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| [00:51:39] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: you can just type #10490, no need for the whole link, see? |
| [00:51:39] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10490 ** | |
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| [01:30:22] | pimanac: | \exit |
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| [08:52:42] | Seeker`: | Dont know if someone wants to point out that it is digital switchover in the SE UK in the channel topic? |
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| [09:50:40] | lautriv: | hello, i had to change host/domain on my master-backend and ran in trouble (basically by clients) mysql runs and has the former content but client's complaining about "could not connect to master-backend" what do i miss ? |
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| [14:28:20] | adam_112: | I really need help! I'm trying to get livetv working. Been working on this off and on for a month now. I've tried everything I can think of. Could somebody please take a look at the logs? http://pastebin.com/qmcDzgYV |
| [14:31:11] | partoj: | mythbackend.log has lots of these: "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'" |
| [14:31:39] | partoj: | Ah, but then it does connect... |
| [14:32:27] | partoj: | Perhaps this: |
| [14:32:33] | partoj: | 2012-04–03 21:22:42.156 Scheduler, Error: No capture cards are defined in the database. |
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| [14:37:26] | adam_112: | look later in the log. The system connects for 5–10 secs freezes then disconnects. |
| [14:37:41] | adam_112: | This is a fresh install |
| [14:39:03] | tgm4883: | partoj, the section of the log that seems relevant is http://pastebin.com/RgBhGaDR |
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| [14:44:11] | partoj: | Ah, then I'm afraid I'm at loss |
| [14:45:36] | partoj: | I do see multiple other error messages regarding HDHRSH |
| [14:45:39] | adam_112: | Me to. That sucks. The only other product that does what I want is/was sagetv.... (: |
| [14:45:49] | partoj: | What tuner are you using? |
| [14:46:13] | adam_112: | hd prime home run |
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| [14:47:17] | partoj: | Well, you have a lot of these messages: "UpdateFilters called in wrong tune mode" |
| [14:47:31] | partoj: | Googling that leads me here: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10074 |
| [14:47:47] | partoj: | ...suggesting it's a bug which is scheduled to be released in 0.25 |
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| [14:48:15] | adam_112: | so do you think and update to .25 (beta) might help? |
| [14:48:31] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR libraries in 0.25 are significantly newer |
| [14:48:34] | adam_112: | I guess it can't hurt. It doesn't work anyways... :) |
| [14:49:38] | adam_112: | To upgrade to .25 all I need to do is go to myth-control center and change to .25 and run update manager? |
| [14:50:29] | partoj: | It says on mythtv.org that 0.25 will be released on 9th of april |
| [14:50:54] | partoj: | sorry, the target release date is 9th of April |
| [14:51:43] | wagnerrp: | which will happen assuming no other unforeseen issues arise |
| [14:54:31] | adam_112: | o upgrade to .25 all I need to do is go to myth-control center and change to .25 and run update manager? |
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| [14:57:50] | partoj: | Don't know, I don't run Mythbuntu |
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| [15:59:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: to be fair, an Erza is an old 586-class CPU, meaning the original pentium, not the pentium pro or anything with a number behind the name |
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| [16:02:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yes, but we handle it: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . figure#L2809 |
| [16:02:11] | sphery: | (specifically on 2817) |
| [16:04:12] | sphery: | I think the last breakage that the reporter referred to changed it to the .* after VIA because sometimes it was a space and sometimes it wasn't |
| [16:05:57] | sphery: | er, fix for last breakage |
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| [17:24:02] | NewBuntu81: | I'm having a heck of a time getting svideo out to work on my GEForce 8400 GS card in Mythbuntu. I originally had 11.04, read that it was fixed in 11.10 with kernel 3.0.0–12. I've upgraded to that, ran patches after installation...i noticed it's now on 3.0.0–17. I'm wondering if it got broken in 3.0.0–17? Anyone have more information on this? |
| [17:24:41] | NewBuntu81: | This is the article I was reviewing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xse . . . /+bug/763688 |
| [17:26:26] | NewBuntu81: | DVI out on the card is working, so the NVIDIA drivers appear to be functional for that, just not for svideo. |
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| [17:46:12] | RagingMind: | NewBuntu81, the bug you linked to is for the intel graphics chip driver |
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| [18:10:43] | wagnerrp: | RagingMind: youve tries using the nvidia-settings utility to force the correct output? |
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| [19:14:15] | trumee: | OT:is there any nice keyboard/mouse which will let me play alienarena on the big tv in the living room? |
| [19:14:42] | ** trumee have tried using PS3 sixaxis controller, but it sucks. ** | |
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| [20:06:21] | RagingMind: | wagnerrp, that info might be more useful for NewBuntu81 ;) |
| [20:06:59] | wagnerrp: | well... your names are both purple and of the same length |
| [20:07:05] | wagnerrp: | i didnt even realize there were two people talking |
| [20:13:43] | NewBuntu81: | wagnerrp, thanks. yes i have tried the settings. I'm going to look at the config file to see if i can force it by including the "SVIDEO" command |
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| [20:20:10] | justinh: | hmm |
| [20:26:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: I don't understand why it's a better idea to ask for this kind of stuff via the -dev list rather than in the ticket? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/510947 |
| [20:27:01] | RagingMind: | NewBuntu81, I had an nvidia card in my mythbox for a long while. I wound up using a custom xorg.conf to tell it to use svideo output |
| [20:28:18] | sphery: | skd5aner: generally because in the past it's taken multiple replies to get the right info (though this time, Andrew sent me a good reply first try) |
| [20:28:43] | skd5aner: | but isn't that the benefit of a ticket system – to have all relative data associated with the report in once place? |
| [20:28:47] | skd5aner: | s/once/one |
| [20:30:03] | NewBuntu81: | ragingmind, yea i read an article saying to use this line: Option "TVOutputFormat" "SVIDEO". link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1544996 |
| [20:30:17] | sphery: | IMHO, the back and forth of "no, you didn't follow instructions precisely" or "and now I also need ..." isn't related to the bug... Once proper information is collected, it can be added |
| [20:30:25] | sphery: | (to the ticket) |
| [20:31:22] | sphery: | all in one place just means that no one (dev or user) reads the comments (which is enough of a problem, already, and there are plenty of examples of why that's bad |
| [20:31:45] | sphery: | but, it could have been done in ticket, I just choose not to :) |
| [20:31:53] | NewBuntu81: | RagingMind, but i'm curiouis if the 8400 GS issue is related to the kernel in 11.04 and 11.10. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xse . . . /+bug/763688 |
| [20:32:23] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, just figured I'd bring up the age old question again |
| [20:32:33] | NewBuntu81: | RagingMind, which state ""Ubuntu 11.10 and the issue does not occur with kernel 3.0.0–12 or 3.0.0–13." and "I resolved it in Ubuntu 11.04 by installing a mainline kernel (approx 3.1), which I've since disabled in favor of the kernel released with 11.10." |
| [20:32:51] | skd5aner: | I still don't get it... it's either in the ticket, or it's in email... I've never had an issue where I didn't read a ticket because there's "too" many comments on it |
| [20:33:14] | skd5aner: | in fact, those tickets are more interesting to me because they have more traffic – I'm not burdended by the number of responses |
| [20:33:29] | skd5aner: | of course, ianad |
| [20:33:35] | skd5aner: | (i am not a dev) |
| [20:34:24] | skd5aner: | I do understand not getting off topic, but... collecting informatio and data shouldn't be considered off topic |
| [20:34:47] | skd5aner: | and as far as "me too" responses, that'd be easily resolved if people could have a "me too" button or something |
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| [20:38:49] | justinh: | heh. trac with a 'me too' button? |
| [20:40:29] | wagnerrp: | or i could see if i could tweak the user account mechanism to enforce someone reading through the "TicketHowTo" mechanism before it issues them a cookie and allows edits |
| [20:41:36] | wagnerrp: | or at least a digested version of that |
| [20:42:01] | skd5aner: | justinh: sure, why not? I can think of a ton of issues where a dev is like "I can't reproduce this", yet dozens (hundreds? thousands?) of people could... so, right now, it's 1 report... 1 reporter... 1 dev... would be nice to know which bugs are the most impactful the community imho |
| [20:42:02] | sphery: | skd5aner: fwiw, there are many tickets where someone provided useful information that was completely ignored by the dev who finally got to the ticket because it was lost in a sea of clutter (sometimes even "related" clutter, like requests for information and follow-up) |
| [20:42:15] | skd5aner: | justinh: that said, I don't like the "me too" comments |
| [20:43:04] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: such a mechanism wouldnt work unless we allowed users to create full passworded accounts |
| [20:43:13] | skd5aner: | sphery: so, that tells me the devs need to be retrained |
| [20:43:14] | wagnerrp: | and trac is not designed to allow any significant volume of users |
| [20:43:36] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, that's true... it's not really "social" or collaberative |
| [20:43:53] | wagnerrp: | it could use cookies |
| [20:44:07] | wagnerrp: | but there is nothing preventing users from simply deleting or disabling cookies |
| [20:44:08] | sphery: | we should set up @mythtv for those |
| [20:44:10] | wagnerrp: | and pumping their ticket |
| [20:44:22] | sphery: | Like it! |
| [20:44:30] | sphery: | +1 |
| [20:44:34] | ** skd5aner thinks its time once again to look at idea submission apps again ** | |
| [20:44:45] | sphery: | skd5aner: agreed... we do need to do that |
| [20:44:59] | skd5aner: | yea, work and personal life have been killing me slowly lately |
| [20:45:21] | skd5aner: | I'm actually releasing an update to our ideatorrent app at work next week |
| [20:45:33] | sphery: | as far as retraining the devs... I don't blame other devs for ignoring 30+ comments when working on a ticket, even when they miss a comment I made in there and fix it wrong and I have to go back and fix the part I warned them about |
| [20:45:41] | RagingMind: | NewBuntu81, the nvidia docs have info on the xorg config options. do you have the nvidia driver installed or are you using nouveau? |
| [20:45:48] | sphery: | because I, too, would be unlikely to read a bunch of garbage before starting on a fix |
| [20:47:04] | skd5aner: | I sort of understand, but it just seems like a weird thing to do, to ask users to have to maybe subscribe to the -dev list if submitting a bug |
| [20:47:13] | skd5aner: | could you imagine if any large company did that? |
| [20:47:52] | skd5aner: | "come to our support forum/bug report tool. If we have any questions for you, we'll respond in a new thread over on our mailing list" |
| [20:48:08] | skd5aner: | I'd be like... no thanks |
| [20:48:53] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: good questions and answers arent a problem |
| [20:49:07] | sphery: | skd5aner: what you didn't see was the 2 BCCs on that message :) |
| [20:49:27] | wagnerrp: | its all the irrelevant nonsense that gets stuff into trac that people skim passed and end up missing information |
| [20:49:35] | sphery: | true, means that their spam filters could throw away my message, but... |
| [20:49:42] | justinh: | sphery: catch my comment about the faster scheduling the other day? I've ditched xmltv & gone entirely EIT. Now around 4s :-) |
| [20:50:01] | sphery: | justinh: missed the comment, but I'd guess it's because of the shorter descriptions |
| [20:50:04] | justinh: | and it seems programme start times are much tighter now |
| [20:50:08] | sphery: | (I'm guessing descriptions are shorter) |
| [20:50:15] | justinh: | yeah. very much so |
| [20:50:21] | sphery: | what was it before the change? |
| [20:50:27] | justinh: | like 10 or 11 s |
| [20:50:30] | wagnerrp: | we use the full description? we dont use some truncated form of it for matching? |
| [20:50:38] | justinh: | maybe it's the full one |
| [20:51:05] | justinh: | I'm not going in there looking at that query again |
| [20:51:11] | skd5aner: | well, sifting through the bad data to get to the good is not always easy, but I would only imagine it's harder when the data is disperesed across multiple mechanisms... so instead of going to a single source and finding the data, I have to cross reference to see if anything might have also been sent to the mailing list? |
| [20:51:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: not so much the comparison, but the temp table being created to pull the data out |
| [20:51:34] | justinh: | I imagine it's something like when a timelord looks into the vortex :P |
| [20:51:56] | sphery: | I'm working on some changes to improve it, but other stuff is taking priority before release |
| [20:52:28] | ** peitolm doesn't think trac is all that well suited to bug reports from the general populace, there are better bug wrangling systems out there ** | |
| [20:52:49] | skd5aner: | I'm confused about people complaining about scheduler times besides if they want to record something "immediately"? I mean, 12 seconds sounds reasonable to me unless it overloads the CPU or something... now, my mythfilldatabase times are another story 40+ minutes? yea, that's pretty terrible |
| [20:53:10] | ** justinh uses trac at work. our CEO is hooked into the RSS :-\ ** | |
| [20:53:16] | sphery: | skd5aner: 40+ minutes... --dd-grab-all? |
| [20:53:20] | skd5aner: | peitolm: such as? |
| [20:53:24] | sphery: | are you running on a file system with barriers? |
| [20:53:25] | skd5aner: | sphery: yup |
| [20:53:35] | skd5aner: | (to the dd-grab all) |
| [20:53:49] | skd5aner: | not sure about barriers |
| [20:53:50] | justinh: | skd5aner: 10+ seconds between pressing RECORD & the guide grid display or other updating? :-( |
| [20:53:51] | peitolm: | bugzie, rt |
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| [20:54:03] | sphery: | skd5aner: what's your mount output? |
| [20:54:07] | justinh: | skd5aner: no confirmation. nothing, for 10+ secs |
| [20:54:14] | skd5aner: | justinh: on livetv? |
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| [20:54:31] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, we need to improve the UI there |
| [20:54:36] | skd5aner: | justinh: yea, I would be frustarted by that too |
| [20:54:39] | justinh: | skd5aner: no, just scrolling through the EPG, lists etc... |
| [20:54:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and this is likely where innodb and transactions would allow us to load all the data into a transaction, and then only have to wait for one barrier on the final commit |
| [20:55:01] | skd5aner: | sphery: for the mysql mount? |
| [20:55:13] | peitolm: | oh, whilst i remember, I know i've asked this before, but is anyone else seeing odd behaviour with FF? sometimes it seems to skip forward more than once, |
| [20:55:33] | justinh: | no barriers didn't make any measurable difference to the 10+ sec scheduler queries FWIW |
| [20:56:32] | skd5aner: | but, to change the subject back again... still don't understand how splitting the data relavent to a bug report across different mediums is more efficient that having it all in one place – no way I'm cross-referencing emails when stumbling upon a ticket of interest |
| [20:56:36] | wagnerrp: | justinh: thats because it should only be reading |
| [20:56:46] | wagnerrp: | i was responding to skd5aner's MFD times |
| [20:57:09] | justinh: | ah. heh |
| [20:57:32] | wagnerrp: | justinh: however, if youre simultaneously recording to that same disk, with mythbackend's writes (and barriers) as well as mysql's seektable writes (and barriers) |
| [20:57:41] | wagnerrp: | it can be a real issue if a scheduler run gets triggered |
| [20:57:41] | justinh: | wonder what's going to happen with uk_rt.. not heard anything lately |
| [20:57:56] | skd5aner: | sphery: /dev/sdf5 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) |
| [20:58:27] | justinh: | I haven't ran recordings on the same spindle for *years* now |
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| [20:58:41] | skd5aner: | me ether |
| [20:58:54] | skd5aner: | either |
| [20:59:02] | justinh: | though about the only times I did were on demo systems I took to expos |
| [20:59:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: though reading involves writing when temp tables are involved |
| [21:00:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: this is why the recommended solution is now to run mysql with your temp dir in a RAM-based file system, see... |
| [21:00:15] | justinh: | those boxes.. oh man were they ever old & tired looking |
| [21:00:41] | sphery: | (for anyone reading, that is /not/ the recommended solution--it was a joke referring to something a lot of people on -users list are now doing) |
| [21:00:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: only if the temp tables grow sufficiently large |
| [21:01:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and with RT descriptions, they do |
| [21:01:10] | wagnerrp: | ah, true |
| [21:01:14] | sphery: | i.e. 2500-char descriptions |
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| [21:02:02] | skd5aner: | but, I rememer trying to figure out the long running mfd time a year or so ago with kormoc, ran some patches and stuff... just seemed to be the innefficient way in how it processed 3 sources and the thousand channels I have |
| [21:02:31] | sphery: | that said, even in that situation, barriers shouldn't be that much of a problem... and if it's only 11s vs 4s, it's not a big enough difference to be barriers (meaning it's just the use of an on-disk temp table versus in-memory) |
| [21:04:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: ahhh – google to the rescue – http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2010-09-01 |
| [21:05:53] | sphery: | skd5aner: which part? |
| [21:06:57] | skd5aner: | sphery: [20:16:02] and on |
| [21:07:44] | skd5aner: | [21:04:00] sphery: skd5aner: so 37m |
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| [21:08:28] | justinh: | you have a *thousand* channels? |
| [21:08:54] | skd5aner: | no, let me do a count |
| [21:09:16] | skd5aner: | 532 rows in channels table |
| [21:09:22] | justinh: | we can pick between a few hundred here in the UK but there's very little we'd want to watch in this house |
| [21:10:02] | justinh: | even the basic freeview lineup I have I end up deleting about half of them :-) |
| [21:10:40] | skd5aner: | 358 which are marked as visible |
| [21:10:58] | justinh: | heh. just wondering what the ratio of stuff they show vs what you watch is |
| [21:11:42] | skd5aner: | There are several of those which are dupes of each other... SD-Analog, SD-Digital, HD-Digital, and sources that have the same channels like my QAM source and HD-PVR source that overlaps and my Analog and HD-PVR source that overlaps |
| [21:12:11] | skd5aner: | well, the ration has to be miniscule if you talk about total unique programs broadcast across ALL those channels |
| [21:12:20] | skd5aner: | er, ratio |
| [21:12:23] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:13:12] | skd5aner: | I'm running mfd right now just to see what the running time on it wil lbe |
| [21:13:54] | skd5aner: | I only letit run automatically in the middle of the night, because it basically makes MBE unusable when it's loading all the entries in |
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| [21:15:03] | justinh: | I remember tv_grab_uk_rt used to take like 30+ minutes back in the 0.16 days |
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| [21:15:27] | skd5aner: | that would be a very interesting stat though... "Total number of unique shows available for recording since running mythtv" and dividing that by total number of recordings |
| [21:16:06] | skd5aner: | It'd have to be in the millions for me I'd think |
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| [21:19:19] | justinh: | OMG. Mythweb says I've been running mythtv for 6 years, 3 months 5 days... |
| [21:19:46] | justinh: | but I know it's more than that cos I foolishly did a rm -rf / as root a few weeks into my 1st working install |
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| [21:30:15] | skd5aner: | Total Running Time: |
| [21:30:15] | skd5aner: | 7 years 5 months 2 days 8 hrs 56 mins |
| [21:30:48] | skd5aner: | and I too had it running for about 4 months before I wiped and started over |
| [21:31:59] | skd5aner: | Number of shows: |
| [21:32:00] | skd5aner: | 597 |
| [21:32:00] | skd5aner: | Number of episodes: |
| [21:32:00] | skd5aner: | 15439 |
| [21:32:52] | skd5aner: | I did the math a while back on how many episodes of the Colbert Show I recorded (currently at 1141) and how much time I've saved via commskip and 1.4x timestretch... was pretty enteraining (and scary) |
| [21:34:06] | skd5aner: | justinh: hah, it was a conversation with you – http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-01-10 starting @ [22:28:08] |
| [21:35:17] | skd5aner: | 549 hours total, saved 109.8 hours via commskip, and another 87.84 hours on timestretch – saving a total of 197.64 hours – on one show, since ~2005 |
| [21:39:52] | Seeker`: | thats over a week of your life! |
| [21:40:11] | Seeker`: | How many hours have you spent setting up/ tweaking / developing mythtv that you'd have saved otherwise though :P |
| [21:40:32] | skd5aner: | let's not ask that question around these parts |
| [21:40:39] | skd5aner: | the answer would only be depressing for many of us |
| [21:41:43] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: are you doing a full ffmpeg sync, or just pieces? |
| [21:42:03] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: and am I assuming that the project is going to stick with ffmpeg rather than switch to libav? |
| [21:42:14] | Beirdo: | full |
| [21:42:31] | Beirdo: | and yeah, sticking with ffmpeg for various reasons :) |
| [21:42:35] | skd5aner: | when I look at the commits, it only shows a few files changing |
| [21:42:49] | skd5aner: | what's the basic synopsis on the decision to stick with ffmpeg? |
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| [21:44:58] | justinh: | that's the one thing I really don't get about some people's complaints about mythtv. I mean you don't have to keep poking at it if you do it right in the 1st place |
| [21:45:44] | justinh: | I used to reply to a woman on twitter who always complained mythtv crashed when her husband went away. I said it doesn't happen here, he must be doing it wrong ;-) |
| [21:45:56] | pplmaker: | uhm what exactly is the point of timestretch..? |
| [21:46:05] | justinh: | pplmaker: watching a show faster |
| [21:46:11] | justinh: | or slower ;-) |
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| [21:46:42] | pplmaker: | why would you watch it slower? |
| [21:46:49] | justinh: | why not? |
| [21:47:06] | justinh: | why would anybody ever want to prioritise one tuner or channel over another? |
| [21:47:11] | skd5aner: | I'm only used it to go slower in the cases where I wanted to watch a very specific scene in slow motion |
| [21:47:22] | skd5aner: | very rare |
| [21:47:32] | justinh: | why would anybody ever want to automatically lengthen a recording based on certain criteria like its category? |
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| [21:47:38] | skd5aner: | but there are some shows where I have a playback group set to always watch fast |
| [21:47:50] | justinh: | why would anybody ever need a remote with more than 6 buttons? :P |
| [21:48:05] | justinh: | skd5aner: I set my wife's soaps to 1.3x |
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| [21:48:29] | skd5aner: | In sports, I'll often watch the pregame stuff at 1.5x if I'm interested |
| [21:48:40] | justinh: | pplmaker: less time my wife spends watching her crap, more time for me :-) |
| [21:49:10] | justinh: | and you really need timestretch for anything with that dippy Prof. Brian Cox in it. He talks SO SLOWLY |
| [21:49:22] | skd5aner: | I've watched 1100 episodes of The Colbert Report at 1.4x... anytime I /ever/ catch it in real-time, it sounds like he's having a stroke |
| [21:49:30] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:49:39] | skd5aner: | "Tonight on the Colbert Report" |
| [21:49:40] | skd5aner: | vs |
| [21:50:02] | skd5aner: | "toooooniiightttt ooooonn thhheeee ee Colllberrrrrtttt Reeeepepooorrttt" |
| [21:50:21] | pplmaker: | you watch colbert? liberal |
| [21:50:31] | justinh: | Eastenders on 1.5x was too much though |
| [21:50:35] | skd5aner: | lol – that's an odd accusation |
| [21:50:52] | pplmaker: | skd5aner: just kidding |
| [21:51:05] | skd5aner: | besides... I said "The Colbert Report" not "The Daily Show" |
| [21:51:21] | pplmaker: | i thought it was the same show |
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| [21:51:25] | justinh: | I miss the daily show here. we never got Colbert here |
| [21:51:39] | skd5aner: | One is a joke, the other is a soap box |
| [21:52:00] | justinh: | mind, I find that I'm less angry these days now I don't often have my mind blown by how stupid the biggest superpower in the world is |
| [21:52:11] | skd5aner: | I used to love the Daily Show – but John Stewart has made it way to personal and opinionated to be enjoyable as a way to mock the news... now he only mocks whatever matches up to his personal agenda |
| [21:52:42] | pplmaker: | he really ticks me off sometimes |
| [21:53:03] | skd5aner: | I actually remember watching the daily show when Craig Kilborn was the host |
| [21:53:05] | justinh: | I caught charlie brooker showing clips of that nutter on Fox News.. that opened my eyes. What was his name again? |
| [21:53:45] | skd5aner: | and, it was great when you have Colbert, Carell, and Mo Rocca on the show |
| [21:54:08] | justinh: | leave Carell to low-rent B movies now. Heh |
| [21:54:09] | skd5aner: | justinh: who? |
| [21:54:24] | justinh: | skd5aner: his name escapes me. I don't think he's on Fox anymore |
| [21:54:26] | pplmaker: | i thought all shows become funnier when steve carell leaves them |
| [21:54:38] | skd5aner: | they were talking about someone on fox news? |
| [21:54:59] | skd5aner: | Oh... uh, I know who you are talking about... |
| [21:55:13] | justinh: | ahh Glenn Beck |
| [21:55:18] | skd5aner: | yea, that's it... |
| [21:55:22] | skd5aner: | name was escaping |
| [21:55:35] | justinh: | Hannity was worse though IMHO |
| [21:55:44] | skd5aner: | A wacko on either side of the spectrum is still a wacko |
| [21:56:05] | skd5aner: | Hannity, he's not so bad (by comparison alone) |
| [21:56:20] | justinh: | ripping into some dude whose son was killed in action.. that was low |
| [21:56:50] | skd5aner: | don't know the reference – but that would surprise me, he's pretty patriotic, especially when it comes to the military and KIA veterans |
| [21:57:46] | justinh: | well, some guy was speaking out about the motives of the war & his son was killed... so Hannity or whoever it was basically just went for the 'you didn't love your son?' angle |
| [21:57:48] | skd5aner: | again – they all have an agenda and a mic... it's too bad, I'm sure many pundits could actually be good people otherwise |
| [21:58:12] | justinh: | yeah they're not at all dim when you think about it. outrage == ratings+++ |
| [21:59:20] | skd5aner: | it's the fact that it becomes impossible for them to control their egotism... it grows and grows, it's kind of like a recent episode of "Community" (if you get that sitcom in the UK) where Jeff Winger's ego continues to grow until it destroys him |
| [22:00:27] | ** EvilGuru wishes he could get fox news in the UK ** | |
| [22:00:37] | skd5aner: | btw – random "british" show question... what's the deal with "Downton Abbey"? |
| [22:00:50] | skd5aner: | I had never heard of it before a month ago, and now I see people talking about it all the time |
| [22:01:02] | justinh: | skd5aner: Ukers allegedly *like* period crap like that |
| [22:01:15] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: isn't sky close? |
| [22:01:30] | justinh: | it harks back to the halcyon days of three channel television where a series could grab 30 million viewers |
| [22:01:40] | skd5aner: | justinh: apparently, people in the US do too |
| [22:01:52] | justinh: | skd5aner: hahahaha. Sky News is nothing like Fox. Yet |
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| [22:02:03] | justinh: | it has loons, but nobody like Beck |
| [22:02:07] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: Sadly not, heck they've even started using CBS for US-centric commentary as opposed to Fox |
| [22:02:12] | skd5aner: | i honestly have no idea, other than I know it's murdoch's baby in the uk |
| [22:02:19] | justinh: | skd5aner: it's not anymore |
| [22:02:34] | justinh: | James Murdoch resigned the other day |
| [22:02:45] | skd5aner: | did he have to divest it as part of the who phone hacking thing? |
| [22:02:48] | EvilGuru: | In the UK news channels have to give equal time to both sides and can not have an opinion/agenda |
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| [22:02:58] | skd5aner: | But doesn't Rupert Still have ownership? |
| [22:03:08] | EvilGuru: | 33% or something along those lines |
| [22:03:10] | justinh: | btw if you have a chance, watch the BBC Panorama thing about Sky TV. Jees on a stick! |
| [22:03:31] | skd5aner: | PBS over here sometimes carries BBC World News... and I occasionally like to watch that... |
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| [22:03:57] | skd5aner: | it's almost impossible anymore to watch /actual/, straight, no-color-commentary news coverage over here |
| [22:04:12] | EvilGuru: | Due to equally silly rules we can not get BBC World News here in the UK |
| [22:04:17] | skd5aner: | A more straight forward, less emotional delivery is appreciated by me sometimes |
| [22:04:20] | justinh: | the story in that program is years old – that NDS (owned by Murdoch then) hacked ITV Digital (among others) & ran a piracy website devoted to distributing the hack |
| [22:05:13] | justinh: | though the 'hacker' at the centre of things didn't seem to be as on the ball as they were making out. He was merely a middleman |
| [22:05:14] | Seeker`: | I'm annoyed by the fact that Sky seems to have bought up all of the rights to most of the best programs coming out of the US |
| [22:05:34] | justinh: | Seeker`: meh. just wait for the box sets |
| [22:05:44] | justinh: | cheaper than £400+ a year |
| [22:05:49] | EvilGuru: | Seeker`: Buying them I'm okay with, it is the fact that the deals tend to be exclusive |
| [22:05:53] | Seeker`: | justinh: yeah. Game of Thrones season 2 is probably a year away though :( |
| [22:06:03] | justinh: | never heard of it :-) |
| [22:06:10] | justinh: | besides I don't get time to watch much anymore |
| [22:06:11] | skd5aner: | I thought I read something the other day about somebody buying the rights to anything produced by the BBC for rebroadcast in the US... I could totally be confusing that for something else though |
| [22:06:13] | justinh: | damn kids |
| [22:06:16] | Seeker`: | justinh: Good series, based on a very good book. |
| [22:06:21] | EvilGuru: | I am happy to wait a year or two for a TV series to come FTA |
| [22:06:42] | justinh: | I've got 2 whole seasons of The Walking Dead to get into |
| [22:06:43] | Seeker`: | EvilGuru: Don't think GoT (Or anything done by HBO too) is coming FTA for many many years atm |
| [22:07:04] | EvilGuru: | It probably never will and Sky3/PickTV is a joke these days |
| [22:07:11] | justinh: | I've not even watched the Dr Who xmas special yet. Though I think I might've deleted it |
| [22:07:28] | skd5aner: | I'm tyring to figure out if "Hunger Games" is actually a good move (good book) or something aimed at tween girls like Twighlight, but can't seem to get a straight answer |
| [22:07:35] | skd5aner: | s/move/movie |
| [22:08:01] | Seeker`: | skd5aner: same here |
| [22:08:01] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: My 15 year old sister went to see it, nuff said. |
| [22:08:23] | justinh: | I've already written it off :-) |
| [22:08:27] | EvilGuru: | (Who is also a fan of Twilight.) |
| [22:08:38] | sphery: | skd5aner: I've heard it's a good book, but the movie was way over-hyped |
| [22:08:51] | sphery: | I've neither read the book nor seen the movie, though |
| [22:09:04] | sphery: | s/book/books/ , I suppose |
| [22:09:12] | justinh: | I almost gave into Avatar the other week. Saw it was on, thought "maybe", set it to record – then saw an extended trailer on another recording & on the strength of that, went & deleted the recording |
| [22:09:23] | skd5aner: | justinh: I have a love/hate relationship wth The Walking Dead, season one is pretty good, season two (part 1) is unfortunately drawn out on a dumb story line, and seaons two (part 2) is a little better, but still takes a while to get to what I think will make for a good story line in season 3 |
| [22:09:45] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: Doesn't the BBC have a US/America channel that it uses to run BBC-produced stuff? |
| [22:09:52] | justinh: | knowing my luck, if it's any good in my estimation it'll be cancelled just when it's getting interesting |
| [22:09:57] | Seeker`: | skd5aner: I think The Hunger Games is classed as "Young Adult" on Amazon |
| [22:10:05] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: it does, on cable/satellite |
| [22:10:24] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: but I'm talking about buying the rights to shows to make an americanized version... |
| [22:10:32] | skd5aner: | like "The Office" |
| [22:10:32] | justinh: | infact – don't think I've sat down in front of any series since er... The (non) Event |
| [22:10:43] | skd5aner: | ugh – hated that |
| [22:10:48] | skd5aner: | I watched the whole thing for some reason |
| [22:10:49] | justinh: | and Flash Forward. Man, what a load of crap timesink |
| [22:11:01] | skd5aner: | OH MAN!!! TOTAL DISSAPOINTMENT THERE TOO |
| [22:11:01] | justinh: | and Heroes, come to think |
| [22:11:02] | skd5aner: | ugh |
| [22:11:24] | justinh: | oh, they're making new 'Episodes' though. I loved that show |
| [22:11:26] | skd5aner: | yea, Heroes blew too... watched all of them, but only because after the first 2 seasons I felt locked in |
| [22:11:33] | EvilGuru: | The BBC had Heroes over here didn't they? |
| [22:11:37] | Seeker`: | Yup |
| [22:11:38] | justinh: | yeah |
| [22:11:44] | Seeker`: | First season of Heroes was ok |
| [22:11:49] | justinh: | true. |
| [22:11:57] | Seeker`: | didn't really watch anything after the start of the 2nd |
| [22:12:11] | EvilGuru: | Thankfully Channel 4 (FTA) got Homeland over here |
| [22:12:12] | skd5aner: | justinh: one show that my wife and I have near (or at) the top of our list is "Sons of Anarchy" |
| [22:12:24] | EvilGuru: | Although I am willing to bet that season 2 will end up on Sky |
| [22:12:25] | skd5aner: | justinh: you might like to give it a try if you haven't already... |
| [22:12:48] | skd5aner: | I've heard great things about homeland, but that's a show that's on a premium channel here (showtime I believe) |
| [22:13:10] | justinh: | wassit about? |
| [22:13:30] | skd5aner: | A motorcycle gang in Northern California that runs guns... |
| [22:13:44] | kormoc: | Homeland? |
| [22:13:48] | skd5aner: | it's kind of like if "The Sopranos" were a motorcycle gang |
| [22:13:55] | kormoc: | Not Sons of Anarchy? |
| [22:13:56] | skd5aner: | oh, homeland... I don't know |
| [22:13:57] | justinh: | ah got it. Homeland |
| [22:14:13] | justinh: | never watched the sopranos |
| [22:14:15] | skd5aner: | a spy I think |
| [22:14:25] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(TV_series) |
| [22:14:34] | kormoc: | homeland isn't about motorcycles |
| [22:14:37] | skd5aner: | justinh: I didn't really either, but still... I think it's got good production value (sons of anarchy) and a good story line and pretty good casting |
| [22:14:58] | Seeker`: | Homeland is about a returned PoW and a slightly out-of-it CIA agent |
| [22:15:04] | Seeker`: | (I think its CIA) |
| [22:15:12] | justinh: | what I really want is something like the 1st half of season one of '24' |
| [22:15:25] | kormoc: | Oof. I couldn't get into 24 |
| [22:15:29] | justinh: | that was total WHOAH |
| [22:15:31] | kormoc: | I'm back in time watching Buffy |
| [22:15:38] | EvilGuru: | justinh: I'll hedge that it is better than S1 of 24 — thus far anyway |
| [22:15:39] | Seeker`: | Buffy \o/ |
| [22:15:45] | sphery: | justinh: so you want a 12? |
| [22:15:56] | justinh: | hahahaha yeah |
| [22:16:04] | EvilGuru: | Althugh I have only watched the first few seasons of 24 as it soon left the beeb for sky |
| [22:16:22] | skd5aner: | so many shows I liked that got cancelled and replaced with sh*t |
| [22:16:46] | justinh: | invasion was a nice slow burner. a little too slow though |
| [22:17:11] | sphery: | I'm still amazed that my current favorite TV show, Supernatural, hasn't yet been cancelled--especially since not many of us actually watch it |
| [22:17:42] | sphery: | (they even make jokes in the show about how few people are watching it/how bad the numbers are) |
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| [22:18:53] | skd5aner: | The Unit, My Name is Earl, Eli Stone, Terriers, and even ok ones like Dollhouse |
| [22:19:00] | jams: | sphery- isn't that on CW |
| [22:19:39] | sphery: | jams: yeah |
| [22:19:43] | skd5aner: | Jericho |
| [22:19:52] | sphery: | which is probably the only reason it hasn't been cancelled |
| [22:20:00] | jams: | thats a good bet |
| [22:20:08] | skd5aner: | Instead, we need 4 CSIs and 3 NCISs... |
| [22:20:12] | Seeker`: | There are a few programs I wanted to watch that aren't gonna be on FTA for a while |
| [22:20:18] | Seeker`: | Grimm was one I think |
| [22:20:31] | Seeker`: | Which is on "watch", whatever that is |
| [22:20:57] | skd5aner: | alright... dinner time, later |
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| [22:21:07] | justinh: | oh yeah I've got a box of dexter ripped & ready to watch too. keep forgetting about that |
| [22:21:18] | skd5aner: | I'd like to watch breaking bad |
| [22:21:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: Eli Stone was remarkably good... had a bit of a Wonderfalls idea to it, too (which is probably why it failed--seems people are uncomfortable with potential mental issues on TV) |
| [22:21:24] | skd5aner: | heard good things about that |
| [22:21:36] | kormoc: | Season 4 of Dexter pissed me off so much with how it ended |
| [22:21:43] | kormoc: | skd5aner, Instant watch on netflix! ;) |
| [22:21:52] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, it's the only show that had musical breakout numbers where I didn't immediately get off the couch and find something better to do |
| [22:22:28] | sphery: | kormoc: hehe, I've only seen S1 of Dexter--when CBS ran it on network TV (slightly cleaned up)... I was almost upset when the writers' strike ended (meaning they could put made-for-CBS shows back on and didn't show more Dexter) |
| [22:22:52] | skd5aner: | k, really gotta run, later |
| [22:22:56] | kormoc: | sphery, to be fair. I was pissed off because I'm so invested in the show, not because it sucked |
| [22:23:05] | kormoc: | I *really* enjoy Dexter |
| [22:23:14] | EvilGuru: | I think it was on FTA over here or at least one season has been |
| [22:23:18] | kormoc: | Gives me ideas… lots of… ideas… |
| [22:23:35] | pplmaker: | oh my wife had a brilliant idea for a dvr feature.. you know how bose noise cancelling headphones work? |
| [22:23:46] | pplmaker: | she said someone should develop the same thing, but for laugh tracks |
| [22:23:52] | justinh: | heh |
| [22:24:01] | justinh: | and audience tracks in general |
| [22:24:06] | justinh: | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. SHUT UP |
| [22:24:25] | kormoc: | But they make you feel less alone! |
| [22:24:34] | kormoc: | They provide a very valuable social service! |
| [22:24:50] | pplmaker: | suicide rates would go up if pvrs had that feature, you say |
| [22:24:57] | justinh: | although generally audio is really badly mixed on TV these days. Ride the faders & let the compressor take care of the rest |
| [22:24:58] | EvilGuru: | They help you know what you should be finding funny |
| [22:25:09] | pplmaker: | family guy did a funny bit about that, like about selling an album that was all audience sounds |
| [22:25:20] | EvilGuru: | Which is great when you're forced to watch an episode of friends and do not want to be the akward one |
| [22:25:22] | justinh: | FG did a funny bit?! :-O |
| [22:25:52] | justinh: | EvilGuru: my favourite episode of friends is the one where Ross is a big dork & goes 'Muhhhhhhhhhh' |
| [22:25:59] | pplmaker: | remember such classics as "oooowwawww" <ethnic kiss> and "awwwww" <touching moment> |
| [22:26:03] | justinh: | oh wait! That's every frickin episode! |
| [22:26:40] | justinh: | oh yeah.. Chuck.. how's that doing these days? |
| [22:26:53] | justinh: | I thought I saw new episodes coming in over here |
| [22:27:34] | justinh: | I dunno why I like that show. everything I know about it says I shouldn't like it. It's ridiculous |
| [22:28:06] | Seeker`: | justinh: it can be nice to watch mindless stuff every now and then |
| [22:29:15] | sphery: | I'm all about "far removed from reality" tv |
| [22:29:23] | sphery: | I get enough realism in my own life |
| [22:29:30] | sphery: | tv is my escape |
| [22:29:43] | justinh: | might be because it doesn't take itself too seriously with the tech-speak |
| [22:30:11] | pplmaker: | you are the first people ive ever known to watch that show |
| [22:30:12] | justinh: | sphery: you should watch a few of my wife's shows for a night. LOL |
| [22:30:22] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:30:30] | justinh: | Casualty, or as I call it, CAUSALITY |
| [22:31:02] | Seeker`: | the show where HAPPY = DEAD |
| [22:31:04] | sphery: | Oh, I should also clarify that "far removed from reality" doesn't include Reality TV, either (which is, in fact, far removed from reality) |
| [22:31:18] | sphery: | I want it far removed and not pretending to be reality |
| [22:31:30] | Seeker`: | sphery: it is far removed from anyone who has an IQ over 10's reality |
| [22:31:31] | justinh: | it's about a hospital in the fictional town of Holby. Oh boy. If you see a wagon being loaded with radioactive angry killer bees, you just KNOW it's gonna come to a stop upside down in an orphanage |
| [22:32:03] | Seeker`: | justinh: an orphanage run by nuns, holding an open day for the local animal sanctuary |
| [22:32:17] | sphery: | justinh: so is that the UK version of Grey's Anatomy? |
| [22:32:18] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Is that the show where every over week they have to make a choice between two patients, only one of whom can live |
| [22:32:24] | Seeker`: | sphery: worse than that |
| [22:32:26] | justinh: | Seeker`: yup, just as the petrol station next door is having a massive fuel delivery |
| [22:32:32] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:32:51] | Seeker`: | justinh: along with the guy who is testing out his new taser? |
| [22:33:00] | sphery: | well, any show with a stylized "t" made from a "+"... what would you expect |
| [22:33:32] | justinh: | they rub people out in increasingly imaginative (but silly) ways – but when they had a storyline where one of the ambulance drivers adopted a puppy & her house was set on fire.. jesus |
| [22:34:02] | justinh: | that was just below the belt |
| [22:34:37] | EvilGuru: | Send the writers' a copy of "Final destination" |
| [22:35:05] | Seeker`: | its just 'spot the obvious thing thats going to happen' |
| [22:35:31] | Seeker`: | "I work on a building site and I forgot my steel capped boots. But its ok because I've *NEVER* been hit on the foot before" |
| [22:35:40] | justinh: | yeah they know that, so they go by the most circuitous route |
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