| Friday, September 16th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:56] | sphery: | jm|laptop: best wold be an EIT fixup... see mythtv/libs/libmythtv/eitfixup.cpp |
| [00:01:09] | sphery: | assuming there's something, somewhere, in the data you can use to figure it out |
| [00:01:48] | jm|laptop: | SELECT COUNT(*) FROM program WHERE description LIKE "%[HD]"; |
| [00:01:49] | jm|laptop: | 147 |
| [00:02:19] | jm|laptop: | SELECT COUNT(*) FROM program WHERE description LIKE "%[HD]" AND hdtv=0; |
| [00:02:20] | jm|laptop: | 80 |
| [00:02:22] | jm|laptop: | :/ |
| [00:02:32] | sphery: | then it may actually be signalled in the EIT |
| [00:04:24] | sphery: | and you might be able to make an m_ukTitleHD regexp and add it to EITFixUp::FixUK() |
| [00:04:25] | jm|laptop: | not sure I'm clever enough to make an EIT fixup |
| [00:04:30] | sphery: | and catch the rest |
| [00:04:48] | jm|laptop: | and I'm mildly scared to rebuild my mythbackend |
| [00:04:57] | jm|laptop: | as I went off-piste and did a svn |
| [00:04:58] | sphery: | it would be very like the m_bellPPVTitleHD one |
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| [00:05:19] | sphery: | (meaning there's a nice example whose pattern you could follow) |
| [00:06:32] | jm|laptop: | golly |
| [00:06:44] | sphery: | "did a svn"? |
| [00:06:54] | jm|laptop: | built a branch of some variety :) |
| [00:07:08] | sphery: | you mean a git, right? (You're not still using the old subversion repo, but are using git, right?) |
| [00:07:09] | jm|laptop: | scared me silly and now I have to build all my frontends from that tarball too |
| [00:07:21] | sphery: | what distro? |
| [00:07:24] | jm|laptop: | sphery: probably git :D |
| [00:07:41] | jm|laptop: | MythTV Version : 27420 |
| [00:07:41] | jm|laptop: | MythTV Branch : trunk |
| [00:07:43] | jm|laptop: | oh. |
| [00:07:45] | sphery: | that's svn |
| [00:07:54] | jm|laptop: | it was a while ago |
| [00:07:57] | sphery: | [27420] |
| [00:07:57] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27420: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/3958daf4 |
| [00:08:13] | sphery: | that's unstable/development code as of Dec 2, 2010 |
| [00:08:18] | jm|laptop: | ack |
| [00:08:23] | jm|laptop: | well; it's actually quite stable |
| [00:08:30] | sphery: | you likely want current 0.24-fixes as of today |
| [00:08:39] | sphery: | which distro are you using? |
| [00:08:45] | jm|laptop: | I think I tried that and the NP was too high |
| [00:08:57] | jm|laptop: | sphery: Debian, but not packages |
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| [00:09:48] | sphery: | ahh, was going to say if it's ubuntu, they have a nice repo with current 0.24-fixes (or, if you don't mind failed recordings and spending way too much time following the mailing lists and commit messages, master/unstable/development code) |
| [00:10:00] | jm|laptop: | :S |
| [00:10:11] | jm|laptop: | I can't remember even why I went off-piste |
| [00:10:44] | wagnerrp: | piste? |
| [00:10:46] | jm|laptop: | something to do with my cards no doubt |
| [00:10:56] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: release, or whatever |
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| [00:11:23] | sphery: | anyway, you should probably consider upgrading to 0.24-fixes (which is stable /and/ newer than yours) |
| [00:11:24] | jm|laptop: | you've been very kind and validated in trying to make me do the right thing; but I fear I'm probably going to do a database hack :( |
| [00:11:33] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ has new locations |
| [00:11:36] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I think I tried and the protocol was too old/new |
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| [00:11:49] | sphery: | "Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.24 stable branch, do this:" is what I recommend |
| [00:11:53] | jm|laptop: | I'm probably wrong |
| [00:12:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: lot of people running that version, final revision before the migration to git |
| [00:12:09] | sphery: | if you have 27420, you have DB version 1264, which is current version for 0.24-fixes |
| [00:12:25] | sphery: | and protocol version only matters /between/ systems |
| [00:12:29] | jm|laptop: | Network Protocol : 64 |
| [00:12:38] | sphery: | meaning if you put current 0.24-fixes on /all/ of your systems, it will work |
| [00:12:44] | jm|laptop: | sure. |
| [00:12:57] | jm|laptop: | iirc the db upgrade script failed |
| [00:12:59] | jm|laptop: | or scared me |
| [00:13:05] | jm|laptop: | Library API : 0.25.20101127–1 |
| [00:13:53] | sphery: | technically, though, 0.24-fixes is using proto version 64, too, so you'd be ok |
| [00:14:02] | sphery: | never noticed it's proto 64 and db 1264 |
| [00:14:04] | jm|laptop: | I'll bear it in mind :) |
| [00:14:37] | sphery: | but there are >300 bug fixes in 0.24-fixes /since/ 0.24 was released and you're using what may well be pre-0.24 code |
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| [00:15:45] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes shows 319 fixes through July 12 (so there's a good 2months in addition to those) |
| [00:16:12] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I'm sold. When I have time to backup properly, I'll give it a shot. |
| [00:16:31] | sphery: | looks like 0.24 final release was 27163, so you're basically running 0.24 without any fixes |
| [00:16:47] | sphery: | (and since it's trunk, you may well be running with experimental/not-complete code, too) |
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| [00:17:00] | sphery: | anyway, just a recommendation |
| [00:17:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for the explanation--I thought I had seen that version before |
| [00:18:14] | jm|laptop: | hmph. |
| [00:18:45] | jm|laptop: | So having manually set hdtv=1 to a few test program[me]s it's still not showing as HD in 'Upcoming Recordings' in mythweb |
| [00:18:54] | jm|laptop: | maybe I should have mentioned mythweb before now |
| [00:18:59] | jm|laptop: | :S |
| [00:19:49] | sphery: | you mean the yellow "HD" icon in mythweb? |
| [00:19:56] | jm|laptop: | text, but yes |
| [00:20:10] | sphery: | yeah, <span class="hdtv_icon"> text :) |
| [00:20:15] | jm|laptop: | ja |
| [00:20:29] | sphery: | that should be done off of the program.hdtv flag |
| [00:20:34] | jm|laptop: | oh. |
| [00:20:39] | sphery: | but note that your EIT may be changing it out from under you |
| [00:21:11] | sphery: | i.e. EIT will either run all the time if you enabled active eit collection or runs whenever you're watching Live TV or recording shows |
| [00:21:29] | jm|laptop: | interestingly |
| [00:21:59] | jm|laptop: | having set hdtv=1 manually, it now has (HDTV, Widescreen etc.) in the program popup |
| [00:22:07] | jm|laptop: | but still not yellow HD |
| [00:22:09] | jm|laptop: | quizzical. |
| [00:22:17] | sphery: | did you force a refresh |
| [00:22:20] | sphery: | Shift-F5 |
| [00:22:25] | sphery: | might be the cache monster |
| [00:22:41] | jm|laptop: | nup |
| [00:22:45] | ** jm|laptop codelooks ** | |
| [00:23:24] | jm|laptop: | 363 if ($show->hdtv) |
| [00:23:24] | jm|laptop: | 364 echo '<span class="hdtv_icon">HD</span>'; |
| [00:23:45] | ** jm|laptop wonders where to parse debug ** | |
| [00:24:31] | jm|laptop: | lol print_r($show) does it |
| [00:24:46] | jm|laptop: | [hdtv] => 0 |
| [00:25:17] | ** jm|laptop wonders if mythweb caches ** | |
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| [00:27:59] | jm|laptop: | weird. |
| [00:28:18] | jm|laptop: | :q1 |
| [00:28:21] | jm|laptop: | oopz |
| [00:28:59] | sphery: | [jm@laptop ~]$ |
| [00:29:07] | jm|laptop: | hehe |
| [00:29:30] | sphery: | actually, "E488: Trailing characters" would be more accurate |
| [00:31:36] | jm|laptop: | yep, shift error |
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| [00:36:16] | jm|laptop: | ooooooh |
| [00:36:28] | jm|laptop: | something is caching something somewhere, I think |
| [00:36:36] | jm|laptop: | maybe not |
| [00:36:44] | jm|laptop: | the very last listing for ITV1 HD is now showing HD |
| [00:37:34] | jm|laptop: | kormoc: do you cache listings somewhere? |
| [00:40:28] | wagnerrp: | kormoc? |
| [00:40:54] | jm|laptop: | he's lead dev on it, no? |
| [00:41:06] | wagnerrp: | on what? |
| [00:41:12] | jm|laptop: | mythweb |
| [00:41:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, but nothing should be getting cached |
| [00:42:17] | jm|laptop: | k |
| [00:42:54] | jm|laptop: | just odd how after manually marking them as hdtv=1 the very newest program listings are 'working' |
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| [00:44:16] | jm|laptop: | k I'm lying |
| [00:44:20] | jm|laptop: | others are working now |
| [00:44:44] | jm|laptop: | you guys have been great as usual – I'm off to bed I think as it's |
| [00:44:46] | jm|laptop: | Fri Sep 16 01:44:46 BST 2011 |
| [00:44:47] | sphery: | remember, anything you change may be overwritten at any time, too |
| [00:44:53] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I know :) |
| [00:45:02] | sphery: | ok, good luck with it |
| [00:45:08] | sphery: | and good night |
| [00:45:22] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I'll take all your advice on board re: .cpp and 24-fixed |
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| [01:08:02] | westlock3: | Okay so what settings do I have to change to get my new samsung to display properly in LiveTV? |
| [01:08:11] | westlock3: | I've tried almost everything here. |
| [01:08:39] | k-man: | westlock3, how is not displaying properly? |
| [01:09:05] | westlock3: | The "Full" image is too tall and the tickers on most stations gets cut off for example. |
| [01:09:25] | sphery: | is it letterboxed before you say Full |
| [01:09:45] | sphery: | Full is a zoom mode that zooms 4:3 TV to show only the 16:9 portion |
| [01:09:55] | sphery: | cutting off top and bottom |
| [01:10:24] | sphery: | I guess it would be letterboxed and pillarboxed |
| [01:10:30] | westlock3: | I'm running 1920x1080 in my NVidia control panel. |
| [01:10:50] | sphery: | i.e. you should use Full zoom for a 16:9 show in a 4:3 signal |
| [01:11:23] | westlock3: | No it is not letterboxed before I push "W". Looks square. |
| [01:11:25] | sphery: | and over in the UK, they often send 14:9 in their 4:3 signals, so for them, you'd use Half zoom |
| [01:11:42] | sphery: | square but going to the top and bottom of tv? |
| [01:11:47] | sphery: | if so, you don't want a zoom |
| [01:11:50] | sphery: | zoom is magnify |
| [01:12:26] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: are you using vdpau or opengl? |
| [01:12:29] | sphery: | if you really want short and fat people on your TV, you can stretch the 4:3 picture to take up the whole screen by telling MythTV to treat the 4:3 picture as if it's a 16:9 aspect picture |
| [01:12:33] | westlock3: | So then for LiveTV half my pixels are useless? |
| [01:12:41] | sphery: | in which case you do MENU|Aspect Ratio|16:9 |
| [01:13:18] | sphery: | er, MENU|Video|Change Aspect Ratio|16:9 |
| [01:13:34] | westlock3: | unless I purchase HD channels or content is that correct? |
| [01:14:24] | westlock3: | I am using vdpau |
| [01:14:24] | sphery: | but if it's a 4:3 video image in a 16:9 signal (i.e. the black pillars on the sides are part of the video), you'd have to do a manual zoom and stretch it left right and not vertically |
| [01:14:29] | sphery: | and I don't think mythtv supports that |
| [01:15:39] | sphery: | westlock3: out of curiosity... what do you get from: xdpyinfo | grep -B2 resolution |
| [01:16:15] | westlock3: | screen #0: |
| [01:16:16] | westlock3: | dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (903x508 millimeters) |
| [01:16:17] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: do you need to use vdpau? can you use software decoding and opengl? |
| [01:16:18] | westlock3: | resolution: 54x54 dots per inch |
| [01:16:22] | sphery: | and which source are you using for tv? ota, cable, satellite? |
| [01:16:59] | sphery: | ok, your X is configured properly, so that means that MythTV is "doing the right thing"--i.e. displaying the video how the video asks to display it |
| [01:17:13] | westlock3: | I'm using Cable television with a basic cable lineup that includes no HD channels. I run a EN210 Asus video card. |
| [01:17:27] | sphery: | how are you capturing? |
| [01:17:46] | sphery: | is this Clear QAM |
| [01:17:49] | sphery: | or analog? |
| [01:17:54] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: if you have enough power to run the software decoder, mythtv will scan for black bars, and automatically scale |
| [01:18:05] | westlock3: | I run 2 wintv2250 cards. |
| [01:18:22] | sphery: | so that would mean digital capture of clear qam? |
| [01:18:37] | tgm4883: | when creating metadata overrides in mythvideo for tv shows, should I be doing the overrides for ttvdb.conf or tmdb.conf? |
| [01:18:53] | westlock3: | Where do I adjust the software decoder? |
| [01:18:56] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: i dont know what either of those files are |
| [01:19:07] | westlock3: | That would mean I recieve analog stations more or less over cable. |
| [01:19:11] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: the same place you turned on VDPAU, just put it back how it was |
| [01:19:11] | ** tgm4883 looks ** | |
| [01:20:04] | sphery: | westlock3: the auto-zoom maintains aspect ratio |
| [01:20:13] | westlock3: | I simply selected the Vpdau-Normal setting. That is all I did. |
| [01:20:18] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: the tmdb/ttvdb grabbers never used those |
| [01:20:26] | sphery: | the problem you have is that you're getting 4:3 aspect video and want to display it stretched to 16:9 |
| [01:20:27] | wagnerrp: | jamu used a different file for storage of its overrides |
| [01:20:43] | wagnerrp: | and while i think i may have used those in mythvidexport, it would have only been in 0.23 |
| [01:20:50] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, according to this ttvdb has an override option http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ttvdb.py |
| [01:21:12] | sphery: | there is a /very/ ugly solution you can use, but it will affect /all/ video played by mythtv--meaning that if you have any 16:9 DVDs you play or whatever, they'll be displayed with letterboxing (very wide and short) |
| [01:21:17] | wagnerrp: | it does? |
| [01:21:31] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, it can it seems |
| [01:21:38] | tgm4883: | perhaps it doesn't by default |
| [01:21:43] | tgm4883: | which may be my issue |
| [01:21:50] | ** wagnerrp checks ** | |
| [01:21:52] | westlock3: | I see. So how do I get a 16:9 source then or capture it as such or do I need a better cable package for that. Okay what is the ugly solution? |
| [01:22:12] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, under "user configuration file" |
| [01:22:14] | sphery: | westlock3: In mythfrontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, there's a setting: Video aspect override: When enabled, these will override the aspect ratio specified by any broadcaster for all video streams. |
| [01:22:25] | westlock3: | I just got all my metadata working for all my recorded iso files. TV shouldn't be that much different. |
| [01:22:37] | sphery: | westlock3: if you use that, you will get short and fat people, but they'll help take up the unused space on your screen |
| [01:22:54] | westlock3: | kk I have to go grab pizza and beer. back in a bit. |
| [01:23:01] | sphery: | the other option is to use Full zoom (or Half zoom for a nicer compromise) and cut off top/bottom of the image |
| [01:23:21] | sphery: | Half zoom was actually designed for people with wide screen TVs and square/4:3 content |
| [01:23:24] | ** tgm4883 goes over to westlock3's house ** | |
| [01:23:52] | sphery: | tgm4883: this is a jamu thing? |
| [01:23:59] | tgm4883: | sphery, is it? |
| [01:25:21] | sphery: | hmmm... guess jamu had overrides in jamu.conf |
| [01:26:06] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea it's odd |
| [01:26:09] | tgm4883: | sphery, if thats' |
| [01:26:18] | tgm4883: | sphery, if that's not right, where do overrides go? |
| [01:26:42] | sphery: | are you on 0.24-fixes? |
| [01:26:44] | sphery: | or master? |
| [01:27:06] | tgm4883: | 0.24-fixes |
| [01:28:07] | sphery: | I think for that, you'd use Jamu--I don't think MythVideo 0.24 does any automatic/background metadata grabbing, and I'm 99.99999998% positive that 0.24 doesn't do any metadata grabbing for Watch Recordings |
| [01:28:20] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu for Jamu stuff |
| [01:28:30] | tgm4883: | sphery, so heres the thing |
| [01:28:34] | sphery: | talks about overrides |
| [01:28:59] | tgm4883: | This is for a show series that I have ripped to individual episodes and stuck in the videos SG |
| [01:29:12] | tgm4883: | I've conformed to the naming guidelines |
| [01:29:20] | tgm4883: | I've done this with 2 shows |
| [01:29:36] | tgm4883: | Modern family has downloaded all the show info and screenshots, art etc |
| [01:29:52] | tgm4883: | Parenthood has downloaded show info for some show from the 1990's |
| [01:30:27] | sphery: | so sounds like with jamu, you'd use Parenthood_override section in jamu.conf |
| [01:31:32] | sphery: | tgm4883: btw, did you see dekarl's findings on the syslog configuration in Ubuntu with master? There are some permission problems and the config file needs renamed to something that comes before 50-default.conf (like 40-mythtv-rsyslog.conf) |
| [01:32:32] | tgm4883: | I didn't see that |
| [01:32:46] | wagnerrp: | what do you know... it does define overrides in those files |
| [01:33:55] | tgm4883: | Vindication! |
| [01:34:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, does the lookup happen on the backend now or the frontend in 0.24-fixes? |
| [01:35:06] | wagnerrp: | depends |
| [01:35:25] | wagnerrp: | if you run the scanner or call lookup manually from the frontend, its done in the frontend |
| [01:35:36] | wagnerrp: | if you use the backend protocol command, its done on the backend |
| [01:35:48] | tgm4883: | ok, so then I should make the overrides on both |
| [01:35:53] | sphery: | tgm4883: log file is at http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2011-09-09:04:16:49 (complete with someone's UTF-8 char that messed up the log bot :) |
| [01:36:17] | sphery: | tgm4883: [04:54:24] for the summary |
| [01:36:57] | sphery: | tgm4883: really, you'll get all the importan info reading from 4:54 to 5:13 |
| [01:37:06] | sphery: | (short section) |
| [01:39:03] | sphery: | So, I'm starting to wonder if I no longer remember which movies I've seen because I've seen more than some critical number of movies and had an "out of memory" error or if I'm just getting old and getting bad memory... I used to never forget which movies I'd seen/not seen, but here I am watching a movie I recorded that I've seen but that I forgot I had seen. |
| [01:40:11] | tgm4883: | sphery, got it, and that is for 0.25? |
| [01:40:20] | sphery: | tgm4883: yep, 0.25 only |
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| [01:40:34] | tgm4883: | ok |
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| [01:41:05] | sphery: | I'd appreciate your just updating the wiki page with the changes--or at least sending me a copy of the config Ubuntu uses and I'll update the page |
| [01:41:18] | tgm4883: | will do |
| [01:41:42] | tgm4883: | I'll dig into this in a bit, going to try this ttvdb override then eat dinner |
| [01:41:45] | sphery: | I figure if we keep that wiki page in line with Ubuntu's config, it will make things easier for our large percentage of users who are running mythbuntu |
| [01:41:51] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:42:26] | sphery: | so, for my own knowledge, who's calling this ttvdb.py script? is it when you hit W in mythvideo or is it being run automatically? |
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| [01:44:04] | sphery: | I haven't really dug into the metadata stuff, yet, since I don't archive shows, so I don't move them to MythVideo and 0.24 doesn't have the built-in metadata support for watch recordings, so I don't use that, really (I've actually put a few pieces of artwork in place manually, but never set up jamu) |
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| [01:45:50] | tgm4883: | sphery, I assume it's being run when you select mass metadata update |
| [01:46:54] | sphery: | would that be the "Retrieve All Details" thing in MythVideo? |
| [01:46:59] | sphery: | guess I've never actually chosen that |
| [01:47:11] | tgm4883: | sphery, yep |
| [01:47:14] | sphery: | it sounds like it's basically the all videos equivalent of hitting w on one, though |
| [01:47:21] | sphery: | didn't realize that was in 0.24 |
| [01:47:24] | sphery: | pretty cool |
| [01:47:32] | tgm4883: | sphery, well hitting W on each one doesn't work for TV shows |
| [01:48:02] | tgm4883: | for instance, I do it on episode 1 of parenthood, and it shows up as "Parenthood (2010)" |
| [01:48:12] | tgm4883: | not with episode name and description |
| [01:48:18] | sphery: | ahh |
| [01:48:30] | sphery: | ok, another question--is Parenthood worth watching? |
| [01:48:34] | tgm4883: | and I must have done the override incorrectly, as it didn't gather the right show again |
| [01:48:38] | tgm4883: | it must really like the 90's |
| [01:48:48] | sphery: | I started Modern Family this summer--and it was great--but haven't started Parenthood, yet |
| [01:48:53] | tgm4883: | It's not the worse thing I've seen, the wifey likes it |
| [01:49:03] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:49:15] | tgm4883: | It's more drama than comedy I would say |
| [01:49:21] | tgm4883: | I'm only a few episodes in though |
| [01:49:39] | sphery: | ah, yeah, it's an hour-long show--I was thinking it was a half-hour comedy |
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| [02:04:51] | wagnerrp: | modern family was great, and then they started advertising for apple |
| [02:05:40] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [02:06:13] | sphery: | any more, though, it's actually fun to see product placement ads in good shows--get to see who's paying for your good TV |
| [02:06:41] | wagnerrp: | but that wasnt product placement |
| [02:06:51] | wagnerrp: | that was a whole show dedicated to the glorious ipad |
| [02:07:03] | wagnerrp: | the whole friggen thing |
| [02:08:36] | sphery: | I assumed that was a paid-for-by-Apple thing |
| [02:09:23] | wagnerrp: | they never said anything as such |
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| [05:19:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: version 3.x... why would have thought! |
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| [05:24:07] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [06:54:13] | westlock3: | Hey can blue ray dvd's be played over mythtv? |
| [06:54:29] | [R]: | its in the wiki |
| [06:54:39] | westlock3: | okay |
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| [07:17:43] | dekarl: | sphery: EIT signals what is going to be transmitted in the ComponentDescriptors which get parsed around here https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ptors.h#L369 Might be worth to get jm|laptop to pastebin what dvbsnoop thinks of the EIT events (do they contain the descriptors or not) |
| [07:17:43] | dekarl: | tgm4883: with the new rsyslog config writing more log files, it might be nice to add them to the apport hook, too. |
| [07:25:28] | dekarl: | sphery: and we are not handling Stream_content=0x05 (H2.64/AVC), Component_type=0x80–0x83 => 3D compatible HD, widescreen |
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| [11:57:03] | justinh: | well, here goes phase 1 of the backend HDD upgrade. the big rsync |
| [11:57:54] | justinh: | incidentally today I powered up the backend's monitor & among other onscreen dialogs saw a HDD space warning about / only having about 2GB free. which must've been very old. maybe my mysql install is poorly now |
| [11:58:10] | justinh: | which would go a long way to explain the backend deadlocks |
| [12:01:40] | justinh: | I think part of this disk rearranging should be making a new partition for mysql |
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| [12:19:33] | quicksilver: | big rsyncs? ah, memories of the days before lvm :) |
| [12:19:39] | justinh: | ah and to make things even more fun my new 3TB HDDs don't work with the USB sata adapter I bought ages ago. boo |
| [12:19:55] | justinh: | quicksilver: I'm replacing HDDs, not adding |
| [12:20:10] | justinh: | had the current ones in for about 2 years now. time to change |
| [12:20:49] | quicksilver: | yes. |
| [12:20:50] | justinh: | lucky I have a desktop machine with a spare sata port.. pop the 3TB HDD in, boot into linux... format, mount & rsync away |
| [12:20:59] | quicksilver: | I always use lvm when adding hdds. |
| [12:21:04] | quicksilver: | replacing, I mean |
| [12:21:12] | justinh: | don't see the point in lvm |
| [12:21:12] | quicksilver: | it means you can do it all live and online and it's easier :) |
| [12:21:25] | quicksilver: | the point of lvm is it makes it easier when you add/remove/replace/reconfigure disks. |
| [12:21:37] | justinh: | I've got to take the box out of its house to do the hardware swap anyway |
| [12:22:02] | justinh: | you lvm guys.. you're evangelical to a fault :-P |
| [12:22:06] | ** quicksilver shrugs ** | |
| [12:22:25] | justinh: | lvm won't make what I'm doing any faster or easier or anything else |
| [12:23:37] | justinh: | reminds me.. better check my network connection is still gigabit. stupidbuntu live cd only have me 100M when I booted up |
| [12:23:52] | quicksilver: | I think not having to rsync is easier than having to rsync, but it's not really worth arguing about :) |
| [12:23:54] | k-man: | i've written a brew formula to attempt to build mythtv – it fails for me, but i'd be interested to know if it works (or how it fails) for other people with macs, anyone want to give it ago? |
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| [12:24:40] | heinzie80: | hi, anyone available for help? Can't get my setup to work.... I See "format_to_mode() does not recognize V4L1" message in backend log.... |
| [12:24:47] | justinh: | quicksilver: I might look into it, but I know bugger all about lvm & can't see how it'd help |
| [12:24:55] | heinzie80: | sorry if I am doing something wrong, I am new to IRC, please let me know if I am doing something inappropriate |
| [12:25:18] | justinh: | plus I'd likely need to be doing all this on the backend anyway.. which isn't an option right now.. hence doing the sync over the network :-) |
| [12:26:14] | Twiggy2cents: | heinzie80, the mornings(in us times) are slow on here. If you come back in about 8 hours there is a lot more activity in here. Also you could try the mailing list. |
| [12:26:41] | justinh: | heinzie80: you can also try putting the whole of the log into a pastebin on pastebin.com, paste the resulting URL here & get folks to have a look |
| [12:27:20] | justinh: | but from the line you just pasted it looks like your kernel has no V4L1 support & the mythtv version you've got relies on V4L1 not V4L2 |
| [12:27:59] | quicksilver: | so here is a weird issue. My recordings occasionally jump back 10 minutes. |
| [12:28:07] | quicksilver: | it's as if there are phantom IR codes coming in |
| [12:28:10] | quicksilver: | or phantom keypresses. |
| [12:28:16] | justinh: | so you can either use a slightly older kernel where V4L1 is not deprecated, or use a newer mythtv 0.24-fixes – which if I remember right is set up not to use V4L1 calls |
| [12:28:24] | quicksilver: | I disabled lirc, I think, and it still happens |
| [12:28:35] | heinzie80: | Thanks guys, I've noticed it's kinda slow on this channel. Will come back in 8 hours or so... And I will take a look at pastebin... |
| [12:28:35] | quicksilver: | anyboyd got any smart ideas how to check what's happening? |
| [12:28:35] | justinh: | quicksilver: weird. vnc or anything going too? |
| [12:28:39] | quicksilver: | justinh: nope |
| [12:28:51] | quicksilver: | I'm wondering if my PS/2 keyboard port is knackered and generating phantom keys |
| [12:28:55] | quicksilver: | but that's a bit weird |
| [12:28:55] | justinh: | quicksilver: seektables ok? |
| [12:29:16] | quicksilver: | justinh: well, in the menu it will occosioanally move selected item |
| [12:29:23] | justinh: | ahh – you could check with one of the X keyboard monitoring wotsits I suppose |
| [12:29:24] | quicksilver: | and in liveTV it occasionally switches channel |
| [12:29:29] | quicksilver: | so I'm sure it's phantom keys of some kind |
| [12:29:37] | quicksilver: | have switched the keyboard to a different one... |
| [12:29:45] | quicksilver: | and I think i've disabled lirc. And it still happens! |
| [12:29:47] | heinzie80: | @justinh: How can I check whether my kernel has V4l1 support? |
| [12:29:55] | heinzie80: | I am using the latest mythbuntu.... |
| [12:30:04] | justinh: | heinzie80: it won't have then |
| [12:30:09] | quicksilver: | justinh: that's a good idea. I'll fire up xev and see if it registers anything. |
| [12:30:35] | justinh: | heinzie80: I suspect your tuner card is too crappy, and has old or just rubbish drivers |
| [12:30:58] | justinh: | what *is* the tuner you're trying to use, heinzie80 ? |
| [12:30:58] | heinzie80: | It's an old one indeed.... Hauppauge 150 |
| [12:31:08] | justinh: | should be ok |
| [12:31:17] | justinh: | I suggest asking in #mythbuntu then |
| [12:31:34] | heinzie80: | yes but it's even more quite in there.... |
| [12:31:36] | justinh: | they know more about what their distro does than anybody |
| [12:31:48] | justinh: | try their forums too |
| [12:31:55] | heinzie80: | I will go there in 8 hours.... |
| [12:31:59] | justinh: | again, even slower... |
| [12:33:28] | heinzie80: | Justinf, can you advice me in what distro to use? |
| [12:33:51] | justinh: | mythbuntu should just work with that tuner card |
| [12:35:19] | heinzie80: | Ok, I'll stick with mythbuntu then..... |
| [12:35:29] | heinzie80: | Thanks for your help |
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| [13:53:18] | Seeker`: | bah, my backend now occasionally refuses to tune some channels, needs a reboot to get it back |
| [13:53:21] | Seeker`: | nothing in dmesg |
| [13:53:29] | Seeker`: | or anything obvious in the backend log either |
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| [14:00:13] | westlock3: | How do I get to the "Utilities" section? |
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| [14:06:34] | westlock3: | 16:9 override rocks. |
| [14:06:46] | westlock3: | Solved my alignment issues. |
| [14:11:29] | justinh: | had to start my rsync again, thanks to my son's meddling. heh |
| [14:12:38] | quicksilver: | well at least rsyncs restart without wasting work :) |
| [14:12:43] | Seeker`: | justinh: what did eh do? |
| [14:13:16] | justinh: | he grabbed the mouse from the desk & just kept hitting the buttons & moving it around. sooner or later he was gonna close something |
| [14:13:23] | Seeker`: | ah |
| [14:13:28] | Seeker`: | how old is he? |
| [14:13:36] | justinh: | 13.5 months |
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| [14:13:44] | Seeker`: | fair enough |
| [14:13:53] | Seeker`: | can't really be expected to know better :P |
| [14:14:27] | justinh: | so far only the "OMG DANGER" 'Noooooooooooooooooo' seems to stop him in his tracks. anything else he carries on regardless |
| [14:14:36] | justinh: | so if it's not dangerous... er... |
| [14:14:54] | justinh: | like he can tell the difference |
| [14:15:16] | justinh: | oh well, I will try & do important stuff while he's still awake ;) |
| [14:15:39] | Seeker`: | screen + close the terminal? |
| [14:15:44] | justinh: | you can imagine the 'fun' we had with him helping assemble the toy chest we just bought |
| [14:15:51] | justinh: | I'm lazy. it's grsync |
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| [14:17:34] | justinh: | now, if my usb sata adapter supported these new disks properly I'd prolly have just done it all in the cupboard where the backend lives |
| [14:18:40] | justinh: | but it doesn't so I'm stuck with this way. Still means I need to buy a new adapter, or at least bring the connections out somehow |
| [14:30:53] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: Hitting W on TV shows absolute does work |
| [14:31:19] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: If Your parenthood got picked up as a Movie, which it sounds like it did, then you have a file naming convention issue |
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| [14:32:13] | iamlindoro: | You can provide a filename, path and logs when you press W and I can tell you where your issue lies |
| [14:32:24] | iamlindoro: | But "W" is the same exact thing as fetching details in the menu |
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| [14:42:49] | westlock3: | iamlindoro your pretty good with metadata scripts right? |
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| [14:48:05] | snwblind: | hi, i'm having some problems on getting mymote on iphone to work. I've enabled network remote control interface from the fronted and tried netcatting and telnetting the port 6546 and got through from another computer succesfully. Problem is that mymote finds my backend and frontend but gets stuck on "Connecting…" screen. Any good ideas what i might be missing and is there anything else that needs be done to get the remote control w |
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| [14:49:40] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: I wrote the infrastructure/myth code that uses the metadata scripts, and their specification. I didn't write the scripts. |
| [14:50:15] | iamlindoro: | ie, I'm the one who dictated what the script format should look like, how they should operate, etc., and wrote the code to make myth use them |
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| [14:59:52] | westlock3: | Interesting information. That would be why I saw reference to you trying different metadata grabbers for different movie databases for alternative content. Is there anything written for grabbing metadata content for adult content? |
| [15:01:24] | westlock3: | Here is an interesting picture of my mythtv setup. http://ioio.ca/snapshot11.png I still have a few more dvd's to backup. |
| [15:03:02] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: We have never had anyone volunteer to write an adult movie grabber-- but as I said to you in channel the other day, if you write one, and it's compliant with that source's terms of service, I have no problem with integrating it |
| [15:03:46] | iamlindoro: | Since we have no automatic way of differentiating adult content with regular movie content, it would probably need to be invoked from the menu or a keystroke versus running automatically, but it's better than nothing |
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| [15:05:34] | westlock3: | Well analysis takes a bit. I've already started collecting scripts. Implementation and coding well thats a ways down the road but there should be some hack eventually. For the few titles I have It would be just as easy to search online and cut copy and paste. |
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| [15:05:59] | ** iamlindoro shrugs ** | |
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| [15:06:18] | iamlindoro: | I'm not here to convince you to do it-- if you feel the desire to do it, do so, if you don't, don't |
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| [15:06:42] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: I know an awful lot of effort has gone into automatically differentiating TV from Films etc by context/metadata, but maybe there's room for a user-toggable 'type' e.g. TV, Film, Adult, Home Video |
| [15:07:53] | westlock3: | The script itself tmdb.py or whatever it is does not look that complex or long for the most part. |
| [15:08:14] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: There is definitely room for it, though I am not sure I want to bolt it on to the existing schema versus writing a newer, better one |
| [15:08:49] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: the tmdb script doesn't look complex because most of the real work is in the bindings, which contain the "meat" of the interaction with the TMDB API |
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| [15:16:28] | FabriceMG: | iamlindoro, hello, I work on Allocine APIv3, 1 script for movie and 1 script for television, the backend use the command "-D" for the Fanart, Converart ...? |
| [15:17:55] | iamlindoro: | Artwork doesn't have its own command line |
| [15:18:24] | iamlindoro: | Read the Universal metadata format page and comply with it to make your script work |
| [15:18:45] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format |
| [15:18:53] | FabriceMG: | yes sir |
| [15:19:13] | iamlindoro: | That page shows you what exact format to follow, which command line switches to use, etc. |
| [15:19:22] | FabriceMG: | yep |
| [15:19:36] | FabriceMG: | I make , I make |
| [15:19:37] | iamlindoro: | So.... do that. |
| [15:21:04] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: been thinking about if it's a good thing to extend the image types to the kinds provided here: http://fanart.tv/ |
| [15:21:25] | dekarl: | would be an easy addition as they use the tvdb series id as primary key |
| [15:23:23] | westlock3: | Yeah there is alot I'm not seeing by just reading the tmdb.py. Otherwise I see most of the other grabbers out there for xmbc use pretty much the same type of fields to pull metadata. I just don't see where to change the lookup url/address to start inputing different data. Where do I find the application programming interface? |
| [15:25:00] | westlock3: | Perhaps better to look at the giantbomb directory for a better example. |
| [15:25:06] | dekarl: | westlock3: you'll have to ask your data source for their API |
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| [15:26:38] | westlock3: | Most are just scrapper scripts. Some pull information from excalibur films, adultdvdempire or the iafd.com site. The last might be the closest to having an api. |
| [15:26:57] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: dekarl is correct-- we don't care how you interact with the source, we just care that you output the XML in the correct format |
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| [15:27:55] | dekarl: | westlock3: you pick your grabber at the frontend und "grabber and datasources" in the configuration menu |
| [15:28:02] | iamlindoro: | dekarl: Adding an image type is a single line in a header file, adding support to actually grab them and use them significantly more-- I'd be fine with adding support for an image type if someone turned up with a patch to pull in the image urls in the grabber |
| [15:28:36] | iamlindoro: | (ie, I don't want to have a totally separate grabber just to bolt on another image type, it would need to be integrated into the existing one) |
| [15:29:41] | westlock3: | http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-adult/ << There is where some examples are that would have to be adapted. |
| [15:31:39] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: I agree, it should be an extension of the existing grabber. But then I've never even looked at Python code.... So don't hold your breath. |
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| [15:34:02] | westlock3: | http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-adult/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk There – Looks like I've found some reading material for today. |
| [15:34:47] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: None of that is going to be useful in any way for our grabbers |
| [15:35:10] | gabrielht44: | hola, please, i need help. my PlusTV (PVR-TV 305U) the sound don't work |
| [15:35:17] | iamlindoro: | Our grabbers are not remotely related to XBMC scrapers |
| [15:35:48] | iamlindoro: | You need to read and understand our metadata format, and then read an understand a given site's API, then use the API to transform the resulting data into XML compatible with our metadata format |
| [15:35:52] | dekarl: | westlock3: you do realize that they are scraping from websites likely violating the ToS? |
| [15:36:01] | iamlindoro: | ^^ And yes, that's a problem for us too |
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| [15:36:54] | gabrielht44: | I use Ububtu 10.04 and I probe all in XML (line, sound, etc) |
| [15:37:47] | dekarl: | might be easier to talk to iafd or excalibur about using they're data. Maybe they're open to the idea of having they're catalogue nicely handled in media centers |
| [15:39:34] | westlock3: | The iafd.com people are all for it but that data is exacting and mostly incomplete. This will take some research. |
| [15:41:51] | MP44: | Hi guys, does anybody know where the magic happened in udev on ubuntu 11.04? |
| [15:42:04] | MP44: | soryy, for dvb-t |
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| [15:42:50] | MP44: | I can create my own rules by I would like to prevent dvb/adapter[0–9]/dvr[0–9] to be created |
| [15:45:58] | justinh: | grrr another backend lockup :-\ |
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| [15:49:45] | justinh: | oh wait. stupid lircd |
| [15:50:03] | justinh: | nothing but trouble ever since I switched to STUPIDLOODYBUNTU |
| [15:51:00] | justinh: | I touch nothing, I update nothing automatically – and yet – once in a blue moon lirc decides not to work, or mythfrontend doesn't start automatically.. or... a/v sync is all to hell... or something else. all apparently random |
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| [16:11:18] | qwebirc25547: | Looking for some help with VDPAU. When I use the VDPAU Normal or VDPAU Slim profile I get audio glitches where you'll hear maybe half a second of audio from about 5–10 seconds in the past. This is happening on two different frontends and it even happened while playing a DVD. If I go back to CPU+ or Slim it's fine but won't play HD content. Any ideas? |
| [16:12:02] | qwebirc25547: | The log file shows all kinds of "Waited 100ms for video buffers" |
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| [16:45:54] | sdkovacs: | In mythweb, the Upcoming Recordings page says it's recording 'The View' (don't ask) on 9/14/11. The View is not in the recording schedule and does not show up in recorded programs. There's no option to cancel the recording. |
| [16:46:28] | sdkovacs: | In backend status none of the tuners are recording |
| [16:47:06] | sdkovacs: | How can I get rid of that 'recording' in Ucoming Recordings |
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| [17:03:35] | FabriceMG: | iamlindoro, need help, in data grab , tag "popularity" between "userrating"? and maximun value is 10? |
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| [17:11:48] | wagnerrp: | quicksilver: LVM would only make the process easier if he were replacing one of the drives in an array |
| [17:12:08] | wagnerrp: | since hes swapping an independent drive out for a large one, it would do nothing to help |
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| [17:16:30] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: the tmdb.py and ttvdb.py scripts may be a poor choice to follow as a guide when developing your own |
| [17:17:14] | wagnerrp: | they pull data from the guide using python, and then run an XSLT program to convert the API results into a format that mythtv will accept |
| [17:17:40] | wagnerrp: | if you don't understand XSLT, it is considerably different in syntax to most programming languages and may as well be a black box |
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| [17:20:47] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: at the moment, i dont believe it is actually used |
| [17:21:02] | wagnerrp: | userrating is from 0–10 |
| [17:21:09] | wagnerrp: | (popularity isnt used) |
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| [18:13:49] | Solaris444: | Hi all. I have a strange issue with MythTV running on openSuSE 11.3... I seem to be getting a slightly less than 25 fps frame rate when watching TV (PAL region). |
| [18:14:01] | Solaris444: | The same system had no issues with openSuSE 11.1 |
| [18:14:14] | Solaris444: | It is a quad core system with 4GB of RAM |
| [18:14:53] | Solaris444: | Does anybody know why this could be? |
| [18:15:15] | wagnerrp: | slightly less than? like mythtv is complaining that its dropping frames? |
| [18:15:59] | Solaris444: | In its logs you mean? |
| [18:16:07] | Solaris444: | Not that I can see. |
| [18:16:13] | Solaris444: | No error messages on screen either. |
| [18:16:24] | Solaris444: | On the other frontend, it comes through very crisply. |
| [18:16:36] | Solaris444: | So it's not dropping them during writing them to disk at least. |
| [18:17:12] | wagnerrp: | why do you say its running less than 25fps then if there are no warnings in the logs? |
| [18:17:34] | Solaris444: | I mean it just "looks" that way. That's why I wrote "seem to be". |
| [18:18:16] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? what playback profile? |
| [18:18:16] | Solaris444: | I'm using the proprietary Nvidia driver for the graphics card (Geforce 8400 or 8500 I think). |
| [18:18:28] | Solaris444: | vdpau graphics profile. |
| [18:18:43] | Solaris444: | I've tried changing it, it doesn't seem to make a difference. |
| [18:19:12] | Solaris444: | I have also verified that the card does support vdpau |
| [18:19:59] | wagnerrp: | which card and which vdpau profile? |
| [18:20:19] | Solaris444: | Geforce 8400. |
| [18:20:24] | Solaris444: | High vdpau profile. |
| [18:20:29] | Solaris444: | Tried the others too. |
| [18:20:31] | Solaris444: | Didn't help. |
| [18:20:51] | wagnerrp: | the 8400 does not have enough power for the deinterlacers on vdpau high quality |
| [18:21:00] | wagnerrp: | it will result in the behavior you describe |
| [18:21:04] | wagnerrp: | try vdpau slim |
| [18:21:08] | Solaris444: | OK. |
| [18:21:16] | Solaris444: | will do. |
| [18:21:39] | Solaris444: | Also, could it be possible that desktop compositing is causing a problem? |
| [18:21:51] | Solaris444: | It's enabled by default in 11.3, but not 11.1 |
| [18:22:00] | Solaris444: | And on the 11.1 install, I did not have this issue. |
| [18:22:28] | wagnerrp: | if you enable the composite extension in Xorg, you will have problems with frame tearing |
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| [18:25:07] | Solaris444: | I don't get any frame tearing. |
| [18:25:22] | Solaris444: | In opensuse 11.3, it's listed as "Desktop Effects". |
| [18:25:47] | wagnerrp: | thats probably compiz |
| [18:25:57] | Solaris444: | Under "Compositing state". Ah, yes I think you are right. |
| [18:25:58] | wagnerrp: | are you actually running a desktop? or is this a dedicated frontend? |
| [18:26:23] | Solaris444: | It runs as a dedicated frontend on top of openSuSE 11.3 desktop install. |
| [18:26:56] | wagnerrp: | why not trash the desktop manager, trash compiz |
| [18:27:11] | wagnerrp: | and just autostart into mythfrontend running something like evilwm or ratpoison, or fluxbox |
| [18:27:39] | justinh: | my myth system is currently wobbly enough without compiz ;) |
| [18:27:41] | Solaris444: | I could try that, but that's obviously a more drastic step. |
| [18:28:05] | Solaris444: | I found that when I first started using MythTV, openSuSE had the best hardware support. |
| [18:28:12] | justinh: | wha? |
| [18:28:13] | Solaris444: | And best raid/filesystem support. |
| [18:28:19] | Solaris444: | very much so justinh. |
| [18:28:33] | wagnerrp: | they all have the same hardware and raid/filesystem support |
| [18:28:36] | Solaris444: | I couldn't get any of the other dedicated myth distros to recognise the tv card. |
| [18:28:39] | wagnerrp: | because thats all built into the same kernel |
| [18:28:56] | Solaris444: | There was a big difference at the time. |
| [18:29:03] | Solaris444: | openSuSE ships the firmware too. |
| [18:29:11] | wagnerrp: | they all ship the firmware |
| [18:29:22] | Solaris444: | None of them did when I started. |
| [18:29:33] | justinh: | que sera :P |
| [18:29:50] | justinh: | hmm. seems my el cheapo gig E switch is easily maxed out |
| [18:30:12] | Solaris444: | In any case, I have previously found openSuSE to be a good platform form myth, and although I may change that in future, for now I just want it to keep running. |
| [18:30:25] | wagnerrp: | in any case, if you are running a dedicated mythfrontend, you should not be running KDE or compiz |
| [18:30:39] | justinh: | well, certainly little point changing distro 'just because of one little annoying thing' |
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| [18:30:54] | Solaris444: | That was my thinking as well justinh. |
| [18:31:10] | Solaris444: | I'll try disabling compiz, and check the playback profile. |
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| [18:31:39] | Solaris444: | if it's a geforce 8500, will that support vdpau high? |
| [18:31:49] | justinh: | likely not |
| [18:31:53] | wagnerrp: | not high, but it will support normal |
| [18:32:02] | Solaris444: | ok. no problem. |
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| [18:32:17] | Solaris444: | incidentally, mythtv doesn't support pulseaudio right? |
| [18:32:28] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i would be saying to take the same 'drastic' actions on any of the 'desktop' distros |
| [18:32:32] | wagnerrp: | it does, sort of |
| [18:32:37] | wagnerrp: | but youre much better without it |
| [18:32:48] | justinh: | PA == PITA |
| [18:32:52] | Solaris444: | fair enough. |
| [18:32:58] | Solaris444: | good to know for future reference. |
| [18:33:00] | justinh: | esp. since it apparently can't do digital audio passthru |
| [18:33:05] | Solaris444: | it's optional in opensuse. |
| [18:33:14] | Solaris444: | oh, well that's no use at all then. |
| [18:33:18] | Solaris444: | scratch pulse. |
| [18:34:12] | wagnerrp: | pulse is an unnecessary middleman in nearly all systems |
| [18:34:53] | Solaris444: | One other question. On another frontend, when watching tv, I get video and audio artifacts in playback that *look* like the kind you get from bad digital tv signal, but playing back on the master, they are not present. |
| [18:35:09] | wagnerrp: | a VDPAU frontend? |
| [18:35:11] | Solaris444: | Indicating that somehow, they are introduced during transport to the frontend. |
| [18:35:16] | Solaris444: | No, not a vdpau frontend. |
| [18:35:25] | wagnerrp: | huh... XvMC? |
| [18:35:55] | Solaris444: | Not 100% sure. I don't have access to that frontend right now. Could be though. |
| [18:36:14] | Solaris444: | It's a P4 3.2GHz with 1GB RAM and an Intel graphics chip. |
| [18:37:29] | wagnerrp: | try changing it to the Slim profile, and see if that goes away |
| [18:37:49] | Solaris444: | XvMC slim you mean? |
| [18:38:00] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [18:38:10] | wagnerrp: | no, just Slim, so its not trying to use XvMC |
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| [18:38:49] | Solaris444: | ohhh |
| [18:39:11] | Solaris444: | so the other vdpau one, stop trying to use vdpau entirely? |
| [18:39:20] | Solaris444: | and let the quad core processor do the work? |
| [18:39:31] | Korny2: | which machine are you talking about... |
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| [18:41:01] | Solaris444: | the one with the geforce 8400 |
| [18:41:12] | Solaris444: | the combined backend/frontend |
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| [18:41:33] | wagnerrp: | Solaris444: if you continue to have problems, that is an option |
| [18:41:43] | Solaris444: | fair enough. |
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| [18:42:01] | Solaris444: | So you think the artifacts on the other one might be related to the playback profile also? |
| [18:42:24] | Solaris444: | (incidentally, is playback profile on for TV, or stored movies too?) |
| [18:42:27] | Solaris444: | *only |
| [18:42:34] | Korny2: | Thats a boarderline machine for mpeg2 HD I would think |
| [18:42:43] | wagnerrp: | for anything you use the Internal player for |
| [18:43:07] | wagnerrp: | a 3.2 P4 is borderline for HD MPEG2, but it should run anything you come across |
| [18:43:21] | wagnerrp: | if its MPEG4, youre probably not going to have enough power |
| [18:44:55] | Solaris444: | Well the digital tv is mpeg 2, and it was having the artifact issue on standard definition playback. |
| [18:45:02] | Solaris444: | 720p transmission. |
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| [18:46:28] | Solaris444: | I guess all I can do is try adjusting the playback profiles. |
| [18:46:32] | Solaris444: | Thanks guys. |
| [18:46:50] | Solaris444: | By the way, any exciting features in upcoming 0.25? |
| [18:49:04] | wagnerrp: | see the release notes on the wiki |
| [18:49:33] | Korny2: | Depends what you find exciting :P |
| [18:49:57] | Solaris444: | lol |
| [18:50:05] | Solaris444: | oh, it's out already is it? |
| [18:50:20] | justinh: | no |
| [18:50:24] | Korny2: | I'm confused by the new metadata look up methods, because I don't have any issues with the current one :/ |
| [18:50:38] | Korny2: | I'm assuming it will just be more robust |
| [18:50:45] | Solaris444: | what's the new metadata lookup method? |
| [18:50:47] | justinh: | gah. doing a diff on an nfs share vs a local copy seems to overload my network |
| [18:51:04] | Solaris444: | Also, why was XvMC removed? (just out of interest) |
| [18:51:14] | Solaris444: | overload how justinh? |
| [18:51:18] | Solaris444: | too much traffic? |
| [18:51:21] | justinh: | yup |
| [18:52:05] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: well thats the thing, there are no existing metadata look up methods |
| [18:52:26] | Solaris444: | that seems odd justinh. You're on a gigabit network? |
| [18:52:47] | Korny2: | eh? SO what grabbing all the Movie info,actors, ect? |
| [18:52:56] | justinh: | Solaris444: yeah |
| [18:53:07] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: are you talking about recordings or video? |
| [18:53:21] | Korny2: | Video...... maybe thats where i"m confused |
| [18:53:24] | Solaris444: | ... ouch justinh. Wonder why it's generating so much traffic. |
| [18:53:35] | wagnerrp: | video, nothing has changed between 0.24 and 0.25 |
| [18:53:54] | wagnerrp: | recordings, now have access to the metadata grabbers that video formerly used |
| [18:53:56] | justinh: | Solaris444: like a whole bucketload of dirs full of smallish files |
| [18:53:58] | Korny2: | AHHH |
| [18:54:00] | Solaris444: | Interesting, so mythtv 0.25 supports blu-ray playback? I thought there were no current methods to do so on Linux? |
| [18:54:15] | Solaris444: | justinh: ahhhh. NFS seems to suck for those. |
| [18:54:23] | wagnerrp: | Solaris444: 0.24 supports bluray playback too |
| [18:54:27] | Solaris444: | You have async set on your NFS shares? |
| [18:54:36] | justinh: | erm... can't remember |
| [18:54:39] | wagnerrp: | but youre limited to whatever the decryption libraries can handle |
| [18:54:55] | justinh: | Solaris444: nope |
| [18:55:04] | wagnerrp: | which means AACS stuff for which you have the keyfile configured for |
| [18:55:07] | Solaris444: | wagnerrp: i had no idea... I didn't know there were any Linux decryption libraries for bluray at all. |
| [18:55:12] | wagnerrp: | no bd+ |
| [18:55:13] | justinh: | ah though it might be mounted async |
| [18:55:41] | Solaris444: | justinh: You probably want to set it to async. performance is abysmal if you don't have it set. |
| [18:55:46] | Solaris444: | Even though it violates the nfs standard. |
| [18:56:05] | Solaris444: | bd+ is that virtual machine thing right wagnerrp? |
| [18:56:08] | justinh: | was getting pretty darn fast file copies before |
| [18:56:19] | wagnerrp: | Solaris444: correct |
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| [18:56:37] | Solaris444: | ah. wonder how reverse engineering that is going. should be interesting. |
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| [18:58:24] | wagnerrp: | considering commercial firms (slysoft) have been doing it for years, im going to say slowly |
| [18:58:48] | Solaris444: | *nods* Bluray never really took hold of the market I guess. It's all download now. |
| [18:59:03] | Solaris444: | In any case, thankyou gents for your advice. I'll see what I can work out. |
| [18:59:15] | wagnerrp: | any downloaded content through amazon or itunes will be DRM'd as well, and unusable by mythtv |
| [18:59:20] | Solaris444: | And just by the way, is there a reason you recommend against using XvMC? |
| [18:59:37] | Solaris444: | amazon and itunes is not available everywhere I'm afraid. |
| [18:59:52] | wagnerrp: | because XvMC is old garbage that is only good for partial offload |
| [19:00:02] | wagnerrp: | and has not been supported in hardware for several generations anyway |
| [19:00:10] | Solaris444: | surely partial offload is better than no offload in some instances? |
| [19:00:15] | justinh: | nope |
| [19:00:22] | Solaris444: | ah ok. i guess not then! |
| [19:00:23] | Solaris444: | :D |
| [19:00:27] | wagnerrp: | no, not when you consider the limitations of other things like OSD that it entails |
| [19:00:33] | Solaris444: | thanks chaps. |
| [19:00:37] | Solaris444: | always a pleasure. |
| [19:00:39] | justinh: | believe it or not, xvmc sucked. I totally relied upon it with my 1st frontend |
| [19:00:42] | wagnerrp: | and its limitations on supporting things like corrupted video |
| [19:00:48] | Solaris444: | ahhh |
| [19:00:55] | Solaris444: | I'll be sure to avoid it in future then. |
| [19:00:57] | wagnerrp: | Solaris444: what im getting at is that downloaded content isnt really an option for mythtv |
| [19:01:14] | wagnerrp: | since there are only going to be a couple venues offering it, and its all going to be drm'd and unusable |
| [19:01:20] | Solaris444: | No interest in a netflix plugin for mythtv? Is that even possible? |
| [19:01:28] | Korny2: | netflix for linux == no go |
| [19:01:36] | Korny2: | ALthough, amazon prime work sin linux |
| [19:01:36] | Solaris444: | Oh. They said that did they? |
| [19:02:02] | Solaris444: | Netflix seem to be doing a good job of shooting themselves in the foot lately. |
| [19:02:08] | Korny2: | UNless things have changed in the last 3 months, the DRM used for netflix was windows and mac only |
| [19:02:26] | Solaris444: | Well... there's netflix for playstation and xbox... |
| [19:02:27] | wagnerrp: | netflix uses silverlight, which is only available on windows and osx, correct |
| [19:02:39] | Solaris444: | and roku box and boxee... |
| [19:02:47] | Korny2: | I'm sure if someone was intelligent enough they could do something with amazon which is flash based I believe |
| [19:02:57] | Korny2: | ANd does work with linux |
| [19:02:57] | Solaris444: | interesting. |
| [19:03:12] | Solaris444: | might be worth looking into. |
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| [19:03:32] | Korny2: | Whats the plugin that does podcasts and such? |
| [19:03:45] | wagnerrp: | amazon streaming would work |
| [19:03:53] | wagnerrp: | but we dont have cookies properly set up to function at the moment |
| [19:04:07] | Solaris444: | right. |
| [19:04:19] | Solaris444: | well it's not a major issue anyway. :) |
| [19:04:26] | Solaris444: | cheers chaps, now I really have to be off. |
| [19:04:32] | Solaris444: | I'll try to report back as soon as I can. |
| [19:04:37] | Solaris444: | let you know the results. |
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| [19:05:36] | sphery: | yay, theinq fixed their rss... wonder if it was coincidental timing coming the day after my e-mail (and 4 work days after they broke it) or related... |
| [19:11:39] | ** wagnerrp needs to grease up his joystick ** | |
| [19:11:55] | wagnerrp: | its been sitting on a shelf for a year, the pivot is starting to stick |
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| [19:14:58] | qwebirc25547: | I asked a question a couple hours ago on here but don't think anyone with answers saw it.....do I ask it again or learn to be more patient :) |
| [19:15:52] | iamlindoro: | Waiting a few hours then repeating yourself is a-ojk |
| [19:15:54] | iamlindoro: | er a-ok |
| [19:16:04] | iamlindoro: | In fact, you will be the first person ever to do it, despite it being the rule ;) |
| [19:16:21] | iamlindoro: | Since most people wait approximately the time it takes to walk to thr fridge and back |
| [19:16:43] | wagnerrp: | get a beefier processor so you can use Slim? |
| [19:16:53] | qwebirc25547: | oh...cool....I'll copy it again then |
| [19:17:05] | wagnerrp: | just throwing the wipping boy out on the table... are you using pulseaudio? |
| [19:17:40] | qwebirc25547: | I don't think I am but I'm not exactly sure how to check |
| [19:17:55] | ** sphery changed the topic to "Welcome to the MythTV Psychic Friends Network." ** | |
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| [19:18:49] | qwebirc25547: | :) Looking for some help with VDPAU. When I use the VDPAU Normal or VDPAU Slim profile I get audio glitches where you'll hear maybe half a second of audio from about 5–10 seconds in the past. This is happening on two different frontends and it even happened while playing a DVD. If I go back to CPU+ or Slim it's fine but won't play HD content. Any ideas? |
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| [19:19:17] | sphery: | qwebirc25547: actually, that's a known issue with vdpau decode/rendering |
| [19:19:37] | sphery: | IIRC, it goes away if you use ffmpeg decoding and vdpau rendering |
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| [19:20:06] | sphery: | we're not sure at all what's causing it, but it's likely a buffer misalignment that results in audio glitches every once in a while |
| [19:20:07] | jlbergqvist: | Hi all |
| [19:20:10] | qwebirc25547: | oh....I'll have to try that |
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| [19:20:52] | qwebirc25547: | will using ffmpeg to decode and vdpau to render still allow me to play HD content? |
| [19:21:02] | sphery: | qwebirc25547: you'll have to create your own playback profile to do that... I recommend creating a brand new playback profile group... Something like "Custom ffmpeg and vdpau" and make it a simple > 0 0, ffmpeg vdpau |
| [19:21:06] | wagnerrp: | what is the content, what is your processor? |
| [19:21:22] | sphery: | qwebirc25547: See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles |
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| [19:21:48] | sphery: | qwebirc25547: if your processor is sufficiently fast to decode the video, then ffmpeg decode + vdpau render will work |
| [19:22:04] | qwebirc25547: | content is a DVD and mpeg2 off a pvr-150 |
| [19:22:05] | sphery: | if you have an Atom, though, you're stuck with the audio glitches |
| [19:22:10] | Korny2: | ok probably a stupid question but I gotta ask anyhow, is it possible to run 2 frontends at the same time using different x sessions? |
| [19:22:24] | qwebirc25547: | I've got an Acer Revo and a Celeron 2 gig |
| [19:22:28] | wagnerrp: | unless its DVD and PVR-150 content, in which case even a lowly atom can handle that in software |
| [19:22:31] | jlbergqvist: | Can someone send a message to me to prove that this is working, thanks |
| [19:22:32] | sphery: | DVD and PVR-150 content should be relatively easy to decode |
| [19:22:40] | sphery: | so definitely worth a try |
| [19:22:46] | wagnerrp: | a 900MHz Celeron should have no trouble with that content |
| [19:22:56] | wagnerrp: | jlbergqvist: its not working, try again |
| [19:23:03] | jlbergqvist: | sweet |
| [19:23:27] | sphery: | qwebirc25547: won't be able to do HDTV with that, though... so make 2 profiles in your custom group... > 720 480, vdpau, vdpau and > 0 0, ffmpeg, vdpau |
| [19:23:45] | qwebirc25547: | so you think with the atom I can't use VDPAU? |
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| [19:24:20] | wagnerrp: | never said anything of the sort |
| [19:24:31] | wagnerrp: | with the Atom, you cant do software decoding of HD content |
| [19:24:31] | qwebirc25547: | oh....just not on SD content |
| [19:24:48] | sphery: | qwebirc25547: also note that due to bugs in our old, dead-code, legacy, qt-based setup UI, you'll have to create the new playback profile group, then create one profile, then next, next, next... through finish, then go back into Playback settings, get to playback profile group page, and create a new playback profile in the group, then next ... finish |
| [19:24:56] | qwebirc25547: | right....so the audio issue with VDPAU is only with SD content? |
| [19:25:13] | wagnerrp: | no, your issue is with VDPAU |
| [19:25:18] | sphery: | audio issue with vdpau is only with vdpau decode |
| [19:25:26] | wagnerrp: | but for SD content, you have sufficient processor to fall back on software decoding |
| [19:25:28] | qwebirc25547: | I figured out that playback profile bug :) |
| [19:26:08] | sphery: | but since I'm assuming you'd prefer the ability to play hdtv with audio glitches than not be able to play any hdtv, I'm suggesting a way of setting it up so you use ffmpeg for SDTV and vdpau for HDTV |
| [19:26:22] | qwebirc25547: | so on my Atom to decode HD I need VDPAU which means I'm going to get audio issues no matter what |
| [19:26:32] | wagnerrp: | you said you had a celeron, not an atom |
| [19:26:37] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:26:43] | wagnerrp: | but yes, neither will have the power to do HD |
| [19:26:50] | wagnerrp: | you need to use VDPAU for decoding instead |
| [19:26:53] | qwebirc25547: | I have two frontends....ones an atom, ones a celeron 2gig |
| [19:27:10] | sphery: | try the ffmpeg + vdpau approach and see if it help |
| [19:27:26] | wagnerrp: | 2gig... 2GHz? |
| [19:27:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | how are you playing the DVD? |
| [19:27:30] | sphery: | but set it up so you use vdpau for hdtv |
| [19:27:33] | qwebirc25547: | ya...I'd like to try that first |
| [19:27:43] | qwebirc25547: | yes....2GHz |
| [19:27:53] | lapion: | I do 720p with a pentium 4, 2.8Ghz with i855 chipset |
| [19:27:55] | qwebirc25547: | I'm playing the DVD with the internal player |
| [19:27:55] | wagnerrp: | would that be P4 based or core2 based? |
| [19:28:39] | qwebirc25547: | no...not a core2....It's an Asus Pundit....SIS chipset |
| [19:28:40] | lapion: | classic P4 |
| [19:29:14] | wagnerrp: | qwebirc25547: i mean... what architecture was the celeron based on |
| [19:29:36] | wagnerrp: | how long ago did you buy it? |
| [19:29:39] | qwebirc25547: | classic P4 |
| [19:29:54] | wagnerrp: | then its not going to be of much use for HD content either |
| [19:30:04] | qwebirc25547: | Over 5 years ago...maybe more....just put an 8400GS in it |
| [19:30:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | you could always try an external player for the DVDs. I don't use the internal player for raw DVD content myself. |
| [19:31:22] | lapion: | it's the p4 netstream generation, however it can play 720p but not 1080 |
| [19:31:36] | sphery: | STB DVD players work great :) |
| [19:31:51] | qwebirc25547: | It was all working fine before I started using VDPAU.....is the audio bug an NVIDIA bug? |
| [19:32:00] | Korny2: | The only machine that sees a dvd in my house is the downstairs server :/ |
| [19:32:07] | wagnerrp: | lapion: netburst, and chances are it can play both, it just wont do decoding AND deinterlacing |
| [19:32:26] | wagnerrp: | since resolution doesnt have as much to do with decoding complexity as bitrate |
| [19:32:35] | wagnerrp: | and 720p and 1080i content will have similar bitrates |
| [19:32:47] | qwebirc25547: | We really don't play many DVD's....just noticed the same problem on different content |
| [19:32:59] | lapion: | wagnerrp, yeah it's not powerfull enouhg.. and yes netburst.. |
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| [19:36:18] | lapion: | enough |
| [19:37:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | I've used vdpau quite successfully with DVD content. Don't play anything directly off the media though and I don't use the internal player for raw vobs. |
| [19:38:00] | qwebirc25547: | sphery: is the vdpau audio bug referenced online somewhere? |
| [19:38:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | If you try different things, you might find something that works better. Assuming it's worth the bother to begin with. |
| [19:38:08] | sphery: | qwebirc25547: not that I know of |
| [19:38:19] | stuartm: | I use it all the time for DVDs, both on and off the disc |
| [19:38:28] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: if using digital audio passthrough, you likely wouldn't have audio glitches |
| [19:38:42] | wagnerrp: | if you have a DVD that doesnt work, make mention of it on trac |
| [19:38:52] | sphery: | when we decode the audio for output, we seem to have glitches |
| [19:38:55] | stuartm: | but then I'm also using a decent cpu ... |
| [19:38:57] | wagnerrp: | theres a handful of tickets open for such reasons |
| [19:39:04] | qwebirc25547: | has it been there with all versions of the nvidia driver that started suporting vdpau? |
| [19:39:23] | sphery: | the audio glitch is ours--not related to driver |
| [19:39:23] | qwebirc25547: | I'm on 280 and am wondering if that's the problem |
| [19:39:37] | qwebirc25547: | ah...sorry missed that |
| [19:39:46] | sphery: | (though someone may have mentioned that it doesn't appear with the 285 drivers?) |
| [19:39:55] | sphery: | I haven't actually upgraded mine to test that theory |
| [19:40:16] | qwebirc25547: | something else to try....thanks |
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| [19:40:50] | sphery: | anyway, some issue that was only affecting vdpau seems to have disappeared with the 285 drivers--that may be the random short pauses issue, though |
| [19:40:55] | sphery: | either way, likely worth the upgrade |
| [19:42:45] | Roed: | Hi, im looking for some help on wich tv tuner card to choose. My tv provider host my channels on dvb-c (most mpeg-2 and some mpeg-4) Im not sure what kind of card i should pick. Could anyone please help me... Thanks |
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| [19:43:20] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [19:43:20] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [19:43:41] | wagnerrp: | Roed: see above link, we dont support tuners, we just use those supported by the DVB API |
| [19:43:56] | wagnerrp: | that link is the semi-official list of hardware supported in linux |
| [19:44:43] | Roed: | Okay, the knowledge im not sure about is whether its needed to buy hardware with mpeg-4 or my machine can decode it. |
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| [19:45:09] | wagnerrp: | if your provider broadcasts it, the tuner card can record it |
| [19:45:23] | wagnerrp: | but it then becomes a question of whether your hardware can play it |
| [19:45:26] | wagnerrp: | what CPU and graphics card? |
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| [19:45:54] | justinh: | hahaha this USB stick with *buntu on it is borked |
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| [19:45:56] | Roed: | I haven't bought anything yet.. Im looking to buy a machine with 2–3 DVB-c tuners |
| [19:46:03] | justinh: | run 'mount' & it's er... |
| [19:46:24] | wagnerrp: | do you know anything about the content, besides it being mpeg4 (h264)? |
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| [19:46:56] | sphery: | Wait a minute... Ubuntu app store? (Software Center) What happened to FOSS? Did it die when I wasn't looking? Guess even Canonical figured out that a cut off the top of $0 isn't much, so they're moving to support an app store with minimum prices of $2.99 and they'll take a 20% cut off the top. |
| [19:46:57] | Roed: | I know that its DBB-C and its mpeg-4 is there anything else to know? |
| [19:47:06] | sphery: | Oh, Apple, how I love how you've changed our world. |
| [19:47:08] | wagnerrp: | bitrate, slicing |
| [19:47:23] | Roed: | 2 sec. ill just look it up on their homepage |
| [19:47:28] | wagnerrp: | if its standard definition content, any modern desktop system should have no problem decoding it |
| [19:47:36] | Roed: | Sorry, i dont know much about tv signals |
| [19:47:43] | wagnerrp: | if its HD, and multi-sliced, any modern desktop system should have no problem decoding it |
| [19:48:02] | wagnerrp: | if its single sliced, shoot for ~200MHz/Mbps |
| [19:48:48] | wagnerrp: | you can also do hardware decoding using nVidia graphics cards |
| [19:48:58] | wagnerrp: | and they will likely be able to handle whatever your cable provider is sending |
| [19:49:12] | wagnerrp: | but its recommended to have enough CPU to fall back on should it not be able to |
| [19:49:46] | Roed: | Okay. So i can buy a machine with a nVidia gfx and a tv card |
| [19:49:52] | Roed: | and they are able to work together? |
| [19:50:21] | Korny2: | app store? hmmm well unity sucks balls anyhow, good excuse to change distors |
| [19:50:26] | Korny2: | *distros |
| [19:50:28] | wagnerrp: | well they work independently, but that should work |
| [19:50:51] | wagnerrp: | also note, if your cable provider encrypts their channels, you will need a tuner card with a CI slot |
| [19:50:57] | wagnerrp: | which are considerably more rare |
| [19:52:18] | Roed: | They dont, i receive it by a normal cable. i cant remember the name |
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| [19:52:35] | Roed: | My tv got dvb-c and mpeg4 |
| [19:52:38] | Roed: | thats it |
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| [19:54:08] | Roed: | What kind of CPU would you recommend using for this setup? |
| [19:54:16] | Roed: | both with a gpx and with out |
| [19:55:25] | wagnerrp: | 'modern desktop system', meaning dual core Athlon II, Core 2, or Core i3/i5 |
| [19:55:37] | wagnerrp: | for GPU, that depends |
| [19:55:43] | wagnerrp: | what kind of video output do you need? |
| [19:56:31] | wagnerrp: | composite, svideo, dvi, hdmi? |
| [19:56:49] | Roed: | i was thinking of hdmi |
| [19:57:05] | Roed: | receive and record something |
| [19:57:16] | wagnerrp: | well you cant record over HDMI |
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| [19:57:25] | wagnerrp: | im talking video output, how do you intend to connect this to your TV |
| [19:57:47] | Roed: | via hdmi |
| [19:58:16] | wagnerrp: | the cheap option will be an nvidia GT210 |
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| [19:58:31] | wagnerrp: | or if you want a bit more headroom for a better deinterlacer, a GT430 |
| [19:58:39] | Roed: | I want to make a machine running mythtv only as backend... running 2–3 tuners |
| [19:58:50] | Roed: | A machine running freenas |
| [19:58:56] | Roed: | and 2 clients (Frontends) |
| [19:59:33] | wagnerrp: | if you want a dedicated backend, just use whatever integrated video you get from AMD or Intel |
| [20:00:12] | bmidgley: | is there a way to start a mythtv program remotely, over ssh? I can't telnet to 6546 |
| [20:00:40] | Roed: | So if i get it right the backend only need a dvb-c card |
| [20:00:52] | Roed: | the frontend will do the decode and needs the gfx? |
| [20:01:02] | wagnerrp: | yes, the backend only records |
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| [20:01:08] | wagnerrp: | it does not use the graphics card for anything |
| [20:01:21] | wagnerrp: | bmidgley: of course you cant telnet, mythtv doesnt have a telnet server |
| [20:01:26] | bmidgley: | mythweb/remote says "no frontends allow remote control" |
| [20:02:17] | Roed: | Okay, so a core i3 or i5 should be enough to run 3 dvb-c signals? |
| [20:02:32] | wagnerrp: | Roed: recording really takes very little power at all |
| [20:02:42] | wagnerrp: | the needs are in the scheduler and other tasks the backend performs |
| [20:02:52] | bmidgley: | wagnerrp, I'm able to have gizmo connect to port 6546, just can't talk to that port right now |
| [20:03:18] | bmidgley: | it does listen to that tcp port on localhost |
| [20:03:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what 'gizmo' is |
| [20:03:25] | wagnerrp: | it does listen, but its not telnet |
| [20:03:31] | Roed: | wagnerrp: Okay, but would an i3 be enough? |
| [20:03:38] | wagnerrp: | an i3 would be more than plenty |
| [20:03:51] | wagnerrp: | bmidgley: and any telnet client connecting to that socket will behave unpredictably |
| [20:03:52] | Roed: | Okay, what about an atom 1.8? |
| [20:04:27] | justinh: | hahahahahaha no |
| [20:04:29] | wagnerrp: | for multiple tuners on a large cable channel lineup, an Atom will likely not be sufficient |
| [20:05:11] | Roed: | wagnerrp: Okay, Thank you very much for the help. It really helped me |
| [20:06:01] | Roed: | Ohh, any cards you can recommend? :-) |
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| [20:06:33] | wagnerrp: | nope, i dont use DVB-C, or even DVB-anything for that matter |
| [20:06:38] | justinh: | yeah, this ubuntu is broken: http://pastebin.com/nvcDKsGj |
| [20:06:54] | justinh: | Roed: we only recommend cards known to work in linux here |
| [20:06:57] | justinh: | !url tuners |
| [20:06:57] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
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| [20:07:29] | wagnerrp: | bmidgley: if mythweb isnt picking up the frontend, you cant ssh in and use netcat directly? |
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| [20:08:16] | Roed: | Okay, thanks again.. its very appreciated |
| [20:09:14] | justinh: | wagnerrp: see my pastebin for the output of the 'mount' command LOL |
| [20:09:23] | justinh: | it's bricked, methinks |
| [20:11:43] | wagnerrp: | yikes |
| [20:11:45] | bmidgley: | ah, ok mythtv frontend had crashed |
| [20:11:57] | bmidgley: | after a forced reload, it shows up in mythweb/remote |
| [20:12:20] | bmidgley: | ah, I can also telnet to 6546 whew |
| [20:13:18] | wagnerrp: | no, you cant telnet to port 6546 |
| [20:13:24] | wagnerrp: | because port 6546 is not a telnet server |
| [20:14:10] | bmidgley: | argh ok I will use netcat |
| [20:14:15] | bmidgley: | I've never seen any difference |
| [20:14:36] | wagnerrp: | because youve not yet run into any UTF text |
| [20:15:25] | Korny2: | hmmm under storage groups I have 6 drives listed in liveTV and defaults but only 4 showing up in mythweb status tv /mnt/seagate1/mythrecord |
| [20:15:57] | sphery: | Korny2: let me guess... at least 2 of the drives are new/empty drives with the exact same capacity? |
| [20:16:04] | Korny2: | yes actually |
| [20:16:17] | Korny2: | seagate5 and seagate6 |
| [20:16:18] | sphery: | they'll show up later when there's enough info to distinguish them |
| [20:16:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv autodetects folders on the same drive using total and used space |
| [20:16:27] | sphery: | i.e. once you record to them |
| [20:16:30] | Korny2: | but I added the mythrecord directory |
| [20:16:33] | Korny2: | to em |
| [20:16:52] | wagnerrp: | yes, which amounts for all of a few KB |
| [20:17:02] | Korny2: | hehe true |
| [20:17:06] | wagnerrp: | its a fuzzy matching, allowing up to a dozen or so MB difference |
| [20:17:10] | Korny2: | I'll take your word for it |
| [20:17:26] | sphery: | Korny2: or, if you're really concerned... dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/seagate5/mythrecord/garbage_file-delete_me bs=64M count=3 |
| [20:17:32] | Seeker`: | argh, anyone else getting suddenly low signals on BBC with a nova-t 500? For the last few days I've only been getting a 29% signal. I've got force_lna_activation=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf |
| [20:17:35] | justinh: | wow. wazzed /etc/exports to use async & now I'm copying again without blips on the frontend's playback :) |
| [20:17:35] | sphery: | then do the same for seagate5, but with a different count |
| [20:18:00] | Korny2: | I was using mhddfs and combining all drives, but the performance was HORRIBLE |
| [20:18:14] | Korny2: | less then 19 MB writes |
| [20:18:28] | wagnerrp: | mhddfs? |
| [20:18:32] | bmidgley: | so it seems like in the past I was using a web interface with myth that had a function to start a show on the frontend |
| [20:18:35] | justinh: | Seeker`: what reckons 29%? |
| [20:18:38] | bmidgley: | was I imagining that? |
| [20:18:51] | wagnerrp: | bmidgley: no, mythweb can do that |
| [20:19:02] | Seeker`: | justinh: when I press "1" in mythtv when the OSD comes up with (_l__) (no lock) there is a 29% next to it |
| [20:19:06] | wagnerrp: | hit the detailed page under recorded programs |
| [20:19:18] | sphery: | Korny2: yeah, for mythtv, you're /much/ better off without any multiple-disk solutions--JBOD is the way to go |
| [20:19:20] | justinh: | Seeker`: I only believe femon, and then only advisedly |
| [20:19:31] | Korny2: | Thats what I just switched to sphery |
| [20:19:35] | sphery: | if you really want RAID, you can add that, but... it's just TV |
| [20:19:47] | Korny2: | well I have a backup system running called flexraid |
| [20:19:50] | Seeker`: | justinh: any ideas why it won't tune BBC1 or 2 then? |
| [20:19:55] | Seeker`: | no errors on the backend |
| [20:20:03] | bmidgley: | wagnerrp, yeah I see it now. I'll bet the button was gone because the frontend had crashed |
| [20:20:13] | wagnerrp: | its entirely possible |
| [20:20:14] | Korny2: | similar to unraid but not a dedicated system, but will use multiple different sized drives |
| [20:20:19] | justinh: | Seeker`: tried rescanning? it's switchover time in a lot of places |
| [20:20:26] | wagnerrp: | mythweb actually attempts to scan to all available frontends to populate that list |
| [20:20:33] | Korny2: | but no stripping so if a drive fails it only takes itself out |
| [20:20:34] | wagnerrp: | s/scan/connect/ |
| [20:20:42] | sphery: | speaking of which... /me thinks he has another failing HDD |
| [20:20:43] | Seeker`: | mmm, not here until april 2012. Am rescanning atm though. |
| [20:20:56] | Korny2: | similar to raid4 |
| [20:21:20] | sphery: | 750GH PATA HDD |
| [20:21:25] | sphery: | er, GB, even |
| [20:21:50] | sphery: | perhaps today is the day to replace the remote backend with the new hardware |
| [20:21:53] | bmidgley: | can mythweb show frontend status? |
| [20:22:07] | justinh: | when people talk about nfs performance being bad I always kind of assumed they meant network operations not system lag |
| [20:22:07] | wagnerrp: | bmidgley: sort of, it shows a snapshot |
| [20:22:22] | bmidgley: | where is that? |
| [20:22:41] | wagnerrp: | the remote control |
| [20:22:51] | justinh: | sphery: eew. yeah mebbe time to catch that one before it dies totally |
| [20:22:53] | wagnerrp: | it might only work in trunk, i thought it was enabled for 0.24 |
| [20:23:09] | justinh: | sphery: we've tried reams of sata-pata converters & they just can't cut it |
| [20:23:46] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, getting http://pastebin.com/YeM2ymP2 ... That would be bad sectors, right? |
| [20:24:05] | bmidgley: | anyway wagnerrp, I'm using gizmod to make my a2dp bluetooth headset get pause/play/forward/back controls into mythtv over that tcp socket |
| [20:24:09] | sphery: | It's an old Athlon XP 2400+ system (which is why I'm using PATA for the boot/root--and hda is boot/root) |
| [20:24:10] | justinh: | sphery: ooo not good |
| [20:24:34] | justinh: | yeah fix it while the gittin is good ;) |
| [20:24:41] | bmidgley: | I was thinking maybe it was blocking other apps from using it, but it should just be connect, send command, disconnect |
| [20:24:43] | wagnerrp: | a bare tcp socket is fine |
| [20:24:46] | sphery: | I've also been getting MCEs on that CPU for > 1yr, but hadn't noticed any issues related to them, so I bought the new hardware to replace it, but have just been using the old |
| [20:24:47] | wagnerrp: | but it is not a telnet socket |
| [20:24:57] | wagnerrp: | telnet is specifically ASCII based |
| [20:25:13] | wagnerrp: | meaning any UTF characters are interpreted as control codes |
| [20:25:30] | ** sphery goes to swap the mobo/cpu/RAM, then move the boot/root (and extra recording partition) to a 2TB SATA that's sitting on top of the box ** | |
| [20:25:31] | bmidgley: | I'm using python to read/write the commands. not even sure if it does anything with encodings |
| [20:25:59] | sphery: | I should have known this would happen, now--as I'm just about to start 5 weeks of work that will keep me from doing anything with my systems |
| [20:26:00] | bmidgley: | but it's not dealing with show titles or anything, just command confirmations |
| [20:27:17] | sphery: | seems it was preparing for a full failure right when work would get in the way of fixing it |
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| [20:27:38] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:27:50] | justinh: | well, my backend lockups are still proving troublesome to troubleshoot |
| [20:28:01] | sphery: | Korny2: btw, thanks for the reminder to check my hdds... I had noticed a couple of these errors a couple days ago, so wanted to see if it was transient (cable type issue) or persistent |
| [20:28:11] | justinh: | seems to be frontend related though. frontend wasn't on at all during my holidays.. and not a single deadlock |
| [20:29:41] | justinh: | box is gonna get a nice power cycle tomorrow though when I put the new HDDs in |
| [20:29:56] | justinh: | that might even make a difference. 350 odd days of uptime |
| [20:30:10] | Seeker`: | justinh: hmm, seems better. Gotta fix up all my xmltv stuff and channel numbers now though :( |
| [20:32:12] | wagnerrp: | didnt someone already tell warpme to fix his email client? |
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| [20:35:04] | justinh: | heh I love this grsync progress bar. well the top one. it's just a blur :D |
| [20:37:22] | justinh: | gigabit ethernet... like a very long sata cable :P |
| [20:38:12] | Korny2: | Mind if I post an amazon link for a UPS I'm considering for my server.... |
| [20:38:43] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to just stating the model? |
| [20:38:58] | Korny2: | Cyberpower CP1500AVRLCD UPS |
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| [20:39:18] | wagnerrp: | ive got 900 and 1250 versions of that (no LCD) |
| [20:39:43] | Korny2: | Its only 130 on amazon at this time |
| [20:39:51] | Korny2: | well 140 actually free shipping |
| [20:40:02] | wagnerrp: | ouch, i think my 1250 was like $70 |
| [20:40:33] | Korny2: | really....does the 1250 do emi and power line filtering? |
| [20:40:48] | wagnerrp: | supposedly |
| [20:40:51] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:41:03] | justinh: | common mode choke & varistors.. if you're lucky |
| [20:41:08] | justinh: | chocolate fireguard |
| [20:41:09] | wagnerrp: | although i wouldnt really trust that at either $70 or $140 |
| [20:41:32] | wagnerrp: | dedicated stuff you buy for that without a UPS is going to run several hundred dollars |
| [20:41:41] | wagnerrp: | and what does it get you... nada |
| [20:41:43] | Korny2: | True |
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| [20:42:20] | wagnerrp: | a modern decent switched mode supply will run on just about anything you feed it |
| [20:42:31] | justinh: | apart from brownouts ;) |
| [20:42:40] | Korny2: | Yeah we won't talk about brownouts |
| [20:42:40] | wagnerrp: | depends on how brown it goes |
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| [20:42:52] | Korny2: | We had one eat my antec basiq 500 :/ |
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| [20:43:44] | wagnerrp: | justinh: particularly over in your woods, since youre starting at 220 |
| [20:44:27] | wagnerrp: | one of those supplies should have no trouble operating down to around 100V, unless you start having problems from the increased amperage |
| [20:44:58] | Korny2: | wagnerrp: are you able have an automated shutdown with yours? |
| [20:45:43] | wagnerrp: | with some limitations |
| [20:46:02] | wagnerrp: | NUT cant handle the USB protocol, only the serial |
| [20:46:45] | wagnerrp: | so you need to either have native serial support on your machine, or use linux-supported rs232 adapter |
| [20:46:51] | Korny2: | hmmm sigh I just threw away my last serial adaptor :/ |
| [20:47:05] | Korny2: | usb to serial, teaches me to clean house before moving :/ |
| [20:47:25] | Korny2: | Next you'l tell me those parallel cords have a use too |
| [20:47:47] | wagnerrp: | garrott wire |
| [20:49:19] | justinh: | wagnerrp: our mains generally just goes out if it goes. don't really see undervolt events |
| [20:49:47] | justinh: | they take great pride in the frequency too |
| [20:50:15] | wagnerrp: | i would love to see a power supply with an embedded USB |
| [20:51:11] | wagnerrp: | sadly, the standard SLA hobby batteries are just slightly too wide to fit in a 5.25" bay |
| [20:55:23] | wagnerrp: | i know google sets up something along those lines for their compute nodes |
| [20:55:37] | wagnerrp: | two nodes on a tray, with one power supply and a built in battery |
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| [21:08:24] | Korny2: | Is there a way to make mythweb use like tv/movie view like the frontends can? |
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| [21:11:25] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [21:12:13] | Korny2: | when I goto video on mythweb my system basically grinds to a halt showing 5000 TV episodes and 500 moves and loading them all at one time |
| [21:12:42] | kormoc: | Korny2, recorded? |
| [21:12:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the mythvideo view in mythweb needs to be completely overhauled |
| [21:13:00] | Korny2: | in mythvideo since they are from my previous system(sagetv) |
| [21:13:30] | Korny2: | I was just curious if there was any setting if not no problem |
| [21:15:29] | wagnerrp: | mythweb has never really been properly updated to work with the changes made to mythvideo in 0.22 and beyond |
| [21:15:40] | wagnerrp: | but before that, it still struggled to be used with a large collection |
| [21:16:02] | kormoc: | the folder stuff helps, but only if things are split up fairly well |
| [21:16:30] | wagnerrp: | and only when it doesnt default to the 'all' view and barf on you |
| [21:17:56] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: speaking of mythweb, you might want to have a look at #10031 |
| [21:18:19] | wagnerrp: | i tried to fix it, but the error occurs on a redirect page, so there is no error to be seen |
| [21:18:30] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:18:56] | wagnerrp: | as far as i can tell, the recording rule type is not being populated properly, so the php is refusing to delete the entry |
| [21:19:04] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:19:14] | kormoc: | I need to poke at the code, it's been too long |
| [21:19:24] | wagnerrp: | but i gave up after being unable to do a print_r or anything else to figure out what specifically it was set to |
| [21:24:50] | Korny2: | Sign watching movie 2 ft from a 24" is so disappointing compared to 12 feet from a 55" :/ the quality is just horrible |
| [21:24:55] | sphery: | So, after that effort, I'm thinking it would almost have been worth replacing this case just to get a proper modern one with plugs for USB/audio instead of the single-wire connections that I have to match up and put in the right places |
| [21:25:10] | sphery: | now to see if the new computer boots |
| [21:26:12] | wagnerrp: | hehe, i hate those things |
| [21:26:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: a couple years back, i bought an MSI motherboard with passthrough blocks |
| [21:26:50] | wagnerrp: | you plug those individual wires into the block, out in the open with plenty of room and light |
| [21:27:01] | wagnerrp: | and then plugged the whole block into the header on the motherboard |
| [21:27:13] | Korny2: | oh that sound great |
| [21:27:16] | wagnerrp: | they stuck out a bit further, but its such a wonderful idea |
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| [21:28:14] | justinh: | oh, and watch out for front panel audio connectors with no jack sensing |
| [21:28:19] | justinh: | grrr |
| [21:29:23] | wagnerrp: | jack sensing? my speakers do that for me |
| [21:29:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I've gotten those with some Asus systems--they're nice for case connections, like pwr/res/hdd led/etc. This case, though, has individual wires for FP USB and audio |
| [21:30:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, same thing |
| [21:30:26] | wagnerrp: | it came with blocks for the USB and audio headers as well |
| [21:30:35] | sphery: | those are annoyingly slow and error prone to connect (i.e. for USB, you have to ensure you get all the 1's on a single port and the 2's on the other port |
| [21:31:06] | wagnerrp: | actually, the audio header was tucked in between the heatpipes on the chipset cooler, and the extension block was practically needed to use it |
| [21:31:08] | sphery: | most of my current cases have FP USB and audio with a standard plug |
| [21:32:05] | sphery: | so, what's the recommendation with SATA? Should I actually replace the SATA cables or just use the ones I used on the other system? |
| [21:32:31] | wagnerrp: | replace? what for? |
| [21:32:34] | sphery: | I know with PATA they generally recommend a new IDE cable--though I never actualy did swap it each time |
| [21:33:16] | justinh: | wha? never heard that one before |
| [21:33:17] | sphery: | but since I recently had some serious hardware-lockup issues on my dev box that turned out to be due to a broken SATA cable (all I did is swap hard drive and use the same cable that was there before), I'm more leary of issues this time |
| [21:33:45] | sphery: | plus, mythtv backends should be rock-solid stable... |
| [21:33:52] | justinh: | watch out with sata connectors – their lifecycle specs are pretty much 50x worse than IDE ones insertion wise |
| [21:34:07] | sphery: | yeah, I think that's what got me on the dev box |
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| [21:34:28] | sphery: | I guess I have plenty of SATA cables so I might as well just swap them--can even switch to some locking ones |
| [21:34:41] | wagnerrp: | justinh: the only problem ive had with them is breaking off that L connector on the drives themselves |
| [21:34:53] | wagnerrp: | ive killed like four drives that way |
| [21:35:05] | wagnerrp: | the drives still work, and i can use them with a hotswap bay or dock |
| [21:35:06] | justinh: | we use locking ones on the stuff we make.. and then our assembly line droids fix em in with silicone |
| [21:35:14] | wagnerrp: | but i cant plug cables into them |
| [21:35:42] | justinh: | I mean – a big blob of silicone on connectors.. arghhh |
| [21:35:49] | wagnerrp: | i hate it when they affix that stuff with silicone |
| [21:35:54] | sphery: | hehe, makes swapping fun, I bet |
| [21:36:04] | justinh: | makes me swear a lot |
| [21:36:19] | justinh: | they do that on the big 0.1" ribbon connectors too |
| [21:36:33] | justinh: | I mean, have you ever tried to pull a 20W or 40W header apart? |
| [21:37:12] | justinh: | you can swing a HDD around your head quite vigorously.. but our QA dept insists on the silicon |
| [21:39:58] | justinh: | I try suggesting they have 2 parts to the assy process – one to insert the plug & another to inspect it's fully inserted but nah. pfft |
| [21:41:02] | wagnerrp: | well thats simply because the plug would have done no good in the port you were telling them to insert it into |
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| [21:42:37] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:45:25] | wagnerrp: | does richard morton ever come on IRC? |
| [21:46:11] | wagnerrp: | he seems to have forgotten one of the key rules of new feature design |
| [21:46:18] | wagnerrp: | it needs to be as painless as possible to the user |
| [21:47:05] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine anyone would want to use a new user-mode mythtv, if it required adding anyone who came into the room as a 'passive user' |
| [21:47:18] | wagnerrp: | so the system knew who was there, and could mark them as having watched something |
| [21:49:23] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the suggestion that each theme be required to display all the currently watching users on each screen |
| [21:50:40] | iamlindoro: | I don't think multi-user should mean multi-concurrent-logins |
| [21:50:57] | iamlindoro: | There should be a user agnostic mode, and the ability to use a per-user mode *if you want it* |
| [21:51:08] | iamlindoro: | ie, the default is for myth to behave as it always has |
| [21:51:22] | iamlindoro: | with the option to switch to a given user from a universal popup |
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| [21:51:44] | iamlindoro: | Dad gets the remote control and wants to see dad's programs, dad calls up the switch user popup and selects himself |
| [21:52:24] | iamlindoro: | Family is watching, switch to "Guest" or "all Users" or "anonymous" or whatever you want to call it, and everything is visible |
| [21:52:26] | wagnerrp: | well, the user agnostic mode would just be a system with only one user |
| [21:52:34] | iamlindoro: | Nah |
| [21:52:43] | iamlindoro: | a system with many users still needs the ability to view everything |
| [21:52:53] | wagnerrp: | sure, have a filter |
| [21:53:05] | wagnerrp: | add it to the main popup, rather than requiring you to go into the filters menu |
| [21:53:16] | wagnerrp: | filter all content, or your user content |
| [21:53:20] | wagnerrp: | just a toggle between the two |
| [21:53:29] | wagnerrp: | i suppose the 'all content' mode would be the agnostic mode |
| [21:54:00] | wagnerrp: | in any case, what he is describing it simply going to add /more/ work to make an automated process function, than just deleting the content yourself |
| [21:54:07] | sphery: | so, if I have 3x SATA HDD and 2 cables with 2x SATA power and 2 cables with Molex connectors for HDDs, is there any benefit to using the Molex connector with a SATA power converter versus just using both of the SATA power connectors on a single cable? |
| [21:54:34] | wagnerrp: | the only way i could see it working is with linuxmce's method, where they track you using bluetooth on cell phones (i dont want to carry a cell phone everywhere i go) |
| [21:54:36] | sphery: | single-rail psu, fwiw |
| [21:54:56] | wagnerrp: | or through facial recognition on a webcam, which knew who was in the room at time of playback |
| [21:55:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I think that the "automatically mark recordings as watched" breaks down with the idea of "mark as watched for individual users" |
| [21:55:25] | sphery: | i.e. it becomes more of that mind-reading code users seem to want |
| [21:55:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well at least for that specific user, it gets removed from their watch list |
| [21:55:56] | wagnerrp: | which is visibly all you really care about |
| [21:56:30] | sphery: | yeah, but the other users who want to mark it as watched will need to do something to do so |
| [21:56:52] | wagnerrp: | but adding in multiple simultaneous users, that you have to specify when you are watching, and then remove later, just to prevent having to individually mark them as having watched it |
| [21:57:00] | wagnerrp: | its more button presses to make it work that way |
| [21:57:05] | sphery: | like you said, unless we're tracking users with bluetooth fobs or Comcast-spying-style facial recognition, it can't be completely automatic |
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| [21:57:19] | sphery: | yeah, agreed |
| [21:57:38] | sphery: | so, I think I'm using both SATA power connectors on one cable |
| [21:57:49] | sphery: | I suppose it can't be much worse than using a separate cable |
| [21:59:09] | Korny2: | sigh |
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| [22:00:25] | wagnerrp: | so PCP&C is always talking about their single rail supplies |
| [22:00:30] | wagnerrp: | you think it makes that much difference? |
| [22:00:50] | Korny2: | backend is not seeing 2 out of m 6 drives yet I think its trying to record to them :/ |
| [22:00:58] | Korny2: | since I can't watch livetv hehe |
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| [22:01:12] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: no, it thinks two of those drives are duplicates |
| [22:01:18] | wagnerrp: | it will still record to them |
| [22:01:29] | Korny2: | Of what? the drives it sees are 1.5 |
| [22:01:29] | wagnerrp: | it just behaves incorrectly with respect to the disk scheduler |
| [22:01:35] | Korny2: | the drives it missing are 2.0 |
| [22:01:48] | wagnerrp: | unless youre saying linux itself cannot see those drives |
| [22:01:56] | Korny2: | and I just had a failed recording because it couldn't find the recording |
| [22:02:04] | Korny2: | however I just copied files to them without issue |
| [22:02:18] | Korny2: | hence my confusion |
| [22:02:23] | wagnerrp: | well then the recording failed, because it failed, not because it couldnt write |
| [22:02:28] | wagnerrp: | could we see the logs in question? |
| [22:05:08] | Korny2: | Permission issues hold on |
| [22:05:34] | wagnerrp: | remember, the backend will likely be running as the 'mythtv' user, meaning thats the user who needs to be able to write to it |
| [22:05:38] | wagnerrp: | not your own user account |
| [22:06:00] | Korny2: | yeah thats what happened, when I changed from the software I was using before to jbod well yeah |
| [22:06:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: for me, the single rail is generally easiest because you have to be careful to spread the 12v load evenly across the multiple rails |
| [22:06:35] | sphery: | turns out this is a 2 rail psu, though--my corsairs are the single rail |
| [22:07:12] | wagnerrp: | meaning... you can just continue splitting a single cable without concern? |
| [22:08:01] | Korny2: | ALl fixed |
| [22:10:44] | sphery: | I suppose--unless the length becomes an issue or total load becomes too much for the gauge of wire or something? |
| [22:10:58] | ** sphery doesn't understand electical magic ** | |
| [22:11:09] | Korny2: | You'd have to have A LOT of HD's attached to it |
| [22:11:10] | kormoc: | when the wire starts melting, you've gone too far |
| [22:11:22] | Korny2: | considering 12 watts = 1 amp |
| [22:11:32] | Korny2: | most HDs now use like 5 watts |
| [22:11:39] | Korny2: | maybe 10 watts to start up |
| [22:11:52] | wagnerrp: | more like 20 |
| [22:12:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro would be proud of me, though--new mobo is a gigabyte |
| [22:12:20] | Korny2: | My seagates are 10 :/ |
| [22:12:29] | Korny2: | but they are 5900 rpm |
| [22:12:46] | wagnerrp: | youve actually measured it? |
| [22:12:46] | sphery: | will be strange having an athlon X2 255 for my remote backend and an athlon x2 240 for my master backend |
| [22:13:21] | sphery: | guess both are sufficiently overpowered that the difference isn't a big deal |
| [22:13:26] | Korny2: | lol |
| [22:13:35] | wagnerrp: | gigabyte boards have always been love/hate for me |
| [22:13:44] | Korny2: | I have a 6 core for my backend, so I feel even more overpowered :/ |
| [22:13:49] | sphery: | (though the OC side of me wants to make the 255 the master backend) |
| [22:13:56] | Korny2: | I like my gigabyte boards |
| [22:14:02] | wagnerrp: | theyre inexpensive, tons of features |
| [22:14:15] | wagnerrp: | but theres always something screwy, some funky design choice that pisses me off |
| [22:14:28] | Korny2: | I have that issue with asrock boards |
| [22:14:40] | wagnerrp: | memory slots that are too small |
| [22:15:42] | wagnerrp: | FSB dividers that is set in a DIP switch block on the motherboard, and default to completely wrong values |
| [22:20:09] | sphery: | this is my first mobo with only one PS/2 connector |
| [22:22:40] | sphery: | pushing that power button the first time is always scary |
| [22:23:31] | sphery: | especially when you have the psu power toggle to off |
| [22:28:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: comcast was doing that? where did they get the webcam? |
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| [22:28:50] | wagnerrp: | was this something as part of selling data to nielson? |
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| [23:06:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: comcast was developing the tech, but I don't think they actually deployed it on any of their STBs... http://gigaom.com/video/comcast-cameras-to-start-watching-you/ + http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march200 . . . t_denies.htm |
| [23:06:38] | sphery: | it was to use an "eye" (but not a camera!) in the STB |
| [23:07:03] | wagnerrp: | theres a difference? |
| [23:07:18] | sphery: | guess it's a matter of resolution and clarity to them :) |
| [23:08:35] | sphery: | ok, so I can't figure out how to boot from USB on this mobo and, since the last mount date on my HDD is "in the future" (because on first boot clock was wrong), I'm having a really hard time getting the new system working |
| [23:08:57] | sphery: | it doesn't seem to scan the USB bus for HDDs, so when I tell it to boot from USB-HDD, it says it's not bootable |
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| [23:09:41] | sphery: | I hope I don't have to get out the usb cd for this |
| [23:10:03] | sphery: | hehe, some are saying it won't work with fat32 on this mobo--needs fat16 |
| [23:10:29] | sphery: | well, I can understand why they wouldn't support fat32--I mean that's /new/ tech |
| [23:16:08] | sphery: | hehe, it's because I flipped the SATA controller from Legacy IDE to AHCI |
| [23:16:43] | sphery: | so, can't boot from USB if the SATA controller uses AHCI |
| [23:16:49] | sphery: | not loving Gigabyte so far |
| [23:17:25] | wagnerrp: | screwy stuff |
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