09] | wagnerrp: | the latter |
| [03:23:15] | Timrit: | hmmmm |
| [03:24:35] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: how about if it identifies as a haupaugge WinTV pvr-150? same thing? |
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| [03:24:51] | Korny2: | Do they even sell MJPEG cards anymore? |
| [03:25:06] | wagnerrp: | the only mjpeg cards i know of are the old plextor units |
| [03:25:30] | Korny2: | Didn't they take squential pictures or some wierd thing like that? |
| [03:25:41] | wagnerrp: | more or less |
| [03:26:07] | wagnerrp: | it's a computationally cheap compression, but not very effective |
| [03:26:21] | Korny2: | Well they were around when CPU was at a premium |
| [03:26:44] | wagnerrp: | it was a hardware compressor. it didn't run off the CPU |
| [03:26:45] | Korny2: | THe reason desktop sales are declining so bad is there really is no reason to upgrade |
| [03:26:48] | Korny2: | oh |
| [03:28:23] | Korny2: | I feel so old, i was looking at quakeworld pictures and I always thought the graphics were great in quakeworld, I look back at them now and they don't look much better then wolfeinstine 3d :( |
| [03:28:37] | tonsofpcs: | I imagine that there's some HD MJPEG cards out there. I know of MJPEG-in-ASI and MJPEG-in-IP bridges that take SDI in... |
| [03:29:08] | wagnerrp: | there was one key difference between wolfenstein and quake(world)... quake was 3D |
| [03:29:18] | wagnerrp: | even doom wasn't truly 3D |
| [03:29:48] | tonsofpcs: | Doom was a 3D render of a 2D game |
| [03:29:57] | Korny2: | But it looked so blocky is what I mean |
| [03:30:17] | Korny2: | I even had a voodoo2 card(used my highschool graduation fund to buy one) |
| [03:30:19] | tonsofpcs: | Duke Nukem (build engine) was a 3D render of a bunch of stacked 2D games (kinda, sorta) |
| [03:30:25] | Korny2: | so I could do opengl |
| [03:30:34] | tonsofpcs: | I thought the Quake engine was similar to the build engine.... |
| [03:30:52] | wagnerrp: | the voodoos didn't go opengl |
| [03:30:58] | wagnerrp: | they did 3dfx glide |
| [03:31:09] | Korny2: | yes but it was a GL version |
| [03:31:14] | Korny2: | I thought |
| [03:31:14] | wagnerrp: | opengl was a similar but non-proprietary version |
| [03:31:25] | Korny2: | because you had to delete opengl.dll from the quake directory |
| [03:31:50] | tonsofpcs: | ah, quake was 3d rendered but it was limited in design ability |
| [03:31:59] | tonsofpcs: | build was basically unlimited |
| [03:32:01] | Korny2: | I had a matrox millenium II 4mb card, the voodoo2 had 12 megs I think lol |
| [03:32:17] | ** Korny2 thinks cell phones have more power nowdays ** | |
| [03:32:19] | tonsofpcs: | I've got some cards with GLint chips on them... |
| [03:32:54] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp do you know what to do about my tuner cards |
| [03:33:02] | Bray90820: | not cards |
| [03:33:05] | Bray90820: | but tuner |
| [03:33:05] | Korny2: | It just makes me feel old, I wonder what games will look like in 20 years |
| [03:33:36] | wagnerrp: | however you configured them, you did so wrongly |
| [03:33:51] | Bray90820: | hum |
| [03:33:54] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: go outside and kick a football. They'll look like that. |
| [03:34:14] | Korny2: | tonsofpcs, Can you imagine how bad MMO's will be then |
| [03:34:15] | wagnerrp: | the backend has decided there is something wrong and it cannot use those tuners |
| [03:34:22] | wagnerrp: | there's not enough verbose logging to explain why |
| [03:34:29] | Bray90820: | i did it like i did last time and it worked last time |
| [03:34:36] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: go to the mall. |
| [03:34:39] | Korny2: | people will literally die from dehydration |
| [03:35:04] | Korny2: | I could see a time where offices don't exist and everything is done in VR |
| [03:35:43] | wagnerrp: | it's an exponential problem, but no manufacturing process grows exponentially forever |
| [03:36:00] | Bray90820: | could it be that mythbackend is not running |
| [03:36:32] | wagnerrp: | graphics will continue to increase, but power is going to start going into other tasks |
| [03:36:54] | Korny2: | Smellovision |
| [03:37:32] | wagnerrp: | nah, i mean things like better ai, better physics... background things |
| [03:39:40] | Korny2: | I want star trek holodecks |
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| [03:40:47] | wagnerrp: | we're several orders of magnitude away from the pixel density necessary to achieve that |
| [03:41:03] | wagnerrp: | at least visually, the concept is simple enough |
| [03:41:47] | Korny2: | I think they will make machines that will affect brainwaves to make VR personally |
| [03:41:54] | Bray90820: | Answer me this |
| [03:42:09] | Bray90820: | i restarted my computer and everything is now working |
| [03:42:15] | Bray90820: | why |
| [03:42:25] | wagnerrp: | what type of tuner? |
| [03:42:41] | Bray90820: | HDhomerun Prime |
| [03:42:55] | wagnerrp: | don't know |
| [03:43:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesn't use the locking mechanisms on that |
| [03:43:11] | Bray90820: | whatever |
| [03:43:14] | Bray90820: | it all works |
| [03:43:27] | wagnerrp: | and there are no file file permissions for it to be causing problems either |
| [03:43:56] | Korny2: | ...... |
| [03:44:00] | Bray90820: | maybe mythbackend wasn't running |
| [03:44:11] | Korny2: | Bray90820, when you set up your HDHRprime |
| [03:44:18] | Korny2: | did you set it up by IP or by device ID |
| [03:45:43] | Bray90820: | device id |
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| [03:46:37] | Korny2: | Strange, my HD homeruns and prime have all been rock stable |
| [03:46:49] | Korny2: | Infact I restart my router more often then them |
| [03:47:06] | Bray90820: | it seems to all work now |
| [03:47:41] | Bray90820: | i think it was a mythtv error not a prime error |
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| [03:50:29] | Bray90820: | Anyways back to setting up my recordings |
| [03:57:58] | voyo: | is there some way to force mythfrontend to restart communication with lircd ? |
| [03:58:19] | wagnerrp: | you could try -HUPing it |
| [03:58:20] | voyo: | (without restarting whole frontend ofc) |
| [03:59:02] | wagnerrp: | that's standard practice for POSIX systems, and i know it obeys it for logging |
| [03:59:13] | wagnerrp: | (or at least used to before the external logging server was added) |
| [04:00:44] | voyo: | erm, wont work for restarting talking to lircd :( |
| [04:01:04] | voyo: | (lircd is ok, irw is working fine) |
| [04:01:18] | wagnerrp: | probably wouldn't be too hard to re-purpose that hook for lirc |
| [04:03:03] | voyo: | should I report this as a bug, or feature-request? |
| [04:03:17] | wagnerrp: | neither |
| [04:03:30] | wagnerrp: | it's not technically a bug, and trac doesn't take feature requests |
| [04:04:54] | voyo: | ha, (handleSIGUSR2) – Restarting LIRC handler |
| [04:04:55] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: http://www.sensoray.com/products/614.htm |
| [04:04:56] | voyo: | :) |
| [04:06:19] | wagnerrp: | looks like something for security systems |
| [04:06:57] | Korny2: | I'm not sure if this is possible in myth, but is there a way to convert a networked webcam and turn it into a mythtv channel? :) |
| [04:07:05] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: yea, same company seems to make cards with pulse input/output as well |
| [04:07:07] | Korny2: | I thought I read of a way to do it |
| [04:07:30] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: yea, buy a few grand of broadcast encoders, a modulator, and a decoder card ;) |
| [04:07:31] | wagnerrp: | networked? |
| [04:07:57] | wagnerrp: | depending on the mechanism, you might be able to use the HLS recorder code in 0.27 |
| [04:08:10] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you might need to use VLC as a middle layer |
| [04:08:17] | Korny2: | Cameras that attach via IP either hardwired or wirelss |
| [04:08:18] | tonsofpcs: | I imagine you could somehow pipe it into a MPEG2 or 4 stream and get it into the system. |
| [04:08:33] | wagnerrp: | capturing the video and spitting it back out as an IPTV feed |
| [04:08:55] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: myth supports rt(s)p channels? |
| [04:09:04] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:09:13] | Korny2: | I've thought about making it like an apartmetn security camera so you know who's at the front door |
| [04:09:17] | tonsofpcs: | hmmm... |
| [04:09:49] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: I don't see how myth would factor into that... except maybe if you have a ton of frontends and want to make it a 'channel' somewhere away from the door |
| [04:09:49] | wagnerrp: | might be better to use something like zoneminder |
| [04:10:11] | wagnerrp: | although personally, i've never liked the architecture of zoneminder |
| [04:10:13] | Korny2: | tonsofpcs, so when the wifes home alone she can just change the channel to see who's there |
| [04:10:37] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: seems like for a 'security' system, you'd want a separate monitor and a direct (non-buffered/queued) feed |
| [04:10:51] | wagnerrp: | zoneminder is not designed to allow the clustered approach |
| [04:11:00] | Korny2: | tonsofpcs, I've also thought about using it as a baby monitor :) |
| [04:11:08] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: there are delays with encoding. |
| [04:11:08] | wagnerrp: | so even with mythzoneminder, it doesn't really mesh well |
| [04:11:11] | tonsofpcs: | there's a reason that high end security systems use HDSDI and not ethernet. |
| [04:11:12] | voyo: | and lost her favorite movie in live-tv? doubt ;) |
| [04:11:24] | tonsofpcs: | and those that use ethernet or computer buses use low-delay compression like MJPEG |
| [04:11:32] | tonsofpcs: | voyo: :) |
| [04:11:40] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: because HDSDI over coaxial has much longer range |
| [04:12:05] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with any inadequacies of ethernet |
| [04:12:28] | wagnerrp: | compute clusters don't use ethernet because it's too slow, but it's plenty fast for security systems |
| [04:12:31] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: it has nothing to do with ethernet, it's because to put it on a network you need to encode and decode and those take time (and have all sorts of added issues) |
| [04:12:40] | Korny2: | Speaking of which, whats a good switch brand to look at that will handle 100 foot runs of cat6 my dlink POSes can't do it reliably |
| [04:12:40] | voyo: | but define some hotkey for PIP for that security/baby camera – makes sense :) |
| [04:12:55] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: get better cat6. |
| [04:12:57] | wagnerrp: | you have to encode to put it on HDSDI |
| [04:13:10] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: uh... SDI is uncompressed. |
| [04:13:11] | Korny2: | tonsofpcs, if I hook it up straight to the PC its fine |
| [04:13:20] | wagnerrp: | uncompressed, yes... but still encoded |
| [04:13:21] | Korny2: | its the switch |
| [04:13:39] | wagnerrp: | it's just an encoding format with no intraframe compression |
| [04:13:40] | tonsofpcs: | if you're talking about symbols then, yes, real-time encoded... |
| [04:13:55] | tonsofpcs: | no interframe compression either. |
| [04:14:07] | ** Korny2 loves how 1 conversation goes to another in this channel :/ ** | |
| [04:14:24] | tonsofpcs: | it's just SAV..............EAV over and over and over ;) |
| [04:14:42] | tonsofpcs: | (ok, there's some VANC and HANC in between) |
| [04:14:42] | wagnerrp: | i mean you can have RGB, you can have YUV... you can have different packing formats... |
| [04:15:17] | tonsofpcs: | SMPTE 292M... |
| [04:15:38] | Phiro: | So, I was having some non-myth issues so I did the 12.10 quantal upgrade, and now mythbuntu can |
| [04:15:59] | Korny2: | Does Vpdau support pip btw? |
| [04:16:15] | Korny2: | Last time I tired it it just gave me a big green screen |
| [04:16:19] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU does... but i'm not sure whether mythtv's implementation does |
| [04:16:40] | Phiro: | sorry – can't even get past the boot up screen. I went to reinstall 12.04 mythbuntu, but I get the option of installing side-by-side or replacing and losing everything. |
| [04:17:18] | ** Korny2 guesses its a graphical issues ** | |
| [04:17:20] | Phiro: | Since I let it autopartition an empty drive when I installed Mythbuntu, what options do I have to get the media I copied into the \videos share and then reinstall? |
| [04:17:40] | wagnerrp: | phiro: do you have any other linux computers? |
| [04:17:57] | Korny2: | wagnerrp, he could also use a live cd couldn't he? |
| [04:18:08] | wagnerrp: | that could probably work too |
| [04:18:19] | Korny2: | but why not just fix the issue |
| [04:18:21] | tonsofpcs: | seems that HDSDI only supports Y/C-r/C-b 4:2:2... |
| [04:18:25] | Phiro: | Wagner: Nope. |
| [04:18:39] | Phiro: | How would I fix it if I can't boot it up? |
| [04:18:42] | tonsofpcs: | (well, Y Y' Cb Cr) |
| [04:19:09] | Korny2: | Boot to prompt and set graphics to default |
| [04:19:36] | Korny2: | More then likely you'r eissue |
| [04:19:36] | Phiro: | What's the command to boot to prompt? |
| [04:19:48] | Korny2: | Are you using ubuntu? |
| [04:19:54] | Korny2: | doesn't grub give you an option? |
| [04:19:55] | wagnerrp: | boot some recovery CD. chroot into your old installation. manually run mysqld and dump your database. copy the database dump and your recordings to some external storage. reformat and reinstall from scratch. |
| [04:19:55] | voyo: | Korny2: PIP & vdpau works for me fine, just checked |
| [04:20:00] | Phiro: | Yes. Mythbuntu upgraded to 12.10 |
| [04:20:06] | Korny2: | voyo, wonder what I'm doing wrong then |
| [04:20:43] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: i'm just getting at the fact that everything is encoded |
| [04:20:52] | voyo: | Korny2 : maybe depends on version.. I have something new, compiled myself |
| [04:20:52] | wagnerrp: | even old binary TTY signals are encoded |
| [04:20:55] | Phiro: | I don't have any recordings I want to keep, just the videos in the \videos share. |
| [04:21:25] | wagnerrp: | so just move those videos onto a spare hard drive |
| [04:21:36] | tonsofpcs: | baudot isn't binary... |
| [04:21:40] | Korny2: | Are you ati or nvidia or intel graphics? |
| [04:21:45] | tonsofpcs: | :) |
| [04:21:47] | Phiro: | sure – i'm just trying to figure out how to get it booted up with network support. |
| [04:22:03] | tonsofpcs: | the point with HDSDI v something over (IP over) Ethernet is the delay. |
| [04:22:35] | wagnerrp: | only because the ethernet used tends to be sufficiently slow that they need to compress it |
| [04:23:03] | voyo: | final thing yet to make my suspending works satisfactorily – how to force mythffrontend to stop live-tv (or anything else) and go to "main menu" , (from script) |
| [04:23:05] | voyo: | ? |
| [04:23:59] | tonsofpcs: | I'd challenge anyone to design a system that is usable by COTS that can enter SD video into transport over ethernet (yet alone display on the other side) as fast as HDSDI can handle 720p/1080i. |
| [04:24:08] | wagnerrp: | voyo: use the remote control interfaces on ports 6546 or 6547 |
| [04:25:12] | voyo: | wagnerrp hm I tought about that.. but thats probably more difficult ,needs some more reading , not at 5am :) |
| [04:25:39] | tonsofpcs: | I'll even offer (up to) a frame of head-start by syncing to an external timing source |
| [04:27:02] | wagnerrp: | just use some kind of stream compressor, and tie it all into a switch with a nice 10G or 40G uplink |
| [04:27:16] | wagnerrp: | wouldn't be too difficult |
| [04:27:53] | wagnerrp: | it would be expensive, but then it's not like HDSDI gear is particularly cheap |
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| [04:30:10] | tonsofpcs: | stream compressor? |
| [04:30:31] | wagnerrp: | gzip/bzip/lzma/etc... |
| [04:30:41] | tonsofpcs: | those take time... |
| [04:31:12] | wagnerrp: | not if you use them correctly |
| [04:31:19] | tonsofpcs: | I can see an image from an HDSDI camera before it starts capturing the next image... |
| [04:31:54] | wagnerrp: | as could you with a properly implemented stream compressor |
| [04:32:31] | wagnerrp: | you design it to be open ended, rather than requiring a complete checksummed file like traditional file compressors |
| [04:32:39] | tonsofpcs: | ok, how do you get the bits in? also, how do you need a 10G or 40G uplink for SD video? SDI is 270Mbps... 1G should be plenty. |
| [04:32:58] | wagnerrp: | HDSDI is 3Gbps |
| [04:33:05] | tonsofpcs: | HDSDI is 1.5Gbps. |
| [04:33:14] | tonsofpcs: | and the challenge was for SD video. |
| [04:33:32] | tonsofpcs: | (well, 1.485 or somesuch, but close enough) |
| [04:33:53] | wagnerrp: | i'm talking about making it something capable of handling a bunch of cameras |
| [04:33:59] | tonsofpcs: | "3G [SDI]" and "Dual link HDSDI" are 3Gbps. |
| [04:34:39] | wagnerrp: | the individual cameras are relatively low, but you would be coalescing a bunch into a switch with a trunked uplink |
| [04:35:00] | tonsofpcs: | I'm waiting for how one would work... |
| [04:35:12] | wagnerrp: | anyway, look at things like huffyuv |
| [04:35:40] | wagnerrp: | they don't operate on frames, or motion vectors, or anything of that sort |
| [04:35:45] | wagnerrp: | they just operate on the data stream |
| [04:35:54] | wagnerrp: | with a rolling dictionary |
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| [04:36:37] | wagnerrp: | and a modern PC would probably be capable of handling several thousand frames per second of HD video |
| [04:36:43] | tonsofpcs: | You're already behind because you're taking the data stream into a block with at least one inverter or buffer and putting it back out. |
| [04:37:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, behind on the order of a few milliseconds |
| [04:37:23] | tonsofpcs: | a few dozen, easily. |
| [04:37:38] | wagnerrp: | a few dozen is still less than one frame behind |
| [04:37:44] | tonsofpcs: | more likely closer to a few hundred. |
| [04:37:58] | ** Korny2 ponders this can of worms he opened up ** | |
| [04:38:18] | tonsofpcs: | and even more likely closer to seconds |
| [04:38:53] | tonsofpcs: | and now back to Korny2's situation, it needs to go through a myth backend and over to a myth frontend with the additional HDD buffering... |
| [04:39:14] | wagnerrp: | with mythtv in the mix, you are talking about a few seconds, yes |
| [04:39:21] | wagnerrp: | i'm just talking about theoretical |
| [04:40:07] | tonsofpcs: | theoretical, HDSDI still wins because anyone building such a system will use SDI as an input to their IP encode block. (commercial MJPEG encoders and decoders exist and they can have less than 1 frame delay end-to-end) |
| [04:40:34] | wagnerrp: | right, because you're still talking full frame compression |
| [04:40:35] | wagnerrp: | i'm not |
| [04:41:00] | tonsofpcs: | those do chunks not full frames. |
| [04:41:09] | tonsofpcs: | full frame MJPEG takes more than a frame. |
| [04:41:26] | tonsofpcs: | yes, data stream could be a bit faster. |
| [04:42:32] | wagnerrp: | take a look at some of the compressed filesystems like ZFS |
| [04:42:44] | wagnerrp: | they're running stream compression at the individual block level |
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| [04:43:04] | wagnerrp: | so you're talking latencies of however long it takes for a few tens of KB to flow through |
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| [04:43:58] | Korny2: | wagnerrp, I see why you recommended zoneminder |
| [04:44:03] | Korny2: | or whoever did |
| [04:44:12] | Korny2: | Does the plugin for it still work iwth 0.26 |
| [04:44:19] | wagnerrp: | zoneminder is designed as a roll-your-own security system |
| [04:44:26] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, it only operates on a single system |
| [04:44:40] | wagnerrp: | and mythzoneminder only works on the system running zoneminder (it needs shared memory access to it) |
| [04:44:54] | wagnerrp: | so if you have multiple frontends, it won't work |
| [04:45:16] | Korny2: | oh |
| [04:45:41] | Korny2: | It looks like you can run an ipcamera through vlc |
| [04:46:02] | Korny2: | Well somethign to condider eventually |
| [04:59:14] | Phiro: | well, I booted off the 12.04 mythbuntu usb install stick, installed smbfs and mounted a windows 7 fileshare and am copying all my videos off; once that's complete I'll reboot and reinstall. I think I should seperate the drives this time if possible. |
| [04:59:17] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, ok, please look at this: http://pastebin.com/qErpLH9J |
| [05:00:08] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, so, does it have the debugging info that you need? |
| [05:00:12] | wagnerrp: | looks good, but you pulled out the wrong thread |
| [05:00:28] | wagnerrp: | you pulled 100763, but the error was in 100402 |
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| [05:01:21] | Oleg_: | okay, so do I pull the thread that we need? |
| [05:01:26] | Oleg_: | how do I pull |
| [05:01:35] | wagnerrp: | same way you did the first time |
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| [05:01:59] | Oleg_: | I typed "gdb751 mythfrontend -x gdbcommands" |
| [05:02:09] | ** Korny2 couldn't copy all his videos off his /video drive... it would take a couple days me thinks, 8 tb :/ ** | |
| [05:02:23] | Oleg_: | as I keep saying, this segmentation fault occurs when I try to tune to a different channel |
| [05:02:32] | wagnerrp: | get rid of the 'x', just run mythfrontend |
| [05:02:38] | wagnerrp: | and when it terminates, run 'bt full' |
| [05:03:00] | Oleg_: | what do you mean? "gdb751 gdbcommands"? |
| [05:03:04] | Oleg_: | oops |
| [05:03:11] | Oleg_: | gdb751 mythfrontend gdbcommands? |
| [05:03:14] | Oleg_: | like this? |
| [05:03:19] | wagnerrp: | no, no gdbcommands |
| [05:03:36] | wagnerrp: | you don't even need to run mythfrontend within the debugger |
| [05:03:47] | wagnerrp: | you can rebuild the backtrace off a core dump |
| [05:03:54] | Oleg_: | okay, let's try it |
| [05:07:49] | Oleg_: | okay, how do I paste the output from bt full? |
| [05:08:17] | wagnerrp: | ah, guess that was the purpose of 'gdbcommands' |
| [05:09:38] | Oleg_: | by the way, mythfrontend doesn' |
| [05:09:43] | Oleg_: | t terminate |
| [05:10:07] | wagnerrp: | it terminates with the segfault |
| [05:10:27] | Oleg_: | okay, maybe it does |
| [05:10:36] | Oleg_: | it's just that it is still seen in my taskbar |
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| [05:14:50] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, what about this: http://pastebin.com/5h2fr4Yk ? |
| [05:15:31] | wagnerrp: | looks good |
| [05:16:06] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if this is one of those QString thread safety issues |
| [05:18:07] | Oleg_: | so, u think the bug is in qt? |
| [05:19:57] | wagnerrp: | there are known issues with thread safety in Qt due to how everything is copy-on-write |
| [05:20:22] | wagnerrp: | sometimes you have to explicitly tell it to spawn a completely new instances of some piece of data |
| [05:25:33] | Oleg_: | well, maybe it's the fault of mythtv that qt behaves this way? |
| [05:26:05] | wagnerrp: | that's my initial guess |
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| [05:27:25] | Oleg_: | well, if you are satisfied with the debugging info that you see, then maybe you already have an idea what changes you can make to mythtv code in order to prevent this issue from happening again? |
| [05:27:54] | wagnerrp: | i have an idea of what might be the cause... just based off seeing it segfaulting in a Qt constructor |
| [05:28:06] | wagnerrp: | doesn't mean i have any idea where the error might actually be |
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| [05:30:07] | Oleg_: | well, it's an annoying segfault because it doesn't allow me to switch to a different channel in mythfrontend |
| [05:30:11] | Oleg_: | what should I do? |
| [05:30:50] | wagnerrp: | open a ticket, upload the backtrace |
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| [05:37:29] | Oleg_: | looks good: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11382 ? |
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| [05:50:40] | Oleg_: | how come every time I do the same operation, I get a different output? Look at this: http://pastebin.com/9DZsaLC9 |
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| [05:56:04] | Oleg_: | any idea why? |
| [05:56:53] | wagnerrp: | nope, you should be getting backtraces for all 20–30 threads |
| [05:57:58] | Oleg_: | I always do exactly the same thing, which is trying to switch to a different channel |
| [05:58:39] | Oleg_: | and the backtrace output always looks different from a previous output |
| [06:02:28] | Oleg_: | also, are you sure I will still have the same problem if I try to compile mythtv with a different compiler? |
| [06:03:10] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [06:04:45] | Oleg_: | I tried to compile it with clang, but it wants to use the libstdc++ library 4.2 for that purpose, and it creates a confusion with abs which is included in both cstdlib and some other header file |
| [06:05:19] | Oleg_: | I have libc++ library installed, but I don't know how to force clang to use it during a compilation |
| [06:05:58] | Oleg_: | I know the command -stdlib=libc++, but I only used it with single files |
| [06:06:22] | Oleg_: | I don't know how to pass this option to configure |
| [06:07:11] | Oleg_: | also, the configure script complains it doesn't know about clang++, but I noticed that mythtv still uses clang++ during compiling |
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| [09:29:20] | jarle_tab: | As far as I can see there is no way to set up a quick playlist of videos, im the same manner as with recordings? |
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| [10:42:33] | Igramul: | Hi, when I reduce the recording priority of a channel does it (a) prefer recording the same show on another channel or (b) prefer to drop the recording in case of conflics or (c) both. |
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| [10:45:49] | lyricnz: | (off topic) wahoo, finally stock kernel supports my dub card. yay! |
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| [11:58:51] | Finswimmer: | Hello. I have mythtv-0.26 installed. If I list "upcoming recordings" in mythweb and click on one planned recording I get "Warning: Unknown recording"(or similar: translated from german). The newly opened page is: http://192.168.1.2/mythweb/tv/list?time=1357495200 but the link of the recording was:http://192.168.1.2/mythweb/tv/detail/20501/1359393000 |
| [12:04:44] | Finswimmer: | If i click on a show in "tv-program" I can see the details of this show. The link is: http://192.168.1.2/mythweb/tv/detail/31006/1359288000 |
| [12:05:26] | Finswimmer: | Which is the same as the link above. Except one time it is working. The other time not... |
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| [12:07:44] | Finswimmer: | Strange: The show shown in "upcoming recordings" is 28.01.2013 18:05 and in "tv-program" it is shown at 28.01.2013 17:05. Which is the explanation of the error as the time in the link is just wrong by an offset of 1 hour. |
| [12:08:18] | Finswimmer: | But all recordings are starting at the right time. They are only listed wrong at "tv-program". |
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| [12:12:25] | Finswimmer: | So...to sum up: A recording with real start 18:05 is listed on "tv-program" with 17:05 and on "upcoming recordings" with 18:05. |
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| [12:36:02] | Finswimmer: | Ok. An update to the latest mythweb has solved the problem |
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| [16:48:50] | ** wagnerrp just blocked the wang ** | |
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| [17:34:43] | Oleg_: | how would I fix this error: |
| [17:34:46] | Oleg_: | mythmiscutil.h:17:55: error: unknown type name 'time_t' |
| [17:34:47] | Oleg_: | ? |
| [17:37:12] | Oleg_: | is it supposed to use time.h from the base system? |
| [17:37:15] | wagnerrp: | #include "compat.h" |
| [17:39:33] | Oleg_: | it's just that I wanna attempt to compile mythtv with clang |
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| [17:44:35] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying that nothing in the list of includes seems to be including the proper system header |
| [17:44:41] | wagnerrp: | so you add that line somewhere to the file |
| [17:44:52] | wagnerrp: | and it takes care of including the proper header |
| [17:45:39] | Oleg_: | what about these errors: http://pastebin.com/XUzSrL9p ? |
| [17:46:37] | wagnerrp: | it's because those structures and functions are located in a different system header in freebsd than they are in linux |
| [17:46:58] | wagnerrp: | and while the default toolchain in freebsd picks up the proper location, apparently the clang toolchain does not |
| [17:47:08] | wagnerrp: | so you need to force the proper include |
| [17:47:28] | wagnerrp: | which you do by including compat.h, found in mythtv/libs/libmythbase/compat.h |
| [17:48:07] | wagnerrp: | it performs various checks on the system type, and makes the necessary changes to suit a number of different issues, one of which being the location of the POSIX time functions |
| [17:48:10] | Oleg_: | are you saying that every single one of those errors will be fixed by including compat.h? |
| [17:48:21] | wagnerrp: | very possibly |
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| [17:56:46] | Oleg_: | okay, those errors were indeed fixed, but this seems like a different type of error: |
| [17:56:57] | Oleg_: | mythgesture.cpp:287:9: error: use of undeclared identifier 'abs'; did you mean 'fabs'? |
| [17:57:13] | wagnerrp: | probably the same issue |
| [17:57:30] | wagnerrp: | it's missing some basic math header that should provide functions for absolute values |
| [17:58:16] | Oleg_: | well, it says that |
| [17:58:19] | Oleg_: | /usr/include/math.h:214:8: note: 'fabs' declared here |
| [17:58:19] | Oleg_: | double fabs(double) __attribute__((__const__)); |
| [17:58:43] | wagnerrp: | but we don't want to use fabs, we want to use the abs defined in compat.h |
| [17:59:17] | Oleg_: | ok |
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| [18:02:24] | Oleg_: | well, including compat.h didn't fix this particular error |
| [18:04:35] | wagnerrp: | try including <stdlib.h> |
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| [18:09:19] | Oleg_: | yes, that fixed the error, thanks. but I included <cstdlib>, not <stdlib.h> |
| [18:09:48] | wagnerrp: | same thing, just newer syntax |
| [18:09:55] | fbnts: | Hi, i'm having issues when downloading coverart. According to the frontend log it is downloading the image file but when it tries to save it to the backend I get: Image Download: Error Writing Image to file: myth://Coverart@192.168.5.200:6543/1895_coverart.jpg |
| [18:10:11] | fbnts: | the only entry I can see related to it in the backend log is: ProcessRequest ringbuffer.cpp:519 (Start) RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/coverart//1895_coverart.jpg): Not starting read ahead thread, this is a write only RingBuffer |
| [18:10:38] | wagnerrp: | does the backend have write permission to that path? |
| [18:10:44] | fbnts: | followed by the following line after what I presume the frontend re-requests the file: ProcessRequest fileringbuffer.cpp:282 (OpenFile) FileRingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/coverart//1895_coverart.jpg): OpenFile(): File too small (0B). |
| [18:11:09] | fbnts: | yes, the directory is owned by mythtv |
| [18:12:02] | fbnts: | it appears to create the file but doesn't save the image data into it |
| [18:15:48] | wagnerrp: | 192.168.5.200 is your master backend? |
| [18:16:38] | fbnts: | yep, my frontend is 192.168.5.52 |
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| [18:34:53] | Oleg_: | now I get a lot of linker errors such as this one: |
| [18:34:55] | Oleg_: | ../../libs/libmythbase/libmythbase-0.26.so: undefined reference to `typeinfo for std::__1::basic_ostream<char, std::__1::char_traits<char> >' |
| [18:36:56] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: if you can't work through these errors on your own and submit a patch to fix them, why are you trying to compile MythTV on an untested toolchain? |
| [18:39:43] | Oleg_: | I guess I wanna see if mythfrontend will still crash when trying to change a channel |
| [18:40:05] | Oleg_: | that's why I am trying to compile mythtv with clang now |
| [18:40:09] | wagnerrp: | but there's no reason that cannot be done on the tools packaged with the basic FreeBSD install |
| [18:40:31] | wagnerrp: | i don't understand why you chose to start using clang |
| [18:43:14] | Oleg_: | but can't those problems with undefined references be easily fixed? |
| [18:44:04] | wagnerrp: | sure, by someone actually using that toolchain, sitting down with it, and fixing it |
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| [18:53:29] | Oleg_: | in spite of those linker errors, the compilation process hasn't stopped yet |
| [18:53:42] | Oleg_: | oh, it stopped now |
| [18:58:50] | EvilGuru: | Oleg_: Sounds like a lack of rtti to me |
| [18:59:04] | Oleg_: | rtti? |
| [18:59:35] | EvilGuru: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-time_type_information |
| [19:00:33] | Oleg_: | maybe I need some extra build flags such as -lc++ |
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| [19:26:27] | Oleg_: | --extra-ldflags option might be useful for this purpose |
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| [19:56:00] | Igramul: | How does mythtv recognize that a recording has been watched? |
| [19:57:44] | wagnerrp: | i think you have to make it a certain percentage of the way through viewing it |
| [19:57:48] | Igramul: | Currently, the "watched" entry in the recorded-table shows 0 for all recordings (some have been watched, though) |
| [20:02:43] | Oleg_: | wow, I think I succeeded now |
| [20:02:54] | Oleg_: | -lc++ fixed those linker issues |
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| [20:08:40] | Oleg_: | ha! so, mythbackend that is compiled with clang can't even start because it segfaults |
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| [20:11:51] | Oleg_: | take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/diYa5A8E . This is the gdb backtrace that I get when I try to start mythbackend |
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| [20:14:09] | Oleg_: | this backtrace info looks complete? |
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| [20:28:33] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [20:29:20] | Hilikus: | i managed to install my hdpvr fine. now i'm trying to configure it. i'm using optical audio. which audo encoder should i use? aac or ac3? |
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| [20:42:10] | wagnerrp: | that's not quite how it works |
| [20:42:28] | wagnerrp: | it's more do you want to encode to AAC, or do you want to just pass the AC3 through untouched |
| [20:44:23] | Hilikus: | mmm i also favour not touching signals. i set my STB audio output as Dolby Digital. is that AC3? |
| [20:44:28] | Hilikus: | always* |
| [20:44:37] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:44:45] | Hilikus: | ok, ac3 it is then |
| [20:44:48] | Hilikus: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [20:44:52] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, every single mythtv program segfaults if it's compiled with clang |
| [20:45:32] | Oleg_: | does it tell you where the bug is: http://pastebin.com/diYa5A8E ? |
| [20:46:57] | wagnerrp: | i don't know what to tell you, i never had one segfault with 0.26 |
| [20:47:29] | Oleg_: | you compiled mythtv with clang? |
| [20:49:20] | wagnerrp: | nope, the packaged gcc |
| [20:51:04] | Hilikus: | one more question. can i use the IR receiver in the hdpvr with any remote? with my pvr-150 i used the hauppauge remote, but i would like to use my STB remote to control mythtv. is that possible? |
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| [20:51:28] | wagnerrp: | don't know |
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| [20:57:31] | natanojl: | Oleg_: I'd guess that there is something wrong with your buildflags if it's crashing in __dynamic_cast |
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| [20:58:10] | wagnerrp: | that's what i've been saying all along, stop trying to use clang on freebsd, it's untested |
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| [21:08:24] | Oleg_: | well, when I compile mythtv with gcc48, programs start fine and I can watch and record TV, but mythfrontend segfaults if I try to change a channel (but mythbackend will keep recording that channel except that I won't be able to access it live) |
| [21:08:37] | Hilikus: | it seems the passthrough doesn't work if the input comes from SPDIF and the output is RCA (audio only) |
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| [21:09:17] | wagnerrp: | with mythtv, there's really no good reason to use the passthrough |
| [21:09:19] | Oleg_: | with clang, every single mythtv program segfaults, and with base gcc, I get compiler errors |
| [21:09:34] | wagnerrp: | compiler errors? or compiler warnings? |
| [21:09:36] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: true. except if the whole server is down |
| [21:09:42] | Oleg_: | errors |
| [21:09:55] | Hilikus: | i wanted to use it as a backup |
| [21:09:57] | wagnerrp: | the buildbots get no errors with the base gcc |
| [21:10:22] | Oleg_: | but I do |
| [21:10:30] | Oleg_: | I run freebsd 9.1-stable |
| [21:10:47] | Oleg_: | and with the base gcc, I get this error: |
| [21:10:50] | Oleg_: | videoout_vdpau.cpp:428: error: call of overloaded 'abs(long long int)' is ambiguous |
| [21:10:50] | wagnerrp: | the buildbots are still on 9.0 |
| [21:11:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, right... the buildbots are not compiling with VDPAU support |
| [21:11:47] | Phiro: | So – reloaded with mythbuntu 12.04, went into the control centre, picked .26, ran updates and ~228 updates installed, installed ati drivers, rebooted and all that came back was a login prompt, no more desktop. |
| [21:12:07] | Phiro: | Was running all the updates my mistake? Not rebooting enough? |
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| [21:12:49] | Phiro: | On a fresh system, what do you do first? Ubuntu updates? Myth updates? Video card? |
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| [21:14:27] | Oleg_: | are you absolutely sure it will be hard to prevent mythtv from segfaulting if I compile it with clang? Clang is a compiler just like gcc; are they really that different? |
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| [21:14:42] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea |
| [21:15:02] | wagnerrp: | all i know is i never had any problem with 0.26 on the stock gcc, and you're having nothing but problems with clang |
| [21:15:29] | wagnerrp: | it's a brand new toolchain, and apparently needs its own custom fixes to support its use |
| [21:15:59] | Oleg_: | well, do you see something very wrong in this line: |
| [21:16:02] | Oleg_: | ./configure --enable-symbol-visibility --extra-cflags=-I/usr/local/include --extra-ldflags="-L/usr/local/lib -lc++" --cc=clang --cxx=clang++ --extra-cxxflags="-stdlib=libc++" --disable-dvb --disable-v4l2 |
| [21:16:03] | Oleg_: | ? |
| [21:16:36] | wagnerrp: | a couple of the devs compile with clang on linux, and i know it resulted in a lot of commits to get it working, because clang didn't like one thing or another that had been running fine through gcc for years |
| [21:16:44] | wagnerrp: | the same goes for the icc compiler |
| [21:17:05] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [21:17:32] | drussell_: | Oleg_: Does the FreeBSD port (multimedia/mythtv) of 0.26 not compile for you? Why aren't you starting there then trying to compile whatever version you're aiming for? |
| [21:18:04] | wagnerrp: | the freebsd port strips its binaries, and this all started from him trying to get a backtrace from livetv playback |
| [21:18:06] | Oleg_: | hmm... that's a good question |
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| [21:18:39] | wagnerrp: | how clang came into the picture in the first place, i have no idea |
| [21:18:50] | Oleg_: | yeah, but mythtv-0.26.fixes crashes when livetv is involved |
| [21:19:15] | Oleg_: | and I never checked if it would still crash with the port version of mythtv |
| [21:19:17] | wagnerrp: | i admit, i've never tried doing playback on mythtv |
| [21:19:32] | wagnerrp: | all of my freebsd machines are headless |
| [21:21:21] | Oleg_: | what do you mean? they only run mythbackend, but not mythfrontend? |
| [21:21:30] | Oleg_: | you only ran mythfrontend on linux? |
| [21:21:58] | wagnerrp: | for video playback, yes |
| [21:22:13] | wagnerrp: | i still pull up mythfrontend on my server from time to time |
| [21:22:25] | wagnerrp: | but playback simply isn't going to do well over gigabit ethernet |
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| [21:28:15] | Oleg_: | well, according to the patch that exists for the port version of mythtv, abs should be changed to labs in that vdpau cpp file |
| [21:29:07] | drussell_: | Oleg_: I think if you do a "make deinstall ; make clean ; make WITH_DEBUG=yes STRIP= reinstall" in the multimedia/mythtv directory it should build an unstripped, debugging version, shouldn't it? |
| [21:29:28] | wagnerrp: | actually, it should be llabs |
| [21:29:39] | wagnerrp: | int, long int, long long int... |
| [21:30:03] | drussell_: | Oleg_: or make install instead of reinstall and omit the deinstall if it's not installed... |
| [21:31:01] | Oleg_: | well, in the patch, it's labs |
| [21:31:02] | wagnerrp: | drussell_: no need to run multiple commands |
| [21:31:20] | wagnerrp: | "make deinstall clean install" works |
| [21:32:43] | wagnerrp: | long int is only necessarily 32-bit, depending on the compiler and architecture |
| [21:32:44] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: Oh, I know... I figured he'd type them on separate lines to be able to see the output of each... just pointing out the general procedure that theoretically should work... |
| [21:32:50] | wagnerrp: | llabs is more explicitly correct |
| [21:33:09] | wagnerrp: | assuming abs() isn't overloaded to support all formats |
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| [21:39:16] | Oleg_: | ok, I am getting linker errors now, even though it's base gcc |
| [21:41:29] | Oleg_: | weird |
| [21:41:52] | Oleg_: | the buildbot didn't have the same problem |
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| [21:54:31] | drussell_: | wagnerrp, Oleg_: FWIW, I use the FreeBSD frontend all the time on a combined FE/BE and two laptops as FE, just upgraded my personal system from 0.23 to 0.26 and everything works fine except the known problems with analog liveTV... |
| [21:55:01] | wagnerrp: | you're using analog tv on freebsd? |
| [21:55:21] | drussell_: | I have one linux BE/FE that has the tuner cards |
| [21:55:30] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [21:56:16] | drussell_: | Everything else here is FreeBSD.. I only use Linux for the tuner card support... Once I get a couple HD-PVRs (which do work on FreeBSD) I can probably ditch Linux altogether... Hazaa! :-) |
| [21:57:06] | drussell_: | Maybe I should pull out a couple of my ATI TV Wonders.. I think those still work on FreeBSD :-) |
| [21:58:02] | Phiro: | why when I switch to the .26 repo, update manager says not all updates can be installed? Is there a licensing thing I can check to letit? |
| [21:58:54] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: The wierd thing is I can get analog LiveTV from the HVR-2250 on the combined FE/BE but not on the FreeBSD machines.. Recordings and HD digital LiveTV work fine... |
| [21:59:19] | drussell_: | (on the linux FE/BE that the card is in, I mean) |
| [21:59:50] | drussell_: | so even though I somehow got the HVR-2250s working again here, LiveTV still doesn't work on the network... :( |
| [22:03:19] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: re: analog on FreeBSD... That would work too if I had one of the supported DVB tuner/analog input combos that is supported by webcamd but I don't happen to have any of those models around... |
| [22:03:34] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: USB tuners, that is... |
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| [22:32:02] | miro: | hello |
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| [22:32:21] | miro: | which cpu are you using in your pc? |
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| [22:32:38] | Guest14845: | (the older ones are more interesting) |
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| [22:35:45] | [R]: | so i can dd my hdpvr just fine, but myth refuses to use it, and this has been working flawlessly for years |
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| [22:40:58] | neufeld_AFK: | [R]: what's your kernel version? |
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| [22:41:11] | [R]: | 3.2.0-36-generic |
| [22:41:33] | [R]: | that hasn't changed all monht though |
| [22:42:33] | neufeld: | There's a race condition in kernels before about 3.2.9. Because it's a race, it doesn't always hit. One second, I'll get the specifics... |
| [22:43:13] | [R]: | well this is everytime... |
| [22:43:19] | neufeld: | [R]: read http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . 340099.html, and check your hdpvr-video.c file |
| [22:43:20] | [R]: | i just tried like 5 times and 2 failed recordings last night |
| [22:43:47] | neufeld: | [R]: For me, it always failed, reliably. For other people, it didn't. Change a binary, change the system load, or something like that, and the race condition hits. |
| [22:44:06] | [R]: | well i can easily switch to 3.5 |
| [22:44:09] | [R]: | lemme see if that helps |
| [22:44:35] | neufeld: | [R]: read that pipermail link, see if the fail condition matches your problem, but if it's a 3.2.0 kernel, you do have the race condition, and it can fail. |
| [22:45:19] | [R]: | yeah, i don't see any errors in the log at all |
| [22:45:32] | neufeld: | [R]: do you have the kernel sources? |
| [22:45:51] | [R]: | i've never been able to figure out how to get the kernel sources in ubuntu |
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