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Monday, January 9th, 2012, 00:04 UTC

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johnsoti:

Hi all. I'd like to ask a question regarding a mythtv isssue I'm having.

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RagingMind:

I guess that's not technically asking to ask a question, but it's close.

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johnsoti:

Well I wanted to see if anyone is actually monitoring the channel. Here goes.

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johnsoti:

I installed Mythtv and got the backend going to watch over the air ATSC channels available from my antenna

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johnsoti:

When I try to watch tv with the front end I can only watch one channel.

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johnsoti:

If I start the front end on that channel and try to change the channel Mythtv causes Xserver to restart.

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[R]:

so file a bug report

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

don't file a bug report

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tgm4883:

[R], you should find out if he's up to date first

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tgm4883:

[R], and what distro he is on so he knows where to file a bug report

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tgm4883:

as that doesn't appear to be a mythtv issue

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iamlindoro:

as X restarting indicates it's not a bug in MythTv, but rather one of GPU drivers/X/etc.

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tgm4883:

iirc, we had issues with that. should be resolved through updates i believe

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johnsoti:

I have also set up a channels.conf file and can watch all the channels through VLC .

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iamlindoro:

That just means Myth is able to tickle the misconfiguration and VLC is not

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iamlindoro:

specifically, the renderer/decoder being used when you use VLC is not the same as MythTV

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iamlindoro:

do as tgm4883 suggests

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** [R] tickles his hardware **

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tgm4883:

yea, do updates

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johnsoti:

sorry to be a pta but what would be the command to update on Ubuntu 10.10?

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tgm4883:

well, first you would want to activate our repos ( http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos )

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tgm4883:

then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

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tgm4883:

probably a dist-upgrade as well

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johnsoti:

ok going through the update process now

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johnsoti:

one other thing. I tried to record a show usins the Mythtv backend. When I tried to watch using the frontend the same restart of Xserver occured.

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johnsoti:

again VLC open the saved file with now issue. so if its the renderer is there any way I can cause mythtv front end to use VLc render?

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tgm4883:

johnsoti, you likely just need to fix the playback settings

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tgm4883:

what video card

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johnsoti:

its an Nvidia n730 going from memory

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johnsoti:

tgm4883 I upgraded everything what would be the next step?

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tgm4883:

reboot and try to play something

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tgm4883:

hmm

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johnsoti:

ok thank you for your help I will check back later

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[R]:

oh, that's classic

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[R]:

a friend set up myth

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[R]:

and he said "its too confusing"

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[R]:

and i asked if he had read the wiki, and he said "i shouldn't have to read directions"

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johnsoti:

well I'm back and the issue persists

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johnsoti:

before I logged off I was wondering if there is any way to get myth-tv front end to use VLC's renderer

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johnsoti:

I am way out to left field on that?

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[R]:

myth uses its internal player

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johnsoti:

sorry I was running the frontend and it rebooted Xserver when I switched the channel

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iamlindoro:

Again, your issue is not mythtv, but a bug in your X, graphics driver, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Myth in and of itself is incapable of crashing X-- if X crashes, it's X's problem

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iamlindoro:

You can attempt to work around the bug in your graphics driver/X server by trying different display profiles, if you've never changed that you're likely on the wrong one anyway

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page 4

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iamlindoro:

You, and most other people, should be running "Slim"

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iamlindoro:

and are likely defaulted to something silly like CPU+ or CPU++

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johnsoti:

iamindoro thank you! I did as you mentioned. it worked. I am now watching channels that I couldn't before.

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johnsoti:

I was defaulted to CPU+ like you said. thanks again.

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johnsoti:

before I came here I looked all over the place at the setup guides but did not come across this point.

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iamlindoro:

johnsoti: There's no reason they would-- the bug is in the driver and/or X server

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iamlindoro:

But glad you were able to work around it (indeed, that's all you did, the underlying mechanism is still broken)

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] Anyone ever create udev rules in CentOS 6? I'm trying to create some rules for symlinks to cd/dvd burners, and not having much luck. (they change order periodically... d'oh!)

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cara:

Hello, everyone. Does Live TV work with v4l tuners on the current 0.25 ?

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kisak:

I used a PVR150 last night with livetv and mythtv from 01-03–2012

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kisak:

changing channels is a bit flakey

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kisak:

I have a problem with flowplayer in mythweb, it's giving me "303: Failed to load a resource: Unable to load resources error #2124"

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cara:

My problem is that the frontend plays a few frames of video and then starts logging errors about corrupt packets coming from the backend.

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cara:

But the nuv file is properly recorder and can be viewed later on Recordings.

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cara:

recorded, not recorder

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wagnerrp:

kisak: does you web server have local access to those files?

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kisak:

wagnerrp: it should, I'll check

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wagnerrp:

meaning its located on the same machine, or has NFS access

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kisak:

wagnerrp: it has in the past

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wagnerrp:

and its not chrooted away from the normal filesystem

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kisak:

wagnerrp: all recording have world read access

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kisak:

wagnerrp: I am also able to download shows locally through mythweb

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wagnerrp:

perhaps ffmpeg (or mythffmpeg) was not compiled with the necessary capabilities

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kisak:

happen to know a testcase so I can try to run ffmpeg manually

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kisak:

(mythffmpeg)

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kisak:

do the .pl files in <mythweb>/modules/stream/ need to be executable?

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wagnerrp:

pull up the file that does it

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wagnerrp:

no, they get loaded, not run

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wagnerrp:

(i believe)

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wagnerrp:

if theyre not executable, they shouldnt need to be

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kisak:

I'm at the test file which I downloaded locally

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kisak:

(local and server-side)

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dchilton:

Hi. I'm setting up a minimal, headless 12.1 server as a MythTV backend. I installed the packages for mythtv-0_24-backend & mythtv-0_24-common. I created the DB, and now I need to populate it. I can

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dchilton:

't find the mc.sql file that's supposed to be used anywhere on my server.

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dchilton:

Is there a script that we're supposed to use to autopopulate the db, instead?

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wagnerrp:

backend and common... what distro's packages are you installing?

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dchilton:

wagnerrp: hi. opensuse.

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dchilton:

from the packman repos

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wagnerrp:

dont know what it does in relation to the database...

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wagnerrp:

the file should be in the source

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wagnerrp:

so where ever the packages place it

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dchilton:

wagnerrp: hm. nowhere on this box. i'll grab the original sources, then.

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/mythtv/database

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kisak:

dchilton: did you remember to run updatedb before using locate to find new files?

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dchilton:

kisak: sure.

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kisak:

dchilton: okay, just checking

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dchilton:

wagnerrp: thx. that'll work.

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dchilton:

hm. that just creates the DB — doesn't populate it. must the db name be 'mythconverg'? mine's "mythtvdb" .... wondering if that's fubar'd my efforts ...

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dchilton:

i've added MY db name to the config file @ /var/lib/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt ...

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wagnerrp:

thats correct, mythtv expects to have full authority over its database, and populates it as required

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wagnerrp:

the database can be named whatever you want, mythconverg is the default

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dchilton:

wagnerrp: I exec'd the GRANT all on ... for my DB name. that's not sufficient then?

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dchilton:

ah ...

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wagnerrp:

use the mc.sql, because there is some other basic configuration stuff in there, besides the grants

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wagnerrp:

(or run the commands in it on your own database)

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dchilton:

wagnerrp: i'll do that here in a sec. atm, mythfilldatabase is giving me this: http://pastebin.com/ibCmd6KU. i stronly suspect i'm doing something silly ...

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wagnerrp:

you must run mythtv-setup before doing anything else

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wagnerrp:

actually, no... read the documentation before anything else

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dchilton:

wagnerrp: i've read the docs — not like they've been that terribly elucidating for the split-hardware case — and have tried to run mythtv-setup from my remote/desktop repeatedly. i enter the creds, and simply get, after some complaint about no Upnp, a "Failed Login" notice

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wagnerrp:

it should read the contents of your config.xml/mysql.txt files

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wagnerrp:

if it cannot find them, or cannot connect using the data therein, it will attempt to find the backend using upnp

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wagnerrp:

and from there, fall back to bringing up the GUI and asking you how to connect

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kisak:

wagnerrp: right now I'm out of leads to solve the mythweb puzzle, apache's logs have nothing relevent, the only other thing that might be relevent is that those preview thumbnails are not showing on the episode list

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FLeiXiuS:

How does the auto-expire feature work? I have it set to autoexpire recordings after 2 weeks,but I have recordings sitting around that are over months old.

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dchilton:

wagnerrp: right. i've populated the config files for mythtv-setup. it fails to connect to the db, even thou i can connect with mysql client -> http://pastebin.com/YzVJpQde

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kisak:

wagnerrp: so, turns out mythweb-0.25_pre20111115 in the gentoo overlay is a flawed version, the thumbnails work fine in trunk

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kisak:

now I'm getting "200, Stream not found, Netstream.Play.StreamNotFound, clip: '[Clip]' <server address//file name>"

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FLeiXiuS:

No ideas on the auto expire?

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kisak:

FLeiXiuS: autoexpire only kicks in when you're low on space

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FLeiXiuS:

kisak, thats not how the wiki described it, but it makes sense.

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kisak:

the recordings aren't eligible to be auto-expired until they are 2 weeks old as you described it

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FLeiXiuS:

there should atl east be a 'time' differential to auto delete.

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kisak:

FLeiXiuS: if you want it to happen, make a patch to add the feature and make a bug report requesting the feature, while including the patch

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cara:

For what it's worth, I've just built mythfrontend from the current git and the problem persists. Live TV does not work, at all.

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wagnerrp:

FLeiXiuS: by default, livetv gets expired after 24 hours

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FLeiXiuS:

wagnerrp, Live TV yes – but not recordings.

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wagnerrp:

everything else waits until mythtv actually needs room to record before it actually gets deleted

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wagnerrp:

there is no "autoexpire after two weeks"

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FLeiXiuS:

wagnerrp, Which is unfortunate because its destroying my drive space.

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wagnerrp:

how so?

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FLeiXiuS:

My recordings are just sitting around – 5tb worth of recordings

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FLeiXiuS:

Even though they are over a year old

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wagnerrp:

but if youre not using it otherwise, or else mythtv would have deleted it to make room for more

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FLeiXiuS:

I would be using it, if I could.

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FLeiXiuS:

I cant copy files to it without destroying recordings that are persent

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wagnerrp:

so delete them

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FLeiXiuS:

And there is no simple batch destroy method

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wagnerrp:

so tell mythtv to reserve 50GB of space on each drive

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wagnerrp:

and as you start copying data in, mythtv will start deleting stuff out to preserve that much free space

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FLeiXiuS:

All of which could be avoided if it would just time-destroy recordings after x date.

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FLeiXiuS:

Understood, but that seems a bit clunky.

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FLeiXiuS:

In the future, I'll preserve a partition for myth

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wagnerrp:

why?

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FLeiXiuS:

So I can format with something more efficient for large files.

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wagnerrp:

what other than large files would you have on these drives?

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FLeiXiuS:

XFS or Ext4 – one of these days.

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FLeiXiuS:

wagnerrp, A load of virtual machines that are dynamically cloned.

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wagnerrp:

so boot drives, that are going to cause a lot of IO, a lot of IO that could conflict with time sensitive recordings

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FLeiXiuS:

wagnerrp, Possibly, but my raid configuration and drive speeds have been more than capable of handling the IO

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wagnerrp:

meaning raid1 or raid10?

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FLeiXiuS:

Dual raid 6 arrays, combined via raid0

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FLeiXiuS:

It's about 17 drives I believe.

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wagnerrp:

hardware, with a big chunk of cache and a battery?

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FLeiXiuS:

This was a custom built box I had assembled a while back, but chunking is around 64kb. And of course, I have an UPS

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wagnerrp:

no....

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wagnerrp:

i mean a hardware RAID card, with onboard cache, and a batter backup to make it non-volitile cache

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wagnerrp:

*battery

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FLeiXiuS:

Oh!

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FLeiXiuS:

Yeah these are perc cards, I'd have to check the specs

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wagnerrp:

the only way to get halfway decent write performance out of a parity array (5/6) is by having battery backed cache, so that writes can be made directly to the cache, rather than waiting for it to be synced fully to the magnetic medium

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, on various operations, linux will sit waiting there for the drive's own cache to empty before returning from any sync call

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FLeiXiuS:

Perhaps, but I rarely have problems with my cards being pegged for IO.

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FLeiXiuS:

Nor, with any throttling – I'll have to check, but I doubt its anything serious at the moment.

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FLeiXiuS:

My main problem is I forgot to use LVM as the array was intended just for one purpose at the time.

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FLeiXiuS:

FML...

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FLeiXiuS:

Technically I could resize the current fs, but I'm not going to risk any issues that may come up.

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FLeiXiuS:

That means I'll have to convince the wife to let me buy some of the newer SAS drives ;)

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cara:

Is anyone aware of work being done on LiveTV ?

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wagnerrp:

its known that some users are having trouble with live tv, but its not a high priority

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cara:

so I'm on my own... I'll try to find the problem, otherwise I'll have to revert to 0.23

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wagnerrp:

there have been many discussions on the mailing list, as well as an open ticket or two

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wagnerrp:

i dont know the solution, or the cause of the problem, off hand

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FLeiXiuS:

wagnerrp, is the maximum space limited to 200GB?

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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FLeiXiuS:

The setting for auto-expire, the maximum setting for the required amount of freespace seems to be capped at 200GB

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wagnerrp:

it could be

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wagnerrp:

more than likely, that is just a UI limit set to what was thought to be a sensible value

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FLeiXiuS:

That's probably a DB setting that I can manually set.

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FLeiXiuS:

If only I could get mythweb back up and running.

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sphery:

cara: and live tv in 0.24-fixes (but not 0.24 release--you must have the updates/fixes) should be /much/ better than 0.23

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sphery:

it's just unstable/development code where live tv is in a bad state, right now

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cara:

sphery: I upgraded from 0.23 (ubuntu LTS) to 0.24.1, but had problems switching channels on LiveTV; it would stall. So I upgraded to mythubuntu's autobuild of 0.25.

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cara:

And with it LiveTV does not work at all. So, assuming that 0.24.1 includes the fixes I'm stuck anyway.

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sphery:

yeah, "0.25" = 0.25pre = unstable/development code

[04:49:46]

sphery:

you want 0.24-fixes

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sphery:

= 0.24.1 + http://mythbuntu.org/repos (0.24.1 branch)

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sphery:

you can go back to 0.24.1 by restoring the pre-upgrade database backup

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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cara:

sphery: OK I'll try that. Thankfully I did a SQL dump beforehand

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sphery:

specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database (using the backup you created, or if you didn't do one before upgrading, there should be one in your DB Backups Storage Group somewhere, or Default Storage Group if you haven't defined a directory list for DB Backups

[04:51:58]

FLeiXiuS:

Fortunately, 0.25 is working perfectly besides transcoding. But that might be user error.

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cara:

FleiXius: You mean, including LiveTV? I can't get LiveTV to work with the current trunk code.

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FLeiXiuS:

Then again I havent pulled the repo in a while..

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FLeiXiuS:

Yeah, LiveTV is working for me, I'd have to check which commit I'm on.

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FLeiXiuS:

0.25.0~master.20111230.30a6a74

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sphery:

ttbomk, live tv with v4l cards doesn't work at all in unstable and aspect ratio is messed up in live tv in unstable

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Beirdo:

5 minutes left until I get to reload and try this

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Beirdo:

might have a fix that will make the LCD stuff work "properly" again

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Beirdo:

just waiting for this show to finish

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Beirdo:

awww, who snuck in a db upgrade!

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Beirdo:

ah yes. damaged recordings

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

bug closed

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Beirdo:

So, to all who may use the LCD, it now shows playback information again!

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bugthing:

hello ... I am trying to use MythTV as a DNLA server for content to be rendered by my PS3 .. I can see the server via PS3, but content is all marked as "unknown format" ... can any help?

[08:41:33]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not transcode, and the content as it exists on disk cannot be played by the PS3

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bugthing:

arh... so need to change the format of my source files

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wagnerrp:

your source is not a TV tuner?

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bugthing:

there is a tuner... but mainly I want to access my libary of films and music served up by MythTV

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wagnerrp:

most of what you record from a digital tuner should be playable directly

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wagnerrp:

anything else is up to you

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bugthing:

I did notice that, (I have 1 bit of recorded TV that works), all other content is unplayabled .. so (for clarification) I need to change the format of the stored media within my libary?

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wagnerrp:

if you intend to use mythtv as your UPNP server, yes

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bugthing:

ok, thanks very much for the info :) .. now I know where to focus my attention

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bugthing:

got any tips for software to convert media (music & video) to a playable format for the PS3??

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wagnerrp:

the PS3 likes m2ts files

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wagnerrp:

you can try just remuxing your content, no transcoding required

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bugthing:

once again, thanks for the info .. I will look into "remuxing"

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wagnerrp:

good job beirdo

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wagnerrp:

close his ticket, and he just puts it on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

youre supposed to CRUSH those dreams into tiny little bits

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wagnerrp:

:)

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ontae:

hi everybody ... searching for a mythtv client (frontend) for ms windows which is capable of watching live tv via mythtv backend... is there anything out? ... any recommendations?

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Peitolm:

windows media player

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Peitolm:

depends on the version of window

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Peitolm:

s

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ontae:

win 7

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ontae:

Peitolm: O.K. – thanks ... found the following: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . n_Windows.3F

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stuartm:

mythfrontend

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quicksilver:

so sometime a week or two back tv_grab_rt_uk stopped working for me

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quicksilver:

I didn't notice until yesterday

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quicksilver:

I googled the error message and followed some random forum advice to move ~/.xmltv/supplemenet out the way

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quicksilver:

and that fixed it.

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quicksilver:

what gives?

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stuartm:

quicksilver: the supplement cache file was corrupted maybe?

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stuartm:

the xmltv supplement file stores updated information on xmltvids and channel mappings, it's downloaded on each run from supplement.xmltv.org

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quicksilver:

intresting.

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stuartm:

it was introduced a couple of years back to prevent a new release of xmltv every time the channel lineups changed for one or more grabbers

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quicksilver:

I thought my xmltv was more than a couple of years old :)

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quicksilver:

but it's possible I upgraded it because tv_grab_rt_uk broke and I now have no memory of that

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quicksilver:

happens more often than I'd like :

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stuartm:

quicksilver: it could have been more than 2 years ago that they added the supplement stuff, I really don't remember exactly

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kisak:

anyone around with the current mythweb for 0.25?

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dchilton:

hi. i'm exec'ing mythtv-setup @ my desktop, connecting to mythbackend installed on remote server. the connectino's made, and i'm asked to upgrade schema from v1226 -> v1264. the process starts, multiple versions are sequentially upgraded, then the process FAILs ("Data truncated for column 'data' at row 1") @ v1262, just short of completion.

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dchilton:

Here's the output @ console: http://pastebin.com/dbB86yqf. Is this a problem with that particular schema definition? or something I can fix on my end?

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bugthing:

dchilton: I have no clue but it would seem that the existing table has too much data in the 'data' column to make the change to the 'settings' ... I am not infront of my Myth machine so change check what I have my in my settings table, but more that 16000 characters in a column of table called 'settings' seems quite alot?... you could try backing up. removing the offending entry of from the settings table and trying again???

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stuartm:

dchilton: it's a problem with the schema update in a way, that update changes certain columns from TEXT to a very long VARCHAR, it's failing in your case because you have an entry in your settings table which exceeds the max length imposed

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stuartm:

dchilton: I'm betting it's the mythmusic playlist setting

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dchilton:

stuartm: hi. this is a brand new install. there's no mythmusic installed. how do I identify an 'offending entry' when *i* have installed nothing as yet?

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stuartm:

dchilton: "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE length(data) > 16000;" might do the trick

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dchilton:

stuartm: --> "Empty set (0.00 sec)"

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stuartm:

hmm, try changing that to 1600 (quick and dirty way to expose anything even close to the limit)

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dchilton:

stuartm: same thing ... --> "Empty set (0.00 sec)"

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stuartm:

hmm, then I'll have to refer you to sphery who wrote that update and knows the vagaries of mysql better

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dchilton:

stuartm: thx. ping sphery

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: do you recall at what length that 'expire immediately' kicks in?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: no ...

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Captain_Murdoch:

for short LiveTV sessions? I thought it was 2 minutes.

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wagnerrp:

that gets deleted when the session is closed? or when the next handler pass is made?

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wagnerrp:

just asking as #10246 made it to the wiki, and i want to explain why his request is already handled

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Captain_Murdoch:

during the next pass.

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Captain_Murdoch:

so we do delete short sessions in the middle of a session.

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stuartm:

iirc even longer livetv recordings get expired quickly, within a day whether or not we're short of space

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wagnerrp:

exactly one day, by default

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wagnerrp:

its a configurable option

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wagnerrp:

presumably one he configured

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stuartm:

right, re-reading the ticket I can see he was aware of the longer limit

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stuartm:

not sure I see the need for either to be configurable :/

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wagnerrp:

when you can press 'record' and turn that livetv recording into a proper scheduled recording

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wagnerrp:

i dont see a use in what he is asking for

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wagnerrp:

HAH!

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wagnerrp:

some ip address (113.143.213.76) has been making a couple garbage named accounts on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

so i blocked them all

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wagnerrp:

not a minute after i did so, the guy tried creating another account and was automatically blocked

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Captain_Murdoch:

configurable livetv expiration time is because some people semi-care about LiveTV and might want to be able to go back 1–2 weeks later to 'keep' a livetv recording, while others aren't concerned about that and don't care if they disappear within 24 hours. some would say to just let auto-expire take care of that if/when we need the disk space, but for people with lots of disk space, they might not want 3-month old LiveTV c

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Captain_Murdoch:

luttering up their Watch Recordings screen when looking at LiveTV 'recordings'.

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wizbit:

i know a lot of nvidia cards are vdpau capable, however, are there any recommended ones what perform excellent?

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wizbit:

are there any memory limits?

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wagnerrp:

512

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wagnerrp:

512MB minimum rather

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dekarl:

wizbit: from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU 1) 512MB is strongly recommended

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wizbit:

dekarl: would more be beneficial or a waste of time?

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dekarl:

you likely want to get a card supporting feature set C (whatever that means... see wiki ;)

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wizbit:

oh interesting

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dekarl:

and wrt memory, its up to bei rdo to update it once numbers from gpucommflag are available

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wizbit:

ok, ill look at feature set C cards. i will get a low profile card

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dekarl:

gotta go

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wizbit:

i guess i can get the lowest / cheapest model number in feature set C as i dont need 3D performance etc

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wizbit:

GeForce 205

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wagnerrp:

205?

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wizbit:

thats whats on the wiki in feature set c

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wizbit:

no such thing 205?

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wizbit:

210 exists

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wizbit:

bloody heck

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wizbit:

i can pick up a 210 for Â£20?

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wizbit:

surely that cant be right

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wizbit:

i assume all the vendors are pretty much all the same thing, just different badges

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wizbit:

zotac and asus look nice

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wizbit:

i need to research all of that range to see what runs the coolest

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stuartm:

they've apparently released a new generation, feature set D, although it's probably high-end cards only, if I'm undestanding this it supports TrueHD and DTS-HD passthrough (which is fine except not many people have the equipment to benefit)

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dekarl:

re

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dchilton:

ping sphery

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/09/joshua-jack . . . s_picks=true

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: sorry, man. stupid is as stupid does!

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: well thats disappointing

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skd5aner:

yea

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dekarl:

is Jamu still the way to go for 0.24-fixes metadata? (Just replied that on the list, but I'm not sure)

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skd5aner:

yes

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skd5aner:

well...

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skd5aner:

sorta

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skd5aner:

for recordings, yes

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skd5aner:

for videos, no

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skd5aner:

(although you can use it for videos if you want)

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dekarl:

hmm, I guess Jan was asking for recordings (as he mentioned his guide data source)

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iamlindoro:

dekarl: Note that all JAMU does for recordings is download some imge files and try to name them in a way such that they will be used-- doesn't add any metadata to recordings

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dekarl:

so no episode number?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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dekarl:

didn't think of that :(

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wagnerrp:

i already responded as such

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dekarl:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

I can do one better, I posted a patch to do it much more effectively, in binary, using my libraries, many months ago

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iamlindoro:

s/my/myth/

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iamlindoro:

(search the ML for 'mythocurreporter')

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RagingMind:

does anyone have suggestions for 4:3 mythtv themes?

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dekarl:

RagingMind: suggestions on what to keep in mind when creating them?

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dekarl:

if you are looking for a theme I'd just try them out, its easy now with the theme downloader

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wizbit:

stuartm: aye interesting, http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/geforce_family_uk.html im in the process of finding out what chip runs the coolest out of that lot. I want the card to be passive cooling, and not get too hot.

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stuartm:

passive cooling and the fact that it freed up a slot is why I went for a motherboard with an onboard nvidia GPU (sadly harder to find now that nvidia is out of the chipset business)

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wizbit:

stuartm: i am going to buy one of these for Â£80

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wizbit:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF06b . . . 8199523.html

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wizbit:

it has a spare pci express slot – ready for a nvidia low profile card

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wizbit:

im getting a core2duo version

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sid3windr:

p4 :(

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wizbit:

sid3windr: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-COMPAQ-DC-7700-V . . . _1354wt_768c

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wizbit:

that has a spare pci express slot :D

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stuartm:

frontend only, or usb tuners?

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sid3windr:

ahh I missed that, wizbit :) better :)

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justinh:

so I crawl onto the users ML..and see the ubuntu tv screenshots. meh

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wagnerrp:

were working with canonical on ubuntu tv?

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amshake:

front-end only question...

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amshake:

I just installed a frontend on a second machine

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amshake:

but I can not get live tv to work

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amshake:

I click "watch tv" and it almost immediatly dumps back to the menu

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justinh:

wagnerrp: were or 'we're' ?

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amshake:

any ideas?

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amshake:

even where to look to find an error?

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justinh:

amshake: backend log first. frontend log 2nd

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wagnerrp:

amshake: that means you have a backend already set up elsewhere?

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amshake:

yep

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amshake:

backend/frontend working in the family room works great

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amshake:

I do see unknown encoder errors in the backend log

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amshake:

frontend log shows...

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amshake:

GetEngryAt(-1) failed.

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wagnerrp:

show it in a pastebin, the whole thing

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amshake:

hold on

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amshake:

frontend

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amshake:

http://pastebin.com/1VLsiRHz

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amshake:

backend

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wagnerrp:

the whole thing, from when you first start mythfrontend

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amshake:

http://pastebin.com/8HhQA6SG

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amshake:

roger that

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amshake:

give me a moment

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amshake:

fighting a 9 month old while I'm doing this

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amshake:

haha

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kormoc_:

fighting a 9 month old? That shouldn't be too hard. I'm sure it's fairly easy to knock them out.

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amshake:

hahah

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amshake:

wife might not like that

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amshake:

ok, here is the frontend log from start of frontend

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amshake:

http://pastebin.com/MVA9Sf5S

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wagnerrp:

yeah, your backend is misconfigured

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: IIRC both communities collaborate at least as consultants. no idea what the shared code is.. maybe the ffmpeg gstreamer plugin?

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amshake:

the local backend?

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wagnerrp:

you dont have a local backend

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wagnerrp:

you have a remote backend

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amshake:

right

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amshake:

meaning... the mythtv-setup on the local machine

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wagnerrp:

and in order to use a remote backend, that backend must be told what IP address you want to use to connect to it

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amshake:

correct

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amshake:

I can see recorded content from the master backend

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amshake:

currently

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wagnerrp:

right now, your database is telling frontends to connect to 127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

which running a frontend on the same machine as the backend works just fine

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wagnerrp:

but on your remote frontend, there is no backend accessible at 127.0.0.1

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amshake:

ok

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wagnerrp:

instead, you want it to access your backend at 192.168.2.145

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amshake:

got it

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wagnerrp:

run mythtv-setup, on the master backend, general, first page

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wagnerrp:

change both fields

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wagnerrp:

they must match, and then must be IPs, not hostnames

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wagnerrp:

s/then/they/

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amshake:

ok, I'm in setup

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amshake:

it has a section for "local backend" and "master backend"

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: they may be talking with the xbmc guys, but ive not heard so much as a peep about it in our developer channel or mailing list

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amshake:

they should both be the master's IP?

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wagnerrp:

amshake: the local backend is the address anything wanting to access it will use

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wagnerrp:

the master backend is merely used to determine which backend will operate as the master

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wagnerrp:

for a backend to operate as master, its local IP address must match that defined for the master

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: we've been invited to some conference with possible remote participation... (but with the wrong time zone, so I missed it :(

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amshake:

oohh ohh

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amshake:

wait

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amshake:

I need to run setup on the MASTER

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sphery:

dchilton: it's almost definitely a corrupt string in your database (meaning corrupt character encoding)... You're not actually upgrading from 1226 to 1264, are you? (as 1226 wasn't any released version). You're upgrading from MythTV 0.21 to 0.24, right?

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: "we" as "the linuxtv people"?

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wagnerrp:

s/linuxtv/xmltv/

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sphery:

stuartm: the mythmusic playlists are actually stored in the settings table, not in some playlist table?

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dekarl:

we, as in the mythtv dev channel

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dekarl:

one sec

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sphery:

if so, you're right that a playlist may cause a problem. FWIW, I'd like to make a generic mediaplaylist table that allows playing any content in a playlist (recordings, video, music, ...), but planned to do that after the recordedfile schema conversion

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amshake:

ok

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amshake:

I have the backend setup with both the local and master using the same IP

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dchilton:

sphery: hi. i'm clean-installing myth 0.24 from pkgs (@ packman repos). that 'starts' at 1227 ... fyi, i took this to ML (http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . 26057.html). the (a?) problem with NULL data has been id'd; workaround works. now trying to find/understand a permanenet fix.

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: grep of my #mythtv logs isnt turning up anything promising

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2011-10-31:16:51

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dekarl:

I don't remember who else went there, but I saw a bunch of familar names bidding farewell in the chat when I entered ;)

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wagnerrp:

ah, i do remember that

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wagnerrp:

but i didnt know we had any significant involvement in it after that

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sphery:

dchilton: so, I need to read that thread, but as data is a not null column, there shouldn't be any null in data

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dekarl:

maybe the mythbuntu team was more involved, who knows

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amshake:

r0x0r... that worked wagnerrp

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amshake:

thanks for your help

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tgm4883:

whats going on?

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dchilton:

sphery: after the fail @ v1262, 'select * from settings where Data is Null;' returns 4 rows.

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dchilton:

changing with 'update settings set data = '' where data is null;' seems to clear the issue

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sphery:

that means that your schema is corrupt

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sphery:

please pastebin output of: desc settings;

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sphery:

wonder if packman is giving you a corrupt schema

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dchilton:

sphery: very possible. no real clue what you mean by "my" schema, though ... this is a 'clean' install, and it's pulling the updates from the 'net, i guess.

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dchilton:

sphery one sec on the pastebin ...

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, IDK all of the mythtv devs, but it would look like a few are in the #ubuntu-tv channel being involved

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dchilton:

sphery do you want that from @ the fail, or after the fix? i presume the former?

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sphery:

either is fine

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sphery:

just wonder what it says now

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stuartm:

sphery: historically they were, so a user with an old database could still find an old entry there

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dchilton:

sphery: now -> http://pastebin.com/SeMddwCp

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stuartm:

sphery: these days it's stored elsewhere, but still in a stupid CSV list of tracks ids in a single column instead of one entry per track per playlist in a playlists table

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sphery:

stuartm: ah, ok

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sphery:

better than in settings, though :)

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sphery:

dchilton: ok, so it wasn't (isn't) not null before

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: it would appear the channel was not logged during that time

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wagnerrp:

i can find logs for before, and for after

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wagnerrp:

but not specifically then

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sphery:

dchilton: what settings did you have with null/empty values?

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dchilton:

sphery: mythfilldatabaseLastRunStart, mythfilldatabaseLastRunEnd, mythfilldatabaseLastRunStatus & DataDirectMessage

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dchilton:

(from <- http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . 326074.html)

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sphery:

ah, ok

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sphery:

dchilton: and you have an old qt, right

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sphery:

like 4.6.x

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dchilton:

sphery: nope. libqt4–4.8.0–241.1.x86_64

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sphery:

ok, must be the new one where it counts that as an error

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sphery:

couldn't remember which way it went

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sphery:

github is so annoying

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dchilton:

sphery: sounds like you're not surprised, then. something i can do/fix on my end? or a code or packaging fix required?

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sphery:

I really think they're using javascript to add color to every pixel of every letter of the source code

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sphery:

no, it's a simple fix... I won't be able to do it 'til the weekend

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sphery:

fwiw, it can't happen in unstable/development/master

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sphery:

and it only fails on some versions of qt

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sphery:

(in 0.24-fixes)

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dchilton:

sphery: ok, thanks. do you have enuf info from me?

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sphery:

yeah, thanks for the report

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sphery:

it's actually that 1226 initial schema that's the problem

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sphery:

it's putting null values in for those

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dchilton:

sphery: np, ty! as for getting that coming fix into packaging ... afayk, will it percolate automagically into packman repos? or do I need to poke somebody?

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sphery:

it will go into 0.24-fixes (this weekend, I think... can't boot my dev box 'til then), then packagers will be able to pull from there

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sphery:

not sure if that's how packman is doing it, or if they're only using release tarballs

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justinh:

hrm. looks very xbmc-ish, that ubuntu tv

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dchilton:

sphery: that i can check on ... in the meantime, with this 'update' workaround, do I end up with a safe-to-use system?

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sphery:

yes

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sphery:

that's exactly the right workaround

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sphery:

and is part of the fix

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dchilton:

thanks very much. help's appreciated.

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sphery:

(and you don't need the rest of the fix)

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sphery:

funniest thing is that I think I caused this to change from a warning in Qt to an error

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sphery:

I put in a patch that detects data truncation--which went unreported before the patch

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sphery:

(patch to Qt that is)

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wizbit:

justinh: its now time to switch over to HD thanks to: PCTV nanoStick T2 290e and a linux driver!

[22:32:33]

justinh:

no it isn't. there are still only 4 HD channels to watch & none of them offer compelling content

[22:34:16]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: perhaps a month and a half late, but reading through the mailing list logs, SD use with ubuntu-tv may be a bit iffy

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wagnerrp:

the software is open source and non-commercial, but the device itself would be a commercial product

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wagnerrp:

i dont know where that would fall with the licensing restrictions

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justinh:

canonical say they're gonna handle all that.

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wagnerrp:

SD is more or less a carry-over from the old zap2it restrictions, which ended up shut down specifically because it was abused by a certain commercial application telling its users to sign up for accounts

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justinh:

...which in real terms would mean them having to talk to tribune themselves

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stuartm:

oh, Canonical still dreaming of their own media centre? They were talking about it as far back as 2007 ...

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: theyre supposed to be demo-ing a TV with their media center software on it at CES

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dchilton:

i'm config'ing a remote mythbackend from a local myth-setup. are any of those config changes stored inf flatfiles on the remote? or all/only in the DB?

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wagnerrp:

which may or may not be interfacing with a separate mythbackend for its recording portion

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** justinh remembers that annoying guy he met at a linux expo way back **

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wagnerrp:

havent had a chance to look through the code and figure out specifically what its doing

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wagnerrp:

bazaar wants to segfault rather than clone the repo

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stuartm:

bah, not going to wish them good luck, I've invested too much time in MythTV to see them waltz in with their own product and undermine it

[22:39:19]

wagnerrp:

im just simply not a fan of adding all sorts of capability to a tv

[22:39:42]

wagnerrp:

a media player needs to upgrade frequently with new formats, new sources, new capabilities...

[22:39:43]

justinh:

oh I am. the mythical convergence thing.. been dreaming of that since I was a kid

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kormoc:

"Local storage support for DVR functionality2" "2 Solid-state storage recommended"

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kormoc:

holy crap

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kormoc:

that'd be expensive

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wagnerrp:

a tv is a tv, it just sits there as a generic display, pumping out whatever video is set its way

[22:40:13]

stuartm:

justinh: no your right, it was Aaron Seigo from KDE at LRL, not the guy from Ubuntu ...

[22:40:24]

justinh:

but, I doubt I'm ever going to see it at a competency level mythtv has reached, in a commercial device

[22:40:28]

stuartm:

well at least KDE's plans died

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justinh:

stuartm: he made a mistake in not buying enough JD ;-)

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justinh:

mind, much more & I wouldn't have even remembered the meeting

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sphery:

dchilton: all configuration is stored in the mythconverg database, with the exception of the config.xml/mysql.txt file(s) that point MythTV at the database with the configuration

[22:41:34]

wagnerrp:

if you really want to integrate a media streamer into a tv, give it a modular bay with power and hdmi

[22:41:34]

justinh:

as of now I remember it happened, and nothing else. ahem

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kormoc:

is ubuntu tv just xmbc + mythtv?

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justinh:

kormoc: kinda

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I just don't get the idea behind putting a $50 computer into a $1000 screen

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stuartm:

justinh: indeed, the JD definiately blunted my memory of the evening :)

[22:41:49]

wagnerrp:

potentially give it network and ir if youre not going to route that over the hdmi

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justinh:

ah those were the days

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sphery:

I mean, do people really want to buy a whole new TV when version 2.0 of the software is released and they find it doesn't work with the old hardware in their tv

[22:42:38]

stuartm:

I remember not feeling all that great the following morning :)

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sphery:

or that their vendor refuses to update the firmware to give them Andro^H^H^H^H^HUbuntu TV 2.0

[22:42:59]

justinh:

I dunno, these smart TVs aren't all that bad if you manage to stumble upon the formats they can use

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stuartm:

sphery: expect automatic firmware updates, those are pretty standard now for all TVs

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wagnerrp:

a mac mini, or even some atom/arm box, bolted to the VESA mounts, or even just velcro'd to the back of the tv, is effectively my 'ideal'

[22:43:42]

justinh:

stuartm: I remember we had made the bar run out of JD at one point

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stuartm:

justinh: yep, that we did

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, but as this will be more like an Android--with constant and frequent new versions coming out--I imagine it will be just like with smartphones, where vendors don't want to invest resources in supporting older models when they can just put out newer models and force users to upgrade

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sphery:

(which is why so many are still running extremely old versions of Android)

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justinh:

heh like users don't want to upgrade ;-)

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justinh:

stuartm: I've still got that big aerial lol

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justinh:

come to think, I've still got that backend

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stuartm:

heh

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justinh:

good ole 800Mhz athlon. It did me well

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sphery:

yeah, but unfortunately, cable companies--unlike US cell phone companies--don't provide a "forced savings plan" where they charge you $20-$40/mo extra so that you can get a discounted TV(/phone) after 22 months

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sphery:

meaning I really don't see a lot of users choosing to replace a $1000 TV to get a new $50 computer in it

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dchilton:

sphery thx ...

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sphery:

I'm still amazed how many US cell phone users buy into the "discounted phone" rip off

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justinh:

sphery: not many people buying $1000 TVs though I bet

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stuartm:

the weekend was a bit of a flop, the biggest crowd we drew was when we put on LiveTV during the F1 and MythTV wasn't the attraction ;)

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stuartm:

LinuxWorld was much better

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justinh:

stuartm: we had a laugh though

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stuartm:

aye

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justinh:

and nobody got impaled on railings

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stuartm:

ahem

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sphery:

anyway, IMHO, the smart of the TV needs to be a replaceable module--whether it's a STB, a flash-drive-like device that sticks into it, or a module with a standard interface

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sphery:

i.e. similar to Roku's new one

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justinh:

and we got to smell Stallman from the other side of the hall!

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sphery:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/01/r . . . mart-tvs.ars style thing

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sphery:

HDMI port with Mobile High-Definition Link (MHL)

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stuartm:

ohhh! So that was the odour ...

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justinh:

stuartm: coming back from lunch I got thr fright of my life when I saw what was on the main stage, that bloke in the er.. trunks.

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justinh:

still, got to present mythtv on a massive screen in a theatre. that was cool

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stuartm:

I don't clearly remember that ... I'm not going to try :)

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justinh:

lol

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Seeker`:

hmm, new ubuntu tv interface is interesting

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wagnerrp:

mobile HD is one thing i absolutely do not understand

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justinh:

wagnerrp: in the code, mostly qml, js...

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wagnerrp:

justinh: thats what i got when using the online browser

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wagnerrp:

but there simply didnt seem enough there to run that thing

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stuartm:

so, I've ordered a length of external grade Cat 6, I should have fun installing that :)

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wagnerrp:

unless its pulling heavily on unity libraries

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wagnerrp:

i mean mythtv's code base is in the couple million line count

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wagnerrp:

xbmc's is fairly high up there as well

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wagnerrp:

and this, just a few tens of thousand, and a bunch of javascript?

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wagnerrp:

it seems like theres something missing

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: that sounds awfully familiar ...

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wagnerrp:

bringing up memories of lamborghini's versus soap box cars?

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stuartm:

I don't suppose the lead behind that project happened to write a rant to our mailing list a few years ago

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stuartm:

?

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kormoc:

ha

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justinh:

I was thinking today there'd be no way they'd have had time to put even a functioning demo together for that video

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wagnerrp:

thats not what im implying, just that it seems to be drawing on a bunch of stuff outside that repo, that i havent taken the time to look at what is actually linked in

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justinh:

there's some cpp there too.. but there's still not much code

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wagnerrp:

like all their UI stuff is provided by unity, and theyre basically providing window definitions, and some basic communications code

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devinheitmueller:

can't you just reproduce MythTV with a small Perl script?

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justinh:

a small perl init script which launches mythtv? sure :P

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stuartm:

I'd not go so far as to say MythTV is lean and mean, some cruft has accumulated over the years but I'd defy anyone to produce an application with the exact same functionality and performance in perl, let alone a small perl script :) That of course doesn't stop some weekend coders suggesting that they could do much better with whatever scripting language happens to be in vogue

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Seeker`:

the 'OMG YOU WONT DO FEATURE X! ILL GO WRITE MY OWN MYTHTV IN 20 MINS' people?

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stuartm:

it's more likely to be python these days, although I expect shortly we'll hear the case for HTML 5 + Javascript

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justinh:

maybe somebody could write a thing to do all the things *they* want in very little code, but that'd be missing the point

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stuartm:

oddly, I've not seen anyone suggest Ruby but I try to avoid the -users mailing list so I probably just missed it

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justinh:

I mean sure, you can call a video player with only one line typed on a terminal. But with a remote? LOL

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kormoc:

justinh, lirc config files! KISS! ;)

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: Well, not that remote are just inputdev devices, you should be able to type commands with the remote.

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stuartm:

s/not/now/

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devinheitmueller:

stuartm: yes, pardon.

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justinh:

devinheitmueller: sure, but who would *want* to?

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Seeker`:

I think if mythtv could do the various UI effects that ubuntu tv could, I'd be pretty content

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: well, you just have ten commands in your shell [0–9]. :-)

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Seeker`:

Don't think there are any features to add that I would really want

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justinh:

Seeker`: that'll be coming eventually I'm sure. How long have I been saying that now? lol

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Seeker`:

no idea :P years?

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justinh:

since ticket 12 came around I think

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Seeker`:

heh, 7 years then

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justinh:

like, one day I WILL buy a HDTV :P

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Seeker`:

from the discussion in the other channel the other day it sounds like its not a herculean task to add new effects, just time consuming

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stuartm:

I just wish we had more people contributing, and little stuff too, we don't get enough patches to fix little cosmetic and consistency issues, or minor improvements to existing features such as auto-detecting things instead of requiring manual configuration

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stuartm:

a hundred patches like those would be worth one big feature patch IMHO, the overall effect would be dramatic

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

gonna install linux on my desktop machine at home very soon, then get back into twiddling code. try & set about that calendar widget

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kormoc:

One problem is more and more people are switching to web streaming only

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Seeker`:

I've been back at work for 3 days since christmas, and already my desire to code at home is sapping away

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kormoc:

and it's painful to support it all

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justinh:

I wish people would agree on menus though, I've had ideas about them for ages

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Seeker`:

justinh: what sort of ideas?

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justinh:

trying to make there be only one menu button for one thing

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stuartm:

kormoc: so I hear, although there must be people like me who couldn't imagine watching some super compressed, lower resolution rubbish which chokes my broadband connection and often requires payment when I get higher bitrate, higher resolution TV delivered through a dedicated aerial/dish completely free of charge

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justinh:

but there are people trying to cling onto the old ways for dear life – not that I've had a good plan for how mythvideo menus could be reqorked practically

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justinh:

mythvideo has a lot of useful options there

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Seeker`:

there aren't that many mythvideo menus are there?

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kormoc:

stuartm, the UK is quite different, for sure, but I save a ton of money and get more shows by ditching cable/satellite

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justinh:

Seeker`: too many for one menu

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justinh:

8 or 9 items is the max for a menu IMHO

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kormoc:

justinh, a lot of myth video menu stuff should be settings. People who toggle how the videos display all the time are doing it wrong (IMHO)

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justinh:

what was done for 'watch recordings' wasn't ideal either (toggling group vs recording menus) but it works better than the old way IMHO

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stuartm:

kormoc: I agree with the latter, but not so much the former – at least how settings are implemented right now, buried several layers done in the main menu structure, it's hurts usability – having ready access to settings in two or three button presses is much better

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justinh:

bugger. sounds like my son is being sick. time to go

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stuartm:

I'd agree that daily use stuff should be easiest to access in any menu, the less important stuff can afford to come after that

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