| Friday, September 9th, 2011, 04:16 UTC | ||
| [04:16:49] | dekarl: | sphery: I was asking because in the mythbuntu ppa the output ends up in the main syslog, but reading the configuration suggested it should already be going to the usual files. |
| [04:19:20] | sphery: | dekarl: it's going to both places or just the main syslog files |
| [04:19:40] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you around? |
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| [04:21:22] | dekarl: | sphery, just the main log |
| [04:22:01] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im wondering if #9769 might be related to the h264/hdpvr preview generation issues you fixed a while back |
| [04:22:03] | sphery: | if you change the top FileGroup to adm (and then delete all the /var/log/mythtv/* files, does it work properly? |
| [04:22:50] | sphery: | dekarl: and the FileCreateMode to 664 |
| [04:23:35] | sphery: | thinking that the ubuntu syslog user doesn't have write permissiong to the file |
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| [04:23:46] | GWG: | I'm missing something |
| [04:24:22] | dekarl: | sphery, shouldn't rsyslog do something like write "permission denied trying to write <there>" then? (I'm testing it) |
| [04:24:23] | GWG: | Since my upgrade to Fedora 15, Lirc in MythTV will only work if I run it from the command line. The service will not work. |
| [04:24:33] | wagnerrp: | your marbles? |
| [04:24:39] | sphery: | not sure... I've never actually had such a config |
| [04:25:31] | sphery: | GWG: do system logs say anything about the faling to start it or something? |
| [04:25:44] | GWG: | I'm worried it might be selinux |
| [04:28:35] | dekarl: | sphery: didn't work out. rsyslog goes to uid:gid syslog:syslog, the mythtv log directory has g+s for the mythtv group |
| [04:29:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: think #9736 should be closed upstream bug? |
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| [04:30:53] | sphery: | dekarl: hmmm, ok, how about just changing the file owner to syslog as a test |
| [04:31:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm assuming he means in recorded programs? |
| [04:31:14] | dekarl: | I could remove the whole directory, too |
| [04:31:46] | sphery: | yeah, either way... I'd just like you to get it so syslog definitely has permission to write to it |
| [04:31:56] | sphery: | oh, and restart syslog (but I think you know/did that) |
| [04:32:30] | ** dekarl did the "service rsyslog restart" dance and it did something ** | |
| [04:32:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if he does mean in recorded programs, then, yeah, I say close it as a packaging bug since it works fine for me |
| [04:32:49] | wagnerrp: | upcoming recordings, not recorded programs |
| [04:32:56] | dekarl: | didn't want to try if sending HUP works |
| [04:33:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that works for me, too, so yeah |
| [04:35:57] | sphery: | dekarl: so it's working, now? |
| [04:38:06] | dekarl: | it's not, I'm looking what "rsyslogd -c4 -d" has to say, I'm not sure it's even looking at the configuration file |
| [04:38:53] | sphery: | ahhh, does ubuntu's /etc/rsyslog.conf have an: $IncludeConfig /etc/rsyslog.d/*.conf |
| [04:38:59] | sphery: | or something? |
| [04:39:24] | dekarl: | goes like "$IncludeConfig /etc/rsyslog.d/*.conf" |
| [04:40:00] | sphery: | and it's /etc/rsyslog.d/mythtv.conf , right/ |
| [04:40:28] | dekarl: | close, /etc/rsyslog.d/mythtv-rsyslog.conf |
| [04:40:40] | sphery: | yeah, that should still work |
| [04:40:53] | sphery: | weird |
| [04:41:51] | dekarl: | main config file is in the default location at /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| [04:45:29] | dekarl: | so it's reading the config file at least: 3503.132004879:7fa419a5e720: logmsg: flags 1, from 'mythmaster', msg the last error occured in /etc/rsyslog.d/mythtv-rsyslog.conf, line 45:"$SapperlotItsworking" |
| [04:46:40] | sphery: | hehe, cool directive |
| [04:47:53] | dekarl: | meh, it helps if the directory /var/log/syslog is there and owened/ writeable by syslog:syslog |
| [04:48:09] | dekarl: | now back to see why it's not working with the right credentials |
| [04:48:25] | dekarl: | s|/var/log/syslog|/var/log/mythtv| |
| [04:49:29] | dekarl: | Now it's logging to both /var/log/syslog and /var/log/mythtv/$program.log |
| [04:49:54] | sphery: | & ~ line should prevent it from further processing the line |
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| [04:50:38] | dekarl: | the default file is at 50-default.conf... might that result in logging to /var/log/syslog and then looking at the mythtv config? |
| [04:50:41] | sphery: | dekarl: try changing that line (& ~) to local7.* ~ |
| [04:50:50] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [04:51:10] | sphery: | so maybe the mythtv one needs to be 40-mythtv-rsyslog.conf or something |
| [04:52:15] | dekarl: | renaming to 40-* it worked |
| [04:53:57] | dekarl: | could it be that it can open the file only once it knows the program name, but at the point it has lowered privilegues already? Hmm, nvm how could it rotate the files then |
| [04:54:24] | sphery: | tgm4883: ^^^ seems that the syslog user on *buntu doesn't have permission to write to the /var/log/mythtv directory and the files that would be created in it... Don't know if you want to change the File/DirCreateMode to include group write (0664/0775) and put syslog user in the mythtv group or change the File/DirGroup in the config file to adm or syslog or whatever, or just go with the syslog defaults for owner/perms (the ones in ... |
| [04:54:31] | sphery: | ... /etc/rsyslog.conf). Also, looks like you'll need to make sure the config happens before 50-default.conf (so, like 40-mythtv-rsyslog.conf)... |
| [04:55:34] | sphery: | currently, 50-default.conf writes to the main system logs, then mythtv-rsyslog.conf writes to the mythtv logs, so it's filling main logs with garbage and logging redundantly |
| [04:58:57] | dekarl: | ohhh, if it can't create the directory it says something at least "rsyslogd: Could not open dynamic file '/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log' – discarding message". It doens't to that when the directory exists :( |
| [05:00:41] | sphery: | tgm4883: oh, and feel free to update the wiki page with any changes you make--I figure it probably makes the most sense to keep it in line with ubuntu's configuration -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Rsyslog_Configuration |
| [05:00:52] | sphery: | dekarl: thanks for tracking this down, btw |
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| [05:07:07] | ** wagnerrp wants to close #9915 "use nfs instead" ** | |
| [05:09:18] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [05:10:01] | ** wagnerrp wants to close #9915 "put the drive back in your da-- myth backend" ** | |
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| [05:11:08] | sphery: | wonder if he's running mythtv-setup as the mythtv user or as his own user (eric?) |
| [05:11:42] | dekarl: | sphery, tgm4883: how about /var/log/mythtv owned by syslog:mythtv with mode 2755 ? rsyslog will try to create as syslog:syslog but end up as syslog:mythtv nicely |
| [05:11:43] | sphery: | though the 775 perms say either should work |
| [05:12:13] | sphery: | dekarl: that sounds like a good plan |
| [05:12:32] | dekarl: | sphery: btw mythbuntu runs mythtv-setup as "the user" but the backend as "mythtv", need to look into that sometime, too. |
| [05:13:05] | dekarl: | it makes for funny acls and $HOME/.something directories when using XMTLV grabbers |
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| [05:54:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, I'm thinking that http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup needs to be completely replaced (and named better--if nothing else with a proper MythTV and not using Myth, but preferrably just better) |
| [05:54:44] | sphery: | it was references "since version 0.15", so I think it's way out of date |
| [05:55:07] | sphery: | and the whole, "read the source code to find out the freqid," is just bad instructions for a user |
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| [05:55:44] | sphery: | if users really need to see the freqid to frequency mappings, we should put them on the wiki |
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| [05:58:12] | dekarl: | sphery: and it's describing the old analogue way... I'd vote to dump it completely... |
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| [05:58:33] | sphery: | yeah, seems that would be best |
| [05:58:44] | sphery: | not really much current stuff in there |
| [05:59:05] | sphery: | and I'm guessing things are generally easier for most xmltv users |
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| [05:59:41] | dekarl: | lets say it in my own words... the way to setup mythv with xmltv... sucks big times :( |
| [05:59:57] | sphery: | like those whose xmltv has frequency id information should use Fetch channels, and those whose xmltv doesn't should scan... |
| [06:00:07] | dekarl: | I redid it the correct way when I rebuilt my backend 2 months ago... it really is not fun |
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| [06:00:46] | dekarl: | I'd love to say "it's digital? scan channels and tell mythtv your preferred grabber, that's it" |
| [06:01:00] | sphery: | yeah, it requires you to manually match your grabber's channels with mythtv's channels, but until there's a universal, agreed-upon standard for identifying channels.... |
| [06:01:07] | dekarl: | but channel scan for dvb-c/t is not really working either :( |
| [06:01:17] | sphery: | granted, the ui could be improved--and that's what the http setup is about |
| [06:01:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is there any qt-ish way of handling variable argument lists? |
| [06:01:35] | dekarl: | sphery: presenting the display-name over the raw xmltvid would be nice already ;) |
| [06:01:46] | sphery: | presenting it where? |
| [06:02:16] | ** sphery must kill Switch to Tab ** | |
| [06:02:34] | sphery: | I still can't believe that the Firefox devs think the proper way to disable Switch to Tab is to install a new add on |
| [06:02:35] | dekarl: | but until someone from europe steps up and digs into the channel scanner that's not going to change. Maybe we can get the mapping ChannelScan<->XMLTV off the ground this year.. would be a good start |
| [06:02:46] | sphery: | an add on to remove a feature... is that a remove on? |
| [06:03:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think there was a way that someone had mentioned once, but I can't remember it |
| [06:04:04] | wagnerrp: | i mean as opposed to the argv/argc type stuff |
| [06:04:20] | sphery: | I'm not a fan of that approach... after all, if you're using an object-oriented language, why not define objects for your data... |
| [06:04:36] | sphery: | wait, are you talking var args or command line args? |
| [06:05:08] | wagnerrp: | unspecified inputs to a function |
| [06:05:37] | wagnerrp: | for instance, stuff like capt'ms mythutil, or iamli ndoros mythmetadatalookup |
| [06:05:47] | wagnerrp: | there are several options that only allow one to be called at a time |
| [06:05:59] | wagnerrp: | rather than require they all be manually set as mutually exclusive |
| [06:06:13] | wagnerrp: | i want to write a function that you just input all the arguments that you cant |
| [06:06:15] | wagnerrp: | want |
| [06:06:23] | wagnerrp: | and it applies exclusion as needed |
| [06:06:49] | sphery: | why not just have them send a list? |
| [06:07:27] | wagnerrp: | then you need to do QList() << arg1 << arg2 << arg3 |
| [06:07:36] | wagnerrp: | it would work |
| [06:07:53] | wagnerrp: | id just rather have messier in the parser, cleaner in its uses |
| [06:07:58] | sphery: | C has an approach for doing varargs, but it's, er, less than elegant |
| [06:08:12] | wagnerrp: | the va_start/va_arg macros? |
| [06:08:25] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:10:08] | wagnerrp: | so just stick to the QList? |
| [06:10:47] | sphery: | you might want to ask one of the guys who knows qt better |
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| [06:22:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if nothing else, you could just make 2 functions, one with X QString args, where all but the first have default values of QString("") and the other that takes a list |
| [06:22:19] | sphery: | then if they have X or fewer args, they can use the easy function call, otherwise, use the list |
| [06:22:49] | sphery: | then when you push it someone will recommend a better approach :) |
| [06:23:09] | wagnerrp: | heh, i was going to say when i push that, someone will yell at me |
| [06:23:59] | sphery: | well, it would be too ugly if the qstring one just created the list and delegated to the list one |
| [06:24:25] | sphery: | at least not ugly from a "not duplicating the code" standpoint |
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| [06:25:27] | wagnerrp: | well its moot anyway, ive already written the code |
| [06:25:37] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [06:25:46] | sphery: | hehe, what approach did you use? |
| [06:26:21] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/9AMxL7bD |
| [06:26:47] | sphery: | yeah, that's probably what I'd have done |
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| [06:27:29] | sphery: | but if you really want, you can throw in a "convenience" function to allow people to pass up to X args (say 5? or whatever would likely be enough for most uses) |
| [06:27:43] | sphery: | and just have it create the QList<CommandLineArg*> and call that one |
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| [06:48:07] | wagnerrp: | so far |
| [06:48:20] | wagnerrp: | mythmetadatalookup has 5, mythshutdown has 9, mythbackend has 10 |
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| [06:52:51] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that might get a bit big |
| [06:55:48] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag has 9 |
| [06:56:37] | wagnerrp: | the real kicker is going to be that mythutil |
| [06:56:48] | wagnerrp: | that is going to suck up a number of these one off utility functions |
| [06:56:52] | wagnerrp: | it will have like 30 |
| [07:03:54] | k-man: | iamlindoro, when you compile mythtv on OS X, do you use the osx-packager.pl script? |
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| [12:16:48] | Lunar_Lamp: | I cobbled together a mythtv setup last night from parts I had around, and didn't get a chance to test it properly before leaving for work this morning and telling it to record stuff. Unsurprisingly, it didn't work, however, looking at the error logs in mythbackend.log, I'm not sure why: http://pastebin.com/Qf4zGY47 |
| [12:17:25] | Lunar_Lamp: | Any suggestions? |
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| [12:17:52] | Lunar_Lamp: | (I'm still in the office though, so only have ssh access) |
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| [12:35:12] | Seeker`: | any idea what causes mythfilldatabase to not run, with the error message that XMLTV returned error code 2 |
| [12:36:57] | Seeker`: | seems to finish correctly if i run it manually |
| [12:37:47] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, does mythpreviewgen exist? |
| [12:38:48] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, what version of mythtv are you using? |
| [12:38:51] | Lunar_Lamp: | k-man: hmm, I'm not sure, but that wouldn't stop the recording from happening would it? |
| [12:39:04] | Lunar_Lamp: | (let me just check on both counts) |
| [12:39:21] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, did you try "/usr/bin/mythpreviewgen --size 0x0 --chanid 2341 --starttime 20110909091500 > /dev/null" from the command line to see if it will give you more info? |
| [12:39:25] | Lunar_Lamp: | I've got /usr/bin/mythpreviewgen |
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| [12:40:03] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, not sure, it doesn't sound like it I guess |
| [12:40:07] | Lunar_Lamp: | Error: GetPlaybackURL: '2341_20110909091500.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. |
| [12:40:15] | Lunar_Lamp: | So I think the previewgen fails because the recording failed. |
| [12:40:19] | Lunar_Lamp: | (which makes perfect sense) |
| [12:40:23] | k-man: | I think you'll have to post more logs to diagnose the not recording error |
| [12:40:52] | k-man: | hmm.. I see in there "recorder failed" |
| [12:41:07] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, that seemed to be everything around that time window, but OK. |
| [12:41:22] | k-man: | have you tested that your tuner card works outside of mythtv? |
| [12:41:39] | Lunar_Lamp: | mythbackend version: fixes/0.24 [v0.24-243-g9ba3ece] www.mythtv.org |
| [12:41:50] | Lunar_Lamp: | Yes, it does, (it tuned fine also) |
| [12:42:59] | k-man: | I think you'll have to rerun the backend with more verbosity, and see if you can get more info about why it failed |
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| [12:43:14] | Lunar_Lamp: | Fair enough! :-) |
| [12:43:38] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, sorry, I'm not really an expert |
| [12:43:42] | k-man: | just trying to help |
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| [12:46:05] | Lunar_Lamp: | No worries, and thanks. |
| [12:48:29] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, it could be the tuning timeouts are too short maybe |
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| [13:18:15] | dekarl: | Seeker`: ls -l /home/*/.mythtv/*.xmltv ? |
| [13:18:49] | dekarl: | and compare that to what it tried to access in the backend log... |
| [13:21:46] | dekarl: | I suspect that you will find files in the home of the user that has been created for you at install time, but the backend is searching in the home of user mythtv |
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| [13:22:25] | Seeker`: | dekarl: backend log doesn't say which file it is looking for |
| [13:22:47] | Seeker`: | dekarl: what are the owner/group and file permissions of your xmltv file? |
| [13:22:58] | dekarl: | it's not saying something like: XMLTV config file is: /home/ |
| [13:23:06] | Seeker`: | dekarl: nope |
| [13:23:29] | dekarl: | meh, that's what I have in my log direclty in front of "... error code 2" |
| [13:23:46] | Seeker`: | my backend log doesn't show the error code 2 thing |
| [13:24:02] | Seeker`: | it just shows up in the status of mythfilldatabase on mythweb |
| [13:24:02] | dekarl: | do you have a mythfilldatabase.log ? |
| [13:24:36] | Seeker`: | dekarl: not that I can find |
| [13:25:23] | dekarl: | Ahh, that's what we get from routing everything through syslog methinks... more logs for the program != mythbackend :=) |
| [13:26:17] | dekarl: | I vaguely remember success with moving the configuration into the home of user mythtv in the same substructure |
| [13:28:39] | Seeker`: | dekarl: can you paste the output of the ls command for me? |
| [13:31:06] | dekarl: | sure, but you won't like it (been messing around manually :) http://pastebin.com/ujc61gxE |
| [13:31:54] | dekarl: | sudo -u mythtv mythfilldatabase works like a charm... I think because $HOME still point to /home/user and not /home/mythtv |
| [13:32:56] | dekarl: | sudo -u mythtv bash -c set|grep HOME |
| [13:35:36] | seeker: | I can run mythfilldatabase fine from the command line just logged in normally |
| [13:38:21] | dekarl: | seeker, running from the same command line you ran mythtv-setup from is easy. The tricky part is to run it in the environment of mythtvbackend started by the service management |
| [13:39:11] | seeker: | I've copied the file to the mythtv user directory in the appropriate place. Will leave it overnight to see what happens |
| [13:39:43] | dekarl: | just to be safe, take a peek in the file if it has some cache directory that might be under the frontend user... |
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| [13:44:30] | Seeker`: | dekarl: yup, copied that too |
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| [13:54:52] | mag0o: | (sellout.woot.com) |
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| [15:50:51] | qwebirc18515: | I asked yesterday about QPainter error messages filling up my mythfrontend.log file....One of the solutions I was given to try was to switch to OpenGL....I did that but still get the error messages although I think they only happen during video playback and maybe only when the OSD is up....does the OSD us Qt by default and if so can it be switched to OpenGL too? |
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| [16:14:19] | sphery: | qwebirc18515: Right, the OpenGL Theme Painter only affects what's used in the UI. The Playback Profile (and, specifically, the video renderer) affects playback. |
| [16:15:11] | sphery: | are you still using CPU+? If so, that's almost definitely the real problem. |
| [16:15:55] | sphery: | (and have you tried resetting your playback profile groups to defaults, then trying Slim?) |
| [16:19:04] | qwebirc18515: | Ah....that's what I forgot to do last night....I'll try again tonight....Is there a "set to defaults" option somewhere or do I just compare them to the wiki? |
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| [16:25:05] | sphery: | you read the section I linked |
| [16:25:09] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles# . . . ofile_groups |
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| [16:29:45] | qwebirc18515: | The only difference I see in CPU+ was the secondary deinterlacer wasn't onefield for the first profile...I changed that |
| [16:30:04] | sphery: | but you want to use Slim |
| [16:30:15] | sphery: | so I'm hoping you had changed stuff on that that made it not work |
| [16:30:17] | qwebirc18515: | I'll try VDPAU Slim tonight and hope I don't get the audio skipping issue I was having before |
| [16:30:18] | sphery: | and now it might work |
| [16:30:26] | sphery: | try just plain Slim first |
| [16:30:52] | sphery: | that's the simplest one--and should work on anyone's system, assuming proper audio and video configuration |
| [16:31:03] | qwebirc18515: | ah....maybe that's been my problem....I didn't realize there was a "regular" slim |
| [16:31:18] | FabriceMG: | sphery, yo, MythXML is the future of mythweb? |
| [16:31:36] | sphery: | it is, for all practical purposes, the exact same profile that was used in 0.21-fixes and all before we had Playback Profiles |
| [16:31:50] | sphery: | FabriceMG: it should be--or at least the basis of it |
| [16:32:11] | sphery: | all the code in MythWeb that's doing other-than-display logic should be removed and the backend should do all data interpretation |
| [16:33:01] | sphery: | unfortunately, though, it needs to be taken farther to get to that point (and I'm not sure if other devs agree with me that MythWeb shouldn't be doing any interpretation) |
| [16:34:34] | qwebirc18515: | I just compared the regular slim profile and it hasn't been changed (assuming "Standard" = ffmepg)....I'll try that tonight too...thanks again |
| [16:39:13] | sphery: | well, your goal should be to make Slim work--instead of whatever you're getting from the broken CPU+ profile that thinks it can use XvMC when it likely can't |
| [16:41:27] | FabriceMG: | It is true, that the first time I saw the html code in c + + code, I had a moment of doubt. But it works just fine. |
| [16:41:28] | sphery: | it is possible, though, that it is using XvMC and your system just can't handle the playback requirements of your video without some offload and XvMC provides enough help to get you just in the range of possible... So if you want a working system that's actually supported, you'll need to get a modern video decode offload approach (VDPAU) working (which is likely easiest by just not transcoding anything :) |
| [16:42:08] | sphery: | FabriceMG: well, ideally, there would be no display code in the backend (no HTML in the backend) and no data/business code in the client (MythWeb) |
| [16:42:39] | sphery: | I think you're thinking of the HTTP setup--which is not a replacement for MythWeb |
| [16:42:59] | sphery: | it's possible someone may decide to make the MythWeb client code out of C++, but it would be separate from the HTTP setup code |
| [16:43:25] | sphery: | MythXML, though, is just a means of allowing a client to request data from the backend in XML or JSON or ... |
| [16:44:04] | sphery: | (and the HTTP setup just happens to use MythXML, too--though now, really, we're calling it the "Services API" because it's not just XML) |
| [16:44:18] | sphery: | just some background... :) |
| [16:47:11] | tgm4883: | what is responsible for downloading RSS items in mythnetvision? |
| [16:47:19] | tgm4883: | I'm trying to work through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/814105 |
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| [16:52:46] | dekarl: | Is the new logging code turning \n\t\t\t into #012#011#011#011? All these octal numbers mixed with decimal numbers (for SID & co.) give me headaches ;) |
| [16:56:25] | qwebirc18515: | I got lucky....my wife started watching a show so I have a log....http://pastebin.com/8fGmmmTZ |
| [16:56:49] | qwebirc18515: | still getting the QPainter messages but I'm now using the regular Slim profile |
| [16:57:02] | tgm4883: | qwebirc18515, you might want to redefine your definition of getting lucky with the wife |
| [16:57:12] | qwebirc18515: | :) |
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| [16:59:56] | sphery: | qwebirc18515: you're using current 0.24-fixes, right? like from http://mythbuntu.org/repos (the 0.24.1 stuff) |
| [17:01:38] | qwebirc18515: | yes |
| [17:02:06] | xrdodrx: | hi, I'm trying to configure mythtv to allow me to view closed captions, I've set my VBI format to NTSC closed captioning but while watching TV hitting the "T" key does nothing, not even a visual cue that closed captions were turned on. I've also tried to configure closed captioning using the steps on the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Closed_captioning# . . . d_Captioning , and have checked edit keys to make sure the T key is set to togg |
| [17:02:17] | sphery: | qwebirc18515: what theme? |
| [17:03:13] | qwebirc18515: | MythCenter-wide...version is the log says fixes/0.24 [v0.24.1-80-g1de0431] |
| [17:03:14] | sphery: | xrdodrx: don't do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Closed_captioning# . . . d_Captioning stuff... that's probably only required for ivtv 0.10.0 or so (like from 7 years ago) |
| [17:03:34] | xrdodrx: | sphery, :s |
| [17:03:39] | xrdodrx: | so I should revert that then |
| [17:03:48] | sphery: | yeah, take it out, then reload the module |
| [17:03:53] | xrdodrx: | okay :) |
| [17:04:05] | sphery: | really, probably easiest to reboot because you may need to restart mythbackend, too |
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| [17:06:29] | sphery: | xrdodrx: then try: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'VbiFormat' AND hostname IS NOT NULL;" && mythbackend --clearcache |
| [17:07:24] | xrdodrx: | paste that command as is? |
| [17:07:33] | sphery: | yeah, into a terminal |
| [17:07:37] | xrdodrx: | okay |
| [17:07:48] | sphery: | get both parts... the mysql and the mythbackend commands |
| [17:08:07] | sphery: | and you're not transcoding your shows are you? |
| [17:08:20] | xrdodrx: | no |
| [17:08:21] | sphery: | transcoding removes subtitles and captions |
| [17:08:23] | sphery: | ok |
| [17:08:25] | xrdodrx: | at least, I don't think so |
| [17:08:31] | xrdodrx: | they appear as mpg files in /Recordings/ |
| [17:08:40] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ping |
| [17:08:46] | sphery: | ok, then they're good |
| [17:09:04] | xrdodrx: | sphery, a password other than my root password is required for that command? |
| [17:09:16] | sphery: | xrdodrx: also, note that hitting T in the recording when there are no captions at all will not give any feedback at all |
| [17:09:19] | xrdodrx: | [or rather user password since i use sudo] |
| [17:09:36] | sphery: | it's the mysql mythtv user's password |
| [17:09:37] | xrdodrx: | yeah sphery, i've been testing it on livetv |
| [17:09:48] | xrdodrx: | i didn't set one as this isn't a public-facing box |
| [17:09:57] | xrdodrx: | just hitting enter also gives access denied :( |
| [17:10:01] | sphery: | if you don't know it, you can try using -uroot, assuming you know mysql root user's password |
| [17:10:27] | xrdodrx: | the only password i know is my own lol |
| [17:10:36] | sphery: | try with -uroot and your own password |
| [17:10:44] | sphery: | or try with -umythtv and your own password |
| [17:11:15] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: whazzup? |
| [17:11:38] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: so... my HDPVR has been rock solid since the day I started using it like 2 years ago... |
| [17:11:59] | skd5aner: | and in the last 2 days, I've been getting 0 byte recordings... only resolvable with a power cycle of the hdpvr :/ |
| [17:11:59] | xrdodrx: | sphery, there is no root password, this is ubuntu... |
| [17:12:03] | xrdodrx: | only my password |
| [17:12:12] | Beirdo: | fun |
| [17:12:13] | xrdodrx: | I didn't set a mysql password, it said it wasn't required |
| [17:12:20] | Beirdo: | is it overheating? |
| [17:12:21] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: looks like I finally got bitten by the bug that you've been trying to resolve with your little device. you think? |
| [17:12:31] | Beirdo: | yeah, most likely so |
| [17:12:47] | Beirdo: | I think I should build a batch this weekend :) |
| [17:12:50] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I don't know? It doesn't feel extraordinarily hot... but I don't know if that means much |
| [17:13:07] | sphery: | xrdodrx: mysql users != system users |
| [17:13:13] | Beirdo: | I know some people saw a correlation to the hot weather |
| [17:13:19] | Beirdo: | for me, that's not the issue |
| [17:13:33] | skd5aner: | So, will your device help recover instantly if it sees that it's not working? or will you still lose that specific scheduled recording time? |
| [17:13:35] | Beirdo: | but it could be overheating IN the box for all I know |
| [17:13:41] | sphery: | xrdodrx: if nothing else, read your config.xml or mysql.txt files to figure out what the mythtv user's mysql password is |
| [17:13:45] | Beirdo: | you lose that recording |
| [17:13:49] | skd5aner: | yea – it wouldn't be weather... it's in a conditioned space |
| [17:13:51] | Beirdo: | but it will reschedule |
| [17:14:07] | xrdodrx: | sphery, when i installed mythtv, it installed mysql. It asked me if I wanted to set a mysql user password and said it wasn't required and I chose no since mythtv is not exposed to the itnernet. |
| [17:14:25] | Beirdo: | unless for some reason the USB controller goes stupid too (happens once in a while for me) and won't reconnect to it when the power's back on |
| [17:14:28] | skd5aner: | I can't remember, does it have a fan in the case? |
| [17:14:29] | xrdodrx: | in my setup, at least |
| [17:14:46] | Beirdo: | I don't think so, but that might be different per revision |
| [17:15:19] | xrdodrx: | there is no password unless mysql decided to come up with one all on its own |
| [17:15:43] | sphery: | xrdodrx: if there's no password, then you can try without -p |
| [17:15:59] | xrdodrx: | still doesn't work :( |
| [17:16:15] | xrdodrx: | so there's a phantom password :| should just tell you to set one no matter what |
| [17:16:38] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: hmmmm... looks liek there is a 5volt fan header on the board... |
| [17:18:01] | xrdodrx: | great, now i get to wrestle with mysql >.< |
| [17:18:23] | sphery: | xrdodrx: 09.09 13:13:41 <+sphery> xrdodrx: if nothing else, read your config.xml or mysql.txt files to figure out what the mythtv user's mysql password is |
| [17:18:45] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: very frustrating though – can't believe it's been stable and solid for 2 years, and now gets flakey :( |
| [17:18:47] | sphery: | if you like, try the default: mythtv |
| [17:18:52] | sphery: | xrdodrx: ^^^ |
| [17:19:01] | xrdodrx: | sphery, lol, mythbuntu must automatically generate one |
| [17:19:03] | xrdodrx: | DBUserName=mythtv |
| [17:19:03] | xrdodrx: | DBPassword=N2ravr1K |
| [17:19:03] | xrdodrx: | DBName=mythconverg |
| [17:19:05] | xrdodrx: | DBType=QMYSQL3 |
| [17:19:17] | xrdodrx: | I know I didn't write that ;) |
| [17:19:29] | sphery: | probably shouldn't have pasted it in here... even if it's not exposed to the 'net |
| [17:19:35] | tgm4883: | yes we generate it |
| [17:19:40] | xrdodrx: | i'll take my chances |
| [17:19:46] | sphery: | after all, I know a lot of SSL CAs who thought their systems weren't exposed to the 'net |
| [17:19:51] | sphery: | and gaming companies |
| [17:19:53] | sphery: | and ... |
| [17:19:56] | dekarl: | xrdodrx: off course they do, every "appliance distribution" should do so ;) |
| [17:19:57] | xrdodrx: | so do I :) |
| [17:20:06] | xrdodrx: | if someone wants my mythtv configuration, by all means let them have it |
| [17:20:15] | xrdodrx: | :P |
| [17:20:29] | sphery: | and there are idiots out there who think it's funny to ruin the credit ratings/etc. of innocent bystanders just so they can have some "lulz" |
| [17:20:56] | dekarl: | xrdodrx: you live alone? truncating random tables will not get you much fame with your significant other if timed well :D |
| [17:20:59] | sphery: | so--even though it wouldn't make the news--I'm sure they'd love to have some lulz at your expense, too |
| [17:21:23] | Beirdo: | sphery: lulz can fund a new nice car? |
| [17:22:01] | xrdodrx: | okay sphery I finally was able to run that command but T still doesn't turn on captioning |
| [17:24:18] | sphery: | xrdodrx: all I can say is that it's some invalid data in your database |
| [17:24:26] | sphery: | when did you create the database? it's not new, is it? |
| [17:24:52] | sphery: | (and you did do the mythbackend --clearcache, right?) |
| [17:24:59] | xrdodrx: | yup |
| [17:25:10] | xrdodrx: | i created it recently |
| [17:25:16] | xrdodrx: | like within the last week |
| [17:25:54] | sphery: | what's connected to your ivtv cards? |
| [17:26:02] | sphery: | stb or direct cable input? |
| [17:26:13] | xrdodrx: | I just ran mythtv-setup, it's showing my vbi format as ntsc... |
| [17:26:23] | xrdodrx: | sphery, a digital antenna i picked up |
| [17:26:38] | sphery: | Canada, I'd assume, then? |
| [17:26:46] | xrdodrx: | US |
| [17:27:01] | sphery: | HVR-1600, then? |
| [17:27:16] | sphery: | and you're using the digital side, not the analog side? |
| [17:27:20] | xrdodrx: | 1250 |
| [17:27:26] | xrdodrx: | and yes analog has been shut off in the US |
| [17:27:29] | sphery: | ahh, then you're not using ivtv |
| [17:27:32] | xrdodrx: | couldn't use it if i wanted to |
| [17:27:42] | xrdodrx: | oh :( |
| [17:28:17] | sphery: | ok, so in a recording or live tv, get to an actual spot in the program (not the commercials) and hit MENU, then go to Subtitles and see what's listed |
| [17:28:24] | sphery: | it will only show you those that exist |
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| [17:31:31] | xrdodrx: | sphery, okay, I don't see a subtitles option though after hitting M for menu |
| [17:31:43] | xrdodrx: | it's not in video either as far as i can see |
| [17:31:47] | sphery: | what's there... should be right after video or audio |
| [17:31:49] | xrdodrx: | not sure where else it would logically be |
| [17:31:53] | sphery: | might not say subtitles |
| [17:32:18] | xrdodrx: | audio, video, playback, schedule, jobs |
| [17:34:22] | sphery: | ok, it is called subtitles, so that means it's not detecting any |
| [17:34:38] | sphery: | which is why you don't see any when you toggle subs on |
| [17:34:55] | xrdodrx: | :< |
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| [17:35:47] | xrdodrx: | none of my 3 channels seem to support subtitling :< |
| [17:35:57] | xrdodrx: | i thought they were required by law |
| [17:36:02] | xrdodrx: | especially on stations like NBC |
| [17:36:12] | xrdodrx: | WMGM |
| [17:36:30] | sphery: | you should see it during prime time, at least |
| [17:36:35] | sphery: | not sure about daytime subs |
| [17:36:43] | sphery: | though I thought it should be there |
| [17:36:50] | xrdodrx: | it's the law |
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| [17:37:17] | xrdodrx: | http://www.fcc.gov/guides/closed-captioning |
| [17:37:20] | sphery: | it could just be that a) your configuration isn't right or b) they're not signalling it correctly (but in a way that other, "sloppier" devices don't notice that it's wrong) |
| [17:38:07] | xrdodrx: | how can i turn my device into a slob |
| [17:38:09] | xrdodrx: | ;) |
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| [17:39:50] | sphery: | you could try: mythfrontend -v playback,vbi and you should see a ton of messages, a few of which should say something about what's happening with subtitles |
| [17:48:49] | xrdodrx: | sphery, http://pastebin.com/FpnnMhcV |
| [17:49:12] | xrdodrx: | the word subtitle is never even mentioned |
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| [18:13:23] | sdkovacs: | Hi all. Question regarding VDPAU playback. I have an 8400GS playing back SD and HD content from clearQAM recordings. Which is the best VDPAU playback profile for me? |
| [18:15:18] | wagnerrp: | vdpau slim, you might be able to pull off normal |
| [18:16:14] | sdkovacs: | thank you. I'm limping along with old hardware until i can put together a purchase for new backend and new frontend. Have a great weekend. |
| [18:16:33] | wagnerrp: | crummy ghost disk |
| [18:16:49] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean you cant find the CD drive |
| [18:16:56] | wagnerrp: | you just friggen booted off of it |
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| [19:38:03] | Gumby`: | hi all. I know that the asx streaming in mythweb is somewhat experimental (or at least that is what mythweb tells me) but is there a way that anyone knows of to figure out why the streaming does not listen to the bitrate and width that I set it to? |
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| [20:08:08] | sphery: | Gumby`: asx streaming means that mythtv gives you a plain text file with the location of some video file to play |
| [20:08:49] | sphery: | if that is now using the backend or mythweb or something to do the streaming (versus just a list of files on the file system), it's not actually transcoding anything |
| [20:09:08] | sphery: | only thing that attempts to transcode (TTBOMK) is the Flash garbage |
| [20:11:39] | Gumby`: | sphery: oh, I see. now I remember..... it's been awhile. The flash player is located within the recording info page in mythweb for the specific recording |
| [20:11:44] | Gumby`: | its not the asx streaming link |
| [20:16:19] | sphery: | if it's the flash player, only way to actually change that is to change the ffmpeg command line it's using to generate the video |
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| [20:30:08] | Gumby`: | sphery: the mythweb settings dont work? There is a page to adjust width/video bitrate/audio bitrate |
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| [22:03:00] | wagnerrp: | only nine tickets closed this past week |
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| [22:05:13] | wagnerrp: | versus ten opened |
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| [23:15:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yours did it too... the 0.24-fixes commit went through, but the (fore-?)ported commit to master didn't trigger an update to the ticket (even though the github message came through e-mail) |
| [23:16:23] | wagnerrp: | mine what? |
| [23:16:35] | sphery: | I'm starting to wonder if that -x message on a cherry pick is messing it up |
| [23:16:47] | wagnerrp: | the mythweb commit? |
| [23:16:59] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is not tracked by trac |
| [23:17:05] | wagnerrp: | only the primary repository is |
| [23:17:09] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9857#comment:2 has the 0.24-fixes commit, but didn't make a comment for https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/8b4f13064 |
| [23:17:15] | wagnerrp: | limitation of trac, it only supports one repository |
| [23:17:28] | sphery: | ahh, so /you/ made the comment in trac |
| [23:17:32] | sphery: | that's why it doesn't say github |
| [23:17:32] | sphery: | nvm |
| [23:17:39] | wagnerrp: | if you notice, its hand written, and has both commits |
| [23:17:40] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [23:18:17] | sphery: | well, your handwriting is as perfect as the font the computer uses, so I didn't recognize it as handwritten :) |
| [23:18:50] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i didnt intend to backport the fix |
| [23:19:03] | wagnerrp: | i just happened to first commit it unintentionally to 0.24 |
| [23:19:14] | wagnerrp: | and backing out the commit was more effort than just puching it |
| [23:19:16] | sphery: | hehe |
| [23:19:21] | sphery: | yeah, not worth backing it out |
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| [23:20:05] | wagnerrp: | i was trying to fix 10031 too |
| [23:20:23] | wagnerrp: | but i _can_not_figure_out_ how to debug mythweb |
| [23:20:50] | wagnerrp: | all of those commands get routed through a redirect page |
| [23:21:03] | wagnerrp: | and the redirect page says nothing but the 302 header |
| [23:21:03] | sphery: | I think the problem with that is that in some cases it puts up a default button when it should be one of the other buttons |
| [23:21:40] | wagnerrp: | no, the problem is the function to reset to default does some form of type checking |
| [23:21:46] | sphery: | this is the problem with each client trying to interpret the data itself |
| [23:21:49] | wagnerrp: | and as far as i can tell, type does not get populated |
| [23:22:36] | sphery: | well, the type checking makes sense since resetting to default is only usable when there's an override in place |
| [23:22:45] | sphery: | (I'm guessing you mean checking the rule type) |
| [23:23:22] | sphery: | now sure why it wouldn't populate the type, though |
| [23:24:47] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master . . . ram.php#L678 |
| [23:25:08] | wagnerrp: | those $schedule->type checks, i couldnt get anything to match them |
| [23:25:32] | wagnerrp: | except for an undefined variable, which i believe means it matched NULL |
| [23:26:29] | wagnerrp: | except php has some hideously funky inheritance |
| [23:26:53] | wagnerrp: | and as far as i understand object oriented programming, that command to pull the schedule shouldnt work |
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| [23:28:10] | wagnerrp: | also, ivee decided im going to use completely new tables for messing with the jobqueue stuff, at least for now |
| [23:28:32] | wagnerrp: | having to repeatedly merge changes to dbcheck is getting annoying |
| [23:30:16] | sphery: | hehe, because of my recent update to dbcheck? |
| [23:30:29] | wagnerrp: | and the last six before that |
| [23:30:50] | sphery: | I just did it so you wouldn't feel guilty about adding something new to dbcheck and making it so we need a new rollup |
| [23:30:56] | wagnerrp: | what does this '{disarmed}' mean? |
| [23:32:37] | sphery: | in the wiki? |
| [23:32:47] | wagnerrp: | on the mailing list |
| [23:32:54] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR firmware thread |
| [23:33:02] | sphery: | heh, no idea |
| [23:33:30] | sphery: | maybe some annoying spam filter that actually changes the subject (like the stupid ones that put BULK in there or whatever) |
| [23:34:13] | sphery: | MailScanner har detekterat ett möjligt bedrägeriförsök från "www.mythtv.org" >http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDPVR |
| [23:34:43] | wagnerrp: | chris porter? that dork infected one of the workstations at work |
| [23:34:44] | sphery: | I'm guessing that's related--but I don't know my nordic... |
| [23:35:07] | sphery: | he sent a virus to the list? |
| [23:35:25] | wagnerrp: | no, theres a guy named chris porter that works here |
| [23:35:35] | wagnerrp: | and he got something funky onto one of the machines here |
| [23:35:56] | wagnerrp: | hooks into the TCP stack or something, and injects redirects into pages accessed from google searches |
| [23:36:10] | sphery: | ahhh, wow |
| [23:36:26] | sphery: | yeah, when I couldn't get to bing, I saw tons of threads about bing/google search redirects |
| [23:36:43] | wagnerrp: | its been down ever since, waiting for the admin to re-image it |
| [23:36:45] | sphery: | i've also seen a lot of (less than trustworth, imho) DNS providers doing that |
| [23:36:51] | wagnerrp: | having given up on waiting, i decided to do it myself |
| [23:37:00] | wagnerrp: | but all weve got are old volume license copies of XP |
| [23:37:13] | wagnerrp: | and apparently no floppy drives to load the AHCI drivers |
| [23:38:20] | sphery: | like in Dulles airport, they have free wifi using a dns provider that redirects google and bing searches (you get the actual google/bing homepage, but when you submit, it redirects the request to a different search provider that pays per search) |
| [23:38:30] | sphery: | trying to remember which one... opendns? |
| [23:39:02] | sphery: | yep, opendns |
| [23:39:02] | wagnerrp: | ive never heard of opendns doing that |
| [23:39:16] | wagnerrp: | ive never liked some of the things opendns does |
| [23:39:27] | wagnerrp: | but had they done that, im sure tons of people would have been crying foul on the internet |
| [23:39:40] | wagnerrp: | since its only the techie types that would think to even use opendns |
| [23:39:41] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: what don't you like about opendns? |
| [23:40:00] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the fact that it always returns some IP |
| [23:40:10] | skd5aner: | ah, yea |
| [23:40:11] | sphery: | http://forums.opendns.com/comments.php?Discus . . . 6&page=2 |
| [23:40:40] | wagnerrp: | if theres nothing at that address, then damnit, i want my dns server to tell me so |
| [23:40:49] | sphery: | seems it's tied to the account--so I'm sure that the dulles airport has it set up to do that |
| [23:40:54] | wagnerrp: | i dont want to be redirected to some random web server running a search page |
| [23:40:57] | sphery: | might be how they "monetize" the wifi usage? |
| [23:41:09] | wagnerrp: | if i want that, i can just use my ISP's dns servers |
| [23:41:22] | sphery: | anyway, was really annoying--since their search engine sucks |
| [23:42:33] | sphery: | oh, and they also filter stuff, don't they--like they won't tell you addresses for "unsafe" or "offensive" sites or something |
| [23:43:33] | wagnerrp: | plus it f-s up all sorts of geo-location mechanisms websites set up |
| [23:43:48] | wagnerrp: | stuff that ensures youre using a nearby server for bandwidth heavy content |
| [23:44:10] | wagnerrp: | stuff that is intelligently trying to make the internet a better place |
| [23:45:00] | skd5aner: | actually – they just announced something to resolve that issue |
| [23:45:32] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: http://gigaom.com/broadband/opendns-google-an . . . -up-the-web/ |
| [23:45:57] | wagnerrp: | that still doesnt excuse the fact that the very things people would want to abandon their ISP's dns server for doing, they do |
| [23:46:09] | wagnerrp: | so whats the point |
| [23:46:44] | ** wagnerrp heads out to get food ** | |
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| [23:49:16] | skd5aner: | sphery: thansk for sharin that thread – that's kind of eye opening. I'm surprised I hadn't heard of that issue before |
| [23:50:15] | sphery: | yeah, it seems that it only does it in some places, so it's quite likely you wouldn't have actually seen it unless you connect to cheap and questionable public wifi (like in Dulles :) |
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| [23:50:44] | sphery: | I've been using OpenNIC DNS, lately, myself |
| [23:51:02] | sphery: | may not be the fastest, but at least I'm not giving google every single hostname I visit :) |
| [23:51:52] | skd5aner: | yea – I should eventually investigate some alternatives |
| [23:53:10] | natanojl: | sphery: That's Swedish for 'MailScanner has detected a potential phishing attempt from "www.mythtv.org" >http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDPVR' |
| [23:53:35] | sphery: | natanojl: hehe, wonder why it thinks that's a phishing attempt |
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| [23:55:24] | iamlindoro: | I knew I shouldn't have added the step to setup where you e-mail me your bank account numbers |
| [23:55:59] | skd5aner: | I thought the HD-PVR had a built in ATM feature |
| [23:56:01] | sphery: | no joke--project rules say you have to share those numbers with all of us! |
| [23:56:09] | natanojl: | sphery: the link including capital letters ? |
| [23:56:49] | sphery: | strange |
| [23:57:14] | sphery: | fortunately, I don't have users on my network that require me to use anything other than my own brain to try to avoid phishing attempts/virii/... |
| [23:57:32] | sphery: | (meaning I'm willing to take the risk of getting pwned) |
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| [00:20:20] | skd5aner: | Out of curiosity, is anyone planning on reviewing and/or applying patches for mythweb? |
| [00:20:29] | skd5aner: | (for 0.25) |
| [00:20:46] | ** wagnerrp closed a mythweb patch today ** | |
| [00:21:07] | skd5aner: | I submitted a fairly trivial one, but I think it makes a big difference |
| [00:21:40] | skd5aner: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9713 |
| [00:22:03] | skd5aner: | actually, I see you changed it to assigned wagnerrp |
| [00:22:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im not touching that one |
| [00:22:30] | wagnerrp: | (would require learning css0 |
| [00:23:34] | skd5aner: | heh... well, I tried to do my research well and also tested it out, but I understand if you aren't comfortable enough with it to give it the thumbs up – I just hope someone will |
| [00:23:35] | sphery: | or CSS 2 or 3, even |
| [00:24:11] | skd5aner: | been running it on my -fixes for about 5 months now... works good |
| [00:24:41] | sphery: | heh, "all modern browsers and IE6/7" :) |
| [00:25:14] | skd5aner: | sphery: you like that? but, seriously... that was the challenge... |
| [00:25:25] | skd5aner: | it would have been much easier for me to try and make it work and say "screw IE6/7" |
| [00:25:28] | sphery: | yeah, no joke--I've wrestled with CSS before |
| [00:25:49] | sphery: | and for some reason, customers always want to use IE |
| [00:26:23] | skd5aner: | That said – I honestly didn't have IE6 to test with – so I was going off of advice that indicated it would work |
| [00:26:38] | sphery: | I do like the rowspan = 2 part |
| [00:26:48] | sphery: | the line item you're sneaking in :) |
| [00:28:40] | sphery: | unlike the President, though, we have (and are willing to use our) line-item veto powers |
| [00:28:58] | sphery: | of course, since I like that change, I wouldn't exercise those powers... |
| [00:29:15] | wagnerrp: | so... youre not willing? |
| [00:29:23] | skd5aner: | sphery: "Uploaded v2 of the patch – minor changes to keep row height for each show consistent regardless of icon height (or lack of icon)." |
| [00:29:27] | sphery: | hehe, not for this /one/ item |
| [00:30:07] | sphery: | why the colspan 5 to 6 for description? |
| [00:30:19] | sphery: | doesn't cause problems for those icons? |
| [00:30:28] | skd5aner: | I think it makes it look extremely more appealing. And the best way to check is to go grab the HQ icon for E network, and use it in the current code |
| [00:30:32] | skd5aner: | then apply the patch, and see the difference |
| [00:30:36] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: i think the big issue is that xris and kormoc_afk plan to do a big rewrite at some point, although what that rewrite is has not yet been decided |
| [00:30:59] | wagnerrp: | but its hard to work up the will to work on something you plan on completely rewriting anyway |
| [00:31:25] | sphery: | ooh, space change... patch denied! |
| [00:31:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, but you know what... that's where I say "who gives a ****" – because unless that's goign to happen and be done within 2 months, does it really mean we should ignore patches on what we have now that may be around "indefinitely"? |
| [00:32:06] | skd5aner: | especially, fairly simplistic ones... I mean, if I was re-writing the "recorded programs" screen from scratch – then I could see where it might not be worth it to review |
| [00:32:13] | wagnerrp: | patches like... #2923? |
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| [00:32:26] | sphery: | I may just take this and apply it |
| [00:32:27] | wagnerrp: | im not saying its /good/ to do that |
| [00:32:35] | sphery: | now that I've looked it over... |
| [00:32:41] | wagnerrp: | im just saying i see where theyre coming from |
| [00:32:46] | sphery: | yeah, I do too |
| [00:32:56] | wagnerrp: | but 9 months after stating that on a couple tickets, and no visible effort toward that goal... |
| [00:33:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I get it too... but it really takes the community out of it... |
| [00:33:18] | sphery: | the status of MythWeb is kind of, er, hazy, right now |
| [00:33:37] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: yeah, i agree |
| [00:33:39] | sphery: | so many of the tickets are getting the "try again" answer from the Magic 8 Ball |
| [00:34:08] | sphery: | and I know that both of them are busy with other stuff, too, so ... |
| [00:34:15] | wagnerrp: | actually, one of the reason i closed two tickets earlier today, and was looking into a third |
| [00:34:21] | skd5aner: | I mean, I submit a patch like every 24 months... and almost all of them are trivally simple, but thye sit there for months... why should I even bother if the answer is "this might change eventually sometime in the future at an undisclosed point in time so we'll just sit on it and see what happens?" |
| [00:34:41] | wagnerrp: | its something i at least have some understanding of, and the tickets are starting to pile up |
| [00:34:43] | skd5aner: | I have a feeling I'm not the only one that gets a little discouraged by that |
| [00:35:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: re 5671, wasnt there some guy working on re-doing the mythvideo stuff to properly support storage groups? |
| [00:36:41] | skd5aner: | I would challenge the project to look at that aspect of the culture and try to apply simple patches (that actually make sense to apply/are good patches) in relatively short order... give people an indication that their work doesn't come very last line of a 100 other things |
| [00:38:33] | sphery: | skd5aner: when you have 400 tickets, 300+ come after a line of 100 tickets :) |
| [00:38:35] | skd5aner: | sphery: I know that kormoc and xris have other things and mythweb isn't on their radar... and, that there really isn't any other primary devs responsible for mythweb... so I didn't expect this to be reviewed anytime soon after I had submitted it :) |
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| [00:39:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: um, I will have to make mythvideo use storage groups more in line with how tv does for the recordedfile schema change--is that what you mean? |
| [00:39:31] | sphery: | or you meant mythweb mythvideo? |
| [00:39:40] | sphery: | and just providing initial support or something? |
| [00:39:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i mean.... do you recall someone saying they were going to work on rewriting mythweb/mythvideo to properly support all the new stuff |
| [00:40:28] | skd5aner: | but, the other example that wagnerrp posted (2923) is just one of those... I mean – I hear all the time about how devs say "if you want it, submit a patch" – but there are so many things that linger and get stale out there – I know that some just don't meet the standards for inclusing, but I would have to ask about how the others get prioritized? |
| [00:41:45] | skd5aner: | sphery: P.S., I think I made about 3–5 other kind of changes similiar to the one on 9713, but didn't submit them... I don't even remember what they all were at this point, but if you are eventually interested I might be willing to share them with you for review |
| [00:42:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: had you planned to do anything with 9939, or just leave it for kormoc? |
| [00:42:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I had planned to commit it-- I've been running it since the day it was submitted |
| [00:42:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I do recall talk of that, but don't remember who/when |
| [00:42:45] | iamlindoro: | I'll commit it tonight |
| [00:42:58] | skd5aner: | lol "inclusing" ... s/inclusing/inclusion |
| [00:43:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ok, i was considering applying it tonight |
| [00:43:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I can take it |
| [00:43:09] | wagnerrp: | for that purpose |
| [00:45:30] | wagnerrp: | hmm... recorded programs rss isnt working |
| [00:45:55] | wagnerrp: | no, now it is |
| [00:46:20] | skd5aner: | sphery: missed your question above... re colspan 6 -->5... In order to do the rowspan=2, I took the space from the description |
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| [00:48:08] | skd5aner: | had to come from somewhere to make it look nice and consistant |
| [00:49:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: there, pushed |
| [00:49:59] | ** wagnerrp investigates new toys ** | |
| [00:50:11] | skd5aner: | does git have a "shove" command? |
| [00:50:18] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I was confused because we have an extra column in master--so now it's 7->6 |
| [00:50:25] | skd5aner: | cause... when push comes to shove... |
| [00:50:27] | sphery: | figured it out, though |
| [00:51:00] | skd5aner: | ah – yea, sorry... patch was built at the time against fixes which I think aligned still with master – I think some of the metadata stuff that has happened since then probably mucked around wit hthe layout a bit |
| [00:51:41] | skd5aner: | sphery: if you need me to, I could try and submit a patch against master, although I'm not really setup to do that... |
| [00:53:06] | sphery: | thanks--I have it updated |
| [00:53:25] | sphery: | just had to get load up a page in -fixes and master and compare to see what was going on |
| [00:53:58] | sphery: | makes the channel icon pretty huge |
| [00:54:13] | skd5aner: | huh? It's supposed to not do that? |
| [00:54:26] | skd5aner: | actually, that's the whole intention of the patch :) |
| [00:54:30] | sphery: | no, like 70 pixels huge versus the previous 35is |
| [00:54:32] | sphery: | ish |
| [00:54:42] | skd5aner: | oh, in a "good" way? |
| [00:54:50] | sphery: | just seems weird to have them much larger than the preview images |
| [00:56:00] | sphery: | (since my previews are 16:9 and the icons are 4:3, the black bars on the previews make the preview seem small) |
| [00:56:09] | skd5aner: | Well, each recording "row" was basically that size, so the max it would be is 70... I think the box would actually be about 90x90 |
| [00:56:34] | sphery: | can you imagebin a screenshot of yours |
| [00:56:41] | skd5aner: | sure |
| [00:56:44] | sphery: | thx |
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| [01:00:34] | skd5aner: | sphery: http://imagebin.org/171814 |
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| [01:01:26] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:01:42] | sphery: | so, I just needed to force refresh--it had old css |
| [01:01:46] | skd5aner: | sphery: let me also do another one... |
| [01:02:41] | sphery: | skd5aner: This is why I was worried: http://imagebin.org/171815 |
| [01:02:52] | sphery: | looks good once I forced a refresh of CSS |
| [01:02:56] | skd5aner: | lol – yea... |
| [01:02:59] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [01:03:06] | sphery: | I didn't think that could be what you wnated |
| [01:03:08] | skd5aner: | that would be for my grandparents |
| [01:03:12] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:03:18] | sphery: | ok, I'm happier with it, now |
| [01:03:34] | skd5aner: | but, let me grab a particular screenshot without it – the reason I did it to begin with... |
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| [01:03:54] | sphery: | fix up the preview images to be centered (and not have black bars on them if they're 16:9), and I'l be really happy |
| [01:04:42] | skd5aner: | I can probably work on it |
| [01:05:09] | skd5aner: | I can definitely do the centering piece... the 16:9... eh.... |
| [01:06:43] | skd5aner: | well, nevermind... too much effort trying to revert back, clear cache, record something on E, etc |
| [01:06:50] | sphery: | hehe, yeah--it is technically centered, now, but the problem is that there's a black bar on bottom for 16:9 vids because it always requests a 4:3 preview image size |
| [01:06:51] | skd5aner: | you get the point though :) |
| [01:07:12] | sphery: | yeah, I get the point--and it makes a lot more sense now that I've got the cache refreshed |
| [01:09:24] | skd5aner: | yea – surprisingly enough, when I was testing this out – it took me forever to get it to load the new CSS for some reason |
| [01:09:37] | sphery: | yeah, that's the other problem with css |
| [01:09:47] | skd5aner: | it wouldn't clear the old css out of cache – I don't remember what I did to finally "fix" that |
| [01:10:23] | sphery: | but for all is faults (browsers doing it differently and being tough to get the browser to reload, sometims), it's much better than the alternative |
| [01:11:43] | skd5aner: | yup – alright... off for some family time, have a good weekend guys! |
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| [01:12:05] | skd5aner: | sphery, wagnerrp: thanks for taking a look at that stuff (mine included) |
| [01:14:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: use your gmail address for the commit? |
| [01:15:04] | skd5aner: | yea, please |
| [01:15:38] | sphery: | trying to find the correct arg for approved/reviewed/somethinged by |
| [01:16:14] | sphery: | signoff |
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| [01:21:18] | sphery: | skd5aner: you forgot to closes #9713... |
| [01:22:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: as mentioned, it does nothing anyway |
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| [01:23:54] | sphery: | true, but would allow someone reading commits to know that :) |
| [01:24:46] | sphery: | oh, and of course, I'm joking when I blame you, skd5aner--since I'm the one who wrote the commit message and forgot it (but was fun to blame you since your name is on the commit) |
| [01:25:52] | sphery: | skd5aner: see, even the easy ones take time (granted, would probably have taken less time for kor moc to do it, but...) |
| [01:26:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: fwiw, I got stuck on the populating schedule thing the same as you |
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| [01:45:54] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea... blame me all you want – as long as the commit made it ;) |
| [01:46:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: is the hook broken again? |
| [01:47:16] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp, sphery: also, when the commit log doesn't contain the hook, it doesn't contain the ticket number – and I typically will reference associated ticket # for bug fixes and patches in the changelogs (at least, I started doing that for 0.25) |
| [01:47:32] | skd5aner: | s/changelogs/release notes |
| [01:47:33] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the hook only works for the primary repo |
| [01:47:40] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is in its own independent repo |
| [01:47:45] | skd5aner: | ah... yea |
| [01:47:56] | skd5aner: | ok, didn't realize it wasn't able to be hooked up across repos |
| [01:48:03] | wagnerrp: | limitation of trac |
| [01:48:08] | wagnerrp: | only one repo allowed |
| [01:48:15] | skd5aner: | still, I agree with sphery – it's good for folks like me who have stopped following track and only follow -firehose |
| [01:48:56] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: never hooked up trac to -firehose -is that something you would be up for? I mean... it is the "firehose" |
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| [01:58:18] | sphery: | why did some github (off the lists, annoying, ...) messages just appear on my github account... I had 5 recent ones and 5 older ones just appeared behind them |
| [01:59:38] | sphery: | just more reason to try to actually convince people to keep the discussion on the list instead of in the github garden where we can't track it |
| [01:59:56] | sphery: | off of them took about a month to show up fo rme |
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| [04:05:10] | [R]: | i dont get it, Louie is on fx, but some of the words they say are crazy |
| [04:05:16] | [R]: | since when can you say this stuff on fx |
| [04:05:37] | wagnerrp: | since forever |
| [04:05:49] | iamlindoro: | Heh, just like Archer |
| [04:05:56] | iamlindoro: | next week, yay! |
| [04:06:37] | [R]: | but its INSANE |
| [04:09:49] | ** wagnerrp still cant get over the middle aged balding white guy with a van ** | |
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| [04:14:33] | wagnerrp: | can you really call this "transcoding"? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10020 |
| [04:15:01] | wagnerrp: | i mean, dont you need some form of compression before you can call it something other than decoding? |
| [04:15:36] | wagnerrp: | (this decodes to 16-bit PCM to send over UPNP) |
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