| Wednesday, September 5th, 2012, 07:16 UTC | ||
| [07:16:33] | firl: | http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . tils.cpp#n30 |
| [07:16:42] | firl: | btw line 36 is wrong still |
| [07:16:50] | firl: | just sayin |
| [07:20:07] | dj_segfault: | Hi. Long shot, but here it goes: I have mythtv-backend/mythweb running on an internal box 10.1.10.150. I want to be able to get to it from the outside by setting up a reverse proxy on www.geekwith.me. I think I have it set up right, but If I go to http://10.1.10.150 it correctly redirects to http://10.1.10.150/mythweb/ but if I go to http://www.geekwith.me it redirects to http://10.1.10.150/mythwebmythweb/ |
| [07:21:27] | firl: | 75.149.142.17 is what it resolves to for me |
| [07:22:05] | dj_segfault: | That's geekwith.me (one of mydomain names that points to that static ip. |
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| [07:23:07] | firl: | so how do you expect to reach it from the outside? |
| [07:24:38] | dj_segfault: | I have a reverse proxy on www.geekwith.me from / to http://10.1.10.150/ |
| [07:28:02] | firl: | in your config you probably have an extra mythweb somewhere |
| [07:28:29] | dj_segfault: | I've been working with the folks on #httpd on this problem with the following pastebin http://pastebin.com/NP2gQ2b0# |
| [07:29:52] | firl: | isn't the proper fix, but you could probably have your inside mythweb listen on mythwebmythweb |
| [07:29:58] | firl: | and then be done with it |
| [07:30:34] | lautriv: | dj_segfault, you know that 10.1.10.150 can't be reached via internet ? |
| [07:30:55] | dj_segfault: | lautriv: Yes, that's what the reverse proxy is for |
| [07:32:54] | dj_segfault: | I asked earlier for a clean copy of mythweb.conf. The differences I have (besides the db params) are '<Directory "/var/www/html/data">' is now '<Directory "/var/www/mythweb/data">' and '<Directory "/var/www/html" >' is now '<Directory "/var/www/mythweb" >'. That's because on Ubuntu the document root is /var/www, with a symlink 'mythweb -> /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb' |
| [07:34:11] | dj_segfault: | Unfortunately this problem isn't squarely in #http or #mythtv-users, but I feel the main problem now is the redirection, so I would try here. |
| [07:34:35] | dj_segfault: | I really mean rewriting when I say redirection. Sorry. |
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| [07:40:19] | lautriv: | dj_segfault, regardless of the root of your mythweb, you should use a hostname instead IP. |
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| [07:42:36] | dj_segfault: | lautriv: Why? Nobody outside can get to that machine. If I add the 10. address to /etc/hosts on the geekwith.me box I could then put in a domain name instead of IP address, but why do you think that will make a difference? |
| [07:43:23] | lautriv: | dj_segfault, you go to geekwith.me from the web, no ? |
| [07:44:01] | dj_segfault: | Yes |
| [07:45:14] | lautriv: | dj_segfault, pointing to http://10.1.10.150 will fail |
| [07:48:29] | dj_segfault: | lautriv: I think you're missing the reverse proxy I've mentioned a couple of times. geekwith.me does not have mythtv on it. 10.1.10.150 does. However, geekwith.me has a reverse proxy configuration that will, when I get it working, take requests for geekwith.me, forward the requests on to 10.1.10.150, and send the results it gets back to the user. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_proxy |
| [07:50:23] | lautriv: | dj_segfault, we are talking about different things .... what is the resulting external url ? |
| [07:52:54] | dj_segfault: | In a perfect world I will type in http://www.geekwith.me and the reverse proxy will forward it to http://10.1.10.150, which will get rewritten in mythweb.conf to http://10.1.10.150/mythweb. The results get sent back to the proxy, and then to the client. The end result is that http://www.geekwith.me is supposed to appear as http://10.1.10.150/mythweb, but is accessible outside my network. |
| [07:55:47] | lautriv: | dj_segfault, se that part i got wrong ( had just one coffee ). but i wonder why you don't use subdirs, maybe you will provider other content on geekwith.me. |
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| [07:56:16] | lautriv: | s/der/er |
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| [08:02:04] | dj_segfault: | lautriv: I would love to do that, but when I tried, the rewrite rules in mythweb.conf worked even _worse_ |
| [08:02:38] | dj_segfault: | And it just it 4:00am here, so I have the reverse problem and will have to sign off soon. |
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| [08:05:54] | lautriv: | dj_segfault, if you redirect / it would be easier and less resource-intensive to port-forward, this way you may use geekwith.me:99 -> 10.1.10.1.150:80 and leave the apache on the external side free/unused. |
| [08:07:23] | dj_segfault: | Port forwarding would be an acceptable solution. In truth I tried that fist by setting up my cablemodem to port forward another port to 80 on that box but the box never saw the traffic. Maybe I need to port forward on my main server somehow. |
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| [13:05:51] | sphery: | makoto: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimize_mythdb.pl + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Period . . . the_Database (or you can use the MySQL utilities, with proper command-line options, to do the same, but optimize_mythdb.pl is by far the simplest approach since there are no options) |
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| [13:27:36] | fugg: | hello, i moved a card from a slave to a new master, there i have this in dmesg --> http://pastebin.com/WHP55Z4H and /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 exists. but setup reports "could not get cardinfo". what may i miss ? |
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| [13:28:47] | bergqvistjl: | I have a problem with Mythweb saying my video covers are missing. My covers are stored on an NFS folder, mounted as /mnt/coverart which is symlinked to /var/lib/mythtv/mythweb/data/video_covers |
| [13:29:00] | bergqvistjl: | and mythtv itself can write and view cover images fine |
| [13:29:05] | bergqvistjl: | but mythweb can't find them |
| [13:29:39] | bergqvistjl: | I have options to set the VideoArtworkDir in mythweb (2 of them) but i'm not sure which path to use, the symlinked video_covers one, or the raw /mnt/covers one |
| [13:30:01] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, had such thing before, check the XML for mythweb. |
| [13:30:02] | bergqvistjl: | I uploaded a cover through mythweb as a test, and that copied over correctly to the /mnt/coverart folder, but it's still not displaying the images in mythweb. |
| [13:30:11] | bergqvistjl: | how do you mean fugg? |
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| [13:31:18] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, when i had that issue, the config for mythweb did not match the links, found a difference in the xml.conf or what it was called. |
| [13:31:37] | bergqvistjl: | would that conf file be in /var/lib/mythtv/mythweb ? |
| [13:31:48] | fugg: | iirr yes |
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| [13:33:00] | bergqvistjl: | i have a mythweb.conf.apache, but that's only a sample one |
| [13:33:05] | bergqvistjl: | i can't see an xml conf anywhere |
| [13:34:11] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, lemme see if i can find mine again ... |
| [13:38:22] | bergqvistjl: | ok |
| [13:38:36] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, ah, that was config.xml and related to a frontend. |
| [13:39:05] | fugg: | it's about a year and my register is flaky ;) |
| [13:39:53] | bergqvistjl: | ok |
| [13:40:14] | bergqvistjl: | is there anything i can do? |
| [13:40:47] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, i'll see where you differ to my setup right now |
| [13:40:54] | bergqvistjl: | ok |
| [13:41:45] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, are you sure video_covers is correct ? i have coverart |
| [13:41:55] | bergqvistjl: | oh it could be coverart |
| [13:41:56] | bergqvistjl: | hang on |
| [13:43:22] | bergqvistjl: | no, that hasn't changed anything |
| [13:44:18] | fugg: | you actually changed the link ? |
| [13:44:56] | bergqvistjl: | yes |
| [13:45:23] | bergqvistjl: | whenever I upload a new cover image through mythweb, it uploads it to the correct place |
| [13:45:25] | bergqvistjl: | which is odd |
| [13:45:37] | bergqvistjl: | it's just not downloading it back so to speak |
| [13:46:00] | fugg: | ah, what distro ? |
| [13:46:37] | bergqvistjl: | Arch |
| [13:46:42] | bergqvistjl: | I've never had this problem before |
| [13:47:14] | fugg: | but mythweb runs not as mythtv user, ls -al that cover |
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| [13:48:11] | fugg: | anyone on my failing card-detection ? |
| [13:49:13] | bergqvistjl: | ok |
| [13:51:05] | bergqvistjl: | well the cover i uploaded through mythweb is owned by http |
| [13:51:14] | bergqvistjl: | but it's still saying missing cover |
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| [13:55:03] | bergqvistjl: | so odd. |
| [13:57:26] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, owned by http but at least +r for others on files ? ( and +x on all dirs in the path ) |
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| [13:58:34] | bergqvistjl: | that's the directory for video covers: lrwxrwxrwx 1 http http 14 Sep 3 22:01 video_covers -> /mnt/coverart/ |
| [13:59:09] | bergqvistjl: | and these are the 3 video artworks in question: |
| [13:59:20] | bergqvistjl: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 335730 Sep 5 14:12 1685_coverart.jpg |
| [13:59:24] | bergqvistjl: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 335730 Sep 5 14:12 1685_coverart.jpg -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 366547 Sep 5 14:11 17244_coverart.jpg |
| [13:59:25] | bergqvistjl: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 615804 Sep 5 14:12 871_coverart.jpg |
| [13:59:33] | bergqvistjl: | 4 video artworks |
| [13:59:36] | bergqvistjl: | * 3 |
| [13:59:48] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, that's the link but what gives /mnt/coverart ? |
| [14:00:15] | bergqvistjl: | that's the nfs share where my coverart is stored |
| [14:00:35] | bergqvistjl: | that is set to: drwxrwxrwx 2 65534 65534 4096 Sep 5 14:58 coverart |
| [14:00:46] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, do you no_all_squash on the mount ? |
| [14:01:06] | bergqvistjl: | not sure, that's all set up by my NAS drive |
| [14:01:08] | bergqvistjl: | why? |
| [14:01:44] | fugg: | because NFS without that option will claim any user to nobody:nogroup |
| [14:01:52] | bergqvistjl: | ok |
| [14:01:53] | bergqvistjl: | hang on |
| [14:01:54] | bergqvistjl: | i'll try and change it |
| [14:03:09] | bergqvistjl: | this is how my coverart share is configured on my NAS in /etc/exports |
| [14:03:10] | bergqvistjl: | "/Coverart" *(insecure,insecure_locks,rw) |
| [14:03:37] | bergqvistjl: | or do I have to put the no_all_squash on the FSTAB on my client? |
| [14:04:24] | bergqvistjl: | I should add, mythweb finds and plays the videos itself fine, and they're NFS'd in the same way |
| [14:04:24] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, append it to your export-options and exportfs -rv |
| [14:05:53] | bergqvistjl: | ok done, what now? |
| [14:05:56] | bergqvistjl: | restart the client? |
| [14:06:30] | fugg: | should work on the fly, otherwise restart client or umount/mount the nfs |
| [14:07:43] | bergqvistjl: | no, still says they're missing |
| [14:08:34] | bergqvistjl: | i'm sure it's just got the path wrong to display them. |
| [14:10:59] | fugg: | looks like. my myth-thingies are all owned by mythtv:mythtv |
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| [14:14:31] | bergqvistjl: | this is the error log i get from httpd when i view the videos page: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=p1FbbVUy |
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| [14:14:51] | bergqvistjl: | looks like an SQL permissions thing, but 192.168.0.2 is the server that the backend runs on anyway :S |
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| [14:19:49] | bergqvistjl: | fugg this is the error log i get from httpd when i view the videos page: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=p1FbbVUy |
| [14:21:34] | bergqvistjl: | seems odd cos mythweb can access everything else to do with my backend |
| [14:22:49] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, beside some warnings about code-problems, you have no access to the DB (mythconverg) |
| [14:23:07] | bergqvistjl: | so are those errors normal then? |
| [14:23:21] | bergqvistjl: | I don't understand it cos I can schedule recordings etc. etc. with mythweb perfectly fine |
| [14:24:16] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, there are mutiple locations where the pass is stored, i'll see if i find them ... |
| [14:24:31] | bergqvistjl: | ok |
| [14:25:11] | fugg: | the very first and obvious is /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [14:26:13] | wagnerrp: | note, that is going away in 0.26 |
| [14:27:21] | fugg: | hey wagnerrp ;) i have to go soon but maybe you have an idea about my card-setup above ? |
| [14:27:47] | bergqvistjl: | ah wait, i've solved it :D |
| [14:28:07] | bergqvistjl: | I just ran this in mysql: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv' WITH GRANT OPTION FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [14:28:22] | bergqvistjl: | but with localhost replaced by the 192.168.0.2 it was complaining about |
| [14:28:46] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [14:29:02] | wagnerrp: | bergqvistjl: consider the video library in mythweb broken |
| [14:29:06] | fugg: | bergqvistjl, i was on the way to talk about this, on your own network you may use 'mythtv'@'%' |
| [14:29:15] | wagnerrp: | dont bother much trying to fix your configuration |
| [14:29:35] | bergqvistjl: | ok |
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| [14:30:49] | bergqvistjl: | well i've fixed it now Wagnerrp :P |
| [14:31:46] | fugg: | ok, i have to go but maybe someone can give me a hint, will repeat my last question and be back in approx. 5h |
| [14:31:51] | fugg: | hello, i moved a card from a slave to a new master, there i have this in dmesg --> http://pastebin.com/WHP55Z4H and /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 exists. but setup reports "could not get cardinfo". what may i miss ? |
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| [14:32:26] | wagnerrp: | maybe the card is already open? |
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| [14:54:26] | dekarl: | fugg, sounds a bit like http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10830#comment:9 |
| [14:55:37] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: seen this? http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-09-05:07:16:33 |
| [14:56:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, he PM'd me the same thing |
| [14:56:08] | dekarl: | ok |
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| [14:59:45] | dekarl: | btw, can you change #10784 to patch – feature? |
| [14:59:45] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10784 ** | |
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| [16:08:05] | smoothifier: | I'm getting strange behavior when scanning for videos in mythfrontend. See http://pastebin.com/bB2JkxAC for details |
| [16:09:33] | smoothifier: | basically, the scan seems to be corrupted. all i can think is that an update to mysql or a supporting program must have done it as I haven't seen this before about a week ago. |
| [16:10:09] | smoothifier: | I can remove the videos and then re-add them with a scan and that fixes it until i get new content |
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| [16:26:31] | MitchCapper: | Across the bottom of the picture there is a small line of like noise or something similar that I see what would cause something like that? |
| [16:27:04] | MitchCapper: | i used to assume this was cc or other data but im guessing not any more |
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| [16:39:29] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: what exactly is the strange behavior? |
| [16:40:20] | wagnerrp: | oh, that you have the 'storage' stuff mixed in... |
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| [16:48:34] | smoothifier: | wagnerrp: right. it's showing the newest nodes on the tree, and then adding the rest of the tree to the root |
| [16:49:32] | smoothifier: | i haven't scanned it yet to fix the problem if there's some way of dumping the nodes (if that would even help) |
| [16:50:34] | wagnerrp: | my guess... some kind of artifact from 'file browse mode' |
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| [16:51:05] | smoothifier: | i don't think i've run that... but, possibly i suppose |
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| [16:51:39] | smoothifier: | should i just chmod 000 /storage/videos/samba and rescan? |
| [16:52:14] | smoothifier: | then back to 755 and scan again? |
| [16:53:09] | wagnerrp: | would be a good option |
| [16:53:25] | wagnerrp: | flush everything and start fresh |
| [16:53:34] | smoothifier: | that's what i did last time. see if this happens again :/ |
| [16:53:36] | smoothifier: | heheh |
| [16:53:45] | wagnerrp: | would be better if it werent on CIFS to be honest |
| [16:53:51] | smoothifier: | it's not |
| [16:54:07] | smoothifier: | it's a local directory. ti's called samba because i share it to other comptuers |
| [16:54:40] | smoothifier: | /storage/videos/samba is its own partition |
| [16:55:09] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what affect crossing partitions like that has on the scanner |
| [16:55:14] | wagnerrp: | it *shouldnt* be a problem, but... |
| [16:55:40] | wagnerrp: | actually, now, ive got my stuff crossing partitions multiple times with no issue |
| [16:55:44] | wagnerrp: | so scratch that |
| [16:55:58] | smoothifier: | it's not quite clear the way i've done things |
| [16:56:16] | smoothifier: | really, /storage/videos/samba should be /storage/videos |
| [16:56:30] | smoothifier: | i guess |
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| [17:02:33] | smoothifier: | ok, thanks wagnerrp — I'm off to grab some lunch. Hopefully, this will fix it. :) |
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| [17:05:59] | loganrun: | is it possible to have both HDMI sound output and analog |
| [17:06:20] | loganrun: | I saw the options to choose either, but not sure about both |
| [17:06:29] | wagnerrp: | only if you route sound through a custom ALSA device that duplicates audio to both |
| [17:06:44] | loganrun: | do you have one of those handy |
| [17:06:58] | wagnerrp: | it is possible, but i dont know nearly enough about also configuration (or really anything) to tell you how |
| [17:07:05] | wagnerrp: | s/also/alsa/ |
| [17:07:43] | wagnerrp: | you're better off having your HDMI device bounce audio to whatever your analog device is |
| [17:08:38] | loganrun: | audio is going into a receiver, but the audio on HDMI is pass through only, but for my second zone I need analog |
| [17:09:03] | wagnerrp: | use the second zone on your receiver |
| [17:09:10] | loganrun: | I use both |
| [17:09:20] | wagnerrp: | so this would be a third zone |
| [17:09:38] | loganrun: | for the primary zone the HDMI audio is decoded, but not for zone 2 |
| [17:09:55] | loganrun: | yes, but it is pass through also |
| [17:10:54] | loganrun: | well not a big deal, I guess I can always toggle it if need be, it is in one of the menus |
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| [17:24:51] | loganrun: | is there an easy way to remote control mythtv with Iphone |
| [17:25:06] | loganrun: | isn't always convenient to have the IR remote around |
| [17:26:11] | wagnerrp: | there are applications for iOS that can interface with the control socket, and the services API controls |
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| [17:32:57] | loganrun: | the app say I need to enable the network interface on mythtv frontend, any idea where that is |
| [17:33:30] | wagnerrp: | not off hand, likely in the frontend settings |
| [17:33:37] | wagnerrp: | someplace general |
| [17:33:40] | loganrun: | ok looking |
| [17:36:38] | loganrun: | o.k. found it, under settings general, wonder if I have to restart or something after that |
| [17:36:44] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:36:57] | wagnerrp: | is this a dedicated frontend? or a combo machine? |
| [17:37:21] | loganrun: | combo machine |
| [17:37:38] | wagnerrp: | what IP address did you configure for that profile in mythtv-setup? |
| [17:37:56] | loganrun: | not sure |
| [17:38:13] | loganrun: | could be the local IP |
| [17:38:13] | wagnerrp: | is it possible you left it as the default, 127.0.0.1? |
| [17:38:33] | loganrun: | hmm let me shut things down and rerun setup to check |
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| [17:38:48] | wagnerrp: | just open setup, no need to shut things down |
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| [17:44:03] | loganrun: | seems like a restart may have done it |
| [17:44:39] | loganrun: | well the app at least things it is connected, though it doesn't seem to do anything so far |
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| [17:45:41] | wagnerrp: | could i see the first couple dozen lines of logs from mythfrontend? |
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| [17:48:25] | loganrun: | o.k. my mistake, looks like it is o.k., pretty cool, no lag like with IR |
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| [17:52:49] | loganrun: | definately worth a look if you have an iphone |
| [17:54:49] | wagnerrp: | theres a more advanced one for pay on the app store, with streaming capabilities |
| [17:54:58] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know if that will continue to be maintained in the future |
| [17:55:46] | caelor: | do we know if there's an intention for it to support both torc and mythtv, or only torc as the codebases (presumably) diverge? |
| [17:56:10] | wagnerrp: | that would be a question for iamlindoro |
| [17:56:20] | wagnerrp: | torc is restarting completely from fresh |
| [17:56:39] | caelor: | indeed. I've not checked in on progress with it lately |
| [17:57:13] | caelor: | last I checked they seemed to be trying to evolve by rewriting huge chunks of code, effectively using the original code to bootstrap them into a working system while they developed fresh |
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| [18:07:52] | EvilGuru: | Hmm, upgrading to 0.26 on the DB side of things looks like a real PITA |
| [18:09:32] | wagnerrp: | primarily just the shift from local timezone to UTC |
| [18:10:11] | EvilGuru: | It make sense, just MySQL enjoys being timezone inept in most installs |
| [18:10:36] | wagnerrp: | merely because most distros dont bother making it not-inept in their packages |
| [18:11:00] | wagnerrp: | its basically a one-liner to load the relevant data out of the timezone files |
| [18:11:27] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: For a user, but for a distro they need to start running it every time tzinfo changes |
| [18:11:50] | EvilGuru: | I am guessing they are currently not prepared for that |
| [18:11:53] | wagnerrp: | how often does that actually happen though? |
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| [18:12:00] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: 8–9 times a year |
| [18:12:23] | wagnerrp: | areas are changing their timezones that often? |
| [18:13:11] | EvilGuru: | [ebuild R ] sys-libs/timezone-data-2012e |
| [18:13:17] | wagnerrp: | i mean the EST/EDT zone im using has data for all ~80 years of UNIX time, forward and backward |
| [18:14:09] | EvilGuru: | I think it got to k last year, and so if the MySQL tz stuff is to stay in sync hooks are required |
| [18:14:10] | sphery: | EvilGuru: but no sane application stores local time--we were told this by users--so we had to switch to UTC |
| [18:14:30] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Sure, I am just more used to doing it at the application level |
| [18:14:48] | wagnerrp: | i have the python bindings operating at the local level |
| [18:15:02] | sphery: | and because MythTV is an application that needs to work with primarily-local-time data--program listings--we need MySQL to be able to do conversion from our new storage format (UTC) to the listings/scheduling time format (local time) |
| [18:15:14] | wagnerrp: | i figured it was easier to parse the timezones and do my own conversions |
| [18:15:29] | wagnerrp: | rather than rewriting a whole bunch of SQL to properly convert the timezones |
| [18:15:41] | sphery: | i.e. when you create a timeslot rule to record from 8–9pm, you probably don't want to delete it and recreate it every time DST changes occur |
| [18:15:46] | wagnerrp: | not to mention i needed to do so anyway for the responses from the backend and services api |
| [18:15:55] | EvilGuru: | sphery: I do a lot of stuff in finance and have similar issues (want UTC in the DB), but have always prefered app-level conversions |
| [18:16:09] | sphery: | EvilGuru: all that needs to happen is updating the tzinfo data when your particular time zone is changed |
| [18:16:25] | sphery: | (which, for the US, has happened once in the last 7 years or so) |
| [18:16:38] | EvilGuru: | sphery: I know, it is just getting distributions to do that on behalf of users |
| [18:16:40] | sphery: | it's irrelevant whether the other time zone info is current or not if you don't use it |
| [18:16:59] | wagnerrp: | what hes saying is that at the distribution level, they need to update things any time _any_ timezone changes |
| [18:17:40] | sphery: | yeah, for maximum safety, that's best |
| [18:17:55] | wagnerrp: | its not a one-time load for mysql |
| [18:18:06] | wagnerrp: | there would need to be some tie in that would update it any time things changed |
| [18:18:32] | sphery: | but since distros haven't traditionally accepted responsibility for installing/updating MySQL time zone info, one could argue that it's the user's problem keeping it up to date |
| [18:19:12] | EvilGuru: | sphery: It is a fair argument, but with MythTV being the first app to make strong use of MySQL timezones it is going to be an issue in waiting |
| [18:19:13] | sphery: | ideally, though, the tzdata packages would handle updating mysql tz info if mysql is installed (and/or if mysql tz info is installed) |
| [18:20:05] | sphery: | EvilGuru: yeah, I completely agree with you--and my argument is really just a complaint about the change in general |
| [18:20:19] | EvilGuru: | I am kind of annoyed that distros do not do it currently |
| [18:20:51] | EvilGuru: | And knowing MySQL it may well matter what DB user runs the insert/parser script |
| [18:21:06] | sphery: | I've been against the idea of storing UTC since I wrote the time zone check code and realized that what's important in MythTV is not what time it is now, but what time it has been since the first recording/program listing and into the future for as long as the MythTV system will be used |
| [18:21:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the standard user does not even have read access to the timezone tables, much less write |
| [18:21:23] | sphery: | but since users just think time zone is about what time it is now, they argued loudly to change it |
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| [18:21:40] | wagnerrp: | unless the distro set up some custom user for that specific purpose, it would have to be root |
| [18:21:49] | sphery: | so now, instead of having an issue 2 times a year when DST changes occur, we have issues throughout the entire year |
| [18:22:02] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: I think Debian create an admin user for this kind of stuff, but it is distro specific |
| [18:22:09] | sphery: | including the issue of having to use MySQL to do conversions (and, therefore, having to keep MySQL tz data updated) |
| [18:22:28] | EvilGuru: | Then to make things even more fun users will start of doing it themselves, complain about it, distros will start doing it and something will clash |
| [18:22:35] | sphery: | not to mention having to store more-complex sql to handle "record it at 7pm" type stuff |
| [18:22:36] | wagnerrp: | why do all these users always complain about problems where VNC conflicts with their local X server? |
| [18:22:37] | EvilGuru: | *start off |
| [18:23:08] | wagnerrp: | does no one realize that the NORMAL behavior of VNC is to run its own independent X server? |
| [18:23:27] | EvilGuru: | sphery: What are the current issues with non-UTC in the DB? |
| [18:23:31] | wagnerrp: | and that tying it into the local X server is both some non-standard behavior and completely unnecessary? |
| [18:23:42] | sphery: | you're thinking like a *nix guy, wagnerrp ... Obviously you've never used the /real/ VNC, WinVNC |
| [18:23:56] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: twice a year, a handful of users have issues recording content that falls across the DST change |
| [18:24:20] | sphery: | after all, there's only one gui on a computer--next thing you'll be telling me is that computers can somehow run multiple programs at the same time, too |
| [18:24:43] | wagnerrp: | of course they can, thats why people invented virtual machines, to pull off that feat |
| [18:24:56] | wagnerrp: | the wonders of the multitasking hypervisor |
| [18:25:11] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: That I annoying I guess, but am not entirely convinced given how much work UTC in the DB appears to require |
| [18:25:22] | sphery: | EvilGuru: yes, 2 times a year (in areas that use DST), there's an ambiguity in time specification when using local times, so users have to think before creating rules for recordings that start/end on the DST switch boundary or that span that boundary |
| [18:25:27] | wagnerrp: | that is annoying to a very small number of users |
| [18:25:37] | wagnerrp: | since honestly, who is recording crap at 2AM anyway... |
| [18:25:43] | fafa88: | someone also complained about leap secs. |
| [18:25:48] | EvilGuru: | I was about to say that the change is normally in the morning |
| [18:26:04] | wagnerrp: | but every time there is a switch over, one or two people have problems and complain on the mailing list |
| [18:26:08] | EvilGuru: | fafa88: Don't get me started on leap seconds, the last one cost me a nights sleep |
| [18:26:37] | sphery: | i.e. for spring forward, you need to add a 1-hr end late or whatever |
| [18:26:49] | devinheitmueller: | EvilGuru: a whole night? But it's only *one second*! |
| [18:27:07] | sphery: | and you should have gotten 1s extra sleep that night! |
| [18:27:11] | wagnerrp: | and when that happens, all the denizens come out of the woodwork to expouse their real ultimate knowledge about how mythtv _should_ work |
| [18:27:19] | ** sphery was abnormally well rested that day ** | |
| [18:27:27] | ** devinheitmueller breaks out his pitchfork.... ** | |
| [18:27:35] | sphery: | (of course, not a single one of my GNU/Linux boxes hit the leap second bug) |
| [18:27:41] | EvilGuru: | I agree that in most situations dates in the DB should be UTC, but MythTV DBs operate in one timezone only |
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| [18:27:50] | wagnerrp: | fafa88: the issue with that last leap second was not that times were wrong |
| [18:28:01] | wagnerrp: | but that it caused a glitch in all sorts of software |
| [18:28:09] | sphery: | EvilGuru: yeah, the biggest problem is that TV broadcasts operate in local time |
| [18:28:14] | wagnerrp: | and idle waits became busy loops |
| [18:28:28] | sphery: | so when you're creating rules for recording TV broadcasts, they should be in local time |
| [18:28:37] | devinheitmueller: | We should just use stardates for everything. |
| [18:28:39] | wagnerrp: | it was not a "proper" leap second, it really had nothing to do with proper time keeping |
| [18:28:44] | wagnerrp: | it was a bug |
| [18:28:48] | sphery: | which means that when you have listings stored in UTC, you have to do conversions--which means you can't specify actual times in the rules |
| [18:29:01] | EvilGuru: | This may sound silly, but can the UTC stuff be reverted? Or reconsidered? |
| [18:29:05] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: +1 on stardates |
| [18:29:15] | ** sphery would love to get rid of time zones, completely ** | |
| [18:29:20] | sphery: | one standard time for all of earth |
| [18:29:29] | wagnerrp: | im all for going to UTC everywhere |
| [18:29:35] | sphery: | (and we'll conquer the rest of the solar system/galaxy/universe later) |
| [18:30:14] | sphery: | people just can't handle the idea of, "I'll set my alarm for 4pm and have breakfast at 5pm so I can get an early start at work at 6pm." |
| [18:30:47] | sphery: | so I'll just settle for getting rid of DST |
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| [18:31:21] | devinheitmueller: | It amazes me that somebody decided it was better to *redefine* 9am rather than just have a date at which point everybody starts working at 8am. |
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| [18:31:59] | EvilGuru: | I know Qt does not have great tz support, but it can go from local to UTC and back again IIRC |
| [18:32:15] | fafa88: | devinheitmueller: humans work better following the sun. |
| [18:32:33] | devinheitmueller: | fafa88: tell that to everybody who works the overnight shift. |
| [18:33:33] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: hehe, yeah... There's a certain browser that runs on only one OS, and I happen to know of a particular bug in that browser that causes some data in HTTP responses marked to disallow caching to be cached, anyway. Rather than fix the browser, the vendor--who also makes an operating system--"fixed" the operating system to make it so that you can't see the leaked files unless you really know what you're doing and look at ... |
| [18:33:39] | sphery: | ... the filesystem structures without using the OS's normal file system tools |
| [18:34:23] | sphery: | I see that as basically the same--rather than fixing the problem, just redefine the environment |
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| [18:41:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why anyone would want to start work at 9am anyway |
| [18:41:08] | wagnerrp: | thats a terrible time of the day |
| [18:41:54] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: what is your preferred time? |
| [18:42:27] | wagnerrp: | id rather go in early, and not have to deal with rush hour from all the sheep going to work at 9am... or sleep in and stay late |
| [18:42:44] | wizbit: | ok |
| [18:43:01] | wagnerrp: | everyone going to work at the same time, having coordinated shifts like that... its just a bad idea |
| [18:43:03] | ** EvilGuru comes in late and stays late and saves a fortune on train tickets ** | |
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| [18:43:49] | wagnerrp: | any "professional" is going to come in whatever hours they need to in order to get their allotted work done, so scheduled hours are meaningless |
| [18:44:41] | wagnerrp: | anyone who works a specific shift, its much better to have individual workers cycle through at differing times of the day, so you dont have any one single low point in operation |
| [18:46:16] | wagnerrp: | train tickets are cheaper at off hours? |
| [18:46:28] | EvilGuru: | 40% where I am |
| [18:46:58] | wagnerrp: | wooo! "ubisoft has announced that it will no longer use always-online drm for its pc games" |
| [18:48:00] | wagnerrp: | "the truth of it, they're more inconvenient to our paying customers, so in listening to our players, we removed them" |
| [18:48:17] | wagnerrp: | can it be? a glimmer of sense? |
| [18:53:47] | kormoc: | just wait till after the first one is released |
| [18:58:17] | wagnerrp: | In other news, Ubisoft announces its games are now free for download online. Its games will now require a purchasable USB dongle to play. The dongle has a radio clock, and requires pickup from a time beacon to allow the game to operate, and includes a pyrotechnic charge and self destructs one year after first use. |
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| [20:14:03] | fugg: | hi again ;) any hints why mythbackend-setup may spit a "could not get cardinfo" while modules,dmesg and /dev are fine ? i thought about 2 things a.) firmware b.) other code but that would be "unable to open", |
| [20:14:26] | wagnerrp: | what user are you running `mythtv-setup` as? |
| [20:14:58] | fugg: | root via ssh |
| [20:15:50] | wagnerrp: | meaning you `ssh` into the machine, `su` to root, and then redirect mythtv-setup's DISPLAY to your local X server? |
| [20:16:56] | fugg: | nah, i am root and ssh -fCX thathost taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup |
| [20:17:34] | wagnerrp: | nonsense, surely no sensible default configuration would let you SSH into root |
| [20:17:49] | wagnerrp: | also, taskset was only necessary due to some bug in 0.22, you havent had to do that in some time |
| [20:18:23] | wagnerrp: | and you shouldnt be running mythtv-setup as root anyway, you should be running it as whatever user is going to be running mythbackend |
| [20:18:39] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, a whole bunch of permissions and access checks dont function properly |
| [20:19:19] | wagnerrp: | when you say "/dev" are fine, is that /dev/video0? or /dev/dvb/adapter0? |
| [20:19:28] | fugg: | wagnerrp, worked always, even on the same version and the old master. |
| [20:20:07] | wagnerrp: | it will work, im saying there are a number of sanity checks that mythtv-setup performs to ensure mythbackend will function properly |
| [20:20:33] | wagnerrp: | when you run mythtv-setup as root, who has permission to everything, a number of those sanity checks performed are now meaningless |
| [20:20:59] | fugg: | wagnerrp, the card in question asking for /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 which was vreated, i have also /dev/video0 which is not nused. |
| [20:21:31] | wagnerrp: | you set it up as a DVB type? and mythtv autodetected the device? |
| [20:21:56] | fugg: | yes, i selected dvb and it was showing up, just with this cardid-error |
| [20:22:19] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin your mythtv-setup logs? |
| [20:22:34] | fugg: | if there are some ... |
| [20:23:12] | wagnerrp: | it logs to the terminal you ran it from by default |
| [20:25:33] | fugg: | ok, found something else in mythvackend.log, there is "Device or resource busy" but nothing else up o.O |
| [20:26:18] | wagnerrp: | you just ran mythtv-setup directly, so there should be no mythbackend.log, you didnt tell it to log to any file |
| [20:26:26] | wagnerrp: | the only logs should be those in the terminal |
| [20:27:13] | fugg: | will invoke it again to get all messages. |
| [20:28:46] | fugg: | FE_GET_INFO ioctl failed (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 is obv. the related part. |
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| [20:58:43] | fugg: | will check it tomorrow, night all. |
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| [22:01:19] | dekarl: | fugg, did you check the link I posted when you first asked? It has references to the linux bug and bugfix... |
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| [22:52:37] | makoto: | the fonts on my mythfrontend are absolutely huge. i understand mythtv was made for large screens, but i'm runnign it on a small 14" monitor at my desk, and I'd like to turn the fonts down a bit. has anyone acomplished this? is it easy? |
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| [23:04:08] | makoto: | another one thats bugging me too, is there a script out there that finds SIDs that match up to freesat channel numbers and then renumbers them all? |
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| [00:30:09] | malelan: | has anyone had their video library suddenly "disappear" ever? |
| [00:31:52] | wagnerrp: | its only going to disappear if you issue a scan |
| [00:32:17] | wagnerrp: | and then it will only disappear if the backend registered for that content is online, and the content is not available |
| [00:33:39] | malelan: | well |
| [00:33:45] | malelan: | i entered videos from a frontend and it basically said |
| [00:33:47] | malelan: | there are no videos |
| [00:33:51] | malelan: | so i did what any sane person would do |
| [00:33:52] | malelan: | and went into the db |
| [00:33:56] | malelan: | all my metadata stuff is in there |
| [00:34:02] | malelan: | i certainly dont want to scan or i'll lose everything |
| [00:34:10] | malelan: | i guess my question is, whats the debug path to find out what happened here |
| [00:34:16] | malelan: | physically the files are there, same spot |
| [00:34:24] | wagnerrp: | the frontend should only be displaying content as listed in the database |
| [00:34:24] | malelan: | backend/frontend logs yield nothing of value |
| [00:34:42] | wagnerrp: | if nothing shows up in the frontend, yet videometadata in the database is populated |
| [00:34:43] | malelan: | the content is defintely listed in the database, not sure why thats not making it to my frontend |
| [00:34:53] | wagnerrp: | is it possible your frontend is operating on a different database? |
| [00:35:31] | malelan: | i didnt make any changes for that to happen, that and the fact that there isnt really a valid myth database anywhere on my network i'd assume backend/frontend would throw all sorts of errors if it tried to connect to something non-myth |
| [00:35:43] | malelan: | oddly enough |
| [00:35:48] | malelan: | videos show in mythweb |
| [00:36:44] | malelan: | so this seems to be narrowed down to a frontend db problem |
| [00:36:55] | wagnerrp: | well there should only one database |
| [00:37:00] | wagnerrp: | not a "frontend db" |
| [00:37:03] | malelan: | i've launched frontend from a terminal with -v but dont see any db connection (success or errors) |
| [00:37:16] | wagnerrp: | frontend, backend, mythweb, everything is supposed to use one singular databaes |
| [00:37:43] | malelan: | yeah |
| [00:37:47] | malelan: | only have one db on the server |
| [00:37:52] | malelan: | so there should be no confusion here |
| [00:38:02] | malelan: | everything was definitely rock solid before, didnt change anything database related |
| [00:39:12] | malelan: | ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is definitely up to date |
| [00:41:11] | malelan: | of course this all happened because i added 'the hunger games' to the database for my wife. |
| [00:41:29] | malelan: | most likely unrelated but i'm certainly blaming that garbage |
| [00:42:27] | wagnerrp: | any chance you have "file browse" mode enabled? |
| [00:42:35] | wagnerrp: | if your frontend is connected to the right database |
| [00:42:46] | wagnerrp: | that's the only reason you would not be seeing that content |
| [00:42:56] | wagnerrp: | either that, or you enabled some filter, that filters everything |
| [00:43:07] | malelan: | no, i'm not seeing ANY content, everything that was there earlier is gone |
| [00:43:15] | malelan: | basically says, there are no videos, would you like to scan |
| [00:44:36] | wagnerrp: | you can always perform a database dump, scan, and see what happens |
| [00:44:55] | malelan: | already done |
| [00:44:57] | malelan: | when i scan |
| [00:45:00] | malelan: | it finds nothing |
| [00:45:09] | malelan: | even though my paths are correct and there are valid physical video files in the locations |
| [00:45:20] | wagnerrp: | is this a remote or local frontend? |
| [00:45:24] | malelan: | its local |
| [00:45:42] | wagnerrp: | any chance you're running with a user with no file permissions to those folders? |
| [00:45:59] | malelan: | lets check that |
| [00:46:27] | wagnerrp: | the scanner will call out to remote backends for remote machines |
| [00:46:36] | wagnerrp: | but any content on the local machine, it performs the scan itself |
| [00:46:44] | wagnerrp: | so file permissions can screw you |
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| [00:47:00] | wagnerrp: | is the content local to that machine, or is it on some remote network mount? |
| [00:47:31] | malelan: | my setup is pretty simple, there are no remote backends or frontends, its just one box, db/backend/frontend local |
| [00:47:36] | malelan: | all the files are on local drives |
| [00:47:40] | malelan: | its all local |
| [00:47:48] | wagnerrp: | linux native filesystem? |
| [00:47:49] | malelan: | permissions look ok too |
| [00:47:52] | malelan: | yeah its ext3 |
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| [00:49:48] | wagnerrp: | in the frontend, watch videos, theres a 'filter display' in the 'm' menu |
| [00:49:51] | wagnerrp: | any of those turned on? |
| [00:50:01] | wagnerrp: | or are they all set to "All" |
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| [00:50:08] | tgm4883: | Where is the list of mythtv parts that coorispond to the different developers? I'm trying to find out who to talk to about the services api? |
| [00:50:28] | malelan: | lets check that out |
| [00:50:29] | wagnerrp: | if its the general API framework, thats david blain |
| [00:50:45] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, there's probably half a dozen people who have had their fingers in it |
| [00:50:49] | tgm4883: | heh |
| [00:51:12] | malelan: | haha |
| [00:51:13] | malelan: | filter |
| [00:51:16] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I'd like some added functionality. It seems if I want to get a list of shows, I have to get all the shows |
| [00:51:17] | malelan: | wtf |
| [00:51:44] | tgm4883: | and I'm willing to take a look at it and see if we can create and submit a patch |
| [00:51:44] | malelan: | somebody was filtering on something retarded (me) |
| [00:52:06] | malelan: | thanks man, your steps really helped put things into perspective for me |
| [00:53:17] | tgm4883: | minimally I'd like to add some optional components to GetRecordedList |
| [00:53:38] | tgm4883: | perhaps just allowing it to return a specific title |
| [00:53:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i just pulled that up, was trying to figure out what command you were using |
| [00:54:32] | wagnerrp: | so you're looking for something in the fashion of MythDB().searchRecorded() in the python bindings? |
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| [00:55:14] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I haven't looked at that, but probably yea |
| [00:55:26] | tgm4883: | so rather than return all recordings, return just the ones that are <title> |
| [00:57:41] | tgm4883: | although not crucial, returning less data would help as well |
| [00:57:57] | tgm4883: | so perhaps something that returns only all recorded show titles |
| [00:58:32] | tgm4883: | IDK if it's my wireless or my netbook, but it takes a long time to return the full list right now |
| [00:58:33] | wagnerrp: | right.... certainly useful if you're trying to access this remotely over the internet, like it was intended to do |
| [00:58:39] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [00:59:07] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt be surprised if it simply took a long time for a netbook to process a huge XML file |
| [00:59:32] | tgm4883: | which is why it would be nicer for it to return a smaller list of titles only |
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| [01:29:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | tgm4883, you want GetFilteredRecordedList which can take a title, recgroup, or storage group as a filter. |
| [01:29:43] | tgm4883: | Captain_Murdoch, that is exactly what I want :) |
| [01:29:48] | tgm4883: | is that a Dvr service? |
| [01:29:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes |
| [01:30:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | GetRecordedList actually calls GetFilteredRecordedList with no filters. :) |
| [01:30:35] | tgm4883: | sweet |
| [01:30:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | except the startindex and count. |
| [01:30:54] | tgm4883: | I need to remember to check the wsdl on the backend rather than the wiki |
| [01:32:19] | tgm4883: | Captain_Murdoch, there doesn't happen to be a "return only titles" option is there? |
| [01:33:16] | tgm4883: | at a top level, that would be all I need until someone drills down |
| [01:33:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | tgm4883, not that I know of although I've debated adding one. I'm working on modifying the roku app to use the services API and I've already added a GetRecGroupList() to help with that. |
| [01:34:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | makes sense to just get a stringlist to use to then filter by. |
| [01:34:20] | tgm4883: | yea it just seems like a lot of data that something like the roku (or my unity scope) wouldn't use |
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| [01:35:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep. I first actually set it up using the scripting language on the backend, but now am debating just redoing the brightscript and having the roku talk directly to the API instead of having scripts running on the backend creating xml specifically for the roku. |
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| [01:36:38] | tgm4883: | that seems like a better solution than having multiple services on the backend providing the same data |
| [01:36:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | wait, there already is a GetTitleList(). :) |
| [01:36:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | does select distinct title from recorded; |
| [01:37:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | so there ya go! |
| [01:37:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | done, enhancement request closed (by someone else, probably Robert) |
| [01:38:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | I don't think he used Recording Groups, or else he might have added one of those also. |
| [01:38:17] | tgm4883: | Captain_Murdoch, and that is part of the Dvr services API as well? |
| [01:38:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes |
| [01:38:32] | tgm4883: | cause I don't actually see that listed when I link at the wsdl links |
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| [01:39:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | hmm, maybe I added it and forgot. :) |
| [01:39:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | let me diff. |
| [01:39:11] | tgm4883: | http://ares:6544/Dvr/GetTitleList |
| [01:39:14] | tgm4883: | that doesn't work for me |
| [01:39:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | nevermind, I added that in my tree. :) |
| [01:39:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | sorry about that. |
| [01:39:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | so it's been thought about and will go in after we release, but too late for 0.26. |
| [01:40:08] | tgm4883: | ok |
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| [01:56:13] | tgm4883: | Captain_Murdoch, how is the getfilteredrecordedlist suppose to filter on title? I've tried a range of things, but it's returning quite a long list of unrelated stuff |
| [01:56:22] | tgm4883: | eg GetFilteredRecordedList?Title=royal%20pains |
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| [02:08:46] | tgm4883: | If I use TitleRegEx=royal%20pains it tells me there are 7 available, but doesn't tell me any info about them |
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| [05:22:36] | fafa88: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11071 |
| [05:24:08] | wagnerrp: | im guessing that one is pointed at me? |
| [05:25:33] | fafa88: | nope, accidently pasted. |
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| [05:44:40] | monkeypet69: | wow, my oldest tv recording is from 2004! |
| [05:44:55] | monkeypet69: | 8 yrs of using mythtv. |
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| [05:46:57] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say you were like user #10 on the wiki |
| [05:46:57] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10 ** | |
| [05:47:06] | wagnerrp: | but i cant actually find your account on the wiki |
| [05:47:29] | wagnerrp: | i know you are referenced in there a decent amount, did you never follow the transfer to the new server? |
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