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Thursday, December 15th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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loganRun:

o.k. if I do lircd -H devinput -d /dev/input/event3, followed by irw then I can see some ouput what gives

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loganRun:

if I just launch lircd the irw then I see nothing

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loganRun:

o.k so I can do lircd -d /dev/input/event3 and I see output from the remote, but mythtv does not seem to do anything when I press the remote

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sphery:

Cogswell: sounds like you're restarting mythbackend too early--like before things are finished "stabilizing"? (network and such?)

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Cogswell:

LoganRun: What is the "device" in your lirc hardware.conf file?

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loganRun:

? /etc/hardware.conf

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Cogswell:

for me it's /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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loganRun:

I have no such file, what is in it

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clever:

i think thats just a debian thing, included into the main lirc.conf

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loganRun:

oh running fedora core 14

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clever:

for example, my lircd.conf is one line, include "/etc/lirc/dctxxxx.conf"

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loganRun:

I wonder what should make lircd know to use event3

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clever:

depends on your init.d script mainly

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clever:

gentoo for example uses LIRCD_OPTS= in /etc/conf.d/lircd, every distro does it a little differently

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clever:

simplest answer is to just read /etc/init.d/lircd and see what it does

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loganRun:

no file there

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loganRun:

not sure where lircd is launched

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Cogswell:

sphery: I tried moving the script to many different positions in the restart sequence, and even tried adding a "sleep" before restarting, but with no luck.

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clever:

you can also just start it manualy, then you would just pass event3 on the command line

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sphery:

Cogswell: then permissions/user who's starting it?

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loganRun:

yeah strage thing is if i then start mythtv frontend it does not reconize any input for some reason

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loganRun:

wonder if it defaults to some other device

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Cogswell:

sphery: it's started by root both on the resume, and when I restart manually

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sphery:

Cogswell: and you're properly setting up the environment (i.e. home directory and such--ideally things your start script should do)

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Cogswell:

Ok, I think I need to read more about pm-utils. Everything seems to start up ok. If I start mythbackend manually and disable the resume script, it works.

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loganRun:

looks like I was wrong, if I exit mythfrontend and start typing on the remote I can indeed see output in a terminal window, but mythfrontend does not respond to the remote anymore after an upgrade, does anyone know what might have changed

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loganRun:

I have a mythtv lircrc

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sphery:

loganRun: it sounds like a switch from lirc with custom kernel drivers to lirc with input drivers and without the requisite lirc config changes

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sphery:

i.e. the echo lirc > /sys/...somethingoranotherfile

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loganRun:

well it was all working fine before the last upgrade

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loganRun:

probably a couple weeks ago

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sphery:

yes, and upgrades tend to change things

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25

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sphery:

my guess

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loganRun:

yeah I have no hardware.conf

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sphery:

that's a distro thing

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sphery:

look beyond the distro stuff to the lirc stuff

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loganRun:

o.k. I have a /etc/lirc file

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sphery:

better results: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . sb=post_time

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sphery:

i.e. there were 12 pages of stuff, you need the recent stuff

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loganRun:

irw seems to work

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loganRun:

more or less

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loganRun:

if I do irw, it does not spit out the names in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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loganRun:

seems like I am getting some other key mapping, maybe that is part of the issue

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skd5aner:

I didn't read most of that... but I just updated from ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 and they changed all of the button names in lirc and I had to update them accordingly in my lircrc file...

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skd5aner:

why they felt the need to do that, who knows... but what a headache

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loganRun:

hmm thanks, I'll have to continue with this tommorrow it looksl ike

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skd5aner:

irw provided lots of help in that departent

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skd5aner:

department

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sphery:

yeah, comparing irw output to ~/.lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc would tell you about wrong button names

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sphery:

why is a thread, "Re: [mythtv-users] No IVTV in 0.25?" talking about the analog portion of a pcHDTV HD-5500

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wagnerrp:

because the guy has no idea what hes talking about

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wagnerrp:

as explained, there are at least two devs successfully using that card in 0.25

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wagnerrp:

so any removal of support is false and not something to be concerned about

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wagnerrp:

its a user configuration issue, or at worst a bug that only arises due to a screwy user configuration

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sphery:

yeah, I'm sure it's user config issue

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sphery:

just wondering about the talk of analog in a frame grabber on a digital tv card in a thread about ivtv

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iamlindoro:

We've also still not gotten beyond "it doesn't work"

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sphery:

hehe, true

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wagnerrp:

i dont think ive actually seen any backend logs have i?

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sphery:

dmz: wouldn't a single 48" TV be easier than 4x24" monitors?

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sphery:

sure you'd have 1/4 the resolution, but since your input video is 1/4 the resolution--and since the bezels would be annoying...

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sphery:

ah, or you're using them as multiple tvs--or at least multiple different monitors with video on only one

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sphery:

and you said desktop first, then described via frontends

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sphery:

so nv

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sphery:

nvm

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sphery:

does it grate on anyone else's nerves when someone posts an answer to someone's threads and a few hours later, the OP replies to a previous message in the thread saying, "Nevermind, I figured it out," and then mentions exactly what someone said a few hours before

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sphery:

if you ask a question, watch for any replies in case they have answers, and if you find an answer, at least read the replies and then give the guy who answered it credit

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notlistening:

Hi with mythweb what is the config file called where you tell it to connect to a primary backend server?

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notlistening:

I am using ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

httpd.conf

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wagnerrp:

specifically, the included mythweb.conf that it comes with

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notlistening:

every time i upgrade that config file is getting over written with the wrong settings

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wagnerrp:

ok

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notlistening:

if I change the /etc/mythtv/ config files to reflect the correct values will that cause it to be correct every time?

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe mythtv ever looks at those files

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[R]:

bs0d3 writes "On Tuesday, the FCC passed the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation Act, or CALM. It's a law that states all commercials must run at the same volume as network newscasts. The same applies to network promos. The responsibility falls on cable providers like Comcast or charter. The law will not take effect until next year which leaves it plenty of time to be challenged in court by cable providers or advertisers."

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[R]:

i thought they already passed that law?

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notlistening:

On so where does mythweb get the details for the mythweb config?

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wagnerrp:

from mythweb.conf

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wagnerrp:

the apache httpd.conf include

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notlistening:

i mean when you install mythweb generates a new config and gets the details from somehwere

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[R]:

there is no "install"... the instlaltion instructions tell you waht to do

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wagnerrp:

no, when you install mythweb, it just pulls in this file... https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master . . . .conf.apache

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wagnerrp:

anything beyond just putting that file in the proper location is something special mythbuntu does

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notlistening:

okay that worked

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notlistening:

/etc/mythtv/config.xml or mysql.txt hold the key for future ref, having the backend setting in there means that when mythweb install it get the coreect settings for mythweb.conf

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notlistening:

maybe that is a mythbuntu quirk

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jya:

skd5aner: yes… that was the fix.

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skd5aner:

jya: :D

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skd5aner:

was basically the only "bug" that physically manifested itself enough to be annoying – thanks for the fix! (I know I'm way behind the times)

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jya:

it's been there for over 2 months

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iamlindoro:

http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/12/11/035221 . . . distribution

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iamlindoro:

Heh, why does everyone want to run Myth-on-linux-on-tablets anyway?

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** iamlindoro knows a guy with a native app **

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[R]:

iamlindoro: i saw that, i laughed

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iamlindoro:

I just got ripped a new one on Google+, too

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iamlindoro:

by a crazy person

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iamlindoro:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/108191112950724576986/posts

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** wagnerrp knows a guy who isnt sharing **

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wagnerrp:

:P

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iamlindoro:

Heh, no real point releasing something for a version of MythTV which isn't even out

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iamlindoro:

it'll just encourage bad people to use master

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[R]:

idiots

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[R]:

its ok, you can say it

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iamlindoro:

If we were to feature freeze, I could probably devote myself to it until we released and have it out in time for a release

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iamlindoro:

but there's still some more work to be done for sure

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wagnerrp:

oh google+ you suck monkey balls

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wagnerrp:

why do you capture my '/' and not let me search within the text on the page

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iamlindoro:

have to expand the comments on the top one... I think I was pretty reasonable with the guy

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iamlindoro:

but craaaazzyyyyy

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[R]:

did i miss something?

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[R]:

when did anyone "tear down" anything?

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wagnerrp:

in the previous 7 comments that are hidden above marc r going nuts

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[R]:

yeah, i opened them all

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[R]:

i see 3 +1's

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[R]:

and then confusion

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wagnerrp:

no, theres a '-1 for I anything'

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

i didnt notice that

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wagnerrp:

i.e. everything apple does and makes sucks, and anyone that uses apple anything sucks, and any applications written for apple anything suck

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[R]:

yeah, i get that now

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iamlindoro:

I think the takeaway I meant for people to get was basically, Android devs should be happy I wrong the iOS app-- I had to write dozens of APIs they can now use to make it work

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[R]:

iamlindoro: objective c makes me sad

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iamlindoro:

And I'll likely write a large number more before I'm done

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wagnerrp:

AshleeMillsshl makes me sad

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[R]:

wagnerrp: who?

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iamlindoro:

Obj-C isn't that bad-- I had a similar distaste at first but like Qt, etc. it's all a matter of learning the expected syntax/style/etc.

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wagnerrp:

[R]: what?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: lol

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[R]:

iamlindoro: have you ever played the game sorry! with the 4 colors and the square board? i made that game in objective c once

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wagnerrp:

Briannainwoodb....

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you think the guy just got lucky, stumbling upon the name of a user on the mailing list?

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iamlindoro:

I think it's Brianna Inwood

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wagnerrp:

ah... good call

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wagnerrp:

so did Maureenstrong and Suquetshqip spam anything this morning that just isnt showing up in recent changes?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: his responses to your responses were pretty rediculous... but I didn't necessarily see his initial comment of "-1 for I anything" as a direct afront to your work, albeit not a fan of anything related to that platform I guess which wuold be inclusive of your effort, but just a general "I hate apple" comment

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skd5aner:

but everything he said after that was just... crazy

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skd5aner:

man that Patrick Archibald guy checks in EVERYWHERE

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: so it wasnt pointed at him, just irrelevant and off topic

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I think taking all the work, none of which is specific to any platform in particular (besides MythTV itself) and having only the OS to attack is a little ridiculous

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wagnerrp:

is that supposed to make it better?

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skd5aner:

Haha – checked in at – Lowe's Home Improvement, followed by – Mt Pleasant Hospital

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skd5aner:

looks like someone should have hired a pro! :-D

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iamlindoro:

Hahah, Felicia Day talked to me

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skd5aner:

the API stuff is awesome... it makes me want to learn objective-c and write some mobile apps

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iamlindoro:

She told people to donate to wikipedia, I called it "Creepy Jimmy Wales and Skeevy Wikipedia Programmer Banner Month" and she replied and laughed

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iamlindoro:

FELICIA + IAMLINDORO FOREVER

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[R]:

who?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: what?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: stop that!

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iamlindoro:

Immediate geek card revocation

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skd5aner:

this girl – http://cfile6.uf.tistory.com/image/1667CC394EE4361B243A7F

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iamlindoro:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . licia_HS.jpg

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** wagnerrp never watched Buffy **

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iamlindoro:

Dr. Horrible, Dollhouse, etc. too

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[R]:

never saw anyu of it

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iamlindoro:

How DARE you sir

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wagnerrp:

never seen dr. horrible

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wagnerrp:

heard people talk about it...

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iamlindoro:

Ayway, none of you are invited to the wedding

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

no cake?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: definitely worth seeing, though

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iamlindoro:

Dr. Horrible is really funny

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Unguided:

sphery: you around?

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sphery:

yeah

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Password:

hi

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Unguided:

Sphery: I took your advice and broke down and bought the vid cards. I got the gt 430 for about 30 per card. i chose those because it has more cuda processors then the 520

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Password:

how would one go about setting up a mythtv setup? i'm kinda lost...

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sphery:

Unguided: hope it's working well for you

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wagnerrp:

where are you lost at, specifically?

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sphery:

the 430 also happens to have good support for HD audio formats

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Password:

i understand the concept of the thing being a PVR, but i don't know like hardware wise what I would need

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wagnerrp:

well what do you want to record?

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Password:

well, i was thinking of recording shows on the PVR when i have 2 shows recording on my DirecTV DVR

[05:00:15]

Password:

if that's possible

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Unguided:

I havent tried them yet but i originally had the 520 and it had 48 processors but the reviews werent good. the 430 has 96 and the same capability as the 520.

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sphery:

Password: might want to see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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wagnerrp:

Password: meaning... you want to record independently of your directv set-top-box?

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sphery:

where on the 2nd one, the only possible option for DirecTV is analog recording

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sphery:

(option 5)

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wagnerrp:

correct, mythtv cannot record directly from directv, as there is no hardware available to do so

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Password:

wagnerrp, yes

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wagnerrp:

you have to get an analog capture device, connect it to your directv STB, and use an IR blaster or something similar to allow mythtv control over the directv STB

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iamlindoro:

Drop DirecTV and just use that nice Comcast connection you're on

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Password:

eww no

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iamlindoro:

Then the procedure is much simpler/nicer

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Password:

haha, i like my DirecTV

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Password:

sounds like too much work. guess i wont bother with it then

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wagnerrp:

your directv likes locking you into their hardware

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sphery:

Unguided: interesting... I know there was some 430vs520 discussion on list, but I didn't read it

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wagnerrp:

which severely limits how mythtv is able to record from it

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Password:

i remember seeing something about MythTV a few years ago on G4TV

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sphery:

Password: fwiw, mythtv is much more work than a directv dvr

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sphery:

if you want a quick and easy dvr, go with what your cable/satellite co offers

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Password:

looked interesting, just never messed with it

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sphery:

if you want a hobby, MythTV is a great way to pass the time

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Password:

lol

[05:04:20]

sphery:

it does offer a lot of nice things, but there's definitely a cost (both time and money) involved

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Password:

i'll just stick w/what I have then

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wagnerrp:

if youre just looking for a way to record a third channel when youre using both tuners on your directv dvr, get a second directv dvr

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Password:

thank you though for the information

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Password:

i don't want to pay the xtra money/month

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Password:

:p

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wagnerrp:

for mythtv to record three channels off directv, you would have to get three separate directv boxes, plus three separate analog capture devices

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Unguided:

Passoword: Directv charges you per tv. cable would allow you to take your tv tuners and connect them to your network which would allow you to use any computer as a tv

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wagnerrp:

if you switched to comcast, you could get a cablecard tuner like an HDHomeRun Prime, rent a cablecard from comcast for a nominal fee ($2-$4/mo), and that one cablecard tuner is capable of recording three channels simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

directv is a proprietary system that does not have such devices available

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Password:

i got rid of ComCrap for a reason

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Password:

don't want to go back (not saying I never will)

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wagnerrp:

your network mask says otherwise

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wagnerrp:

"hsd1.il.comcast.net"

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Password:

for TV i did

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Password:

i still have their internet

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Password:

+phone

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Unguided:

Password: Directv does have an hr34 with 5 tuners they just released on 12/8 but it is gonna cost your 399 +6 per month per receiver. cablecard 4 per month for 3 tuners and you can do more with the sytem itself.

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sphery:

best way to get rid of cable is to go all OTA :)

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Unguided:

Has anyone used the mythmote app for android?

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Unguided:

sphery; LOL

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sphery:

also, be careful with multi-tuner receivers... I know DISH had one that had 2 tuners, where one was using IR remote and the other used RF remote--so there was no way to control the 2nd tuner (RF) from the computer

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sphery:

(though, now, someone seems to have made an adapter that does it for that one particular dish receiver)

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Unguided:

sphery: BE FE question for ya

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sphery:

48894

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Unguided:

huh?

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sphery:

seems my hexadecimal humor isn't appreciated

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Unguided:

It is just didnt know what it was. I thought you were giving me a zip code. LOL

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

sorry... been a long day and I'm getting hungry, so my mind is coming up with bad jokes

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sphery:

so what's the queston

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Unguided:

NP. If i set up my primary combo backend with external hard drives and the back end goes down, can i move the hd drives to a secondary combo frontend until i can get teh backend back up?

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sphery:

no

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sphery:

right now that's the one move you can't make--moving a recording from one host to another

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sphery:

so even if you changed your secondary combo frontend to become the master backend, any client (mythfrontend, mythweb, ...) would look for the recordings from the primary on the primary (which isn't up, so it would say the recordings are unavailable)

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Unguided:

Damn. But i can set up up both the combo boxes to do commercial deletion even if the drives are on the primary box right?

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sphery:

you would actually have to edit the database to make it ask the 2nd-ary for the recording... which you could do after a failure, but isn't something you'd want to do routinely to allow you to shut off one system for a while

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sphery:

and, yeah, commercial detection can run on any "job" host (any host running mythbackend or mythjobqueue)

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sphery:

and if you allow jobs to run on other than the recording host, any of them can process any host's recordings

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sphery:

but it does require recording host (the one that recorded the show) to be running/available

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Unguided:

okay. i have 4 2tb drives. i guess i will leave them on the primary backend and let the frontends help with commercial deletion etc

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Unguided:

i guess my 3rd box will b a combo frontend also. then all 3 can do commercial deletion

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wagnerrp:

why would that make it a 'combo frontend'?

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wagnerrp:

typically, 'combo' in reference to mythtv means something running a frontend and a backend

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to run a backend would be if you had tuners

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Unguided:

i guess it wouldnt. u did just say any fe can do commercial deletion

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wagnerrp:

any machine running 'mythjobqueue'

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt need to be running a frontend or a backend

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Unguided:

oh. even better.

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sphery:

mythjobqueue is way less resource intensive than mythbackend

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Unguided:

ah. okay i have been reading the user manual but i have more questions then answers and cant seem to read fast enough. lol

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sphery:

yeah, unfortunately, few people know of mythjobqueue

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sphery:

and many try to run (unsupported) tunerless backends because they want to run jobs

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wagnerrp:

soon, many people will know mythjobqueue

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sphery:

so we just love to extoll its virtues

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wagnerrp:

(or else they stop getting batch tasks run)

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sphery:

hehe

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Unguided:

the user manual should cover that right? wagnerrp are you one of the programmers?

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wagnerrp:

yes... documenters, not so much

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Unguided:

Well then. I guess a big thank you to you both for your information and advice is in order. thanks to you guys my wife if now saying she is expecting me to put our microwave on the network. thats awesome. you guys do a great job. Lol

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wagnerrp:

you need to talk to the arduino people, we cant help with that

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Unguided:

LOL

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Unguided:

like sphery im getting tired. im off to bed. thanks again for all of your help. im sure i will have more questions for you.

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sphery:

later

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sphery:

good luck with the 520

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sphery:

er, 430

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Unguided:

see ya.

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wagnerrp:

huh... taking a while for an email to go through the mailing list

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MrPaco:

good morning everyone

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MrPaco:

im lookign for some guide or discuss about to use ram as swap on my new installation of mythtv

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MrPaco:

if its recommended or not

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sulx:

well..disable swap

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sulx:

=D

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MrPaco:

its recommended to disable swap or to use ram for swap?

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MrPaco:

my english is a little low sulx , its a joke to disable swap?

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prologic:

Hey all. I need some recommendations for an all-in-one frontend device I can buy off-the-shelf that "just works" that supports HD video and with an Ir receiver. Any ideas?

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sulx:

MrPaco: if you have enough memory (I guess so if you are asking that kind of question)...

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MrPaco:

for a ir receiver philips rc-17

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prologic:

MrPaco, got a link to one?

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MrPaco:

how many memory its required sulx? i have 8gb, but i suggest to use ram as swap because at this time its very cheap the ram

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MrPaco:

yes prologic let me one second

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prologic:

thansk :)

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sulx:

MrPaco: well I think swap is used when run out of memory...and to save memory for hibernation

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MrPaco:

prologic, http://media.bittopia.es/3622/3622z0.jpg its very cheap and work very well, 20?

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sulx:

there isn't any gain for making ram swap

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MrPaco:

no?

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sulx:

and there isnt any real performance issues if its activated...

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MrPaco:

then, what its recommended to do in an new computer with 8gb of ram?

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MrPaco:

for backend and frontend

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MrPaco:

i have buyed an i3 2100 and 8gb of ram and a good graphic card and good mobo

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sulx:

if you use it for myth...8 gig is way more than needed

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sulx:

swap would never been even used but there is no point not to specify it

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sulx:

just in case

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sulx:

I usually go with swapfile

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sulx:

so resizing afterwards is easy (if needed)

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MrPaco:

aham

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MrPaco:

and how many its recommended if i need to use hibernation ? 4gb?

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sulx:

if you use hibernation...then swap needs to be more than memory

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sulx:

because hibernation writes contects of ram to the swap

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sulx:

content

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MrPaco:

ok

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prologic:

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Models <-- you guys recommend this as a frontend? straight off the mythtv wiki

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loganRun:

I am trying to figure out what has changed with the remote control in mythtv, mine used to work, but now after the unpgrade a couple weeks ago it does not. I do not recall seeing the "Remote Control" page in the general control pannel with the LIRC daemon socket etc

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loganRun:

or LIRC keypress application

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loganRun:

can't find any documentation on this change

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lapion:

run loganRun upgrade of os or mythtv ?

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loganRun:

upgrade of mythtv

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loganRun:

well upgrade os components too, but same version

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loganRun:

I had went through previously and got everything working with the remote control, and now that is not the case

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loganRun:

it is kind of weird if I press the power button on the remote control without lircd even running it tries to turn the computer power off

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loganRun:

seems like there is something else governing the remote control functionality

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loganRun:

o.k rmmod ir-kdb-i2c does stop the remote from doing anything

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loganRun:

o.k. seems like the keycodes have changed with the ir-kdb-i2c module which is strange, also, it doesn't seem like all the keys on my remote are reconized anymore which is kind of show stopper

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oobe:

I been getting artifacts with mkv files lately anyone know what could be causing it?

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bradd:

does the mythtv.spec in master not get kept up to date?

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oobe:

lol by the time I get round to asking seems to of fixed itself with updates

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oobe:

updates break things then new updates come and fix some

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bradd:

with hdpvr, is it still recommended to output 720p vs 1080i?

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loganRun:

so it looks like something changed with the -ir-kdb-i2c module, I was able to put it in debug mode to spit out some keycodes, but they have changed and now all the keys do not seem to generate code on my remote...does anyone have a clue about this stuff

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loganRun:

does anyone know how to revert to an older version of a kernel module with yum. ir-kbd-i2c screwed up my IR control and now I want to downgrade to fix it

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bradd:

yum downgrade <package>?

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loganRun:

I just looked at the /var/log/yum and it doesn't seem like that package was upgraded which is strange so I am back to square one

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loganRun:

I was trying to download the source code but that didn't seem to work either. I did yumdownloader --source kernel-devel-2.6.35.14–106.fc14.i686

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loganRun:

and that gave me a kernel*.src.rpm file, but I can't seem to access the contents of it

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bradd:

your previous kernel should still be installed if its a standard fedora installation

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bradd:

it normally keeps the last 2 or 3 kernels i believe

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bradd:

hmm

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bradd:

2011-12–15 10:00:52.766966 E [1917/2240] DeviceReadBuffer DeviceReadBuffer.cpp:509 (Poll) – DevRdB(/dev/hdpvr): Poll giving up 2

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bradd:

2011-12–15 10:00:52.767010 E [1917/2239] RecThread mpegrecorder.cpp:1037 (run) – MPEGRec(/dev/hdpvr): Device error detected

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bradd:

ahh.it was plugged in to usb1 port, not one of the usb2 ports

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wagnerrp:

you have a machine that still has usb 1.1 ports?

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bradd:

hmm..maybe not

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bradd:

apparently so

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bradd:

its connected to usb2 port now but still getting that

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bradd:

but it does seem to work

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bradd:

was causing a segfault in a version i built this morning though

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wagnerrp:

holy crap... why is windows storing 60GB of temporary internet files

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bradd:

heh..do you really have to ask that question? :)

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wagnerrp:

but there dont actually appear to be more than 15MB of files there

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sid3windr:

it's still set at 3% but your disk is now 2TB instead of 60GB? :P

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wagnerrp:

nah, an old 300GB

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bradd:

seems it may actually have been a bad usb cable

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loganRun:

does anyone know if the correct way to update the codes for my remote control is to edit /etc/lircd/lirc.conf ??? the codes there are either not mapped or mapped to the wrong thing, but before I edit that file wanted to see if anyone knew

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wagnerrp:

there are two different files

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wagnerrp:

theres /etc/lircd.conf that maps IR codes to named buttons

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wagnerrp:

and the ~/.mythtv/lircrc that maps named buttons to commands in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

if you need to change codes in lircd.conf, use irrecord

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loganRun:

yeah so if I push the ch+ button on my remote I get KEY_SEARCH or something

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skd5aner:

loganRun: I had to deal with this yesterday

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skd5aner:

if some of your buttons work, and you've got the right lircd.conf file for your remote, then it's best to change the lircrc file

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loganRun:

well I just when through the debug mode on the kernal module and found the hex value for each button

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skd5aner:

just run irw, see what the name of hte key is, and update the correct keyname in lircrc

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wagnerrp:

writing a new lircd.conf isnt _hard_, it just takes a _long_time_

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loganRun:

I don't think all the hex values are defined in /etc/lirc/lirc.conf

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skd5aner:

what does irw say?

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wagnerrp:

its annoying and tedious

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skd5aner:

does it return valid key names for all the buttons on your remote?

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loganRun:

skd5aner, no, some of the buttons I don't think are mapped in /etc/lirc/lirc.conf

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skd5aner:

and what did you do? upgrade your distro?

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skd5aner:

so, if you push a button, in irw you will see responses for some keys and none for others?

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loganRun:

I think something changed after yum upgrade

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loganRun:

skd5aner, right

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skd5aner:

if so, then you're right – you'll need to either edit (or copy/paste) a valid config file for your remote

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skd5aner:

you don't have to do it from scratch if a config already exist out there

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loganRun:

nothing exists out there it is custom so to speak

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skd5aner:

when I upgrade from ubuntu 11.04, to 11.10, they changed the button names in my remote config, but they all registered in irw – so all I had to do was update the key names in lircrc and it worked again

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skd5aner:

the remote is completely custom? or is it a "learning" remote that imitating another remote?

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skd5aner:

I mean, I use a nevo q50, but it sends codes as if it's an MCE remote

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loganRun:

well it is a learning remote imitating another remote, but this remote has more keys than the origional remote so I had to add on some new frequencies that nicely fit within the old remote frequency table

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skd5aner:

well – guess you'll have to re-learn them :)

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loganRun:

yeah something like that, but the basic idea is then to fix the lirc.conf then edit the lircrc under mythtv and define and action for each named key (what I specified in the lirc.conf)?

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loganRun:

does that sound right

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skd5aner:

basically, but is it lirc.conf or lircd.conf?

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loganRun:

yep

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Rino_:

anyone here?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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Rino_:

simple question, HDHR3-CC and Linuxmce. support or added work to do to install?

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Rino_:

looking at linuxmce 8.10

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wagnerrp:

HDHR3-CC....

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wagnerrp:

are you talking about the HDHomeRun 3? or the HDHomeRun Prime?

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Rino_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

no, which one

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Rino_:

I'm debated between that or HD PVR.

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wagnerrp:

they are two different devices

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR3 is a standard ATSC/QAM tuner

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wagnerrp:

the Prime is a CableCard tuner

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Rino_:

The HDHomeRun Prime

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wagnerrp:

the Prime has functional support in 0.24, although there is a bit of finessing needed to get access to the third tuner

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wagnerrp:

support is better in the upcoming 0.25 release

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wagnerrp:

what that means in regards to LinuxMCE, i have no idea

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Rino_:

ok thanks

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Rino_:

one more question, ATSC/QAM Tuner and CableCard Tuner, what is big different?

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wagnerrp:

Rino_: what cable provider do you have?

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Rino_:

Right now Rogers

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wagnerrp:

an ATSC tuner can record broadcast digital tv in north america

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wagnerrp:

rogers is... canada?

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Rino_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

a QAM tuner can record unencrypted digital cable in north america

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wagnerrp:

a cablecard tuner can record encrypted digital cable in the US, with the limitation that mythtv can only access 'copy freely' content through it

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wagnerrp:

a cablecard tuner requires a cablecard rented from your cable company to operate

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wagnerrp:

in the US, cable companies are required by FCC mandate to make cablecards available to their customers

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wagnerrp:

Canada has no such rules

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wagnerrp:

that means, dont purchase a Prime until you talk to Rogers and see if they will support it

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wagnerrp:

youre likely going to be stuck getting whatever you can over unencrypted QAM

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wagnerrp:

or getting an HDPVR and capturing off your cable box

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** Blaksmith grumbles .. I hate these dang auto updates for ubuntu .. I locked mythtv, but did not lock mythtv-frontend .. and of course, database mismatch, and it won't play.. meaning, that I have to do what I did last time.. either update the back end, or try and revert the version of the frontend ... **

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loganRun:

it doesn't seem like the lircd.conf file is being used

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wagnerrp:

Blaksmith: or stop running unstable builds?

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Blaksmith:

wagnerrp, hehe, too late for that .. the db is already on bleeding edge hehe .. I just have to sync the front to the back again, and then lock the front this time

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Unguided:

wagnerrp: is there any benefit to having multiple nics in the backend?

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wagnerrp:

if you need to access multiple physical network segments, or want to do channel bonding

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wagnerrp:

note that mythbackend only stores the one IP address in the database

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Unguided:

i was gonna do bonding for higher throughput. just a thought

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wagnerrp:

and thus frontends only connect through the one IP address

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wagnerrp:

and youre not going to come anywhere close to saturating gigabit with anything mythtv does

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wagnerrp:

if you really want, you can use channel bonding, but then you need a fairly high end network switch to support such behavior

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Unguided:

okay. then dump that idea

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Blaksmith:

on my setup, the highest that I have seen per frontend viewing, is about 700mb/s

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wagnerrp:

there are issues with matroska files, the source filter from ffmpeg is quite bursty

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Unguided:

I was gonna install zentyal for my infrastructure to get rid of my hardware router for dhcp etc. then install mythtv on that. do you see any problems with those ideas. Blacksmith thanks for the information

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wagnerrp:

but that has been alleviated to some extent

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Blaksmith:

err sorry, 700KB /s

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wagnerrp:

and the average bitrate is still quite low

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Unguided:

i got ya Blacksmith

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wagnerrp:

ive never liked the idea of putting much at all on a machine running a border firewall

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Blaksmith:

wagnerrp, hrm.. I guess my stuff for the ps3 viewing is a hit or miss.. just saw "Stream type 'MPEG-2 TS' is not supported by ivtv driver, using 'MPEG-2 PS' instead ....

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Blaksmith:

driver issue, not myth issue

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Unguided:

wagnerrp. i wouldnt get rid of the router just turn off dhcp etc. maybe not a good idea.

[17:07:28]

Unguided:

i just hate buying a new router every couple of years because the manufacture stops supporting it

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wagnerrp:

im still running the same cisco router my ISP was handing out when i first got DSL like 13 years ago

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Unguided:

and im trying to keep the number of running computers in the house down to a dull roar to keep my wife happy

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Blaksmith:

Unguided, heh, was just about to say, if you want a router that will do just about anything you want, I would suggest smoothwall, but that requries another computer in the house .. full blown linux box router...

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wagnerrp:

its been EOL'd by cisco since like 2002

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Unguided:

i looked at pfsense version 2.0 and untangle

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Choris_:

Hello

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Choris_:

Anyone here managed to compile and run mythtv on Windows 7?

[17:18:49]

Choris_:

I'm running into problems, tried both cross-compiling from Linux and mingw32 under Windows :/

[17:20:09]

wagnerrp:

if youre looking for 0.24, there are links to a version one of the users builds for distribution on the wiki

[17:20:45]

Choris_:

I'm trying to build the master branch, and I was using the shell script linked to in the wiki

[17:21:21]

Choris_:

compiling seems to work fine (keep running out of memory under Windows, even though there's plenty of it free – but I can manage to compile a release build with a couple tries)

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wagnerrp:

32-bit or 64-bit windows?

[17:21:56]

Choris_:

none of the .exe files cross-compiled under Linux seem to do anything (no console output, nothing – just segfault?)

[17:22:08]

Choris_:

64-bit windows, but tried only compiling for 32 bit so far

[17:22:48]

Choris_:

and the .exe files produced under Windows throw a 0xc0000142 error (apparently it fails to load a DLL?)

[17:23:33]

Choris_:

so should I be trying to build a 64 bit version, shouldn't a 32 bit executable work?

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Unguided:

Blaksmith: I suppose it is not the router itself but the "wireless" portion of the router. with that being said, it just dawned on me that i could put a wireless card in each of my frontends and use that to connect wirelessly to my network from say my android devices tablets laptops etc.

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wagnerrp:

using your frontends as access points?

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wagnerrp:

bleh... better to pick up some cheap WRTs and put them into AP mode

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Choris_:

wireless AP under linux isn't too complicated IMO

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Blaksmith:

I prefer wired.. but, wireless definately has its advantages

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wagnerrp:

for anything thats going to be moving around

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Blaksmith:

yah, like a laptop or smart phone etc..

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wagnerrp:

i.e. not myth frontends

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[17:31:06]

Blaksmith:

new myth compiled .. now, do I want to stop the current recording of a show... probably one I've seen alraedy, and put the new one in, or do I let it finish recording LOL

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Unguided:

well i was thinking if the myth frontends are gonna be on all the time, why not put a dual wireless card into the mythbox which is then connected to the network via gigabit

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Unguided:

*dual band wirless card

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Blaksmith:

oh fun .. started up the new backend, and I get a million errors of: http://pastebin.com/H0uR1DuV

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dekarl_zZz:

Blaksmith: try http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-12-15:08:28

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Blaksmith:

dekarl, ahh ok, thanks .. now, how to turn off debugging hehe

[18:24:43]

Blaksmith:

err logging

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Blaksmith:

cool, looks like It is upgrading

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sphery:

Blaksmith: just let it run it will settle out

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sphery:

Blaksmith: no need to turn off logging

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sphery:

Blaksmith: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-12-15:18:23

[18:30:00]

** Blaksmith smacks ubuntu .. apparently it is wanting to use yet another new db shema .. backend is 1291 now.. not sure what version ubuntu wants ... frontend hash: e94c6d9 **

[18:30:22]

Blaksmith:

backend hash: a3755dc

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sphery:

yes, there was a db update last night

[18:35:20]

Blaksmith:

ok, so latest is hash a3755dc ? or is e94c6d9 newest?

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sphery:

latest is about to change (with an update that will prevent those errors)

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sphery:

:)

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Blaksmith:

heh ok

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sphery:

current latest is a3755dc12

[18:37:39]

Blaksmith:

ok, that's what I have for my backend .. (until the newest is pushed to fix the logging error spew)

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sphery:

fwiw, you can go ahead and use what you have... the errors will just continue until a little bit after the table is updated

[18:39:28]

Blaksmith:

I already finsihed updating the db

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sphery:

so this is more a fix for aesthetics than anything

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sphery:

ah, then you definitely don't need the fix

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sphery:

probably not worth a re-update, then

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Blaksmith:

but, the frontend doesn't want to connect, saying it wants to update the db though

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sphery:

I'm just testing out the change before pushing it

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Blaksmith:

cool

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sphery:

what's the exact message in frontend logs?

[18:41:28]

Blaksmith:

Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1291 ... Not allowed to upgrade the database

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Blaksmith:

then it exits out

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sphery:

what version on frontend?

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sphery:

I'm guessing the frontend wants 1290

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Blaksmith:

hash: e94c6d9

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sphery:

yep, that's one commit before the one that upgraded db

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Blaksmith:

yah, that's what I figured.. ok, so need to wait till the ubuntu people update their end

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sphery:

so you need newer frontend version

[18:44:25]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

should have it tomorrow

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sphery:

(or whenever they do today's update)

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Blaksmith:

hopefully later today .. heheeh

[18:44:41]

sphery:

yeah

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Blaksmith:

it is easier to update a frontend than the backend.. that's for sure

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sphery:

I'll also put in log messages that make it easier to see what the current app is expecting

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sphery:

so you know who's ahead/who's behind

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Blaksmith:

ahh cool

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Blaksmith:

my fault this time was that I locked mythtv itself, but never locked mythfrontend .. and ubuntu updated yet again .. hehe this time once I get it synced, I'm going to lock it, until I have to upgrade the backend for something that is really broken hehe

[18:48:47]

Blaksmith:

ok, thanks again .. just a waiting game for me now.. time to get this snmp stuff for work going

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im supposed to step up the plate and engage you about the perl bindings

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sphery:

hehe

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** wagnerrp looks around for a Number 1 **

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wagnerrp:

i... need to... engage!

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

amazing how often Beirdo's windows box goes missing... He should really chain that thing down (or move to a safer neighborhood)

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sphery:

BUILD FAILED: build successful exception slave lost

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sphery:

now where did I put that?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you're welcome to put a Winblows box up to fight with if you wish :)

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sphery:

hehe, no thanks

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sphery:

I'm just hoping that you don't go broke--buying a new one every time it goes missing

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Choris_:

Anyone here able to help me with compiling MythTV for Windows 7?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: got any scripts in mind you want converted?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, most-currently-useful one would (but one I didn't write) would be mythlink.pl. I think the only ones I actually wrote are the extremely simple http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_recent_recordings.pl and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_upcoming_recordings.pl (which could easily be done to do plain-text output by default and take an arg for misc status info format)

[21:13:04]

sphery:

misc status info format is simple: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Miscellaneous_Stat . . . utput_Format

[21:14:38]

sphery:

(and whole misc status info thing could be reworked in code to use a different format--like xml/json/..., to make it easier to integrate with services and all

[21:14:54]

sphery:

but none of these are that important

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wagnerrp:

so you still need to import DBI when using the perl bindings?

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

the MythTV use doesnt automatically pull it in?

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sphery:

generally perl bindings just give you db credentials, then you use db directly for everything

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wagnerrp:

funky...

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sphery:

thus the "not abstracted from internal data representation" stuff

[21:17:14]

wagnerrp:

i would have expected the perl bindings have a mechanism to return a database connection

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sphery:

it does support sending proto commands and getting lists that way, too

[21:18:01]

sphery:

but only as far as providing the socket and getting the result into a var

[21:18:33]

sphery:

then, if we have a perl binding type to represent the data in that var, you can put it into that type

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize how primitive they were

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sphery:

yes, very

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sphery:

mainly since they weren't designed as bindings, but were just the code from nuvexport that would have made a good start for bindings

[21:20:12]

sphery:

kind of like the php bindings, now

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wagnerrp:

right

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wagnerrp:

where did the status page get moved to?

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sphery:

/Status/GetStatusHTML

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sphery:

or you can get to it through menu by hitting Information|Backend Status

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sphery:

(probably needs an update of style--the white on light blue is hard to read)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i wanted to specific page, so i could see the text

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wagnerrp:

and not have to deal with the framed backend server, or filtered mythweb version

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sphery:

ah, yeah, plus with JS load, it's hard to get to the html source

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wagnerrp:

oof... seems mythwikiscripts barfs if the destination folder does not exist

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sphery:

hehe, I hadn't ever tried that

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wagnerrp:

also, it seems the perl bindings dont do IPv6

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wagnerrp:

IO::Socket::INET::MythTV: Bad service '6543'

[21:34:26]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: maybe you might know what to do with that?

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Beirdo:

umm

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Beirdo:

I'm a bit lost.

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Beirdo:

too much chasing borked crap at work

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sphery:

wagnerrp: how about: git rm -r ...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

IO::Socket::INET is IPv4 only

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wagnerrp:

or if GreyFoxx knows perl, we could leave it to him

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sphery:

::Socket::IP should be a direct drop-in replacement for IO::Socket::INET. It supports the same constructor arguments and the same methods as IO::Socket::INET, most programs only need to change the 'use' line and constructor calls, allowing them to support IPv6.

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Beirdo:

can you put in a ticket to change that to be based off IO::Socket::INET6

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sphery:

er, IO::...

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Beirdo:

or that

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Beirdo:

yah, that's a better replacement

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sphery:

probably easier

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sphery:

then it's just a matter of getting all the "assumes IPv4 code" up to speed

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Beirdo:

yeah, we need to do that anyways

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sphery:

er, "assumes-IPv4 code"

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Beirdo:

fun times

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Beirdo:

we are entering the 21st century finally

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sphery:

FWIW: http://search.cpan.org/dist/IO-Socket-IP/ + http://search.cpan.org/~pevans/IO-Socket-IP-0 . . . Socket/IP.pm

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Beirdo:

yup

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sphery:

I'm thinking of upgrading to IPv4. I'm currently on IPv0.1

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Beirdo:

certainly can't fix and test that at the exact moment, but it's ticket-worthy

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sphery:

perhaps I should just bite the bullet and upgrade to IPv9

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

that way I won't be doing this all over again

[21:54:43]

Beirdo:

and 10gig ethernet for the home

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sphery:

will allow me to make better use of my Compact Disk Hologram unit, too

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sphery:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1606

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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wagnerrp:

sphery: so any suggestion on an xml/json format to feed to it instead?

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wagnerrp:

i assume this stuff simply doesnt show up in the xml version?

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sphery:

no real suggestions--haven't thought much about it

[22:22:38]

sphery:

it does go in xml and html versions

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sphery:

but we can change it however... it's probably one of the least used features

[22:23:08]

sphery:

(or we could even just remove it...

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sphery:

only reason I did it in the first place was because some people wanted the sensors garbage in there

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sphery:

and the sensors lib garbage was crashing mythbackend, so my real goal was to find a compromise that allowed me to remove the sensors garbage from mythbackend)

[22:24:32]

sphery:

and, really, with http services, it makes more sense to just have a service for any info

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sphery:

so, actually, I'm thinking I like the idea of just dropping misc status support

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sphery:

meaning that a python version of those scripts that just does text output would be fine

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i was actually thinking of doing it "properly"

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wagnerrp:

with a general serializer like the services API

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sphery:

that works, too

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wagnerrp:

have the script produce the output as desired

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wagnerrp:

feed it into a serializer that outputs xml/json/html/etc...

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sphery:

I'd say it definitely needs redoing or removing

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sphery:

no real preference on either

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Dalibor:

Hi guys, can I run scanning for changes for video from console (terminal) on backend? or from mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

what version are you running?

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sphery:

I do use it on my system (for showing everything recorded in the last 24hrs and any upcoming conflicts), but don't see it as critical

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sphery:

I'm using -fixes (or was that question for Dalibor )

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Dalibor:

mythbuntu so I think 0.24

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sphery:

Dalibor: why not just use ssh -Y <backend> ... to redirect the X display

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wagnerrp:

the video support in mythweb is not-functional in 0.24

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sphery:

i.e. you don't need a display on the backend host to use mtyhtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

and the scanner was not moved into the backend until 0.25

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wagnerrp:

of course there is limited use for a command line scanner

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sphery:

oh, you're not talking channel scan... nvm

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Dalibor:

sphery interesting but I want to setup cron for that

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wagnerrp:

the UPNP server uses its own independent list

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wagnerrp:

which gets updated every half hour

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wagnerrp:

while if youre actually in mythvideo itself to watch something, its trivial to trigger a scan from the menu

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wagnerrp:

just make sure you run a scan any time you rip any dvds/blurays

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josha:

How do you get it so mythtv in the program guide only shows one channel instead of two (one is a duplicate) if you have two video sources?

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josha:

I.e. i have a satellite video source with channel 2, and an ota source with channel 2–1, which are technically the same channel

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josha:

but in the guide I get two distinct entries with all the same program listings

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wagnerrp:

one is going to have better quality than the other

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wagnerrp:

personally, i would just mark the other hidden so it doesnt get used

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josha:

wagner: was that for me?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, the second wouldn't be used at all though right? even for scheduling?

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josha:

ahh ok — well they are both the same quality (hd)

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: not entirely sure on that

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wagnerrp:

josha: no, they arent

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josha:

and that is the goal ultimately to try to have 3 possible tuners made use of the most efficiently

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josha:

oh?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, he should just need to make the xmlid the same right?

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josha:

i just tested and it seems like i can hide it by matching the callsign, channelnum, and channel name

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wagnerrp:

in theory, they could be sending the same exact digital bitstream

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wagnerrp:

but chances are, one is going to be encoded off the other

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wagnerrp:

or they are both going to be encoded independently from a shared source

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, so one is slightly better than the other, for most purposes he's going to want them to be considered the same channel though so scheduling works properly

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josha:

yeah — i guess if say i have two ota channels, 2 and 4, and i want to record both simultaneously it should use both tuners to catch both

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tgm4883:

err, scatch what I said about about xmlid and replace with the stuff josha said regarding callsign, channelnum, and channel name

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wagnerrp:

if you want them to be treated as the same channel in the eyes of the scheduler, then make the callsign and channel number match

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wagnerrp:

but im saying theyre not actually the same channel

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josha:

thanks!

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josha:

wagnerrp: yeah i see what you are saying, but to my wife, they *are* the same channel ;)

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wagnerrp:

i *think* the scheduler will still pick up recordings on hidden channels

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josha:

oh ok, well maybe this is how i solve my next problem then

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josha:

my next issue is that when watching "live tv" it is limiting channels to whichever input it picks up first

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, they are and they aren't. By quality standards, you are correct they are not the same channel. By programming standards, they are the same channel

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tgm4883:

in that they both carry the same programming at the same times

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