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Monday, October 31st, 2011, 16:51 UTC
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[16:53:51] willcooke: Just typed this, but it doesn't look like it got through. Apologies if this is duplicated:
[16:54:10] willcooke: Hi folks, if you've been watching Mark Shuttleworth's keynote at UDS you will have seen him announce that Ubuntu is aiming to become a common platform across multiple devices including television.
[16:54:22] willcooke: We will be having a meeting here at UDS which you can also participate online via IRC and there should be some live video and audio feeds via the Ubuntu website.
[16:54:32] willcooke: We are planing on hearing people's ideas and getting input from anyone who might be interested. You can join #ubuntu-uds-curacao1 from 1500 EDT (20:00hrs zulu)
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[17:24:15] lapion: willcooke you still there ?
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[17:26:00] lapion: yeah saw that one too late..
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[18:20:12] willcooke: Hi lapion, sorry had to go to lunch and am having a few connection issues
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[18:24:05] wagnerrp: devinheitmueller: does the HVR-1800/1850 still have those analog recording issues with mythtv?
[18:24:30] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: I believe so. Steven's analog fixes haven't gone upstream yet (although some related ALSA stuff did finally get merged)
[18:25:22] wagnerrp: (in reference to mailing list thread you may have read)
[18:25:34] sphery: FWIW, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards still says, "Note 3: Doesn't work with Mythtv, NTSC tuner seems unsupported currently."
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[18:25:59] ** sphery just bought a new 2250--which should arrive this afternoon **
[18:26:37] Beirdo: yay
[18:27:20] sphery: after many years, I'll finally be able to remove that Thursday-night conflict!
[18:28:40] devinheitmueller: sphery: I believe the digital side of the board should work with myth. The problems are largely with the analog side.
[18:29:02] ** wagnerrp prefers the term 'pissing into the wind' over 'swimming against the current' **
[18:29:02] devinheitmueller: Also, it largely depends on whether it's an 1800 or an 1850. They use different components, and the 1850 needed a bunch of new driver code.
[18:29:04] Beirdo: devinheitmueller: I've had about zero problems with either side
[18:29:16] devinheitmueller: Beirdo: you mean for digital, right?
[18:29:18] Beirdo: on my 2250 that is
[18:29:30] Beirdo: analog or digital, both work fine for me
[18:29:40] devinheitmueller: Beirdo: you lost me. We're talking about the 1800/1850, not the 2250.
[18:29:53] devinheitmueller: The 2250 is a completely different hardware design with different drivers.
[18:30:04] Beirdo: Oh, sorry, I was seeing sphery's purchase of a 2250 and got confused
[18:30:05] wagnerrp: sphery bought a 2250, not an 1800/1850
[18:30:06] Beirdo: sorry :)
[18:30:12] Beirdo: yeah, different beasts
[18:30:13] sphery: devinheitmueller: yeah, note 3 was in reference to the NTSC side of 1800
[18:30:19] devinheitmueller: sphery: yeah.
[18:30:20] Beirdo: oooh.
[18:30:29] ** Beirdo goes back to his coffee :) **
[18:30:30] sphery: didn't know there were fixes for digital stuff that were required for mythtv, too
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[18:31:12] sphery: sorry for confusing everyone with my mention of 2250
[18:31:19] sphery: I'm just very excited about it :)
[18:31:19] devinheitmueller: sphery: I don't think so. For the 1850, the changes required from the 1800 were all related to the analog side (the 1850 has an onboard DIF). That said, the cx23885 has a basic problem with analog which effects both cards.
[18:31:36] sphery: ohhh
[18:31:53] wagnerrp: isnt soccer 90 minutes, and the clock almost never stops?
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[18:34:53] Beirdo: wagnerrp: 45min, 15min, 45min, no?
[18:35:08] Beirdo: i.e. the 15min is between halfs
[18:35:43] wagnerrp: i mean, mike perkins' mention that soccer rarely goes over holds no real weight
[18:35:43] Beirdo: I'd have to go to another game and pay attention :)
[18:35:49] tgm4883: does mythvideo still support external players?
[18:35:51] wagnerrp: because the clock simply never stops
[18:35:57] tgm4883: is it just storage groups that don't?
[18:35:57] wagnerrp: tgm4883: as much as it ever did
[18:36:01] tgm4883: wagnerrp, ok thanks
[18:36:11] Beirdo: true, it will only go over if there's a shootout, which I think is only playoff games
[18:36:28] wagnerrp: but with the intent to move everything to storage groups, external players will likely be removed
[18:36:59] wagnerrp: or altered in some fashion to work
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[18:37:51] tgm4883: wagnerrp, ok, I was just fixing a bug in one of our apps (control centre) that required me to look up the definition of each plugin and ran across that
[18:37:58] tgm4883: just wanted to make sure I'm being accurate
[18:40:20] iamlindoro: If there's an advertisement of external player functionality, it would be nice to remove it
[18:40:36] iamlindoro: It still exists, but making it real obvious will only cause pain for those who attempt to configure it
[18:40:52] iamlindoro: since we'll be breaking things for them in the not-too-distant-future
[18:43:39] tgm4883: iamlindoro, http://www.mythtv.org/detail/mythvideo
[18:43:43] tgm4883: that needs updating then
[18:43:58] tgm4883: and probably the reference to things like youtube removed/moved to a mythnetvision page
[18:44:00] iamlindoro: It also no longer exists as a plugin, so it basically needs removing
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[18:44:31] tgm4883: iamlindoro, it no longer exists as a plugin in master ;)
[18:44:40] tgm4883: unless there was a 0.25 release i'm unaware of
[18:44:40] iamlindoro: master is all there is, baby
[18:44:49] iamlindoro: Only the strong survive
[18:45:08] tgm4883: iamlindoro, i'm going to remember you said that when I push master to all mythbuntu users
[18:45:37] iamlindoro: Then when people ask questions, I can just say "You have been voted off the island, natural selection says you can't use MythTV"
[18:46:30] tgm4883: heh, nice
[18:46:57] Beirdo: can we vote the Occupy twits off the island that is North America?
[18:47:00] iamlindoro: /join #mythtv-gtfo
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[19:16:05] dekarl: wagnerrp, Beirdo: the soccer clock doesn't stop, but you get awarded extra time for both halves (single digit minutes). The only time when soccer goes over is in knock out tourneys with 30 minutes extension (15+5+15) and the shootout
[19:16:38] Beirdo: yeah, that sounds about right :)
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[19:32:52] bumblebeebat: Wondering if anyone has tired to use an HP Mediasmart E495 as a backend. it has an E-5200 cpu, 2 gigs ram, gigabit ethernet, 3 usb and room for 4 hard drives. It comes with windows home server but it is very easy to replace it with linux. Thought this might be a nice low power backend. The cpu's are upgradable to other 65w socket 775 chips. Any thoughts?
[19:33:17] wagnerrp: what is an E-5200?
[19:33:40] wagnerrp: 775, so presumably a core2
[19:33:44] wagnerrp: what clock rate?
[19:33:47] bumblebeebat: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 2.5 GHz LGA775
[19:34:07] Beirdo: http://ark.intel.com/products/37212/Intel-Pen . . . 800-MHz-FSB)
[19:34:10] Beirdo: :)
[19:34:17] Beirdo: Wolfdale core
[19:34:23] wagnerrp: should be decent enough, except for a complete lack of room for any expansion
[19:34:41] Beirdo: that's about what my frontend was before it blew the power supply
[19:34:47] Beirdo: I had a E5300, IIRC
[19:35:07] wagnerrp: stuff like firewire and hdhomeruns work
[19:35:21] wagnerrp: but many people around here have a distaste for usb
[19:35:35] Beirdo: but yeah, my backend box is a bit more powerful.
[19:35:52] bumblebeebat: I would be stuck to HD-PVR as it is not expandable
[19:36:05] Beirdo: and HDHomerun
[19:36:11] wagnerrp: who is your tv provider?
[19:36:31] bumblebeebat: It is mts, they offer a service like fios
[19:36:47] wagnerrp: know anything about their copy protection?
[19:37:11] bumblebeebat: I think it is encrypted
[19:37:18] wagnerrp: i.e.... copy-freely, copy-once, copy-never
[19:37:37] bumblebeebat: Oh, I have never asked
[19:37:39] wagnerrp: copy protection is a flag put on the broadcast, enforced by the cable box
[19:38:27] bumblebeebat: Well it is iptv, run off of a Motorola vip1200 and vip1216
[19:39:13] wagnerrp: if its like verizon fios, then it is not iptv
[19:40:10] bumblebeebat: sorry guys uverse
[19:40:55] bumblebeebat: it would use the same system as AT&T Uverse
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[19:47:59] iamlindoro: So yes, with uVerse you're stuck with analog capture... not to mention the abysmal AT&T Picture Quality
[19:50:12] wagnerrp: well its technically not uverse, just the same system as uverse
[19:50:24] wagnerrp: potentially, he could be given better bitrates
[19:51:12] iamlindoro: If it's the same system, it's still fundamentally DSL to the user... which inherently limits how far they can go
[19:51:58] wagnerrp: well theres nothing preventing them from pumping that IP video over cable or fiber
[19:52:26] iamlindoro: besides the actually doing it;)
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[20:03:28] bumblebeebat: Yeah, the picture quality is not terrible
[20:04:08] bumblebeebat: I think they say it is a 12 to 16 mb/s for hd and 4–5 for sd
[20:04:56] bumblebeebat: Let me confirm those numbers
[20:07:39] bumblebeebat: I know this sounds kind of crazy, but I find the capture from the hd-pvr to seem better then the source. It seems smoother.
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[20:12:55] wagnerrp: i think uverse average around 6mbps for HD
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[20:30:11] bumblebeebat: All I could find is that 2 hd streams and 1 sd stream take up 16 mbps, Sounds like it might be a bit better than uverse but not much at all
[20:32:42] wagnerrp: 7/7/2 probably
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[20:35:17] bumblebeebat: Haha, I am thinking I might have jumped the gun, only time will tell, I just thought it would be nice to have all my backend gear away from the frontend
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[20:44:25] k-man: interesting comment on #9801 ;)
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[20:45:19] Beirdo: oh look, a jackass
[20:45:30] dekarl: needs to be closed with "trac is not a mailing list" ;)
[20:45:47] Beirdo: needs a "post your fix then, please"
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[20:46:57] k-man: hehe
[20:47:30] sphery: idiot
[20:48:39] k-man: it will be interesting to see if his fix lives up to the hype
[20:50:03] sphery: oh, but he can't possibly release the fix until we, the defensive-about-our-precious-project devs who minimize the presence and importance of bugs, start acting maturely and helpfully to help users"
[20:50:11] sphery: after all, that's how extortion works
[20:50:20] sphery: haven't you learned anything by watching the Anonymous idiots?
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[20:51:17] dekarl: aren't that the dudes that get taken by drug lords?
[20:51:44] sphery: we can only hope /they/ get taken out and not some innocent bystanders in their crusade
[20:51:57] sphery: I fully expect the latter to also get killed if they take on the cartel
[20:52:23] ** sphery wonders who just started hacking his computer **
[20:53:10] sphery: Anon will publish full details of partially implemented MythTV patches in retaliation for being called 'idiots'
[20:55:21] ** dekarl will show you how to make mythtv more like 0.21 with only a mythbuntu 9.04 image! **
[20:58:16] Beirdo: why do people have to be stupid?
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[21:25:00] k-man: in mythweb, can you hide channels from the listing?
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[21:32:56] sphery: make them not visible?
[21:33:04] sphery: though that affects web and frontend
[21:34:06] sphery: I don't think we have channel group support in mythweb, yet, but should
[21:34:31] k-man: sphery, yes, I was thinking more along the channel group support line
[21:34:33] sphery: k-man: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8075
[21:35:06] ** sphery might actually just put that in **
[21:35:22] k-man: thanks
[21:35:29] sphery: if you want to do some testing and provide some feedback, that would make me more comfortable about doing so
[21:35:40] sphery: should be easy enough to patch since it doesn't require recompile
[21:36:49] k-man: ok, ill have a look
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[21:38:52] k-man: hmm... it fails to patch on a few things
[21:40:16] sphery: yeah, might need some updates
[21:40:45] sphery: I may be able to try to update the patch after chasing off all the little gremlins looking to play tricks on my house
[21:42:40] k-man: ok, no hurry – I'm just trying to have a look at the patch myself to see how difficult it might be to update
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[21:43:03] k-man: my version of mythweb is pretty old anyway I think. I suppose I should update that first come to think of it
[21:43:16] sphery: not much has changed in mythweb in 0.24
[21:43:23] sphery: but couldn't hurt to update it
[21:51:12] k-man: can I just cp -a mythweb/* /var/www/mythweb?
[21:52:19] k-man: oh, nevermind, the versions are the same
[21:52:34] jpabq_: I really wish Apple would stop spamming me.
[21:52:40] k-man: oh- no they aren't
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[22:30:06] dekarl: Beirdo: shall I add to #10023 that one usual DVB-T feed results in 700mb of temporary table and a full DVB-C feed is ~5GB temp table?
[22:31:48] Beirdo: hehe
[22:32:08] Beirdo: well, I'm gonna let sphery take a good look at the changes
[22:33:22] dekarl: I just saw you move it over and noticed that I didn't add these data points to the ticket. But as everyone on irc that day seemed to be in favor of dropping the time search completely... I'll see what happens
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[22:38:41] jpabq_: 1
[22:38:50] Beirdo: 2?
[22:42:39] sphery: 4
[22:51:54] iamlindoro: a million, I win
[22:52:19] iamlindoro: ps, game over, no takebacks
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[22:56:25] awalls: Number 9
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Tuesday, November 1st, 2011
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[00:16:33] taylorr: anyone using an ION/Atom to decode HD audio such as DTS-HD or TrueHD?
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[00:26:00] jpabq: taylorr, pretty sure the ION is not capable of HBR.
[00:26:39] jpabq: The GT4xx series is supposed to be, but I have not been able to get it working with that chip, either.
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[00:35:13] taylorr: jpabq: the bitstreaming isn't supported on ION but uncompressed LPCM 7.1 is supported so I was wondering if an Atom handle decoding them
[00:35:46] taylorr: althought I don't think ffmpeg can decode DTS-HD
[00:37:01] iamlindoro: That's right, DTS core only right now... can decode TrueHD, though
[00:37:52] taylorr: what's the most common TrueHD or DTS-HD?
[00:38:08] iamlindoro: DTS-HD by a pretty fair margin I believe
[00:38:32] taylorr: that's not cool
[00:38:45] iamlindoro: Warner uses TrueHD quite a bit, they're also the ones who tend to use VC-1 a lot
[00:38:59] iamlindoro: But most other companies tend to do DTS-HD and H.264
[00:39:28] taylorr: doesn't appear software decoding for DTS-HD is going to happen anytime soon
[00:41:53] taylorr: I'd really like to know if an ION2 can bitstream DTS-HD and TrueHD
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[00:59:52] taylorr: jpabq: which also are you using with your GT4xx, also what receiver do you have?
[01:00:02] taylorr: s/also/Alsa/
[01:00:56] jpabq: ALSA .23. I have an Anthem D2v
[01:01:01] taylorr: according to the wiki a person has everything working with a GT430 and a Marantz receiver
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[01:01:21] taylorr: you using Ubuntu?
[01:01:27] jpabq: GT430. Fedora 14
[01:01:57] taylorr: ah... it's easy to update to 1.0.24 Alsa on Ubuntu
[01:02:58] jpabq: I may upgrade to Fedora 16 in a month or so.
[01:03:38] taylorr: jpabq: wow, that is a serious receiver you have :)
[01:03:46] taylorr: no wonder you want the HD audio working!
[01:04:07] jpabq: :)
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[01:05:37] jpabq: Anthem's ARC is incredible. I have played with Audyssey on other units, and it does not compare.
[01:07:24] taylorr: that's cool... I don't understand how to adjust a room for optimum performance so that would help
[01:07:59] taylorr: my new Pioneer Elite doesn't look as call anymore after seeing what you have :)
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[01:08:05] taylorr: s/call/cool/
[01:08:35] jpabq: Pioneer's Elite line is pretty darn good, though.
[01:08:57] taylorr: for the deal I got I can't complain
[01:09:15] taylorr: still waiting to get it setup... got a new sub on order too
[01:10:39] jpabq: Hmmmm Paradigm SUB2. I don't have one, just want one.
[01:11:00] taylorr: I went with a sealed sub from Emotiva
[01:11:35] jpabq: The SUB2 is like $3500
[01:11:43] taylorr: the ported subs get a little too boomy for my current situation
[01:11:54] taylorr: that's less than your amp :)
[01:12:37] jpabq: True. Don't have any money left because of that preamp
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[01:19:50] taylorr: jpabq: do you think upgrading to 1.0.24 is going to help?
[01:20:05] taylorr: does your 'eid' file report anything?
[01:20:45] taylorr: oops, 'eld'
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[01:21:45] jpabq: I have not looked at the EID, but that actually could be the problem. I use a EID snapshot with the nvidia drivers, so I can turn on my mythfrontend system before turning on my pre-amp. I took that snapshot with a GT220, and have not updated it since buying the GT430
[01:22:14] taylorr: I didn't mean EDID but the ELD file in /proc/asound
[01:22:38] taylorr: ah, so you are forcing the EDID information
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[01:22:47] taylorr: yes, that could definitely cause issues
[01:23:40] jpabq: Ah. I have not looked at the ELD
[01:24:31] taylorr: jpabq: it mentions it here -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:HDAudioPassthrough
[01:24:38] jpabq: There is no ELD file in my /proc/asound
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[01:26:16] jpabq: found it. It says my system is capable of DTS-HD. It does not mention DTS-MA, though...
[01:26:24] taylorr: hmmm, might need to upgrade to 1.0.24.... seemed like jya recommends 1.0.24 or the git version
[01:26:35] taylorr: DTS-HD is DTS-MA
[01:26:50] taylorr: it's actually called DTS-HD Master Audio
[01:27:01] iamlindoro: or rather, DTS-MA is a type of DTS-HD
[01:27:21] iamlindoro: (specifically, the lossless type, there's a lossy version too that next to nobody uses)
[01:27:51] jpabq: Yeah, I figured that DTS-MA requires more bits.
[01:28:44] taylorr: jpabq: so have you got a chance to listen to HD audio on your amp yet?
[01:30:58] jpabq: Yes. I have LOTR:Extended on blu. I don't know if it is a different audio mix than was on the dvd or not, but it definitely sounds much better.
[01:31:22] taylorr: cool... do you have a Bluray player?
[01:32:40] jpabq: I turned off the EDID snapshot, rebooted and tried Dolby True. Still no joy. My amp indicates that it is seeing Dolby True, but it cannot lock onto it — the indicated will come on for a second then go off for a few seconds — come back on for a second — repeat. I never get any sound.
[01:33:08] jpabq: Guess I could try a different cable.
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[01:45:14] styelz: samn, trid windows media center, what a peice of shit
[01:45:40] styelz: video looks like crap
[01:45:59] styelz: people pay for that?
[01:46:54] hoolio: if all you ever ate was baked beans, you might think they taste OK.
[01:48:05] styelz: hehe
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[01:50:03] hoolio: which incidentally, is why i only eat baked beans :)
[01:51:54] hoolio: FWIW i ran MCE for several years with no real issues; it did what it said it did OK. It just didn't do very much compared to myth
[01:52:05] hoolio: and it was unstable.
[01:52:19] hoolio: but myth is hardly stable either.. ;)
[01:52:23] ** hoolio ducks **
[01:53:29] sphery: myth doesn't kill stability, people do!
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[01:54:54] noisymouse: quick question – where do I go to for a flash stream once I've enabled it in mythweb
[01:55:21] sphery: recording details screen
[01:55:31] sphery: i.e. click the recording in Recording Programs
[01:56:17] sphery: and direct a couple of A/C vents toward your backend system while the processor is attempting to decode the recorded TV and re-encode it in real time ;)
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[01:57:21] noisymouse: I see – does it save a flash version for later use?
[01:57:51] sphery: nope, at this point, we don't support multiple versions of a recording
[01:58:08] sphery: so it always does the re-encoding "on demand"
[01:59:26] noisymouse: and a resource unavailable error is not just because it has encoded the flash yet right?
[01:59:56] sphery: not sure what that means
[02:00:19] noisymouse: the error?
[02:00:51] sphery: yeah, don't know what that error means
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[02:02:39] noisymouse: ok a 303 error
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[02:37:53] iamlindoro: Time to figure how how in the eff to render a program guide in UIKit
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[02:39:36] [R]: iamlindoro: is there a way with the xml thing to get just the list of conflicts?
[02:40:00] iamlindoro: xml thing? Like, the services api? Or the XML status page?
[02:40:20] [R]: services
[02:40:42] iamlindoro: No, nothing currently... but probably fairly easily added
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[02:41:34] [R]: right now im doing a --printsched and grepping with a regex to get the C
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[02:43:35] iamlindoro: Well, I suppose you can use the new GetUpcoming I added last weekend
[02:43:42] iamlindoro: with the ShowAll option
[02:43:53] iamlindoro: and check recstatus for items which are conflicts
[02:44:36] [R]: i tried that
[02:44:38] [R]: and it was huge
[02:44:42] [R]: (that's what she said)
[02:45:02] iamlindoro: It's not supposed to be grepped, you're supposed to parse the XML
[02:45:08] iamlindoro: (or JSON)
[02:45:27] [R]: yes, but its still like a 2MB xml file
[02:45:58] iamlindoro: What is it you're processing it with?
[02:46:07] iamlindoro: don'tsaybashdon'tsaybashdon'tsaybash
[02:47:01] [R]: nothing
[02:47:04] iamlindoro: 2 MB will take what, a second to DL? And maybe another second to parse in anything with a real XML parser?
[02:47:06] [R]: i was exploring my options
[02:47:12] sphery: and what are you wanting it for? I'd think adding (backend-provided) filtration/interpration of the upcoming recordings list to the GetUpcoming by allowing passing in params to say what you want could be a useful addition
[02:47:17] [R]: i would probably use php's simplexml
[02:47:30] sphery: if you just want a quick way to get your conflicts, you can use the (old, legacy, hacked) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_upcoming_recordings.pl
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[02:47:43] sphery: where that page shows a specific example of getting a list of only conflicts
[02:48:23] [R]: yeah, i have a hack now with --printsched, i want a "cool" way
[02:48:36] iamlindoro: You want to talk about a big parse... try 12 hours of XML program guide for 400 channels :)
[02:48:38] sphery: at least something to get you through until you finish the patch to let the backend filter for you
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[02:49:01] sphery: (clients shouldn't have to figure out what's a conflict and what's not--interpretation should be done by the mythtv code, IMHO)
[02:49:20] [R]: sphery: i want to be emailed in the morning if myth detects any conflicts for the day
[02:49:45] sphery: Note: This output could be e-mailed with a script called from a cron job that uses mailx/sendmail/... to send the e-mail.
[02:50:21] sphery: but myth_upcoming_recordings.pl is definitely legacy
[02:50:37] sphery: future needs to be smarter--and not use client-side interpretation/filtering
[02:50:43] [R]: Oct 31 19:48:45 mythback mythbackend[17091]: AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min
[02:50:48] [R]: that line is really annoying
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[02:52:08] sphery: then don't log at notice level?
[02:52:33] [R]: lol
[02:52:46] [R]: heres already too muc hturned off
[02:54:16] [R]: Oct 31 19:48:43 mythback mythbackend[17091]: ormat_to_mode() does not recognize V4L
[02:54:19] [R]: that one is annoying too
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[03:11:45] iamlindoro: [R]: http://git.io/1d0tlA
[03:14:40] sphery: wow, I think that took you less time than it took me to talk about how I thought it should be done
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[03:15:54] ** iamlindoro feels pretty sure he's not going to get a program guide rendered tonight **
[03:15:54] sphery: nice work
[03:16:01] iamlindoro: thanks
[03:16:09] iamlindoro: pretty simple once it occurred to me
[03:16:11] sphery: hehe, sorry about sending you off on a tangent
[03:16:30] sphery: yeah, glad you knew both the services api and the idea well enough to do it that quick
[03:16:38] [R]: iamlindoro: nice, thanks
[03:16:44] iamlindoro: I do enjoy those simple tasks, though, if only because they represent a good example to show people how to add new things
[03:17:25] [R]: looks like this hsould be easy to parse with php's simplexml
[03:17:34] [R]: is it weird that i write shell scripts in php?
[03:17:41] sphery: could even do it with bash
[03:17:52] sphery: seems a more appropriate tool for the job
[03:18:10] sphery: (bad joke... please don't think I believe this)
[03:18:10] [R]: sphery: iamlindoro almost had an anurism waiting for me to tell him if i was going to use bash or not
[03:18:22] sphery: yeah
[03:18:46] iamlindoro: Nothing wrong with bash I guess, since at least in this case you're letting myth do the work properly
[03:18:49] iamlindoro: and just consuming data
[03:18:54] iamlindoro: there are just way better things to parse with
[03:19:00] sphery: yep
[03:19:57] sphery: in other news, I've nearly finished my native bash implementation of the mythproto... it, along with my native bash implementation of mysql's tcp/ip protocol, will finally allow me to build a proper frontend replacement
[03:20:06] [R]: ROFL
[03:20:11] [R]: hey, tcp/ip in bash is pretty cool...
[03:20:12] iamlindoro: at last, freed from the tyranny of Mythfrontend
[03:20:17] sphery: yeap
[03:20:28] sphery: and everyone knows that bash has a /much/ better UI than mythfrontend
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[03:37:35] ** wagnerrp eyes sphery with a desire to bash somhing **
[03:37:42] wagnerrp: *something
[03:41:19] sphery: hehe
[03:45:35] iamlindoro: delete something;
[03:45:38] iamlindoro: something = NULL;
[03:45:43] iamlindoro: phew
[03:46:07] iamlindoro: </extremely geeky joke brought on by memory leak analysis tools>
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[04:11:01] noisymouse: ok so I'm having the problem described in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/427656 and am wondering if there will be updates to mythweb for .24 to make it work
[04:12:16] Beirdo: figuring that bug predates 0.24, doubtful
[04:12:36] noisymouse: hmm
[04:12:57] noisymouse: but isn't .24 stable?
[04:13:30] wagnerrp: stable doesnt mean 'bug free'
[04:13:40] Beirdo: what I'm saying is that that bug predates 0.24, and was deemed fixed before 0.24
[04:13:47] noisymouse: I see
[04:14:24] Beirdo: so if it's broken, it's likely broken again, and it's likely nobody knows about it
[04:14:32] Beirdo: I dunno
[04:14:47] Beirdo: that whole section is experimental code anyways
[04:14:53] noisymouse: .24-svn has date of February 16, 2008
[04:14:54] noisymouse: , but report was frin 2010
[04:14:57] noisymouse: *from
[04:15:25] Beirdo: 0.24 release was around this time last year
[04:15:41] noisymouse: I see
[04:16:05] noisymouse: well it might not be the same problem, but it sounds similar
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[04:16:26] noisymouse: basically I'm having a problem with both mythweb thumbnails and flowplayer
[04:16:46] noisymouse: any advice on fixing the thumbnail problem?
[04:18:08] Beirdo: not off-hand
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[04:19:26] noisymouse: I'm just not sure if it's a problem with my configuration or with mythweb itself
[04:21:02] noisymouse: what would be the best way to get support with this issue??
[04:23:56] Beirdo: users mailing list, maybe?
[04:25:06] Beirdo: wow, that was fun
[04:25:27] Beirdo: hmm, not shutting down cleanly. Crud.
[04:25:36] Beirdo: but at least no crashy now :)
[04:29:46] Beirdo: OK, I see....
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[04:37:25] [R]: i thought the signal montior was F9
[04:38:22] wagnerrp: 7
[04:43:45] Beirdo: ARGH!
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[04:55:43] Beirdo: dangit, ac3_decode_frame... how the BLEEP are you getting a bad frame!?
[05:00:19] iamlindoro: Heyyyyy, not half bad for an evening's work. http://www.fecitfacta.com/guide.png
[05:00:36] iamlindoro: Durations aren't reflected in widths, but that can be overcome
[05:01:50] iamlindoro: 75 minutes work
[05:03:49] Beirdo: OK, not crashy right *now* Wonder if that will stay this time
[05:04:37] Shadow__X: iamlindoro: awesome, keep up the always great work
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[05:05:00] Beirdo: iamlindoro: looks neat. No use to me personally, but cool anyways :)
[05:05:13] Shadow__X: i would have use for that
[05:05:35] iamlindoro: Shadow__X: you saw the video, right?
[05:05:44] iamlindoro: http://vimeo.com/31353793
[05:09:41] Shadow__X: no, i did not. Watching it right now. Originally i thought it was a theme for mythweb
[05:11:58] Shadow__X: i am only a minute in (comcast is having issues) but wow, I am really glad to see that type of functionality but also an application like that.
[05:12:19] Shadow__X: kudos to you
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[05:18:47] Beirdo: OK, that's it. I hate this crap.
[05:19:33] Beirdo: ffmpeg is seemingly not terribly threadsafe
[05:21:36] wagnerrp: xris: are you complaining about your own brew?
[05:22:09] xris: wagnerrp: from my brewery but not my brew specifically
[05:22:28] xris: I acquired it uncarbonated. just decided I couldn't wait for it to be completely done.
[05:22:55] wagnerrp: it came uncarbonated?
[05:23:02] xris: easier to fill the keg that way
[05:23:03] Captain_Murdoch: Beirdo, that's why we have avcodeclock
[05:23:04] wagnerrp: i thought carbonation was part of the fermentation process
[05:23:14] xris: with bottles
[05:23:33] Beirdo: Captain_Murdoch: yeah, which is not easy to use the way I'm doing this, but I guess I need to. BLECH
[05:23:49] xris: well, not part of fermentation specifically.. but you can carbonate with yeast (and stuff gets a little carbonated while it ferments, if you have closed fermentation)
[05:23:59] xris: but most breweries force-carbonate
[05:24:35] xris: bigger places have counter-pressure devices and can carbonate huge devices and fill kegs with pre-carbonated beer. but I think that stuff would cost more than our annual budget at the moment.  :)
[05:25:03] xris: "large batches in huge devices"
[05:27:59] ** wagnerrp 's beer of choice comes as a syrup **
[05:37:10] Beirdo: there.
[05:44:57] Beirdo: dangit!
[05:45:24] Beirdo: now it won't shutdown due to a deadlock in the db logging code that has been giving us no end of headaches
[05:52:38] noisymouse: so apparently my mythweb problem was that it requires furl_open = yes in php.ini
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[05:59:50] iamlindoro: Now we're talkin' http://www.fecitfacta.com/guide2.png
[05:59:50] Shadow__X: iamlindoro: i finally was able to finished watching the video. I am really liking it and cant wait to see it be released. I am curious about streaming recordings to the ipad. Presumably you would already had the recording transcoded into mpeg4 and stream that to the ipad instead of live transcoding
[06:00:17] iamlindoro: Shadow__X: Why would you want to have to wait for a transcode to complete?
[06:00:44] iamlindoro: Not to mention the iOS devices have stringent codec and container requirements that Myth doesn't currently do
[06:01:11] iamlindoro: It's not just a matter of "Be H.264," it need to be within narrow parameters and served up in a certain chunked way, too
[06:01:20] Shadow__X: live streaming can be pretty quick
[06:01:22] iamlindoro: Better to just perform the transcode on the fly
[06:01:46] Shadow__X: oh ok so you are talking about on the fly
[06:02:01] Shadow__X: sorry for the misunderstanding.
[06:03:02] wagnerrp: s/devices/applications/
[06:04:10] Shadow__X: yeah i know they are on the more stringent side. I previously tried to see what i could send to an ipod touch through on the fly transcoding and it was not working out
[06:05:37] Shadow__X: air video does a good job of on the fly transcoding so i know it can be down. They also use their own modified ffmpeg build so i know it can be done
[06:06:27] iamlindoro: who said it couldn't be done?
[06:06:33] iamlindoro: But are you going to do it?
[06:06:40] iamlindoro: and if not, then what is your point?
[06:07:37] Shadow__X: i am not actively working on it right now so i cant sa that i abos\solutely do it
[06:09:36] iamlindoro: Note that kicking off some silly ffmpeg script does not count as doing it. Doing it means building it from libav*, into the backend, and hooking it into an on-the-fly API
[06:09:43] Shadow__X: the point would be regardless of me completing it or not, i am glad its being worked on since it is a great feature to have and the community would greatly benefit
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[06:21:34] [R]: hrm lesson learned
[06:21:44] [R]: mythbackend doesnt like being shutdown while its shutdown command is running
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[07:46:37] justinh: holy crap. /etc/hosts had an entry of 127.0.1.1 for the backend's hostname
[07:47:01] justinh: that was a heck of a typo to go unnoticed for a long time
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[11:30:04] goibhniu: Hi, I'd like to use something like UnionFS so that I can extend the storage available to MythTV easily by adding new disks (and also remove failed ones easily .. which is why I'd rather not use LVM or RAID)
[11:31:02] goibhniu: It seems like aufs and mhddfs are options .. and there seems to be other UnionFS like projects too, has anyone any advice on what to go with?
[11:31:39] laga: goibhniu: use storage groups
[11:31:51] goibhniu: is that a MythTV feature?
[11:32:18] laga: yes
[11:32:21] laga: see the mythtv wiki
[11:32:34] goibhniu: awesome, thanks!
[11:32:52] goibhniu: that is perfect!
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[11:44:32] justinh: for good justice use storage groups!
[11:45:06] laga: storage groups >> unionfs
[11:48:18] goibhniu: so brilliant .. I've spent all morning reading about various problems with LVM/RAID/mhddfs/aufs etc. .. I never even thought it would be built into MythTV already!
[11:49:00] justinh: RAID? for teevees? Heh
[11:49:09] goibhniu: fun stuff to read about .. but I am so glad i don't have to deal with it :)
[11:49:54] justinh: I don't think reading about RAID or LVM is very much fun at all
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[11:53:02] goibhniu: well, I never heard of unionfs/aufs or mhddfs before ... now I have no excuse to use them, but you never know :)
[11:56:35] justinh: I'd never heard of mhddfs either. I'm in no hurry to find out :-) Hmmm filesystems . Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[11:56:50] goibhniu: heh
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[14:20:34] goibhniu: is there some way to enter text into fields in mythbrowser with a normal remote (rather than a keyboard)?
[14:21:05] wagnerrp: hitting enter on an edit box should open up an on-screen keyboard
[14:22:20] goibhniu: thanks, it doesn't seem to .. although I am only testing in a VM and don't have a remote control connected, perhaps it knows this
[14:22:36] wagnerrp: no
[14:26:15] justinh: god, if only mythtv could know it's being run within a VM
[14:26:36] justinh: I'd submit a patch to make it quit if it detected a virtual environment
[14:26:47] justinh: <<< hater
[14:28:20] goibhniu: well, I was thinking it might know if a remote control is being used instead of a keyboard/mouse :)
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[14:43:13] justinh: you can't use a mouse with mythtv. as anybody who's ever tried will attest :-)
[14:44:17] goibhniu: hmm .. but with mythbrowser?
[14:45:05] justinh: about all you can use with a mouse :)
[14:47:06] goibhniu: wagnerrp: did you mean that the on-screen keyboard pops up in general .. or also in the mythbrowser?
[14:47:15] ** goibhniu does get an on-screen keyboard elsewhere **
[14:47:25] wagnerrp: it pops up in general, i dont know if it is used in mythbrowser specifically
[14:47:32] justinh: don't reckon it is
[14:47:34] goibhniu: ah, thanks
[14:47:49] goibhniu: it's fair enough if you need a keyboard to use the browser
[14:47:53] justinh: web browsing with a remote is a bit of a MEH experience anyway IMHO
[14:48:03] justinh: or any web browsing on a TV
[14:48:26] goibhniu: the page about using firefox as a browser suggests there's a greasemonkey script which can do the job
[14:49:10] justinh: why do people want to surf the web on their TV?
[14:49:12] wagnerrp: on screen keyboards implemented using javascript?
[14:49:23] wagnerrp: next thing you know, theyll be writing video decoders in that thing
[14:50:02] _abbenormal: its nice if your watching something and see someone your not sure of who they are and be able to look them up i do this all the time
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[14:50:27] wagnerrp: _abbenormal: yes, but mythtv does not currently allow multiple contexts
[14:50:40] wagnerrp: meaning you have to exit playback to enter the browser
[14:50:53] goibhniu: wagnerrp: heh .. didn't someone do that recently?
[14:50:54] _abbenormal: i know
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[14:51:09] _abbenormal: but thats why some want to surf the net on there tv
[14:51:45] taylorr: sphery: you got any recommendations on a low-power, affordable processor for a mini-itx system?
[14:51:58] wagnerrp: just pull up the actor list from the EPG
[14:52:30] simonckenyon: my system has been broken for 5 months now (#9830/#9846). anyone got any ideas how to fix this?
[14:52:31] goibhniu: taylorr: for a backend or frontend or both?
[14:52:33] justinh: THEIR. Not 'there'
[14:52:59] wagnerrp: taylorr: you can build a (desktop class) i3 system, intel graphics, that idles under 30W
[14:53:15] wagnerrp: and costs maybe $250
[14:55:12] justinh: simonckenyon: I'd have given up on mythtv by now
[14:55:29] taylorr: wagnerrp: but at the single-core celerons suitable if I'm going to use VDPAU?
[14:55:38] justinh: don't rely on VDPAU
[14:55:46] taylorr: goibhniu: this is for a frontend-only
[14:55:50] wagnerrp: an Atom is suitable if youre going to rely on VDPAU
[14:55:54] taylorr: I do rely on VDPAU
[14:56:04] wagnerrp: but that choice is up to you
[14:56:04] justinh: lol
[14:56:24] wagnerrp: i dare say youre far more qualified than most to understand the repercussions of that choice
[14:56:26] wagnerrp: :)
[14:57:09] taylorr: I'm still waiting for someone to show me a deinterlacer that is even close to the one's available via VDPAU
[14:57:19] justinh: ONES. Not one's
[14:57:31] simonckenyon: justinh: like i said; it has been broken for 5 months – i don't use it because of this bug – trouble is i have too much invested in it (hardware/disk space/time) to just abandon it
[14:57:37] justinh: plurals don't need apostrophes
[14:57:49] justinh: simonckenyon: or don't use livetv :)
[14:58:13] wagnerrp: taylorr: software decoding with the VDPAU renderer?
[14:58:47] justinh: I can't really fault yadif 2x to be honest
[14:59:02] taylorr: that's fine as long as the PCIe isn't 1x
[14:59:10] simonckenyon: justinh: it is one of the use-cases for mythtv which i happen to like
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[14:59:35] justinh: I wouldn't be able to put up with all the lag
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[15:07:48] taylorr: can anyone confirm that the ION2 (next-generation ION) supports DTS-HD and TrueHD bitstreaming?
[15:08:16] justinh: very much depends on the individual hardware doesn't it?
[15:08:44] taylorr: I saw where JYA said it did but a large majority of windows users claim it doesn't do to the GT218 GPU not supporting PAP (Protected Audio Path)
[15:09:13] taylorr: yes, it is hardware dependent (that's why I asked about ION2 specifically)
[15:09:16] justinh: that'd make little difference to linux users
[15:09:49] taylorr: well I'm just wondering if the PAP restriction is artificial or not
[15:10:33] justinh: in software you mean? more than likely
[15:10:50] taylorr: I have no idea... that's why I am asking
[15:10:59] justinh: google might know
[15:11:18] wagnerrp: i would expect PAP is artificial for windows only
[15:11:25] taylorr: you don't think that I've googled it.... there is so much misinformation out there it's not funny
[15:11:35] justinh: HDCP is pretty much Windows only :)
[15:11:38] simonckenyon: does nobody (apart from me) use live-tv?
[15:11:51] justinh: simonckenyon: why would I? it's awful
[15:11:55] taylorr: you are the only one in existence AFAIK
[15:12:09] taylorr: just joking... I use live-tv
[15:12:20] justinh: if we want to watch anything live for whatever reason, we watch it live. not through mythtv
[15:12:22] iamlindoro: It's not relevant whether anyone else uses it-- it's only relevant whether anyone who can fix your issue does-- and the answer to that is likely "no"
[15:12:47] iamlindoro: since the heaviest live TV use amongst the devs is occasional testing or non-critical use
[15:13:06] iamlindoro: You could always dig in and fix it
[15:13:35] taylorr: iamlindoro: do you have any understanding of PAP (Protective Audio Path) and if it matters to linux or not?
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[15:13:37] simonckenyon: danial broke it 5 months ago – if he can't fix it what chance do i have
[15:13:56] taylorr: simonckenyon: is there a ticket?
[15:14:09] iamlindoro: taylorr: I don't believe it's relevant to linux at all
[15:14:17] justinh: taylorr: the player software goes looking for a key exchange. therefore it'll likely be windows only
[15:14:23] simonckenyon: #9830 and/or #9846
[15:14:28] justinh: just like HDCP
[15:15:27] justinh: well, windows only on PCs. everything else like hardware, consoles etc.. will obey restrictions
[15:16:28] taylorr: simonckenyon: I no longer use SD capture cards so it's hard for me to help
[15:16:47] taylorr: if I can't reproduce it then debugging it is a nightmare
[15:17:22] taylorr: simonckenyon: does it appear that it's related to a timeout? just asking because you can sometimes extend the timeout and it helps
[15:17:36] simonckenyon: i only use one to capture the output from my set top box (sky uk). i would gladly replace
[15:17:43] justinh: do analogue cards have timeouts?
[15:17:57] justinh: AFAIK the only configurable timeouts are for DVB tuners
[15:17:59] taylorr: I'd recommend an HD-PVR but the ones I have make me mad sometimes
[15:18:18] taylorr: I'm talking about timeouts in the code on the player side
[15:18:56] simonckenyon: i will follow the timeout line of enquiry tonight
[15:19:13] simonckenyon: anyone use an HD-PVR with a sky STB?
[15:19:27] justinh: ouch. expensive
[15:19:52] justinh: is there any point? £250 for a SDTV capture device – since you can't grab component from a Sky box
[15:20:19] justinh: you'd have to be beyond desperate IMHO
[15:20:27] simonckenyon: i have to do something
[15:20:58] justinh: hmmm. wonder if the HD-PVR can do RGB capture. that might swing it
[15:21:57] wagnerrp: even if the chip itself could, the firmware isnt set up for it
[15:22:06] wagnerrp: you need something like an HDFury
[15:22:19] wagnerrp: (for digital)
[15:22:21] justinh: wagnerrp: no I mean SDTV RGB capture
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[15:22:30] wagnerrp: or some kind of scan converter for analog
[15:22:44] justinh: it has component, so why not just kick a register bit & go RGB too?
[15:23:14] wagnerrp: well you would have to do a colorspace transform inside the hardware
[15:23:38] wagnerrp: h264 is only designed for use with the YUV colorspace
[15:23:39] justinh: would you? its video decoder chip can probably do it
[15:23:40] simonckenyon: or i could just get my pvr350 to work
[15:23:58] simonckenyon: hd-fury looks kind of dodgy
[15:24:02] justinh: wagnerrp: really? that'd be the clincher then
[15:24:30] wagnerrp: are you talking about SCART RGB?
[15:24:32] justinh: although maybe the chip can already do it & hauppauge just left it out
[15:24:35] justinh: wagnerrp: yes
[15:24:43] wagnerrp: is that just a VGA signal?
[15:24:46] justinh: no
[15:24:57] justinh: it
[15:24:59] justinh: duh
[15:25:12] wagnerrp: use your words justinh
[15:25:12] justinh: it's kind of like component, only red green & blue, not difference signals
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[15:27:51] justinh: haha yes the ADV7401 supports RGB
[15:28:54] wagnerrp: so now someone is complaining that were complaining about CBS on the mailing list, rather than answering his questions
[15:29:42] justinh: simonckenyon: mythbackend was waiting like 10 seconds to open a ringbuffer file?!
[15:30:08] wagnerrp: looking back through my mailing list archives, sphery answered a question about database issues (run the optimization tool), i answered a question about HDHR sharing (cant do it), and lawrence rust answered one about acpi wakeu
[15:30:08] wagnerrp: p
[15:30:40] wagnerrp: all of his questions were answered, just perhaps not with the answer he wanted
[15:31:03] simonckenyon: justinh: so it looks like a bug – no?
[15:31:53] justinh: simonckenyon: more worthwhile running it with -v record
[15:32:19] simonckenyon: justinh: will do so tonight and post logs to ticket
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[15:35:00] justinh: looks like there's other stuff going wrong in there too
[15:35:05] justinh: like you need to rescan for one
[15:35:19] justinh: for another, errors about frequencies being out of range.. whoops
[15:36:12] simonckenyon: oh i know i need to rescan. trouble is i will lose all my work on setting up all the channels – the freq out of range has always been an issue for myth
[15:36:57] justinh: having to rescan is a total PITA
[15:37:21] justinh: I pretty much know what I'm doing & I fear the scanner
[15:38:06] justinh: simonckenyon: anyway what makes you say daniel broke it?
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[15:38:54] justinh: cos like you say, if he doesn't know what's up.. most people stand no chance of being able to help
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[15:39:53] simonckenyon: justinh: because it broke after he did a big checkin in this area – the big recorder rewrite
[15:40:51] justinh: heh. I think I'd already have gone back to 0.24
[15:41:39] justinh: it was touch & go for a while when I was seeing very frequent backend deadlocks
[15:42:59] simonckenyon: justinh: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9b22460f5 et al.
[15:43:11] simonckenyon: justinh: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9b22460f5 etc.
[15:43:25] simonckenyon: finger trouble
[15:43:29] justinh: I hate github URLs
[15:44:08] justinh: wow. slow today or what?
[15:44:14] simonckenyon: it was the merge of the rec2 rewrite
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[15:44:44] simonckenyon: well that is my theory
[15:45:05] justinh: oof. that's a pretty big changeset
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[16:18:15] sphery: wagnerrp: should we send answers that he likely wanted, now, just to appease him?
[16:21:17] wagnerrp: he never did respond as to whether that database script solved his problem
[16:25:44] sphery: hehe, yeah, I'll include that in my reply
[16:27:21] veehexx_: are there any known issues with mythbuntu 11.04 64bit and myth 0.24? (i;d of though if they were known, they'd be fixed :P)
[16:27:34] wagnerrp: i mean the HDHomeRun, you simply cant do what he wants, end of story
[16:27:44] tgm4883: veehexx_, I know of none
[16:27:47] sphery: wagnerrp: ah, yeah, your answer was bad--in a completely separate/broken thread, he replied, "Nuh, uh!"  – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/493806#493806
[16:27:55] wagnerrp: the database issue, he never said that didnt fix it, so there was no reason to continue the thread
[16:28:08] sphery: and how in the world can you argue with "Nuh, uh!"
[16:28:21] wagnerrp: and the APCI power off, i bet all of a couple percent of mythtv users shut down their primary backend
[16:28:24] tgm4883: sphery, "yea huh!"
[16:28:28] sphery: if 0.21 did it, then 0.24 should!!!
[16:28:37] sphery: How to make 0.24 more like 0.21?
[16:28:42] veehexx_: tgm4883 – ok. atleast i know things SHOULD be ok :) not quite at the point i need help, but almost there :(
[16:28:57] wagnerrp: the only thing left was the playback profile stuff back in may
[16:29:01] tgm4883: sphery, how about just installing 0.21?
[16:29:05] sphery: tgm4883: hehe, I stand corrected... That's a cleverly crafted response that completely nullifies his "Nuh, uh!"
[16:29:10] wagnerrp: where in the first post, he came to the solution that he should be running slim
[16:29:16] wagnerrp: there was no need for further discussion
[16:29:37] tgm4883: I'm clearly missing this thread
[16:29:55] wagnerrp: 'CBS rant' in response to 'CBS sucks'
[16:30:07] veehexx_: i've just not read that thread (or the CBS one..)
[16:30:27] tgm4883: hmm, I should possibly subscribe to mythtv-users and not just filter for mythbuntu/ubuntu?
[16:30:32] wagnerrp: complaining that people are so caught up in a pointless complaint over CBS delaying programming because of sports overruns, while not paying attention to his technical problems
[16:31:22] tgm4883: isn't delaying programming a good thing?
[16:31:45] tgm4883: I'm assuming the alternative is having the sports program going over half the show
[16:32:41] sphery: the biggest problem is that it messes with the schedule for the remainder of the evening
[16:32:56] sphery: so you have the following shows starting anywhere from a minute to 60+ minutes lates
[16:32:58] wagnerrp: tgm4883: right, 'we now return to the in-progress show'
[16:33:14] tgm4883: sphery, true
[16:33:31] sphery: I don't mind the "return to our regularly-scheduled programming, already in progress" when the show that's cut off is one I don't watch...  ;)
[16:33:32] tgm4883: wagnerrp, is the show usually rebroadcast later in it's entirety?
[16:33:50] sphery: most times, yes--unless it's an "unimportant" show
[16:33:59] wagnerrp: on the broadcast networks? sometimes, sometimes not
[16:34:02] sphery: but unless you notice that yours got bumped and delete + allow re-record...
[16:34:07] tgm4883: sphery, usually another day? or early in the morning?
[16:34:23] wagnerrp: you may have to wait until after the season is over, or perhaps a couple week gap in programming, to get a rerun
[16:34:24] tgm4883: sphery, yea I guess that could be a problem
[16:34:39] wagnerrp: cable? they run those things several times a week
[16:34:46] wagnerrp: but then cable stations generally dont get sports
[16:34:54] sphery: could show people how to do a secondary rule that records the same show at low priority without dup matching
[16:34:58] wagnerrp: TNT gets basketball, but that rarely overruns
[16:35:17] sphery: seems csi: miami doesn't get reruns when delayed
[16:35:28] sphery: maybe they only rerun when it's cut off
[16:35:44] wagnerrp: not explicitly, but CBS usually reruns most of the season during the off season
[16:35:46] sphery: (though, when watching at my schedule, you'll get the reruns in the summer...)
[16:35:51] sphery: yep
[16:36:02] tgm4883: need some sort of notification that says "your scheduled recording was preceded by a sports program, perhaps you should check if it was overrun"
[16:36:20] sphery: shouldn't mythtv just notice and fix it automatically
[16:36:25] wagnerrp: tgm4883: but then you have to be around to fix things manually
[16:36:29] sphery: we could crowd-source it
[16:36:33] tgm4883: sphery, isn't there a setting for that?
[16:36:38] tgm4883: ;)
[16:36:42] sphery: so that people upload a list of shows that all mythtv boxes should delete automatically
[16:36:50] wagnerrp: tgm4883: no, but there _is_ an app for that
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[16:36:56] tgm4883: wagnerrp, well you could have it in some "events" list somewhere
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[16:37:26] sphery: IMHO, the problem is already solved... just put sufficient padding on all following recordings
[16:37:36] tgm4883: you wouldn't need to be around when it happened, just have some sort of notifiation
[16:37:39] sphery: if you don't have sufficient tuners, Hauppauage makes some really great ones for great prices
[16:37:48] sphery: (speaking of which... maybe my 2250 will arrive today!)
[16:37:53] tgm4883: sphery, I don't think I like that solution
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[16:38:00] wagnerrp: sphery: how inefficient would a power rule that drew on other recording rules be?
[16:38:10] sphery: wagnerrp: how so?
[16:38:26] tgm4883: sphery, unless you want to implement overlapping recordings when they exist on the same channel for things like HDPVR
[16:38:30] wagnerrp: i.e. scan for shows set to record after sports events
[16:39:01] wagnerrp: check it has a higher priority, so it overrides the normal rule for that show
[16:39:03] sphery: wouldn't that be more of a custom rule that drew on prior listings?
[16:39:40] wagnerrp: i mean, lets say youre recording something sunday night after a football game
[16:39:51] wagnerrp: this rule would in effect, implement every recording rule you had a second time
[16:40:03] sphery: tgm4883: yeah, I admit that it gets more expensive for people using hd-pvr--but that's the problem with cable TV in general... It's not meant to be inexpensive
[16:40:03] tgm4883: wagnerrp, I like that idea
[16:40:06] wagnerrp: check if any of them are within a couple hours of a sports event
[16:40:21] wagnerrp: and then record the same show, at a higher priority, with padding
[16:40:38] sphery: yeah, that would be doable
[16:40:44] tgm4883: wagnerrp, would scheduling necessarily have that info?
[16:40:57] tgm4883: I'm unsure how much in advance that sort of scheduling needs
[16:41:00] sphery: it's just the automated version of "just put sufficient padding on all following recordings"
[16:41:16] wagnerrp: tgm4883: you would just search for anything with the category 'sports'
[16:41:19] veehexx_: im struggling to see what thics CBS issue is? afaik the only way mythtv can know whats on is via EIT/xmltv data. if that doesnt get updated, hows does mythtv know if a show is overrunning?
[16:41:25] wagnerrp: maybe filter it for anything 3hrs or longer
[16:41:32] wagnerrp: veehexx_: no, it doesnt get updated
[16:41:34] tgm4883: eg. the network sees the show has been overrun by a sporting event then decides to rebroadcast the show in the early morning
[16:41:43] tgm4883: I've seen the locals do that before
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[16:42:48] tgm4883: if that happens days in advance, then your method is fine. But if it's someone flipping a switch that says "rebroadcast this because it was overrun" I don't see getting much advance notification of that
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[16:43:15] tgm4883: notably, I'm thinking about when they run the CC looking message saying it will be rebroadcast. I think NBC has done that in the past
[16:43:30] tgm4883: err, looks more like a ticker than CC
[16:43:56] wagnerrp: mythtv would have to be recording that channel at that time to capture and process the CC data
[16:44:11] tgm4883: well I don't think it's CC data actually
[16:44:15] tgm4883: could be though
[16:44:17] wagnerrp: similarly with EIT, you would need to have a tuner actively tuned to it to pick up the new PSIP data
[16:45:00] tgm4883: wagnerrp, well it would be though, since you have the show scheduled to record
[16:45:18] tgm4883: I've seen it toward the end of basketball games
[16:45:39] tgm4883: <show> will be rebroadcast tomorrow at XX:XX
[16:45:58] tgm4883: but unless they have a way of turning on CC so I have to see it, it's not CC data
[16:47:23] tgm4883: crowd sourcing may not work either, as you are likely dealing with smaller segments
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[16:48:45] taylorr: simonckenyon: you've probably already done this but make sure your clocks are synchronized
[16:49:20] sphery: and with eit, you'd need the networks to actually update it, the rebroadcaster to actually pass it, and the code to actually notice it and then decide how to adjust things for all remaining programs until some reasonable period passes
[16:49:39] sphery: oh, and you'd have to hope that it's more accurate than their typical EIT garbage
[16:49:40] simonckenyon: taylorr: i have them all using NTP. all hell breaks loose if they are not.
[16:49:57] sphery: (the clock on my local stations varies by >15 minutes across channels)
[16:50:08] sphery: if they can't even get the current time right...
[16:50:31] tgm4883: well with many of the sports programs I'm thinking of, doesn't that come from the rebroadcaster?
[16:50:47] tgm4883: I don't really know how far up the chain of NBC it goes to broadcast blazer games

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