| Tuesday, June 25th, 2013, 17:50 UTC | ||
| [17:50:21] | Quantum`: | On Dish, two channels have moved. SchedulesDirect has the new channels, but mythfilldatabase won't update my ProgramGuide for some reason. |
| [17:51:54] | Quantum`: | $ mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates does not do it for some reason. |
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| [17:58:51] | Quantum`: | --only-update-channels doesn't work either. |
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| [18:02:44] | Quantum`: | Channel Editor has them wrong. It thinks 167 is GAC, and 246 is KGO. Should be AXS and Velocity, respectively. |
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| [18:13:25] | sphery: | Quantum`: mythfilldatabase doesn't change channel information, it simply puts listings information in the database |
| [18:13:45] | sphery: | Quantum`: what you need to do is use the mythtv-setup or MythWeb channel editor to change the appropriate channel information |
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| [18:14:48] | Quantum`: | sphery: You mean I have to change every detail in the channel editor? |
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| [18:15:10] | sphery: | Quantum`: specifically, assuming Dish just swapped the location of 2 channels, edit the channel numbers (if desired--they're for your own use and have no importance to MythTV), the channel call signs and name, and--especially--the xmltvid |
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| [18:15:28] | sphery: | no, you only change the important details |
| [18:15:50] | sphery: | and then after run: mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all |
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| [18:16:43] | sphery: | basically, nothing changed except which channel carries which content so you just have to tell mythfilldatabase to put each channels listings in the other channel's place |
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| [18:18:24] | sphery: | Quantum`: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2013-06-25:17:50 |
| [18:18:52] | Quantum`: | Odd, I haven't had to do that before when channels changed. |
| [18:19:14] | Quantum`: | (sorry, XFCE crashed on me) |
| [18:20:03] | sphery: | well, there are other ways you can do (bad) things to make it seem like it changed things for you, but the above is the right way |
| [18:20:22] | sphery: | the other ways are more likely to break things (including other, unchanged channels) |
| [18:20:26] | Quantum`: | OK good to know. |
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| [18:22:11] | sphery: | Quantum`: the mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all will tell mythfilldatabase to refresh all of your listings at once, so it will ensure you have the right data on the right channels for all days |
| [18:22:48] | sphery: | Quantum`: and, to improve your system, assuming you aren't running on an underpowered system, use --dd-grab-all all the time to get the most-current listings data all the time |
| [18:23:03] | Quantum`: | I'm putting this in my notes. |
| [18:23:38] | Quantum`: | I know mythfilldatabase gets updates 24 hours, so how can I add --dd-grab-all to that? |
| [18:23:52] | sphery: | see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 49416#449416 for details on using --dd-grab-all normally |
| [18:25:24] | sphery: | it's nice because that way if they publish a schedule, but it changes, you'll get the update as soon as you run mythfilldatabase after the change, rather than waiting until the day before the modification to the schedule |
| [18:25:47] | Quantum`: | Kool. Ty. |
| [18:26:21] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [18:44:39] | malleus0112358: | Hi. mythbackend is failing to respond to SIGTERM. The log generates the line "MythBackend exiting", so it appears to process the signal. However, the process never exits, and according to the log mythbackend continues working (EIT scanning for example). |
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| [18:47:24] | malleus0112358: | The problem appears to occur if mythbackend has issued a server halt command. If no server halt command has been issued, the process exits within seconds as expected. If a server halt command has been issued, the process continues for minutes, and possible indefinitely if not killed. |
| [18:49:49] | malleus0112358: | It this behavior by design? Perhaps someone expected that nobody would have reason to terminate the backend if the backend had initiated some form of system shutdown... Should I be looking for a bug instead? |
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| [18:58:08] | sphery: | server halt command? |
| [18:58:34] | sphery: | so it was in the process of shutting down, then you sent it a sigterm? |
| [19:00:05] | sphery: | malleus0112358: ^^^ |
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| [19:04:14] | sphery: | malleus0112358: is there a message about ServerHaltCommand failed, shutdown aborted in there? |
| [19:04:22] | malleus0112358: | Sorry. Well indirectly it initiated the sigterm. As part of my pm-suspend hooks I need to unload tuner modules, and in order to free them to be unloaded, mythbackend must be terminated. So mythbackend calls pm-suspend, which in turn tries to stop mythbackend. |
| [19:06:10] | sphery: | I'm not sure whether that should or should not work |
| [19:06:23] | sphery: | probably worth creating a ticket, though, to make someone decide |
| [19:06:40] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/newticket + http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo |
| [19:09:07] | malleus0112358: | No sign that it is aborting shutdown. It says its handling the sigterm '(handleSignal) Received Terminated' and then '(run_backend) MythBackend exiting' but then just carries on as normal. Okay, I'll look into creating a ticket after I look over the code a bit more. Thanks for the input. |
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| [19:11:17] | sphery: | it may just be a dead lock on the scheduler thread (which may fail to shut down due to the fact that it was holding the scheduler lock when it called the shutdown script) |
| [19:12:34] | sphery: | malleus0112358: can you try this... have the backend call a script (say, shutdown.sh) which calls a different script (say, do_shutdown.sh) in the background and then returns success |
| [19:13:00] | sphery: | so, basically, shutdown.sh is just #!/bin/bash \n do_shutdown.sh & |
| [19:13:08] | sphery: | and do_shutdown.sh is the script you're currently using |
| [19:13:25] | sphery: | then do_shutdown.sh can send a sigterm to the backend and shut it down |
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| [19:13:46] | malleus0112358: | Ah, good idea. I'll try that. |
| [19:14:25] | sphery: | if that works, then I'd think that may be the best approach (and you may want to document it in the wiki) |
| [19:16:09] | sphery: | not sure where, but maybe somewhere in one of these pages: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Power_Management |
| [19:19:47] | sphery: | hmmm, might want to put an exit 0 at the end of the script, though |
| [19:19:51] | sphery: | (end of shutdown.sh) |
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| [19:23:13] | madboter: | Hello! I'm just testing MythTV and was wondering if this software can control, record and manage ip cameras as audio/video source |
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| [19:32:40] | lwizardl: | hello |
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| [19:36:27] | lwizardl: | what would be the most supported way to have all the main sources for television (example cable boxes or cablecards) in say the basement and then feeding the sources to the rooms and be able to change the channels within myth? I am thinking it would be something like hdhomerun units in the basement. |
| [19:36:42] | lwizardl: | is that the best option or would there be another option ? |
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| [19:44:01] | sphery: | madboter: MythTV is designed for recording video from channels with listings information |
| [19:44:51] | sphery: | madboter: however, there's a plugin called MythZoneMinder that uses ZoneMinder for managing cameras (i.e. for a security system) and allows you to see them on your MythTV system |
| [19:45:22] | sphery: | madboter: if you don't want TV recording, MythTV isn't the application for you (but ZoneMinder may well be) |
| [19:46:19] | sphery: | lwizardl: the backend is what changes channels, so you can just put the backend(s) in the basement and the frontend(s) in the upstairs rooms |
| [19:47:38] | sphery: | you can put HDHRs down there, but MythTV has always been designed as a client/server (frontend/backend) application specifically to allow you to pipe any recorded content to any frontend on your network, regardless of location of backend(s) |
| [19:48:13] | sphery: | madboter: FWIW, http://www.zoneminder.com/ |
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| [19:52:04] | lwizardl: | sphery: exactly what I was wanting. But I was looking at having anything supplied by my tv provider (ie comcast, at&t, etc) in the basement in one location and then having the frontends be the only box in the rooms. |
| [19:52:49] | lwizardl: | sphery: right now I only have 1 myth box and it is both back/front end and then my comcast box sits ontop of the mythbox |
| [19:54:35] | madboter: | I just came back. i just read all what you said, and yes i should use ZineMinder then |
| [19:55:05] | madboter: | thank you for the feedback. |
| [19:55:28] | lwizardl: | madboter: you might want to also check out another distro |
| [19:55:32] | lwizardl: | let me find the url |
| [19:55:38] | madboter: | Thank you. |
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| [19:56:48] | lwizardl: | madboter: found it it does security cameras, media content, and more http://linuxmce.org/ |
| [19:58:04] | madboter: | between LinuxMCE and ZoneMinder, what distro you think is the best for controlling, recording and managing overall functions of IP cameras as if the PC (where it's installed the distro) where a DVR? |
| [19:58:39] | sphery: | yeah, linuxmce is an older version of mythtv with a skin slapped on top of it as a means of adding a whole-house automation layer on top |
| [19:59:00] | lwizardl: | if your just wanting to do security cameras only then use zoneminder, if you want one box to do them all (play media, make phone calls, etc then linuxmce would be better |
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| [19:59:22] | sphery: | so if you're not interesting in tv recording or home automation, lmce may not be worthwhile |
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| [19:59:33] | sphery: | (it's even more complex to set up than mythtv) |
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| [19:59:37] | lwizardl: | sphery: yeah that was how I found it I was searching for mythtv + cctv a few years ago. |
| [19:59:44] | madboter: | Great appreciation sphery and lwizardl |
| [19:59:45] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:00:12] | sphery: | lwizardl: if you don't want to split up frontend and backend boxes, then hdhr would work |
| [20:00:13] | madboter: | really appreciate you help guys |
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| [20:02:18] | sphery: | lwizardl: fwiw, I personally prefer putting my backends in a different room from the TV so I can buy inexpensive systems (instead of paying for small, sleek, and quiet) and fill them full of HDD's (currently 13.75TB) and not worry about noise or ugliness |
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| [20:03:25] | sphery: | then again, I even put my frontend in a different room from my TV and just ran the video, audio, and IR receiver cables through the wall (so I have an invisible frontend--which is prettier than any expensive case you'll ever find) |
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| [20:03:47] | DexterF: | hi |
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| [20:03:57] | DexterF: | where does mythtv store the mysql password? |
| [20:04:07] | DexterF: | I can't make the sodding debian tools reask it |
| [20:05:06] | sphery: | assuming current mythtv, ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [20:05:34] | sphery: | that said, if you don't fix it with your distro tools, they will likely overwrite your changed (fixed) config.xml with one with the old password |
| [20:05:46] | sphery: | so it will constantly break and you'll have to fix it |
| [20:05:55] | sphery: | so I highly recommend working with the distro tools, not around them |
| [20:06:23] | sphery: | is this *buntu, or plain debian? |
| [20:06:32] | DexterF: | deb7 |
| [20:06:40] | sphery: | ah, no idea how to fix it on that |
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| [20:22:48] | lwizardl: | sphery: sorry had phone call. Yeah I wanted to keep the noisy hardware out of the rooms and then use something smaller in the front ends. I was also going to look at like raspberry pi units to see if they can be used as hardware for the front ends. I know they can run xbmc and play hd media so i think that they could be usable in some way. |
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| [20:27:22] | malleus0112358: | sphery: Forking the actual halt command and returning 0 allowed the backend to shutdown correctly. Thanks a lot for your wizardry! No doubt that has saved me a heap of time! Will add the info to the wiki when I get a chance, along with some other obscure things I've discovered. |
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| [21:09:59] | neufeld: | Looking for suggestions to handle an annoyance. My cable STB sometimes takes a long time to tune some channels. Many of them tune immediately, but some take a little longer. One channel that I often record pops up a "please wait" message while it tunes the station. Said tuning can take up to 20 minutes. Yes, 1200 seconds. What I've taken to doing is, when I know that the next recording that will take place on |
| [21:10:00] | neufeld: | that STB is on that channel, I manually tune the STB to the channel a few hours in advance, so that by the time the recording starts, the STB is ready. This won't work, of course, if there's another recording right before it, but that usually isn't the case for this one show. Is there some event I can get which says, "assuming nobody tries to use live TV, the next program that will be tuned on this tuner will be on |
| [21:10:00] | neufeld: | channel YYY"? I could use that event to change channels ahead of time. |
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| [21:25:23] | DexterF: | hmm. |
| [21:26:01] | DexterF: | I reconfed all mythtv packages, now I'm in mythtv-setup but it keeps telling me it can't connect to the DB server |
| [21:26:20] | DexterF: | pointers appreciated |
| [21:27:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | nuefeld, you can hook into the REC_PENDING system event, but it only alerts 2 minutes ahead of the recording. would be easy to tweak it to allow higher if you compile from source. other than that, you could always schedule a cron job to run "mythbackend --printsched" to look at the upcoming recordings list. either way you'll have to do something to make sure that the STB isn't in use by another recording before changing |
| [21:27:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | the channel though. |
| [21:27:56] | lwizardl: | neufeld: I had something similar happen to me on a RNG cablebox from comcast. I ended up having to swap out the cable box and that seemed to stop. My guess was something to do with the cablecard sync |
| [21:28:48] | lwizardl: | pace rng 110 was the box I had to swap. |
| [21:46:23] | neufeld: | lwizardl: no cablecard, it's a Canadian STB. It seems to happen only on channels that I suspect are very rarely tuned by their customers. |
| [21:47:25] | neufeld: | Captain_Murdoch: I've already got routines to make sure it isn't in use by other recordings. |
| [21:47:27] | lwizardl: | ah mine was syfy and animal planet that had issues |
| [21:48:20] | neufeld: | lwizardl: mine seems to have trouble with Silver Screen Classics and a rerun channel that I'm watching The Bob Newhart Show on. |
| [21:49:58] | neufeld: | Captain_Murdoch: sounds like there's nothing really better than the scheme I use for HD-PVR inactivity measuring. I use the 6544 service to get a list of upcoming recordings and a sed script to parse out the date of the next recording to begin. I can alter that script to find the next recording on that encoder. |
| [21:50:35] | neufeld: | Captain_Murdoch, lwizardl : thanks, I have a path forward that I know will work, I was just hoping there might be a more elegant way available to me. |
| [21:50:49] | ** neufeld goes to eat supper ** | |
| [21:52:39] | sphery: | malleus0112358: I'm glad it worked, and thanks for reporting back. |
| [21:52:48] | lwizardl: | neufeld: not a problem, also this is my 3rd rng 110 box from comcast. I seem to think there is an issue with them. but that is more my opinion |
| [21:55:27] | sphery: | neufeld: another (uglier) option, but that allows you much more notice, is to poll the backend status XML page and look at the upcoming recordings info, which says tuner number and start time and such |
| [21:55:56] | sphery: | would have to also look to make sure nothing else is on that tuner between now and start time (but if so, it will also be in the status xml page) |
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| [22:44:58] | neufeld: | sphery: yes, that's what I do with my sed for another script. I need to know that the HD-PVR is idle, and has no recordings scheduled for the next 3 minutes. I use that to figure out if it's safe to power-cycle the HD-PVR, since those devices need to be kicked once in a while. |
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| Wednesday, June 26th, 2013 | ||
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| [00:23:10] | neufeld: | sphery, and anyone else interested: here's a script I just wrote http://pastebin.com/iAxeawy1 It asks the backend about the next 10 upcoming recordings, and returns to me the number of seconds until the next recording on any encoder, and the channel number of the next recording that is scheduled on my HD-PVR. |
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| [01:33:27] | sphery: | neufeld: nice... could add it to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scripts |
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| [03:07:15] | neufeld: | sphery: OK, I'll look into putting it on the wiki in the morning. |
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| [03:17:35] | lwizardl: | I remember people saying to only use one display on a mythbox to save your sanity. I have decided I want to use dual screens mainly because I will be recording while using another input at times |
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| [11:28:52] | williammanda: | What would be the best way to install mythtv ver .25 on linuxmint debian? |
| [11:37:07] | toeb: | williammanda: is suppose to use the package management system of linuxmint... |
| [11:38:21] | toeb: | why do you want .25? stable release is 0.26... |
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| [12:44:27] | williammanda: | toeb, I'm currently using ver .25 and testing other OS's....thats why I need ver .25 |
| [12:44:51] | williammanda: | toeb, I am using the package management system |
| [12:45:15] | williammanda: | toeb, please let me know if you can help |
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| [14:16:43] | toeb: | williammanda: not really, I do not use mint... i'm just asuming that it is always the best way to use the package manager of the distro... |
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| [14:19:13] | toeb: | williammanda: i also do not think that it does make any difference which distro you use for mythtv... you alway have to configure mysql and mythtv. IMHO this is the tricky part.. not installing the packages.. |
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| [14:28:14] | malleus0112358: | I suspect that mythbackend deleted its default recording directory, which resulted in failing recordings. What verbose log levels would be recommended? I tried all, however mythbackend's memory usage explodes and it is killed by the kernel. |
| [14:30:33] | malleus0112358: | Actually, what loglevel is responsible for 'DVBRead ThreadedFileWriter.cpp' messages? I suspect that was the cause of the memory exhaustion. |
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