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| [00:31:31] | biffhero: | ok, I'm back, I was out watching the SF / Green Bay game at a friend's house. Let's see what I learned while I was there. |
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| [00:31:50] | mattwj2002: | football sucks? |
| [00:31:54] | biffhero: | heh! |
| [00:32:05] | biffhero: | It's not soccer, but it's still some fun times. |
| [00:32:16] | biffhero: | 1. I might not be able to watch the regular PVR-250 channel because of this. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10732 |
| [00:32:46] | biffhero: | 2. I still know nothing about HDHR, but I am at least can work on myth while the sunday night game is going on. |
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| [00:33:59] | mattwj2002: | biffhero: if it helps at all.... |
| [00:34:05] | mattwj2002: | I am originally from Wisconsin |
| [00:34:05] | biffhero: | Because of #1, I'm going to upgrade my server and front-end to ubuntu 13.04, that might fix the recording issue. Downloads are happening now... |
| [00:34:05] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [00:34:11] | biffhero: | but if you have an idea... |
| [00:34:11] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [00:34:28] | biffhero: | Ohh, from WI and not a GB fan? |
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| [00:37:28] | biffhero: | I have these stinking B sized recordings of HDHR. |
| [00:38:37] | skd5aner: | biffhero: what's the issue with #10732? why do you think that'd impact you? |
| [00:40:51] | skd5aner: | 0.25 is very old now... |
| [00:41:07] | skd5aner: | in fact, 0.27 will be released in about a week, and will be released as part of 13.10 |
| [00:41:19] | biffhero: | skd5aner: cable —> cable box —> hauppauge pvr-250 . I can record from my analog (SD) channels, all except one of them. |
| [00:41:39] | skd5aner: | one channel? |
| [00:41:41] | biffhero: | The one (that I know I can't record from) is one with football games on it, and I also can't record from it via HDHR. |
| [00:41:42] | biffhero: | Yeah. |
| [00:41:48] | skd5aner: | why is that? |
| [00:41:53] | biffhero: | I get an error, let me look it up. |
| [00:41:56] | skd5aner: | I mean, what's unique about that channel |
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| [00:42:32] | biffhero: | Sep 8 15:24:14 freezer mythbackend[1827]: E DeviceReadBuffer DeviceReadBuffer.cpp:513 (Poll) DevRdB(/dev/video0): Poll |
| [00:42:32] | biffhero: | giving up 2 |
| [00:42:35] | biffhero: | Oh, I don't know. |
| [00:42:46] | biffhero: | I think the signal might be just low enough that myth can't get a lock. |
| [00:43:34] | biffhero: | so I "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop ; sleep 15 ; rmmod -f ivtv ; modprobe ivtv ; /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start" today and I was OK. |
| [00:43:48] | biffhero: | I agree that .25 is old, that's why I was going to head on up to .26 tonight. |
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| [00:44:04] | biffhero: | It will be good practice for .27 in a month or so. |
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| [00:46:35] | biffhero: | I tried the ionice command mentioned in that bug, but it didn't help. Then I re-inserted the module, and that seemed to help. At least a recording worked via both "cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpeg" and vie mythweb. I have a 346MB file instead of the "B" sized files. |
| [00:48:50] | mattwj2002: | as far as bios goes |
| [00:49:02] | mattwj2002: | are there any physical limits for drives? |
| [00:49:09] | biffhero: | I am knocking on wood that my problem is the patch "Treat POLLHUP as EOF not an error, fixes IVTV (PVR-) recorders failing." |
| [00:50:02] | biffhero: | I am not having any BIOS drive limit problems. All of my storage is doing fine. |
| [00:52:13] | mattwj2002: | I wonder if you could put multiple 2 TB+ drives in a HP Proliant DL380 |
| [00:52:29] | mattwj2002: | oh crap |
| [00:52:31] | mattwj2002: | scsi |
| [00:52:32] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [00:53:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | any suggestions on recovering a disk when dd fails due to i/o errors ? |
| [00:57:46] | biffhero: | there's an utility out there which will try to recover, trying successively smaller and smaller sections until it gets all the disk. I forgot what it was. |
| [01:01:55] | biffhero: | Hydr0p0nX: there are a lot of apps, get ready to start reading. |
| [01:02:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | oh i know |
| [01:03:09] | biffhero: | I think I found them. http://www.debianadmin.com/recover-data-from- . . . drescue.html and http://www.debianadmin.com/recover-data-from- . . . d_rhelp.html and http://www.debianadmin.com/backup-and-restore . . . rtimage.html |
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| [01:15:52] | Hydr0p0nX: | it's ext4 |
| [01:16:35] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm hoping that fragmentation isn't so bad after an install that i'd be using a block near the middle of the disk |
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| [01:16:51] | Hydr0p0nX: | especially with fragmentation being reported at 0.2% |
| [01:17:07] | Hydr0p0nX: | and, fsck -f reports all clear |
| [01:26:54] | biffhero: | maybe you can dd it to a new file on a new disk, mount that image, and get your data off of it. |
| [01:27:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | it's only a two day old install |
| [01:27:40] | Hydr0p0nX: | not a huge loss |
| [01:28:04] | Hydr0p0nX: | didn't realise the disk was as bad as it is until earlier today |
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| [01:45:14] | biffhero: | oh, yeah, I'd just try to get /etc off of it, and then put in a new disk. |
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| [01:50:03] | Hydr0p0nX: | well, the fun part is I fully patched it and had to load about 15 new apps to compile the driver for my TA |
| [01:57:25] | biffhero: | TA? |
| [01:57:41] | biffhero: | the good news is that you have all of those commands in your history. |
| [01:57:45] | biffhero: | history > /tmp/foo.txt |
| [01:58:03] | Hydr0p0nX: | even better, i documented most of it |
| [01:58:05] | Hydr0p0nX: | lol |
| [01:58:09] | biffhero: | even better |
| [01:58:36] | biffhero: | What is a TA? |
| [01:59:00] | wagnerrp: | teacher's assistant? |
| [01:59:10] | biffhero: | Terminal Adaptor. |
| [01:59:19] | Hydr0p0nX: | tuning adapter |
| [01:59:23] | biffhero: | I know what TnA is, but I don't think you compile drivers for TnA |
| [01:59:38] | Hydr0p0nX: | cable company gave it to me w/ my cable card |
| [02:00:11] | wagnerrp: | so you have SDV? |
| [02:00:34] | Hydr0p0nX: | it appears to depend on who i ask |
| [02:00:41] | Hydr0p0nX: | if I call charter and ask, I don't |
| [02:01:01] | Hydr0p0nX: | but when I picked up the card, I was told they had to hand them out with all cable cards |
| [02:01:29] | Hydr0p0nX: | and my hvr would only pick up about 10 channels |
| [02:01:49] | Hydr0p0nX: | so based on what i've seen, i lean towards yes |
| [02:08:29] | biffhero: | so you have cable —> TA —> computer? |
| [02:12:58] | wagnerrp: | the TA and tuner are both independently connected to the cable |
| [02:13:16] | wagnerrp: | the TA basically exists to communicate to the headend and tell the headend what channel you want to watch |
| [02:13:31] | wagnerrp: | because the tuner itself is not capable of the kind of 2-way communication needed for switched digital video |
| [02:13:45] | wagnerrp: | in SDV, channels are only broadcast when a user actually wants to watch them |
| [02:14:44] | wagnerrp: | it's a more efficient network, at the cost of complexity, and compatibility with standard hardware |
| [02:19:49] | Hydr0p0nX: | yep |
| [02:19:58] | Hydr0p0nX: | more channels using less bandwith |
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| [02:23:25] | biffhero: | So your PC will tell the TA, "Gimme that Oxygen!", and the TA will tell the headend, "We got an Oprah watcher over here, give us the good stuff", and then when that comes at your tuner, your tuner will be all hanging out on "channel 3" all the time, getting what's coming to it. |
| [02:23:51] | biffhero: | sort of how we used to hook up our VCR to always kick out the crack on channel 3. |
| [02:24:50] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [02:25:39] | biffhero: | Heh. |
| [02:25:57] | biffhero: | Are you saying that my anthropomorphism of the TA and the headend didn't make things more clear? |
| [02:26:26] | wagnerrp: | too low drug content in my system to understand that |
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| [02:27:36] | biffhero: | Here's my hope. I suppose they won't do it, but it would be nice to be able to use the other frequencies that aren't being used (because no one is asking for TV shows on them right now) to dynamically hand us more bandwidth for our IP habit |
| [02:29:34] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, come prime time when lots of people are watching lots of different channels, the available throughput on your broadcast domain goes down the toilet |
| [02:29:43] | biffhero: | yep. |
| [02:30:03] | biffhero: | that's when I go over to my neighbor and say, "Hey, I hear American Idol is a great show…" because I want to IRC more. |
| [02:30:24] | biffhero: | It would be nice to set up the set top boxes with bittorrent and pre-seeds of TV shows. |
| [02:30:34] | biffhero: | there's at least 5 patents in that idea. |
| [02:31:08] | wagnerrp: | i recall someone wanting to do specifically that, using spare overnight bandwidth on the broadcast channels |
| [02:31:27] | biffhero: | So the only thing that ever goes out the headend would be live TV. Everything else would be cached in my/your/our houses, so that when my son wants to watch Star Trek, he gets it from you. |
| [02:31:43] | biffhero: | yeah, overnight bandwidth would rock, too. |
| [02:32:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean stations like PBS that shut down channels overnight, use that to broadcast preload content to an STB |
| [02:32:33] | biffhero: | great idea. |
| [02:33:48] | wagnerrp: | i remember reading some article about the plan like five years ago, nothing ever happened with it |
| [02:34:59] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAH |
| [02:35:29] | wagnerrp: | a 107-yr old Arkansas man died earlier today |
| [02:35:46] | wagnerrp: | he was gunned down at his home during a shootout with SWAT |
| [02:36:27] | DonkeyHotei: | and that's funny? |
| [02:36:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah. normally you would expect illness or disease |
| [02:36:57] | wagnerrp: | not a gunfight |
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| [02:38:01] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [02:38:15] | mattwj2002: | well I did some talking over at #ubuntu-server |
| [02:38:37] | mattwj2002: | I am thinking about creating a 4 X 2TB Raid 10 setup for my mythtv box |
| [02:38:45] | mattwj2002: | after my birthday money comes in |
| [02:38:46] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:39:49] | wagnerrp: | is this just for mythtv content, or are you going to store other things on there? |
| [02:40:25] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: probably just mythtv |
| [02:40:47] | wagnerrp: | then you would be better off with just a pair of RAID1 mirrors, and not bother with striping |
| [02:41:47] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: you wagnerrp |
| [02:41:50] | biffhero: | I have given up on RAID of all types. HW Raid, 3ware killed me. SW raid, linux software killed me. I think the answer now is multiple drives, rsnapshot |
| [02:42:05] | mattwj2002: | I I was thinking of just having four drives in teh machine |
| [02:42:14] | wagnerrp: | areca never did me wrong |
| [02:42:17] | mattwj2002: | and 4 different directories for all the stuff |
| [02:42:33] | mattwj2002: | and have mythtv spread it out |
| [02:43:19] | biffhero: | I hate to say it, but the best storage I have personal experience with is Dell RAID controllers. I wish that linux software RAID hadn't treated me like it did. |
| [02:43:33] | wagnerrp: | PERC controllers |
| [02:43:34] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [02:43:59] | mattwj2002: | biffhero: how did it treat ya? |
| [02:44:37] | mattwj2002: | if I had the money and time..... |
| [02:44:53] | mattwj2002: | I would build myself a petabox for my personal tv collection |
| [02:45:13] | mattwj2002: | I would have to upgrade from basic cable of course |
| [02:45:13] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:46:45] | biffhero: | yeah, their PERC controllers |
| [02:47:05] | biffhero: | mattwj2002: I lost a lot of TV / Movies / music due to linux software raid. |
| [02:47:23] | wagnerrp: | i lost my array a few weeks after i bought the areca controller |
| [02:47:32] | wagnerrp: | but that was out of my own stupidity, so i can't fault them for that |
| [02:47:45] | biffhero: | It threw an error, degraded the array, and when I tried to add a different drive back in and re-create things, it said, "oops, my bad, this _other_ disk is bad, too." |
| [02:47:58] | biffhero: | I can't find any errors on either of them. It just wouldn't add them back to the arrays. |
| [02:48:22] | biffhero: | So now it's JBOD and copy scripts from now on. |
| [02:49:14] | wagnerrp: | the only problem i've had with ZFS is i have a logical partition that i cannot use |
| [02:49:26] | wagnerrp: | i bought a memory upgrade, and one of the sticks was bad |
| [02:49:36] | mattwj2002: | ZFS? |
| [02:49:40] | mattwj2002: | I have heard of it |
| [02:49:42] | mattwj2002: | what is it? |
| [02:49:49] | wagnerrp: | somehow, it ended up corrupting some of the metadata on that partition, so if i attempt to do anything with it, it panics |
| [02:50:03] | wagnerrp: | a filesystem and volume manager |
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| [02:51:19] | wagnerrp: | since it merges the two, it bypasses many of the limitations of traditional RAID |
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| [02:52:44] | wagnerrp: | for example, if you are running RAID5 or RAID6 and perform a write that does not exactly align with the stripe boundary, you have to read out the whole stripe, compute parity, and write it all back |
| [02:53:04] | wagnerrp: | zfs just dynamically changes the size of the stripe so writes are always aligned |
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| [02:54:34] | Hydr0p0nX: | welp |
| [02:54:55] | Hydr0p0nX: | in the last 25% of the dd and "only" 5 bad blocks, all in the same sector |
| [02:58:51] | biffhero: | awesome |
| [02:59:51] | biffhero: | I'm kind of surprised that SMART didn't fix that for you. |
| [03:00:29] | biffhero: | happiness is stealing gummy bears from your 15 year old son |
| [03:01:01] | Hydr0p0nX: | from a fs standpoint, it may have, but, dd works at the device level |
| [03:01:48] | biffhero: | Also, I'd not be surprised if SMART was fixing all sorts of things under the hood. Do you have smart-utils installed to query the drive firmware? |
| [03:02:05] | Hydr0p0nX: | hdparm |
| [03:02:13] | Hydr0p0nX: | but not smartutils explicitly |
| [03:02:36] | wagnerrp: | bah... been trying to figure out why this thing wouldn't boot off the microsd card |
| [03:02:42] | wagnerrp: | and here the card had been ejected |
| [03:02:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | how long have you been working on it? |
| [03:03:04] | wagnerrp: | me? |
| [03:03:18] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea |
| [03:03:38] | wagnerrp: | about two minutes now, maybe another minute or two earlier today |
| [03:03:57] | Hydr0p0nX: | at least it wasn't hours :) |
| [03:04:15] | biffhero: | yeah, that's nice. |
| [03:04:49] | wagnerrp: | well there's no video, so the only way i have any clue what it's doing is from a quartet of blinking lights on the board |
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| [03:05:03] | wagnerrp: | and i can only stare at those for a very finite amount of time before giving up and doing something else |
| [03:05:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | understandably |
| [03:05:38] | biffhero: | What's the device? |
| [03:05:43] | wagnerrp: | beaglebone |
| [03:06:05] | biffhero: | Well, look at that. I can record from the SD channel 3 after a reboot. Let's try some of the hdhr channel 3s. |
| [03:06:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm off to shave |
| [03:06:20] | Hydr0p0nX: | long over due |
| [03:06:29] | wagnerrp: | at night? |
| [03:08:07] | biffhero: | I haven't shaved since July 1 (ish) |
| [03:10:05] | wagnerrp: | yes laptop, you're not connected to your domain, but timeout already and let me log in... |
| [03:11:29] | biffhero: | oh, yeah, I hate that crap. you should be able to ctrl-alt-xxx to do something like that. |
| [03:11:39] | biffhero: | So I can record channel 3 SD now... |
| [03:12:08] | biffhero: | that channel scan last night was lots of fun. :-) |
| [03:12:43] | biffhero: | do you know how the HDHR works? |
| [03:12:59] | biffhero: | by that, I mean, "Why can I sometimes record 4 things, but some other times only 2?" |
| [03:13:12] | biffhero: | I presume that the answer is that 2.1 and 2.2 are on the same tuner. |
| [03:14:01] | wagnerrp: | you only have the one physical HDHR? |
| [03:14:27] | biffhero: | yes |
| [03:14:42] | wagnerrp: | then yes, you only have two physical tuners |
| [03:14:55] | wagnerrp: | you can record additional shows if they happen to fall on the same multiplex as one you are already recording |
| [03:15:16] | biffhero: | If I choose 2.1, 2.2 as well as 7.1 and 7.2, all four recordings come in at one time. |
| [03:15:26] | biffhero: | ok, that's what I was thinking. |
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| [03:15:47] | wagnerrp: | gah!!! |
| [03:15:51] | wagnerrp: | stupid init file |
| [03:16:00] | wagnerrp: | why do you keep getting overwritten by a broken version |
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| [03:18:07] | biffhero: | what's the difference in the two versions? |
| [03:18:20] | wagnerrp: | it uses some old syntax for modprobe that no longer works |
| [03:18:48] | biffhero: | beaglebone. for myth front ends? |
| [03:18:59] | wagnerrp: | hell no |
| [03:19:09] | wagnerrp: | for a bluetooth asterisk connector |
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| [03:21:26] | biffhero: | I can't parse those words. You talk into the a BT headset, it connects to the beaglebone, and it does ethernet or wifi to the asterisk? |
| [03:21:55] | wagnerrp: | it has a bluetooth dongle, it connects to cellphones, and links them as outbound channels in asterisk |
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| [03:22:21] | wagnerrp: | so i can sit my cell phone on my desk near this thing, and receive calls on it using the cordless phones anywhere in the house |
| [03:22:25] | wagnerrp: | (in theory) |
| [03:23:53] | biffhero: | Ah, so the cell phone feeds the asterisk system, and the cordless phones are the local extensions. |
| [03:24:04] | wagnerrp: | (in theory) |
| [03:24:16] | mattwj2002: | I still thinking rpi is a good xmbc interface for a mythtv backend |
| [03:24:41] | wagnerrp: | i'm still thinking i've never personally owned a computer as weak as an RPi |
| [03:25:10] | biffhero: | I have a friend who uses rpi for xbmc in to his TVs. At least two of them, maybe more. |
| [03:25:27] | biffhero: | He adds two heat sinks. I'm still a skeptic. |
| [03:25:49] | wagnerrp: | at least this beaglebone is comparable to a halfway decent P3 |
| [03:26:14] | wagnerrp: | heatsinks? |
| [03:26:15] | biffhero: | yeah. that could do xbmc front end. I have "run xbmc" as one of my myth menus, but I'm not impressed. |
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| [03:26:35] | biffhero: | yeah, google heatsink kit |
| [03:26:42] | biffhero: | and the first hit is "for the raspberry pi. |
| [03:26:51] | biffhero: | oh, because he overclocks it. |
| [03:26:58] | biffhero: | This feels like it. https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-heat-sink-kit |
| [03:26:59] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to need a heatsink is because you overclock it |
| [03:27:08] | wagnerrp: | and if you overclock it, you really don't understand the purpose of the device |
| [03:27:09] | biffhero: | I remember it was priced in GBP |
| [03:27:28] | wagnerrp: | i mean come on... even in the ARM world, it's like a decade old core |
| [03:27:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ARM11 was announced 29 April 2002 |
| [03:27:59] | biffhero: | here you go. yeah. https://www.modmypi.com/ultimate-raspberry-pi . . . =heat%20sink |
| [03:28:58] | wagnerrp: | if you're going to spend 100 pounds on the thing, why not just start with something worthwhile in the first place? |
| [03:29:25] | biffhero: | yep |
| [03:30:54] | shadow__X: | biffhero: i have tried using a rpi running xbmc using the unofficial mythtv plugin. although it did work its not the best option available |
| [03:31:59] | shadow__X: | hardware decode of mpeg2 works no problem when you purchase the license |
| [03:32:31] | biffhero: | you can purchase a license for it? |
| [03:32:40] | shadow__X: | yes |
| [03:33:01] | biffhero: | huh, who knew. http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/ |
| [03:33:52] | biffhero: | how do you put it in? do they ship you a .ko that you insmod? |
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| [03:34:26] | shadow__X: | no you give them the serial number when you buy the license and they give you a key |
| [03:34:41] | shadow__X: | you put that key in a text file on which ever os you are using |
| [03:34:49] | biffhero: | Yeah, I saw that part on the web page… ok, a text file. |
| [03:35:11] | biffhero: | I'm surprised that this isn't compromised. But for < $5, maybe it's not worth anyone's time |
| [03:35:14] | shadow__X: | if you use one of the xbmc distros you can enter the code in the menus. |
| [03:35:34] | shadow__X: | currently fast forward and rewind do not work though |
| [03:35:55] | shadow__X: | and the cpu is pretty slow so navigating menus can become frustraiting |
| [03:36:06] | biffhero: | I guess I'd get some geek cred to not buy acer revos. |
| [03:36:07] | shadow__X: | frustrating* |
| [03:36:11] | biffhero: | but the revo is so nice. |
| [03:36:25] | biffhero: | Is there a stripped down theme? |
| [03:36:59] | shadow__X: | maybe but it became too slow for me so i went with something faster |
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| [03:46:15] | biffhero: | In my channel scan last night, I got a channel called 11–7018 (12128). How do I find out what that means? |
| [03:48:17] | biffhero: | ok, there was a hashtag, #bobsburgers |
| [03:48:39] | biffhero: | Looks like a FOX show. |
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| [03:54:27] | shadow__X: | biffhero: http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ |
| [03:56:11] | biffhero: | thanks. I was looking at that, but didn't know where to go. I get rather lost trying to map those listings to my myth setup. |
| [03:56:29] | shadow__X: | biffhero: do you have comcast? |
| [03:56:37] | biffhero: | yes |
| [03:57:23] | shadow__X: | biffhero: you can try this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scte65scan |
| [03:58:06] | shadow__X: | that will take care of doing the channel maping |
| [03:58:16] | wagnerrp: | is that still even functional? |
| [03:58:29] | wagnerrp: | just about everything those crappy DTAs would pick up should be encrypted by now |
| [03:58:39] | shadow__X: | i think i used it earlier this year |
| [03:59:42] | shadow__X: | and yeah they have encrypted most of the channels by now |
| [04:00:21] | wagnerrp: | debatably encrypted anyway |
| [04:00:41] | wagnerrp: | considering they're using a form of encryption that was declared insecure like 15 years ago |
| [04:01:08] | biffhero: | shadow__X: I think that's how I did it the first time, as I have ~/src/scte65scan-0.2.1 on my system. I downloaded and compiled version .3 yeterday, but it was erroring out. |
| [04:01:23] | wagnerrp: | if you really wanted to, you could probably write a program that could crack it within a few minutes |
| [04:01:33] | wagnerrp: | but then all you get is standard definition content anyway |
| [04:01:34] | biffhero: | ./scte65scan -H FFFFFFFF -f3 us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 |
| [04:02:36] | biffhero: | the fun part is that the quickTV app on windows shows me 3.1. However, mythtv doesn't. |
| [04:03:35] | biffhero: | scte65scan is looking better now. |
| [04:05:34] | biffhero: | uh, oh, back to "GetPlaybackURL: '5111_20130908210000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found" errors |
| [04:10:49] | biffhero: | nevermind, I think I messed up nvidia client / module versions… NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 304.88, but this kernel module has the version 295.40. |
| [04:15:54] | biffhero: | So, my 15 year old said, "I'll hit you with this pen." and I said, "I think I'll be able to outlast you." So now my elbow is being tapped on. |
| [04:16:20] | wagnerrp: | that's what you get for eating his gummy bears |
| [04:16:43] | biffhero: | Yeah, I guess so. |
| [04:16:43] | biffhero: | [9:16] <biffhero> Brian's such a goob. Â But aren't all 15 year olds? |
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| [04:18:49] | wagnerrp: | i need to take the kernel out of my world so it stops pulling new versions every time i try to update |
| [04:20:38] | biffhero: | TWSS |
| [04:21:04] | wagnerrp: | [R] left, so you had to fill in for him? |
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| [04:25:23] | biffhero: | I guess so. |
| [04:25:25] | biffhero: | I guess so |
| [04:25:27] | biffhero: | hrm. |
| [04:27:47] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/wsWF7hMP |
| [04:29:01] | biffhero: | Wahaha |
| [04:29:26] | biffhero: | I might need to watch some more of this Feist person. Who is Feist? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ9WiuJPnNA |
| [04:30:31] | wagnerrp: | that's actually real? |
| [04:30:54] | wagnerrp: | i was expecting one of the muppets to stub their toe and unleash an endless string of vulgarity |
| [04:31:48] | biffhero: | Oh, now I see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABYnqp-bxvg |
| [04:31:58] | biffhero: | Sesame Street ha no vulgarity. |
| [04:32:09] | biffhero: | s/ha/has/ |
| [04:32:24] | wagnerrp: | maybe not the sesame street you watch |
| [04:32:27] | biffhero: | One of my favorites in that genre is Shiny Happy Monsters. |
| [04:32:46] | biffhero: | and if I'm having a bad day, "Sing a Song" is a sure pick me up. |
| [04:37:47] | biffhero: | Interesting. I accidentally chose the "Living Room Chromecast" instead of "PS3" on my laptop YouTube player, and the Chromecast changed the TV input to be the Chromecast. |
| [04:38:00] | shadow__X: | its using hdmi cec |
| [04:38:26] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control#CEC |
| [04:38:41] | wagnerrp: | see also... http://www.pulse-eight.com/store/products/104 . . . adapter.aspx |
| [04:38:48] | biffhero: | I was wondering about that. Can it also turn my TV on? |
| [04:39:09] | wagnerrp: | depends on your tv |
| [04:39:38] | wagnerrp: | my tv turns my amp on, which tends to interfere with my remote turning my amp on |
| [04:39:53] | wagnerrp: | i would honestly love to completely disable cec, but then that disrupts arc |
| [04:40:52] | wagnerrp: | stupid windows... why can't you copy on select and mouseover focus |
| [04:41:32] | biffhero: | OK, I'll give. How do I get my nvidia all to 319? |
| [04:41:44] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [04:41:45] | biffhero: | I guess I just —purge the 304 one. |
| [04:42:02] | biffhero: | NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 304.88, but this kernel module has the version 319.32. Please |
| [04:42:15] | biffhero: | make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version. |
| [04:42:34] | biffhero: | probably rebooting is good, too. |
| [04:42:42] | wagnerrp: | NOOOOOOOOOO! |
| [04:42:47] | wagnerrp: | this is linux. there is no rebooting |
| [04:42:47] | biffhero: | oops |
| [04:43:20] | biffhero: | so I used to believe that, until I took this operations job a few years ago. The boss man was all, "And at the very last reboot for a good night's sleep." |
| [04:43:39] | wagnerrp: | the only time you should ever need to reboot is for a kernel update |
| [04:43:46] | wagnerrp: | and even then you can do a softreboot with kexec |
| [04:43:49] | biffhero: | His theory was that we needed to prove that it could start from a cold start to operational, or we would be woken up every single time we had something outside of our control. |
| [04:44:23] | biffhero: | Since my Living Room is on a light switch, there's a chance my family will accidentally hit it. |
| [04:44:30] | wagnerrp: | yikes |
| [04:44:35] | wagnerrp: | time to rewire that socket |
| [04:44:41] | shadow__X: | all of the sockets in the room? |
| [04:44:46] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:44:58] | wagnerrp: | except for the one you're actually using for the light |
| [04:45:33] | shadow__X: | how did that seem like a good idea to the electrician |
| [04:45:44] | wagnerrp: | old house, different times |
| [04:45:48] | biffhero: | No, just the one outlet behind on that wall. |
| [04:46:03] | wagnerrp: | remove the switch and replace it with a blank faceplate |
| [04:46:15] | biffhero: | I think the living room was more of a family room. |
| [04:48:46] | wagnerrp: | never knew the difference |
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| [04:55:20] | wagnerrp: | i need to get my ebuild generator working again |
| [04:55:26] | wagnerrp: | this whole by-hand thing is tedious |
| [04:56:04] | biffhero: | yeah, I'm not sure what the difference is, either. |
| [04:56:15] | shadow__X: | wagnerrp: should I have not asked the question? |
| [04:56:24] | biffhero: | I think that when there's a living room _and_ a family room, then the family doesn't use the living room, it's just for looks. |
| [04:56:27] | wagnerrp: | what question? |
| [04:56:32] | shadow__X: | via pm |
| [04:56:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, no illegal decryption |
| [04:57:09] | shadow__X: | gotcha no problem. Was just curious how that would work |
| [04:57:19] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i don't know |
| [04:57:30] | wagnerrp: | i just know their "privacy mode" only uses an outdated 1DES |
| [04:57:50] | shadow__X: | right, that has been broekn for a long time |
| [04:58:06] | wagnerrp: | a few minutes is an exaggeration |
| [04:58:12] | wagnerrp: | it would probably take a typical PC several days |
| [04:58:22] | wagnerrp: | and i'm sure they have a fairly frequent rekeying period |
| [04:58:38] | biffhero: | Oh, one other reason for having things tested from a reboot is to keep the WAF high. "Just restart everything" |
| [04:59:07] | shadow__X: | biffhero: some are more patient and understand than others |
| [05:00:12] | biffhero: | yes |
| [05:12:28] | biffhero: | Sweet, getting this one now. " has deadlocked in due to bugs or hardware failure" |
| [05:18:44] | biffhero: | restarted backend, all good. |
| [05:29:03] | biffhero: | OK, back to my friend the HDHR. |
| [05:29:15] | biffhero: | Oh, wow, this scte65scan made some neat looking sql. |
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| [05:32:27] | biffhero: | So it looks like it deletes the same stuff repeatedly. |
| [05:32:31] | biffhero: | *DELETE FROM channel WHERE sourceid=1; |
| [05:32:53] | biffhero: | And then it does the same batch of inserts over and over. |
| [05:33:16] | biffhero: | cat allchannels.sql | wc -l && cat allchannels.sql | sort -u | wc -l |
| [05:33:16] | biffhero: | 3327 |
| [05:33:16] | biffhero: | 797 |
| [05:33:39] | biffhero: | and none of these say 2–1 or 5–1, or anything like that. |
| [05:34:35] | biffhero: | INSERT INTO channel SET mplexid=1011,serviceid=7018,freqid=2,chanid=1002,sourceid=1,channum='2',callsign ='KTVU'; <<< All I can say about that is, "KTVU is channel 2" |
| [05:36:30] | biffhero: | I found another clue. |
| [05:37:41] | biffhero: | When I looked in the directory for scte65scan-0.2.1, I found two interesting files. scan.out and vct1.sql. Both of these are from 10/16/2011, when the source code in this directory is dated 5/21/2009 |
| [05:38:08] | biffhero: | the scan.out file looks interesting. |
| [05:38:16] | biffhero: | VCT_ID 3129 (0x0c39) at 333025000hz, version 16 |
| [05:38:16] | biffhero: | VC CD.PROG M# NAME |
| [05:38:17] | biffhero: | ==================== |
| [05:38:17] | biffhero: | 2 50.1 4 KTVU |
| [05:38:20] | biffhero: | and on and on like that. |
| [05:41:58] | biffhero: | aha, the other -f options.... |
| [05:46:14] | biffhero: | OK, so this VCT thing must be a frequency channel thing. |
| [05:48:20] | biffhero: | go to that frequency, get a list of the channels that are available in a data stream |
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| [06:05:17] | biffhero: | Wait a minute, these really look like the normal channels, not the HD channels from the HDHR. |
| [06:08:08] | biffhero: | Is it possible that this scan that I have just done has shown me that the HDHR can tune and record the normal channels just like the cable box that I am renting and tuning with a stupid serial cable? |
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| [06:12:30] | shadow__X: | biffhero: read the description on the page |
| [06:12:55] | shadow__X: | biffhero: it will give you the freq's for all the channels on a specific vdid line up |
| [06:13:09] | biffhero: | I was just going to say, "Oh, look, I maybe finally understand the Overview section on the page" |
| [06:16:15] | biffhero: | I'm trying now with a -p to see if the HD are in there. |
| [06:16:28] | biffhero: | what does "vdid" mean? |
| [06:17:27] | shadow__X: | scte65 scan does have a help menu |
| [06:18:16] | shadow__X: | vcd_id is the channel line up for your area |
| [06:19:57] | biffhero: | I looked at the web page, and it looks like I should use 3020 for Milpitas. |
| [06:20:08] | shadow__X: | it tells you to check your stb |
| [06:21:01] | biffhero: | Yes, that's an option. I'm not sure I can do that. I guess I could watch live tv, and then do the steps. I don't have a live box —> TV hookup. |
| [06:21:45] | biffhero: | In my previous file, vct1.sql, I have VCT_ID 3129 |
| [06:22:44] | biffhero: | Am I right in surmising that I can ask the HDHR for channels that are also available on the motorola STB that I have? |
| [06:24:03] | biffhero: | Am I right in surmising that I can use the HDHR instead of the motorola STB to tune the same crappy channels? I thought I had to use the HDHR to do HD channels for some silly reason. |
| [06:25:00] | biffhero: | I'm not sure why I have "sourceid=1" in all of these, because my current sourceid=1 is the STB, and sourceid=5 is the HDHR. |
| [06:25:40] | shadow__X: | your basic tv lineup may be encrypted |
| [06:26:00] | shadow__X: | so you can scan as much as you want on the hdhr if you can tune the channels great |
| [06:26:20] | shadow__X: | but most of your basic channels should be encrypted at this point |
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| [06:27:01] | biffhero: | running with the -p got me some interesting results. channum='209.5', etc. |
| [06:27:48] | Shadow__X: | yes |
| [06:28:07] | Shadow__X: | often that will be the sd version of a channel |
| [06:35:10] | biffhero: | I think I'll try one or two lines of this SQL, definitely not running the whole thing. |
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| [06:44:32] | biffhero: | OK, so I have a couple of more questions that I can't move forward without. |
| [06:45:29] | biffhero: | 1. what sourceid should I use? I have only sources 1 and 5 in my current setup. But that was from when I thought that 1=STB=boring, non-hd channels and 5=HDHR=cool channels over the net. |
| [06:46:16] | biffhero: | 2. I see that there's a subselect there in the update commands using the frequency from the dtv_multiplex table. However, in the dtv_multiplex table, I see that I have sourceid=5 and sourceid=3. Hrm. |
| [06:49:15] | Shadow__X: | the sourceid is used to in the sql file to update the backend |
| [06:50:01] | biffhero: | I see that. But I have to choose the right sourceid which is mapped somewhere to my HDHR or to my analog STB |
| [06:50:51] | biffhero: | I'm OK with saying that STB=sourceid=1, and HDHR=sourceid=5, but what's sourceid=3 ? |
| [06:51:51] | biffhero: | (I wouldn't be surprised if it was from a mistake) |
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| [07:19:37] | biffhero: | Aha! |
| [07:19:39] | biffhero: | I found it. |
| [07:19:52] | biffhero: | that scte65scan was the bomb. |
| [07:19:55] | biffhero: | I can now fix things. |
| [07:20:45] | biffhero: | I just have to go to two tables. 1. channel 2. dtv_multiplex |
| [07:21:29] | biffhero: | After running scte65scan, I found the frequency that scte65scan thought was my 11.1 (really 3.1, but don't worry about that riht now). |
| [07:22:11] | biffhero: | I found channel 11.1 in the webui, gave it a funny name, and then re-ran mythfilldatabase. |
| [07:22:42] | biffhero: | then I went into dtv_multiplex, found the mplexid that matched the one in my channel table, and changed the frequency. |
| [07:22:51] | biffhero: | I am now watching the nightly news on this stinking channel. |
| [07:22:55] | biffhero: | wowsa. |
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| [07:25:22] | biffhero: | It's funny that I could have fixed this 6 months ago. But I didn't have the time that it took back then. And it definitely took this much time concentrated in one place. |
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| [14:39:45] | biffhero: | You know what I would like? I would like a channel debugger. CLI script (bash, python, perl, whatever) which reads my myth channel lists, and then does short (user configurable?) recordings of every (user configurable?) channel. I am about ready to nuke my channel maps, and re-add them (I think maybe I'll understand what is going on this time around). I would like to be able to do a smoke test of channels, adding and deleting them. Using the UI is |
| [14:40:26] | DonkeyHotei: | i'd like that too |
| [14:41:27] | sphery: | biffhero: as far as nuking them, use "Delete all video sources" (anything else leaves in info which could influence/affect future changes, usually even meaning you end up with the same brokenness as before) |
| [14:42:51] | sphery: | the "pull channel data and use it to create a small recording from each channel" script would be quite a challenge, though, as it would have to understand how to differentiate the different tuner types and how they tune (whether using frequency IDs or tuning to frequencies) and how they find the channel (i.e. logical channels in DTV), and possibly even stuff about DiSECq or whatever |
| [14:43:12] | biffhero: | play back a single mpeg that was all, "channel 1, tuner 1" in OSD on the screen, then 10 seconds, et cetera. Then I'd delete the ones that I want to hide from the UI, and re-run. |
| [14:43:36] | biffhero: | sphery: oh, I thought there might be an API to myth to get that data. Or submit a myth job, so that myth does all of that. |
| [14:43:43] | biffhero: | I need to delete all video sources first? |
| [14:43:44] | sphery: | limiting it to just "external tuner" sources (like CableCARD or ivtv S-Vid/Composite or HD-PVR) would be easier, but if you want it to work for everything, it would be /very/ complex/huge |
| [14:43:47] | biffhero: | man, that scares me. |
| [14:43:51] | DonkeyHotei: | there is "channel scan" |
| [14:43:58] | biffhero: | DonkeyHotei: Oh? |
| [14:44:18] | biffhero: | sphery: what else is there besides "external tuner" sources? |
| [14:44:36] | sphery: | so a better approach would likely be to just build in a "functional test" capability--either using the services api or even as part of the frontend (basically what users think of a channel scan as doing, versus a real channel scan) |
| [14:44:59] | sphery: | (where you hinted at thinking there was some api like this--so, yeah, that's not a bad approach) |
| [14:45:08] | biffhero: | DonkeyHotei: oh, yeah, the channel scan from the mythtv-setup app. That wasn't working for me.) |
| [14:45:16] | DonkeyHotei: | in mythtv-setup |
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| [14:45:30] | biffhero: | sphery: Your "so a better approach" — "functional test" statement is exactly what I was thinking of. |
| [14:45:45] | sphery: | Delete all video sources deletes the video sources and /everything/ that is linked to them |
| [14:45:57] | biffhero: | cascading deletes, that's nice. |
| [14:46:05] | sphery: | biffhero: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 for info on Delete all |
| [14:46:07] | jm|laptop: | Beetroot. |
| [14:46:52] | sphery: | and note that the only difference between Delete all video sources and "nuke the channel ..." is when you have multiple video sources and you only want to "nuke" one of them |
| [14:47:15] | sphery: | (but even then, you need to Delete the video source whose channel stuff you want to nuke) |
| [14:47:45] | sphery: | "external tuner" means anything that's using a cable-/satellite-company-provided set-top box or DTA or ... |
| [14:48:35] | DonkeyHotei: | or? |
| [14:49:00] | sphery: | where we just tell that tuner to "tune channel 2_1" versus having to actually understand how to tune the tuner to the correct frequency and then how to pull out the correct channel from that frequency (which we have to do with internal tuners--i.e. direct tuning with a DVB/ATSC card connected to an antenna, for example) |
| [14:49:29] | biffhero: | sphery: is there a log of this channel? I came to an epiphany last night with the channel vs. dct_multiplex tables. |
| [14:50:14] | sphery: | and channel scan is really only something that works well with digital tuners (analog channel scanning isn't meant to be used--it's a last resort for when you have garbage guide data) |
| [14:50:55] | sphery: | so if you have a digital tuner, and it's "internal" to the MythTV system, you can use channel scan |
| [14:51:24] | sphery: | if you have a digital tuner that's "external" (STB/DTA/HDHomeRun/Firewire/...) you use "Fetch channels from listings source" |
| [14:51:43] | DonkeyHotei: | you should be able to scan external the same as internal |
| [14:52:07] | sphery: | biffhero: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/ is archive |
| [14:52:13] | biffhero: | Yeah, I was thinking of making my own mpeg2 file (cat /dev/video0 > channeltest.mpeg) and then a for loop. Mostly to make sure we are getting lock, and to see what the channel really is (gardening vs. spanish vs. asian vs. crazy asian, etc) |
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| [14:53:31] | DonkeyHotei: | what's the difference between asian and crazy asian? |
| [14:54:08] | sphery: | biffhero: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2013-09-09:00:31:02 is where you appeared |
| [14:54:09] | DonkeyHotei: | i suppose KTSF would be "crazy asian" ? |
| [14:54:45] | sphery: | biffhero: to some extent, the frontend channel editor and/or the frontend signal monitor were meant to do that |
| [14:55:50] | sphery: | they need some TLC, and could well be improved/combined to give the ability you want (complete with ability to edit channel name/number/call sign while "seeking" through the channels (as a radio's "seek" button does)) |
| [14:56:26] | biffhero: | [7:54] <DonkeyHotei> i suppose KTSF would be "crazy asian" ? <<< heh, yeah. |
| [14:56:37] | biffhero: | Sometimes Asian has funny shows. Sometimes it's all shouting news. |
| [14:57:32] | biffhero: | sphery: my stream of consciousness starts to flow at about 6am this morning, IRC log-time. I think I started to understand what scte65scan + their sql output was going to do. |
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| [14:59:37] | sphery: | biffhero: what tuner are you using? what source of video (cable via QAM, cable via cablecard, ...) |
| [14:59:54] | biffhero: | After that learning, I was able to do two new things. 1. get the 3.1 channel to record HD of the 3 SD station by changing the frequency in the dct_multiplex table. 2. have the HDHR record the SD channel 3 as well as the HD channel 3.1, also by editing the dct_multiplex table. (prior to that, I didn't realize the HDHR could do the 'normal' cablebox stuff. |
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| [15:00:28] | sphery: | so this is hdhr with QAM cable? |
| [15:00:33] | sphery: | unencrypted digital cable? |
| [15:00:55] | biffhero: | sphery: two tuners. source=1 is a motorola DCT-xxx, sitting external, pumping into a PVR-250. source=2 is a silicondust HDHR dual. |
| [15:01:38] | sphery: | if so, a proper channel scan in mythtv-setup will find all the available channels and then it's just a matter of identifying the channels and linking them to the xmltvid used by your guide service provider |
| [15:01:46] | sphery: | and deleting any you don't want |
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| [15:01:55] | sphery: | shouldn't be any reason/need to ever edit any of the tables directly |
| [15:02:31] | biffhero: | will the channel scan do a channel changing scan on the motorola box with the channel changing via serial app? |
| [15:02:35] | sphery: | and with that setup, a "Delete all video sources" will delete your source 1, too, but that is the easiest source to re-create (because you do so with "Fetch channels from listings provider") |
| [15:02:44] | sphery: | no, that's an "external" tuner |
| [15:02:55] | sphery: | so you don't channel scan it--you use "Fetch channels..." |
| [15:03:09] | biffhero: | ah, ok, so only one channel scan, since I only have one HDHR. |
| [15:03:24] | sphery: | i.e. there's no need for a scan because there's plenty of information in your lineup to say what channels you get and what they're "called" (i.e. their frequency ID) |
| [15:03:27] | sphery: | and, yeah |
| [15:03:30] | sphery: | one scan |
| [15:03:54] | biffhero: | ok, capturing this to an emacs buffer... |
| [15:04:34] | sphery: | hehe, it's also in http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/history (specifically today's) |
| [15:04:43] | biffhero: | heh. |
| [15:04:54] | biffhero: | OK, here's something that I know will kill me. |
| [15:06:10] | biffhero: | Right now I (am pretty sure I) use a little app, "channel", to change the channel on the motorola box via serial. I say this because I see a serial cable there, and I can find the source for the channel changing. Where do I find the setting that myth is using for that? I am sure I will need to set that up somewhere. |
| [15:08:06] | sphery: | in your Input Connections in mythtv-setup (when connecting the Video Source to an Input on a Capture Card), you specify an "External channel change command" |
| [15:08:32] | sphery: | just make sure you get the right name/path, as you have currently |
| [15:08:53] | biffhero: | yeah, that's what I'm going to make sure to look for. |
| [15:09:04] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: connect the DCT by firewire |
| [15:10:08] | sphery: | and, yeah, firewire may work for you if your cable company enables it |
| [15:10:13] | biffhero: | I don't know that I can do that. I think I need a firewire input to my host. |
| [15:10:22] | biffhero: | I found the cardinput table. That will have it. |
| [15:11:10] | sphery: | biffhero: direct data manipulation (or even just reading) from the DB isn't recommended because the data integrity constraints are in the application and not in the database |
| [15:11:32] | biffhero: | here's a question. when I scanned with the scan app in mythtv, my HDHR was set up with the 3–1, 3–2, HD channels, but none of the SD channels (ESPN, etc) are brought in for the HDHR. |
| [15:11:34] | biffhero: | ok, thanks. |
| [15:11:40] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: which model DCT do you have? |
| [15:11:46] | sphery: | and the data is very much linked across tables, leading to easily missed information when just looking through things |
| [15:12:46] | biffhero: | DonkeyHotei: I don't know. |
| [15:13:07] | DonkeyHotei: | what color is it? |
| [15:13:18] | biffhero: | black. |
| [15:13:30] | DonkeyHotei: | likely no firewire, then |
| [15:13:34] | biffhero: | this is the full on box, wide, not just a little free adaptor. |
| [15:13:53] | sphery: | biffhero: "scan app in mythtv" = mythtv-setup's channel scanner? |
| [15:13:59] | biffhero: | yeah. |
| [15:14:15] | sphery: | if so, you may be doing a "limited" scan of only the "high" channels (those likely to be used for digital TV) |
| [15:14:24] | sphery: | you need to do a complete scan to get everything |
| [15:14:26] | biffhero: | wagnerrp was helping me through that over the last couple of days. that, and back in 2011. |
| [15:15:01] | DonkeyHotei: | is your tv a CRT? |
| [15:15:09] | biffhero: | heh. no. |
| [15:15:29] | DonkeyHotei: | then why do you have a black DCT? |
| [15:15:49] | biffhero: | Ummm?? I don't know. |
| [15:15:58] | biffhero: | What's another kind of DCT? |
| [15:16:12] | DonkeyHotei: | the ones that do HD? |
| [15:17:10] | biffhero: | No, this one doesn't do HD. I think I know the answer now. My cable package doesn't have HD in it. That's why I am using the HDHR to get whatever HD channels are on the cable system. |
| [15:17:56] | sphery: | I think you must be mistaken, because talk of service theft in this channel is banned |
| [15:18:08] | sphery: | (i.e. getting cable channels that you don't pay for) |
| [15:18:10] | biffhero: | No, I'm not doing any service theft. |
| [15:18:10] | DonkeyHotei: | all comcast packages except "limited basic" have HD |
| [15:18:55] | biffhero: | I think I probably had some faulty logic when I was making these choices, too. Here's the question that tripped me up. "If I get a HD cable package, and then get a HD DCT, what does it output, and how do I import that into myth through this PVR-250?" |
| [15:19:12] | DonkeyHotei: | there is no "HD package" |
| [15:19:52] | biffhero: | ok. |
| [15:19:59] | sphery: | most HDTV STBs have non-HDTV outputs (such as Composite/S-Video) |
| [15:20:05] | sphery: | though not all--so check first |
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| [15:20:17] | DonkeyHotei: | his is a DCT 2000 |
| [15:20:17] | biffhero: | I just logged in to my comcast, and I have "xfinity tv" and "xfinity internet" |
| [15:20:24] | biffhero: | yeah, that sounds right. |
| [15:20:29] | sphery: | (they're becoming less common since HDTVs are becoming more common) |
| [15:21:11] | biffhero: | So I suppose I am "getting" about 1/3 of what I have available? |
| [15:21:38] | DonkeyHotei: | comcast tv subscriptions automatically include a DCT 2000 and they charge you an extra $10/mo if you have any HD equipment whatsoever |
| [15:21:41] | sphery: | sounds like you're paying for stuff your STB can't deliver? |
| [15:22:01] | sphery: | ah, ok... so it would cost more to get an HDTV STB |
| [15:22:04] | biffhero: | sphery: sound right. |
| [15:22:16] | DonkeyHotei: | even if it's just to receive ClearQAM |
| [15:22:37] | sphery: | but you are paying for those digital channels--so please make sure you get that right so that it doesn't look to any comcast lawyer reading channel logs like we're teaching people how to steal channels :) |
| [15:22:46] | DonkeyHotei: | but if you have your OWN ClearQAM tuner, they can't charge that |
| [15:22:49] | biffhero: | yeah, I am paying for those channels. |
| [15:22:50] | sphery: | right |
| [15:23:29] | sphery: | that's why I assumed there was a miscommunication there |
| [15:23:38] | DonkeyHotei: | you're not paying for them SPECIFICALLY |
| [15:23:39] | biffhero: | Here is what is on the bill. "Digital starter package"(70.49), "digital additional"(9.25), "Digital adapter"(9.25), "Digital adapter"(9.25) |
| [15:23:43] | sphery: | (saying I thought you were mistaken) |
| [15:23:48] | biffhero: | yeah, thanks. |
| [15:24:30] | DonkeyHotei: | digital adapter is $1.99/mo for non-addressable channels only, it's a tiny black box |
| [15:25:00] | biffhero: | yeah, that's on the kid's TV in the other room |
| [15:25:05] | sphery: | those are the DTAs that only do RF-modulated output (via coax on "channel 3/4" or whatever)? |
| [15:25:18] | DonkeyHotei: | yes |
| [15:25:22] | biffhero: | yeah, we had one on the tivo for a while, IR Blasting. no good. |
| [15:25:27] | sphery: | wow, I thought they couldn't charge for those |
| [15:25:30] | DonkeyHotei: | $1.99/mo each |
| [15:25:48] | DonkeyHotei: | they started charging in july |
| [15:25:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | I like my CableCard better. ;-) |
| [15:25:57] | sphery: | guess the FCC is really pandering to the cable co's now... what with allowing them to encrypt everything and ... |
| [15:26:31] | biffhero: | If I had an HDTV STB that sent out composite/s-video, that would look bad, right? The best way to get this going is to get the HDHR Prime and a Cable Card. |
| [15:26:37] | ** sphery fears the day when they take back all the OTA TV spectrum and force everyone to pay for cable/satellite or have no TV service ** | |
| [15:26:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... that being said, I'm about to move and switching from FiOS to Charter... so hopefully I can still get the channels I pay for with Charter via CC in Linux/MythTV... |
| [15:26:56] | biffhero: | yeah, me too. |
| [15:27:11] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: your paste of the bill is ambiguous. you have 4 STB's? |
| [15:27:53] | sphery: | biffhero: it would look bad from the standpoint that SDTV looks bad--but it would likely be as good as using SDTV output from a non-HDTV cable box |
| [15:28:19] | biffhero: | No, those line items were the four line items on the bill. I have one DCT-2000, and one little adapter. |
| [15:29:03] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: if charter works, might want to put a note in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable#CableCARD |
| [15:29:13] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: then there should be 70.49 and 1.99 and nothing else. you are being charged for equipment you don't have |
| [15:29:22] | sphery: | I've seen lots of people asking about charter, but have no idea what they tend to do |
| [15:29:36] | biffhero: | sphery: so it would be like using the HDHR that I have now for the clear QAM, but at least I'd have a reliable tuner for ESPN / ESPN2 |
| [15:30:09] | biffhero: | DonkeyHotei: thanks. you don't think that the 9.25 could be for the DCT-2000 ? |
| [15:30:33] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: that is the charge for a second DCT 2000 |
| [15:30:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Will do. I still have my 2 HD-PVRs, so if I have to go the STB->HD-PVR route, I'll 'revert' to that... (I would have sold them, but I paid over $200 each for them, and used they're going for 1/4 that, so I chose to keep them...) |
| [15:31:18] | DonkeyHotei: | the DTA boxes are $1.99 each |
| [15:31:40] | sphery: | biffhero: sounds like it... (and, yeah, annoying how much they like to lock down ESPN) |
| [15:32:13] | biffhero: | I think the 9.25 is because I have the DCT-2000 _and_ the additional outlet (the TV in the family room). http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=485432 |
| [15:32:14] | sphery: | I'll soon be going back to having cable, specifically because it's impossible to get ESPN without a cable or satellite subscription that includes ESPN |
| [15:32:43] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: additional outlets are also $1.99 |
| [15:32:54] | sphery: | been OTA only since 2006, and have saved a fortune, but will need cable for ESPN |
| [15:33:13] | DonkeyHotei: | actually no, additional outlets are free |
| [15:34:04] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: cool that you still have the HD-PVRs if you need them... $200 purchase – $50 sale + $160 re-purchase isn't a good deal |
| [15:34:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Hehehe... exactly. ;-) I love the HD-PVRs, but sometimes they are 'quirky' – CC is so much easier. |
| [15:36:38] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: how many outlets do you have, total? |
| [15:37:24] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, I'm considering just having a Brighthouse (basically TWC) DVR for cable channels and keeping MythTV for OTA only and switching input on the TV rather than going the HD-PVR route |
| [15:38:28] | biffhero: | DonkeyHotei: good catch. I am pretty sure when I set this up I said "3, one in the family room for the kids, one in the living room for the Tivo, and one in the office for myth." since then, we turned off the tivo. |
| [15:38:32] | sphery: | most of the cable stuff (including ESPN) will be my SO's, so I can just let her manage it like she's used to |
| [15:39:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: The video quality is EXCELLENT through the HD-PVR, it's just that it's sometimes quirky because it's USB... Even B*erdo created a 'killer' to cut the power/restart them periodically to get around that issue... I used an X-10 module on my system... |
| [15:39:46] | sphery: | yeah, I hate USB (well, at least pre-USB-3.0, but need to give Linux drivers time to fix the xHCI drivers before making a call on 3.0) |
| [15:40:30] | sphery: | I will admit that on paper, 3.0 seems to have solved the major problem of pre-3.0 (with the non-polling protocol rather than the original/old polling garbage) |
| [15:41:10] | sphery: | that said, I'd have to wait for a usb 3 hd-pvr to come out, if it ever does |
| [15:41:41] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: do all of those have STB's? they can't charge for an outlet with no STB |
| [15:43:41] | biffhero: | I bet they used to hae a STB. |
| [15:43:54] | biffhero: | s/hae/have/ |
| [15:44:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah... I tried to use my HD-PVRs on 3.0 ports when I first got a MB with them... no dice... Lots of issues. But they worked quite reliably on 2.0 ports. |
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| [15:47:15] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: what did you do with the STB's they used to have? |
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| [15:53:12] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: log in to https://customer.comcast.com/Secure/MyServices/ and tell me what you see on the right |
| [15:54:14] | biffhero: | ok, checking... |
| [15:54:21] | biffhero: | equipment is loading. |
| [15:56:38] | ** croccydile missed an interesting discussion! ** | |
| [15:57:18] | croccydile: | sphery: The FCC being run by politicians now instead of engineers like the old days... yeah |
| [15:57:43] | DonkeyHotei: | biffhero: you'll need to click View More if you have internet from them |
| [15:58:39] | biffhero: | that right side red rectangle isn't finishing loading. |
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| [16:00:54] | croccydile: | I still have to reset my hd-pvr every day or so otherwise it can get "stuck" |
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| [17:45:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | croccydile: I haven't used mine for ~ 1 year, when I switched to a Ceton with a CableCard... But I used to have to reset them about once a week on average. |
| [17:45:41] | croccydile: | Yeah I need to come up with a script that resets it daily |
| [17:45:55] | croccydile: | I dont know if cablecard would work here |
| [17:46:13] | croccydile: | I cant find definitive info if Bright House has copy freely |
| [17:46:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | croccydile: Yeah, I don't know if CC will work on the provider I'm going to end up going with when I move... I have FiOS now, and everything but the Premium movie channels is either not tagged, or tagged "Copy Freely" – I'm not sure it'll be the same with Charter... :-( |
| [17:47:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | If it is, I'll have to get two HD STBs again and start using the HD-PVRs again. (I did that for 2 years before switching to the CC) |
| [17:47:39] | croccydile: | However for the time being, analog is still clear here... afaik they did not apply (Bright House) to encrypt basic yet |
| [17:48:06] | croccydile: | Yeah I use the HD-PVR for the STB... then two analog with the 2250 |
| [17:49:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh, I've never used Myth for Analog cable... I started out with a PVR-350 and a Dish Network STB with an IR blaster... then went to 3 soon after... ;-) S-Video -> PVR-350, 150, and 500. ;-) |
| [17:49:27] | croccydile: | I didnt have the resources at the time I think |
| [17:49:38] | croccydile: | I know the 150 has a shitty comb filter with the 500 |
| [17:49:43] | croccydile: | if you use analog |
| [17:50:09] | croccydile: | The 2250 is much better though, its like recording s-video off a STB |
| [17:50:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Like I said, I never used the Analog tuners, just the S-Video inputs. ;-) |
| [17:50:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A H8s Analog. ;-) hehehehehehe ** | |
| [17:51:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... even though, technically, Component video is Analog – it's only Analog from the STB to my HD-PVR. ;-) |
| [17:51:55] | croccydile: | It never really bothered me... the main problem in the old days was turning off the temporal filter on the 150/500 |
| [17:52:11] | croccydile: | The comb filter still sucked but I didnt have a STB nor ir blasting facilities at the time |
| [17:52:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I didn't have a choice at the time – as I had Dish, so I needed a STB. ;-) |
| [17:53:52] | croccydile: | Here is a sample https://www.dropbox.com/s/hqkec0mua1uqjyb/tes . . . 05.32%5D.png |
| [17:53:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, I *did* have a choice, but chose to keep Dish. ;-) For SD, their picture quality was excellent... |
| [17:56:10] | croccydile: | The 2250 is actually too sharp by default, so I had to dial it down to prevent ringing |
| [17:56:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | croccydile: Not bad for Analog. ;-) |
| [17:56:21] | croccydile: | There is one drawback though... the max bitrate is only 6500kbit |
| [17:56:30] | croccydile: | When the older cards did up to 12mbit |
| [17:57:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | 12Mbps seems overkill for Analog TBH. I had my HD-PVR set to max (13Mbps IIRC) for my recordings (1080i) |
| [17:57:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Although that's H.264... |
| [17:57:35] | croccydile: | I also had a similar issue on the HD-PVR, had to fiddle with its sharpness control as it was making recordings too *blurry* |
| [17:57:57] | croccydile: | Well yeah it is, however 8500 (which is what I used to use in the older days) is still better then 6500 :p |
| [17:58:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | I have not seen that issue, but I only used Component Video with my HD-PVRs. |
| [17:58:37] | croccydile: | I use it as well, however for some odd reason on mine doing 480i/480p shows I had to set the sharpness control to 0 (?!) |
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| [21:26:12] | __raven: | i configured mythweb to use https but i get "forbidden" when accessing it directly. access with http and changing to httpS after entering password works – any ideas? |
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| [22:46:55] | k-man: | clear cache? |
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| [23:27:33] | mattwj2002: | anyone here? |
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