Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 20th, 2012, 10:26 UTC

[10:26:52]

lxs-makoto:

hey guys, i'm really struggling to get my mythtv box to work. I'm still at the setting up stage, trying to get myth to see my tuner card

[10:27:21]

lxs-makoto:

its worked before, but all its giving me now is FE_GET_INFO ioctl failed (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)

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[10:34:53]

dekarl:

lxs-makoto: which driver is that? I vaguely remember some drivers not liking the way mythtv-setup probes the frontend

[10:35:20]

dekarl:

and whats the line following "ioctl failed"?

[10:39:32]

lxs-makoto:

cx23880

[10:39:53]

lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 11:39:38.529602 E FE_GET_INFO ioctl failed (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) eno: No such device (19)

[10:39:56]

lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 11:39:38.531023 W DiSEqCDevTree: No device tree for cardid 1

[10:40:20]

lxs-makoto:

the device is there, i can see it.

[10:40:23]

lxs-makoto:

[makoto@lxs-yutaka ~]$ ls /dev/dvb/adapter0/

[10:40:25]

lxs-makoto:

demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0

[10:41:06]

dekarl:

"eno: No such device (19)" is what I've been looking for.

[10:41:17]

lxs-makoto:

ah

[10:41:26]

lxs-makoto:

what does it mean?

[10:41:46]

dekarl:

there was a race condition added to the kernel where opening, closing and quickly reopening the frontend would result in that error

[10:42:16]

dekarl:

so its a driver bug, sadly devinheitmueller isn't here at the moment, maybe he'd knew a workaround

[10:42:41]

lxs-makoto:

ouch, ok.

[10:43:40]

lxs-makoto:

in that case. how does one open a dvbs2 stream in mplayer?

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[10:45:03]

dekarl:

btw, for a DVB-S(2) device you need to configure a diseqc tree.

[10:46:15]

lxs-makoto:

hmm, yeah, not sure how to do that with mplayer

[10:47:09]

dekarl:

I have no first hand experience with DVB-S(2) or mplayer, sorry

[10:47:28]

lxs-makoto:

ok, thanks anyways

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[11:02:18]

dekarl:

lxs-makoto: devinheitmueller: I still suspect this patch to be the root cause in the driver http://git.linuxtv.org/media_tree.git/commitd . . . ebdeaecabd56 the checks that lead to "return -ENODEV" should be equal in my opinion. (both should be exit == DVB_FE_DEVICE_REMOVED)

[11:03:45]

dekarl:

after all, if we can open it, it should not report "no device" when issuing the ioctl call

[11:04:53]

lxs-makoto:

is it still in the latest kernels?

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[11:12:08]

dekarl:

I think its only in "recent" kernels...

[11:13:30]

lxs-makoto:

linux-3.3.6–1 ?

[11:14:19]

dekarl:

It was added to the linuxtv development tree 2 years ago and has not been changed yet. so yes very likely

[11:15:06]

lxs-makoto:

ohh

[11:15:29]

dekarl:

maybe someone over at linuxtv knows more about it

[11:15:49]

lxs-makoto:

what can i do to work around it? find the code in the kernel and try hack around it?

[11:16:43]

dekarl:

maybe trying multiple times in mythtv-setup (enter/leave device screen) is enough, I don't know. But yes, patching the kernel likely will help to. But that's outside of my area of expertise

[11:17:06]

lxs-makoto:

its definitely outside mine.

[11:17:38]

lxs-makoto:

its annoying, it worked in ubuntu, but i know they do stuff to the kernel anyways

[11:23:37]

sphery:

haven't read backlog, but why not just use *buntu, then?

[11:24:00]

lxs-makoto:

because I don't have enough hard drives

[11:25:31]

dekarl:

sphery: the issue likely came along with some kernel updates in the last 6–12 month, nothing to do with *buntu something else :) (I'm just making up numbers as I have no idea how long it takes to linxutv changes to end up in a released production kernel)

[11:25:33]

lxs-makoto:

that, and i have a fairly established arch linux installation on this drive

[11:25:51]

lxs-makoto:

actually

[11:25:53]

lxs-makoto:

that would make sense

[11:26:05]

lxs-makoto:

as the last time i tried this card was about a year ago

[11:26:13]

dekarl:

going back to a late 2010/early 2011 kernel will likely make the issue go away

[11:26:17]

lxs-makoto:

i gave up because itegrated gfx suck

[11:30:05]

dekarl:

lxs-makoto: just an idea, try running femon on the device in question in parallel to mythtv-setup to avoid the driver shutting down the frontend when mythtv-setup closes the device

[11:36:39]

lxs-makoto:

omg

[11:36:49]

lxs-makoto:

i love you so much right now

[11:36:54]

lxs-makoto:

:D

[11:38:01]

dekarl:

it worked?

[11:39:01]

lxs-makoto:

to some extent, yes

[11:39:15]

lxs-makoto:

not havinh much luck scanning for channels a t the moment

[11:39:34]

lxs-makoto:

should i kill femon off now?

[11:39:38]

dekarl:

hmm, lets see. you setup the diseqc tree in setup, right?

[11:39:43]

lxs-makoto:

yeah

[11:40:03]

lxs-makoto:

well i might double check, but im pretty sure i did but i could have clicked off of it

[11:40:06]

lxs-makoto:

worth noting,

[11:40:23]

lxs-makoto:

the signal bar is rapidly flickering

[11:40:34]

dekarl:

bbl, if it works I can put a summary on the user list so google will find it

[11:41:27]

lxs-makoto:

ok, i'm going to do a full scan so might take a while

[11:41:46]

lxs-makoto:

also yes, google has very little of this issue, other than some fresh mailing list entries

[11:43:10]

lxs-makoto:

yeah, full scans looking nice, only 5% in but it appears to be picking stuff up

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[12:06:34]

lxs-makoto:

i can see mythtv set in ram, with a big trollface.jpg

[12:06:53]

lxs-makoto:

it did channel scanning, all looked good, but it wont get a lock now

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[12:52:14]

lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 13:51:03.753912 W DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Cannot count Uncorrected Blocks eno: Operation not supported (95)

[12:52:24]

lxs-makoto:

i don't suppose that means anything to anyone?

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[13:02:40]

dekarl:

lxs-makoto: its likely easiest to manualy scan one transponder and let mythtv add the other transponders from the network information table.

[13:04:08]

lxs-makoto:

hmm ok

[13:05:01]

dekarl:

not being able to count uncorrected block errors is sad, but likely no problem. (its one of two important numbers for deciding if the receiption quality is "good enough")

[13:05:31]

lxs-makoto:

there was another error in the logs somewhere whining about rescanning

[13:05:37]

lxs-makoto:

so im going a rescanof all existing transports

[13:05:51]

dekarl:

while mythtv doesnt get a lock, is there anything in the logfile? (maybe pastebin the whole log)

[13:05:58]

lxs-makoto:

or something, but tbh, i have no idea of what im doing

[13:06:23]

lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 13:52:33.608460 E ProcessPAT: Program not found in PAT. Rescan your transports.

[13:06:26]

lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 13:52:33.608479 E Desired program #1017 not found in PAT. Cannot create single program PAT.

[13:06:26]

** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1017 **

[13:08:05]

dekarl:

maybe a part time station that is off air at the moment

[13:08:48]

dekarl:

its just saying that program_number/service_id 1017 was expected (I think from a database entry) but could not be found

[13:09:01]

lxs-makoto:

i couldn't watch anything

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[13:11:04]

lxs-makoto:

success

[13:12:06]

lxs-makoto:

although, i don't have sound.. hmm

[13:13:53]

lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 13:52:33.608460 E ProcessPAT: Program not found in PAT. Rescan your transports.

[13:13:56]

lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 13:52:33.608479 E Desired program #1017 not found in PAT. Cannot create single program PAT.

[13:13:56]

** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1017 **

[13:14:47]

lxs-makoto:

er no that wasnt what i wanted to paste

[13:14:55]

lxs-makoto:

AudioOutput Error: AOOSS: Error opening audio device (): eno: No such file or directory (2)

[13:14:58]

lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 14:12:39.375125 I AO: Aborting reconfigure

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lxs-makoto:

2012-05–20 14:12:39.375136 N AudioPlayer: Disabling Audio, reason is: AOOSS: Error opening audio device ():

[13:16:07]

dekarl:

thats a frontend issue, did you select and test the audio device already?

[13:16:17]

lxs-makoto:

derp

[13:16:23]

lxs-makoto:

yeah, i forgot to do that

[13:16:29]

lxs-makoto:

i have sound now, thanks

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[13:36:59]

jya_:

weird that there was no audio device configured… only way to get that is to go into the audio settings, delete the entry and then save

[13:45:06]

lxs-makoto:

this machine has residual configs everywhere

[13:45:45]

lxs-makoto:

the hard disk was in my laptop, as a frontend, but i moved it to this machine as an all in one frontend backend box

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dekarl:

jya, how do I tell the frontend to play a HLS stream?

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jya_:

dekarl: currently, it's only via mythavtest

[13:56:21]

dekarl:

ahh ok

[13:56:26]

jya_:

mythavtest http://blah.m3u8

[13:56:59]

jya_:

there may be a way via mythfrontend, but i don't know how to pass it a URI to play a file directly, no matter which one

[13:57:02]

dekarl:

that will have to wait until packaging learns to live with an older x264-dev package, though :(

[13:57:13]

jya_:

Al Jazeera is giving me grief :(

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dekarl:

oh, but I got good guide data for it

[13:57:48]

jya_:

dekarl: that's not required for playing m3u8 stream

[13:58:17]

jya_:

dekarl: once i'm done with the HLS ringbuffer, i'll be able to easily add a way to record

[13:58:18]

dekarl:

but to simply let packaging/deb do the build ;)

[13:58:50]

jya_:

i'm guessing all one will have to do, is set a plain m3u playlist, with various URL to hls streams, similar to the "Freebox" capture card

[13:59:13]

jya_:

dekarl: oh i see what you mean…

[13:59:49]

jya_:

you'll never get the current master to work with an older x264,

[14:00:15]

jya_:

having said that.. i don't see why we need it, could use the native one instead

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dekarl:

jya_, I see. but the Mythbuntu folks are likely interested in shipping 0.26-fixes for mythbuntu 10.04 LTS, see http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[14:23:23]

dekarl:

nvm, mythbuntu ppa has x264 next to mythtv ;)

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nichos:

hi all – is it possible to add a shortcut to a recording group from mainmenu.xml?

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nichos:

it's about clicks now and we only have 2 groups so I could add those to the main menu

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rumblebumble:

Noticed a gaming edition HD-pvr on sale. Just wondering if they would as well as the regular ones?

[17:55:28]

rumblebumble:

*work as well as the regular ones

[17:55:48]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, it just comes with a different set of packaged cables

[17:56:03]

wagnerrp:

and is a different color

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rumblebumble:

Ahhh, awesome

[17:57:29]

rumblebumble:

Thanks wagnerrp

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: have you noticed a rise in questions related to mythv-setup not finding DVB cards with this error? "FE_GET_INFO ioctl failed (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) eno: No such device (19)"

[18:02:49]

wagnerrp:

possibly

[18:02:57]

wagnerrp:

but its a new version

[18:03:13]

wagnerrp:

i attributed it to new users who dont know how to do file permissions

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dekarl:

I think its a bug that made it into "newer" kernels (commit to dvb repo was 2 years ago) http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2012-05-20:10:26

[18:05:24]

dekarl:

someone was running truss and it was clear that our "open, ioctl, close, open, ioctl, close" sequence trigger ENODEV on some devices

[18:06:29]

wagnerrp:

mythtv seems oddly capable of triggering bugs in tuner drivers

[18:09:00]

dekarl:

lxs-m akoto: tested it earlier, by running femon in parallel one can avoid the driver closing the frontend, thus avoiding that issue... Once he comes back and reports a succesful scan I can write it up somewhere.

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: you notice theres another on the mailing list?

[18:17:34]

ujee:

I finally have setup the slave backend and the NFS thing.. is livetv supposed to work in there? (because it does not), while recording seems to be workable

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: a new list? I don't see one :( (and lists.mythtv.org could redirect to mailman instead of trac...)

[18:24:06]

dekarl:

ohh, totally misread that :(

[18:24:33]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /334336.html

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dekarl:

looks like something else.. I only see "resource busy" at startup, just as if the former mythbackend process is still exiting... (hanging at exit)

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ujee:

"TFWrite (...) took a long time, 2598ms" can I live with these warnings, or something eventually breaks?

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wagnerrp:

the bigger issue is the amount of buffered data

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wagnerrp:

when it hits 128MB, the recording is terminated

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ujee:

how can I figure how high I got?

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ujee:

it's a standard nfs mount

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ujee:

^ wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

it specifies such in the logs

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ujee:

I see it stuck in "still recording" state, even though it's finished correctly

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ujee:

oh.. it's good then

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ujee:

it said "Write(62980) cnt 30 total 1717004" Are those numbers in bytes?

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wagnerrp:

probably

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wagnerrp:

im talking about the TFWrite log

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ujee:

yes, those numbers are from the message

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ujee:

finally... it left the "recording" state

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cocoa117:

does MythTV editing recording so I can create cut list for commercials meaning I have to go through the whole recording manually?

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cocoa117:

the MythTV won't go through it itself, right?

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wagnerrp:

when in edit mode, you can load the commercial detection skiplist

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cocoa117:

wagnerrp, that's the parameter for MythTV to go through the recording and determine the possible commercial?

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wagnerrp:

there are two separate lists, skiplist and cutlist

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wagnerrp:

the commercial detector generates a skiplist

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wagnerrp:

the transcoder uses the cutlist

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wagnerrp:

you can create the cutlist in edit mode

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wagnerrp:

and at that time, you can load the existing skiplist into the editor

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sphery:

(by default, using the Z key)

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cocoa117:

wagnerrp, so that means the commercial detector in mythtv will function like commskip external program. It will exam my recording frame by frame in MPEG or H.264 video codec and use different paraemter to figure out which parts is commercial, right?

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wagnerrp:

and save that determination to the skiplist

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wagnerrp:

which is only currently used optionally during playback in mythfrontend

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cocoa117:

only used during playback... Does that mean I have to play the whole recording before mythTV can determine which part is commercial?

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wagnerrp:

no

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cocoa117:

so it is generally on, and examing recording all the time?

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wagnerrp:

it means during playback, mythfrontend can optionally skip the segments detected as commercials

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wagnerrp:

define "all the time"

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cocoa117:

enn, at least go through the whole recording after it is program is saved to the disk

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cocoa117:

i mean after the program is saved to the disk

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wagnerrp:

potentially as it is saved to disk

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cocoa117:

and its mythfrontend's job, not mythbackend

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cocoa117:

wagnerrp , ok, that's lot clear picture then what wiki said, thanx

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Twiggy2cents:

Where would I start troubleshooting mythweb not loading certain pages. Backend status page, recorded programs, upcoming recordings, recording schedules, actually pretty much only listings loads and it takes forever.

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Twiggy2cents:

I dont know what is happening to my mythweb, it is kindof dying

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: first thing I'd do is restart mythbackend...

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skd5aner:

Twiggy2cents: that sometimes happens when there's an issue with too many requests and mythbackend not clearing them properly

Monday, May 21st, 2012

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any clue where i might be able to pick up a "car size battery" by tuesday afternoon?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, as big as a compact or full size?

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sphery:

is this from a show?

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wagnerrp:

"car size"

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

ive got a box of dead and old electronics ive been meaning to take to some recycling place for about two years now

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wagnerrp:

and lo, an email from my high school saying they're going an electronics recycling drive on tuesday, 2–5:30

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wagnerrp:

under items that will be accepted — "Batteries (small to car size)"

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sphery:

hehe

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[R]:

ROFL

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sphery:

that should cover most all of them

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[R]:

wagnerrp: a battery the size of a battery for a car, not a battery the size of a car...

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wagnerrp:

thats not what it says

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

and it's a school, so, obviously, they wouldn't use the wrong words

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wagnerrp:

you say a watch battery, not a watch-sized battery

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[R]:

LOL

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sphery:

I mean they teach people how to use words

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wagnerrp:

you say a calculator battery, not a calculator-sized battery

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wagnerrp:

its the same thing here

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wagnerrp:

its a car battery

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wagnerrp:

a car-sized battery is a several ton slab of lead, filled with acid, they you have to haul in on a flatbet

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wagnerrp:

flatbed

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wagnerrp:

and i must have one

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wagnerrp:

i can get the flatbed

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sphery:

and, besides, these days, there are hybrids and electric vehicles with big old banks of batteries, so even "car battery" isn't that descriptive

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sphery:

(they're packaged as a single unit, right? not individually-replaceable modules?)

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wagnerrp:

new wiki user... CRCComputer

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wagnerrp:

spam? no spam?

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sphery:

try a CRC check

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sphery:

(or perhaps that should be a CRC or CR check)

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wagnerrp:

hang on, i already banned him a month ago

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lukeo:

I moved from LA to DC. When I got here I changed my time-zone, changed my channels, cleared all my listing and ran mythfilldatabase. Everything seems to be working except the time on mythweb. The time on the tv interface is correct but the time on mythweb is still showing Pacific time

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lukeo:

Tried setting the timezone in php but that doesn't seem to be helping

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jm|laptop:

lukeo: what distro?

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dekarl:

lukeo, in case you read the logs, theres been talk about mythweb keeping a session cache with the TZ, see http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2012-05-20:22:05

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dekarl:

likely the issue will go away in the next days (or when you reset the session)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you awake?

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[R]:

does anyone else think Beirdo is kinda like "beard-o"?

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wagnerrp:

anyway, is there any real reason to split the gentoo ebuilds into the various branches?

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Beirdo:

I'm just about to head for bed, but I'm up

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Shadow__X:

[R]: I do

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[R]:

lol

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Shadow__X:

is there a proper way to pronounce it?

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prologic:

Is there an easy way to clear all previously recorded episodes?

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prologic:

What MythTV think it's previously recorded (but not necessarily in storage)

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oobe:

prologic, change the recording preference to any episode

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prologic:

umm

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prologic:

I actually want to clear that entire list though

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tank-man:

recorded a naughty show? :)

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