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| [00:17:08] | Twiggy2cents: | so when a router has vpn passthrough... Usually that would mean that vpn data could "pass through" This freaking MiFi wont connect pptp to a vpn. I have verified that its connectable with my phone. |
| [00:17:27] | Twiggy2cents: | Freaking piece of crap |
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| [00:19:11] | wagnerrp: | 'vpn passthrough' is specifically in relation to IPSEC routing |
| [00:19:41] | Twiggy2cents: | grr... I spent the time to set up the wrong one. |
| [00:21:08] | Twiggy2cents: | what vpn would you reccomend that uses ipsec? |
| [00:21:52] | wagnerrp: | specifically VPN passthrough is nothing |
| [00:22:00] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to do anything to pass it through |
| [00:22:15] | wagnerrp: | you have to have special code to block IPSEC packets |
| [00:22:52] | Twiggy2cents: | so my pptp should work too? |
| [00:22:52] | wagnerrp: | just like you would need special code to block any other form of VPN |
| [00:23:20] | wagnerrp: | should, yes |
| [00:23:52] | Twiggy2cents: | Unless its set to block it maybe? I know I could connect to it when I had the vpn box home last night and on the same lan, and now that its at its resting place I can connect with it with my phone but not the computer that would connect to it before |
| [00:24:14] | Twiggy2cents: | So with that, does it seem like the MiFi is blocking the vpn packets? |
| [00:27:24] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh and I can ssh to the un vpn'able box |
| [00:27:32] | Twiggy2cents: | from the computer that wont vpn to it |
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| [00:35:06] | sphery: | skd5aner: FWIW, I think I'm going to recommend the theme-team approach to users and see if we get any takers. (I continued the discussion in #mythtv-theming a bit--see archive if you're interested in reading.) If we can get things set up as nicely as knightr and kenni set up translation teams, I think it could be a very good thing. |
| [00:35:51] | skd5aner: | sphery: sounds good – I'm not subscribed, but I'll check out the archives... I'd be happy to help as I can |
| [00:36:26] | sphery: | skd5aner: that was #mythtv-theming channel, not list |
| [00:36:32] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [00:37:15] | sphery: | so far only me, iamlindoro, and Paul H. have been said anything. I'll be watching to see what stuartm thinks |
| [00:39:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: specifically http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/3/2011-0 . . . -03:02:00:00 |
| [00:39:33] | sphery: | what a wonderful log bot |
| [00:39:40] | sphery: | allows me to bridge days, even |
| [00:39:45] | sphery: | someone should pay Beirdo more |
| [00:39:54] | skd5aner: | cool feature – was not aware |
| [00:40:07] | sphery: | only thing beirdobot is missing is a shiny metal posterior |
| [00:40:39] | skd5aner: | you can bite his shiny metal ass |
| [00:40:43] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:41:11] | skd5aner: | ... and blackjack, and hookers! |
| [00:42:16] | Beirdo: | heh... I should make it reply as such when you ask for a version number |
| [00:42:20] | skd5aner: | gah – shoping for my 4'th TV mount... everytime it's like swimming in the ocean – too many choices |
| [00:42:36] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, then it would be the perfect log bot |
| [00:42:38] | skd5aner: | shouldn't say "my" 4'th TV mount – but I've researched them for other folks |
| [00:42:54] | sphery: | btw, sorry for my backhanded compliment, there... "perfect except..." :) |
| [00:42:57] | Beirdo: | it already can belch |
| [00:43:06] | skd5aner: | !belch |
| [00:43:08] | Beirdo: | I just have it disabled for now |
| [00:43:10] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:43:32] | skd5aner: | !trout MythLogBot |
| [00:43:32] | ** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of skd5aner... ** | |
| [00:43:40] | skd5aner: | massicistic |
| [00:43:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:43:43] | ** sphery is cleaning tons of little, but annoying, things off his TODO ** | |
| [00:45:01] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:45:15] | ** Beirdo checks his TODO to make sure they don't appear over here ** | |
| [00:45:47] | sphery: | heh, I save the not-little, but still-annoying, ones for you |
| [00:46:01] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [00:46:03] | sphery: | hows that logger rewrite going, btw? |
| [00:46:09] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:46:35] | sphery: | now Beirdo wishes he had the bite my... functionality in MythLogBot |
| [00:46:55] | Beirdo: | !bite |
| [00:46:58] | Beirdo: | dangit |
| [00:46:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [01:09:24] | ** wagnerrp prefers the 'bit my shiny metal...' functionality ** | |
| [01:11:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: now, with the new N570, you can get a "laptop" with 2 bad processor cores, rather than getting a netbook with one bad processor core |
| [01:12:06] | sphery: | anyone else find it really annoying when people say, "dual-core processor that support 4 threads"? I can guarantee I can run an app with many-more-than 4 threads on that processor. |
| [01:13:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: whats wrong with an N570? looks like a perfectly fine processor |
| [01:13:55] | sphery: | it's a dual-core atom |
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| [01:14:13] | sphery: | why not get a laptop with a dual-core i3 or Core 2 Duo mobile? |
| [01:14:47] | wagnerrp: | or a dual core turion? |
| [01:14:52] | sphery: | or that |
| [01:15:08] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_A . . . 9_processors |
| [01:15:15] | wagnerrp: | like a Turion N570? |
| [01:15:24] | sphery: | ahhh. |
| [01:15:30] | sphery: | sorry... I see what you mean, now |
| [01:15:38] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:15:41] | sphery: | yeah, the Turion II N570 would be a useful proc |
| [01:15:47] | sphery: | the Atom N570, not so much |
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| [01:17:58] | wagnerrp: | an Atom is sufficient for my limited use case, its good enough for anyone! |
| [01:19:04] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [01:19:34] | sphery: | I especially love that argument when it comes at the tail end of a thread where a user complains that he gets playback glitches on his atom-based mythfrontend |
| [01:20:03] | sphery: | "it works for me"... shouldn't that be "it /doesn't/ work for me" |
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| [01:20:44] | wagnerrp: | does mythtv even support IVTC on VDPAU? |
| [01:21:00] | sphery: | don't think so |
| [01:21:23] | sphery: | TTBOMK, only ivtc support we had was a software filter, that you generally couldn't enable... |
| [01:22:13] | sphery: | though, actually, I don't see ivtc in the list of filters at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 |
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| [01:23:55] | sphery: | though we have a couple of tickets about ivtc filter: #2098 , #2591 , and [20742] mentions "a comma seperated list of options such as:- vdpauivtc" |
| [01:23:55] | MythLogBot: | SVN 20742: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d566e7c6 |
| [01:24:23] | sphery: | so maybe there is a vdpauivtc |
| [01:26:04] | markk_: | sphery: there is a vdpau ivtc option – though I've never heard of anyone screaming about how good it is :) I could never tell the difference with it on or off |
| [01:26:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:27:01] | wagnerrp: | markk_: im honestly more concerned about the qvdpautest option for 'MIXER TEMPORAL_SPATIAL + IVTC' |
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| [01:27:24] | wagnerrp: | if youre doing ivtc, you are outputting 24fps progressive content |
| [01:27:36] | wagnerrp: | what good is running another deinterlacing filter on top of that? |
| [01:28:16] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, because you don't want interlaced progressive frames! |
| [01:28:52] | Sedorox: | Anyone familar with the ION Platform? If I picked one up for a frontend, would it be able to play Big Buck Bunny in 1080P? (thats what I use to test my systems anyway) |
| [01:29:19] | wagnerrp: | Sedorox: big buck bunny is a video clip |
| [01:29:22] | ** sphery promises not to talk Atom trash this time ** | |
| [01:29:26] | wagnerrp: | the ION platform plays compressed video |
| [01:29:56] | wagnerrp: | being a video clip says absolutely nothing about the compression format used |
| [01:30:16] | Sedorox: | true, and I'm not sure offhand what it uses |
| [01:30:44] | wagnerrp: | the ION machines will play anything you can use DXVA with on windows |
| [01:30:59] | wagnerrp: | meaning Main or High h264, level 4.1 or lower |
| [01:31:23] | Sedorox: | the copy I have is MP4 |
| [01:32:35] | wagnerrp: | mp4 is a container, VDPAU takes raw compressed video streams |
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| [01:33:09] | Sedorox: | ok |
| [01:33:17] | wagnerrp: | compressed video stream would be mpeg4asp (divx/xvid) or mpeg4avc (h264) |
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| [01:35:29] | mycosys: | (12:27:45 PM) kormoc: wagnerrp, because you don't want interlaced progressive frames! << anyone for an oxymoron? |
| [01:36:03] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: this is a line output by qvdpautest... MIXER TEMPORAL_SPATIAL + IVTC (1920x1080): 106 fields/s |
| [01:36:19] | wagnerrp: | how do you run two different deint filters at the same time? |
| [01:36:23] | wagnerrp: | it just doesnt work |
| [01:37:04] | mycosys: | could always waste cycles i suppose |
| [01:37:25] | mycosys: | 1st would prolly deint and the other framerate adjust |
| [01:37:32] | mycosys: | seems ridiculous |
| [01:37:48] | markk_: | wagnerrp: it's a long time since I looked at the docs but from memory, it's entirely unclear how the vdpau ivtc option works. there was some suggestion that if it detects telecined content, it then overrides the deinterlacer |
| [01:37:48] | markk_: | Sedoroxx: should be fine as long as you're using the NVIDIA proprietary drivers |
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| [01:38:06] | wagnerrp: | but you dont have to framerate adjust |
| [01:38:18] | wagnerrp: | you let the video buffer handle the 2:3 pulldown |
| [01:38:54] | mycosys: | didnt say it was needed |
| [01:39:07] | Sedorox: | markk_: thats what I figured, now I just need to dig through all the ones available to see which would work the best... I'm debating either ion or small c2d type system with a GT card in it |
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| [01:39:15] | mycosys: | hence the oxymoron comment |
| [01:39:24] | wagnerrp: | markk_: yet that test actually shows different performance whether running ivtc in combination with temporal or advanced |
| [01:39:41] | wagnerrp: | 201 fields/sec with temporal, 106 fields/s with advanced |
| [01:40:12] | mycosys: | we dont generally get much tc content here lol |
| [01:40:16] | mycosys: | 50hz country |
| [01:40:32] | wagnerrp: | most of our pre-recorded shows are TCd |
| [01:40:51] | mycosys: | legacy of 60hz power |
| [01:42:33] | markk_: | wagnerrp: better or worse performance? |
| [01:42:52] | wagnerrp: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . &page=28 |
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| [01:49:28] | wagnerrp: | markk_: the only thing i can think is that it is working on a non-telecined source material |
| [01:49:47] | wagnerrp: | the driver detects this, drops out ivtc, and just performs the selected temporal/advanced deint |
| [01:50:03] | wagnerrp: | meaning the difference in adding ivtc is just the performance overhead of the analysis |
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| [01:52:45] | sphery: | knightr: not sure if you were told/noticed, but commit hooks are working, again (so you can use refs/fixes, etc.) |
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| [01:53:31] | mycosys: | at an offchance – have any of you managed to move ctrl-alt-fn to any other key combo? |
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| [01:54:34] | mycosys: | used to be an xorg option VTSysReq but that is no longer functional |
| [01:54:47] | mycosys: | xkb should do it – but i am getting no mjoy |
| [01:55:41] | mycosys: | may resort to DisableVTSwitch yet |
| [01:55:45] | mycosys: | but loathe to |
| [01:55:54] | mycosys: | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 |
| [01:56:02] | Twigg: | sphery, do you think human target is coming back? I feel like not many people watched it |
| [01:56:27] | wagnerrp: | well lets see if i get flamed for telling thrash dude that hes clueless |
| [01:56:55] | mycosys: | can i watch? |
| [01:57:09] | sphery: | Twigg: heh, I'm one who hasn't started watching it, yet |
| [01:57:28] | Twigg: | man you need more free time! |
| [01:57:28] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /311429.html |
| [01:59:23] | sphery: | Twigg: bythenumbers ays it's more likely to be cancelled than renewed: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/03/01/f . . . al-too/84054 |
| [01:59:26] | wagnerrp: | the whole concept that limited power for deinterlacing would cause problems with ABC/FOX (who broadcast progressive)... astounding... |
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| [01:59:52] | Twigg: | are you recording the chicago code? |
| [02:00:00] | Twigg: | I havent watched it at all |
| [02:00:09] | sphery: | yeah, recording it, but haven't started watching |
| [02:00:24] | sphery: | will say that between the 2, I would rather see Fringe come back |
| [02:00:35] | sphery: | (even though I haven't started watching Chicago Code) |
| [02:00:52] | sphery: | I'm confident that even if I had, I'd still choose Fringe |
| [02:01:45] | Twigg: | yes fringe is awesome! |
| [02:01:51] | mycosys: | they are 60Fps progressive, not 30? |
| [02:02:00] | mycosys: | seems a waste of bandwidth |
| [02:02:05] | Twigg: | I hope they at least tie the end together if it gets canceled |
| [02:02:05] | wagnerrp: | 720p60, yes |
| [02:02:41] | sphery: | 720p60 and 1080i30 have almost exactly the same pixels/sec, so should be about equivalent in bandwidth consumption |
| [02:03:12] | sphery: | which is the whole point of interlacing--trading temporal resolution to get increased spatial resolution within the same bandwidth constraints |
| [02:03:15] | mycosys: | p30 makes more sense to me |
| [02:03:44] | sphery: | I'd say it makes more sense for much of the source material |
| [02:03:57] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: most of the content is going to be again from p24 sources |
| [02:04:09] | wagnerrp: | so 6 out of 10 frames are going to be nearly empty duplicates |
| [02:04:11] | mycosys: | p25 even moreso – but u guys are dealing with ntsc legacy |
| [02:04:26] | wagnerrp: | a good encoder is not going to spend hardly any data on those frames |
| [02:04:32] | sphery: | p24 makes sense for p24 source |
| [02:04:37] | wagnerrp: | so you may as well be broadcasting 720p24 |
| [02:04:53] | wagnerrp: | for sporting events, the 60 progressive fps makes a big difference |
| [02:05:07] | sphery: | but, yeah, encoders (and good decoder) can make it so it's not an issue |
| [02:05:12] | mycosys: | they shouldnt be broacast imo lol |
| [02:05:21] | mycosys: | people want it they should go watch lol |
| [02:05:27] | wagnerrp: | true, they should just be sending 720p24 |
| [02:05:29] | mycosys: | save the rest of us seom boredom |
| [02:05:37] | wagnerrp: | but for some reason, we dont like to do that over here |
| [02:05:47] | wagnerrp: | even though its perfectly kosher in the ATSC spec |
| [02:06:03] | wagnerrp: | similarly, i dont understand why we dont broadcast in 1080p24 |
| [02:06:08] | sphery: | agreed |
| [02:06:11] | mycosys: | leagcy |
| [02:06:17] | mycosys: | *legacy |
| [02:06:19] | wagnerrp: | since it should in theory be using less bandwidth than the telecined 1080i30 material |
| [02:06:19] | sphery: | it's part of atsc spec |
| [02:06:33] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: legacy what? |
| [02:06:40] | wagnerrp: | there is no legacy ATSC gear |
| [02:06:51] | sphery: | atsc allows 1080i60, 1080p30, 1080p24, 720p60, 720p30, and 720p24 |
| [02:06:53] | mycosys: | but they are connected to legacy tvs |
| [02:07:04] | sphery: | plus a bunch of 480p/i stuff that I don't care about :) |
| [02:07:06] | Twigg: | The new house episode looks awesome |
| [02:07:09] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: through a digital video processor, that can output whatever the heck you want it to |
| [02:07:16] | Twigg: | next weeks* |
| [02:07:36] | mycosys: | some are likely to be underpowered crap that wont handle framerate changes well |
| [02:07:55] | sphery: | Twigg: cool... I'm only a little under 7 seasons behind on House, but I'll look forward to that one |
| [02:08:04] | Twigg: | LOL |
| [02:08:05] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: well this its crap that doesnt comply with the ATSC spec |
| [02:08:30] | wagnerrp: | in which case the consumers get the garbage they paid for |
| [02:08:39] | mycosys: | broadcasting in 30fps multiples would mean less whining to the broadcaster from people who went for the cheapest route = lot of lusers |
| [02:08:46] | wagnerrp: | and consumer product groups will rail the companies out of business |
| [02:09:06] | mycosys: | never works that way |
| [02:09:24] | mycosys: | people just keep buying cheap crap over stuff that works properly |
| [02:09:30] | mycosys: | get birned, and do it again |
| [02:09:34] | mycosys: | *burned |
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| [02:09:45] | sphery: | Twigg: they started showing from S1 on one of the locals, here, so I've been recording it... S6 and S7 I got new, but lost some S6 in the Great HDD failure, but they're now coming up in syndication, so I should get them back soon |
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| [02:30:36] | wagnerrp: | apparently some WV man has been arrested for making 'cat bombs' |
| [02:30:50] | wagnerrp: | now sadly, cats were not involved in any part of the bomb mechanism |
| [02:31:09] | wagnerrp: | he was just using toilet bowl cleaner, mixed with tin foil, sealed in a bottle |
| [02:31:25] | wagnerrp: | pressure builds up, the bottle bursts with a lot of noise |
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| [02:31:35] | wagnerrp: | he would throw them at cats to get them to go away |
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| [02:31:49] | wagnerrp: | now hes being arrested for illegal possession of explosives? |
| [02:31:57] | wagnerrp: | its toilet cleaner |
| [02:32:03] | wagnerrp: | ive got bottles of the stuff in my closet |
| [02:33:02] | Beirdo: | haz new old fridge |
| [02:33:04] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [02:33:31] | Beirdo: | I just need to be sure not to walk into it at night on the way to bed |
| [02:34:05] | wagnerrp: | so what goes into a kegerator? its just something to chill a keg with a spout for the pump to stick out of? |
| [02:34:06] | knightr: | sphery, thanks! I had seen some tests (from Raymond I believe) which suggested somebody was working on it but didn't know they were back... It might be worthwhile to mention it on -developers, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who didn't know the old commit hook commands are back. Thanks!\ |
| [02:34:24] | ** wagnerrp wonders what he would have been working on ** | |
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| [02:36:11] | sphery: | knightr: it actually got mentioned in "trac spam and commit hooks", but could have easily been missed since we've had a lot of messages to the list in the last couple weeks |
| [02:37:40] | wagnerrp: | seems jya is joining in on the Thrash Dude ridicule |
| [02:39:28] | jya: | wagnerrp: oh well, I've been saying get a GT430 for months now :) |
| [02:40:03] | wagnerrp: | jya: i was wondering how he could claim the 430 did not have enough power to deinterlace the progressive broadcasts from ABC and FOX |
| [02:40:15] | jya: | :) |
| [02:40:33] | Beirdo: | basically, you put the beer keg and CO2 tank in there, and run the beer hoses to taps on the door |
| [02:41:16] | wagnerrp: | you put the co2 tank in the fridge? |
| [02:41:25] | Beirdo: | if there's space |
| [02:41:42] | Beirdo: | otherwise you need to drill a hole through for the CO2 hose |
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| [02:41:56] | wagnerrp: | if your CO2 tank needs refrigeration, youre not drinking fast enough |
| [02:42:09] | Beirdo: | it's not to keep the CO2 cold |
| [02:42:10] | Beirdo: | ;) |
| [02:42:25] | Beirdo: | it's to keep from putting holes in the thing needlessly |
| [02:42:36] | sphery: | :( ... my GF7200 didn't even make the list of "choice for a media PC X years ago" |
| [02:42:36] | Beirdo: | I may put the CO2 tank in the fridge |
| [02:42:42] | Beirdo: | freezer rather |
| [02:42:47] | wagnerrp: | why get the drill out if youre not going to go nuts? |
| [02:42:59] | sphery: | would the CO2 tank allow heat to pass? |
| [02:43:13] | sphery: | isn't it basically a dewar-type construction with dead space? |
| [02:43:13] | Beirdo: | umm, you want as much of the insulation intact as possible |
| [02:43:15] | wagnerrp: | 7200? they made such a thing? |
| [02:43:22] | knightr: | sphery, sorry, you're right... Don't know how I missed this... It's marked as read but I don't remember reading it... Hmm, must be my Alzheimer... :) |
| [02:43:28] | wagnerrp: | i thought 7300 was the lowest discrete card on that generation |
| [02:43:34] | sphery: | knightr: heh, well there were a lot |
| [02:43:44] | Beirdo: | two one inch holes in the door is the extent of the drilling I wanna do |
| [02:43:45] | mycosys: | 7100gs wagnerrp |
| [02:43:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS (G72) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0) |
| [02:44:02] | mycosys: | tho 7100gs is actually a revamped 6200 |
| [02:44:08] | sphery: | mine's a 7200 GS |
| [02:44:47] | mycosys: | nv41 iirc |
| [02:44:48] | wagnerrp: | gotta love rebranding... |
| [02:45:38] | sphery: | I will say that it's not ideal--can't do OpenGL renderer at >1x |
| [02:45:40] | mycosys: | nup – nv44 |
| [02:45:46] | sphery: | with captions, especially |
| [02:46:41] | mycosys: | using xvmc? |
| [02:50:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, dry ice bombs are illegal now and you can be charged with felony possession for having the makings of one. The makings being dry ice around your ice cream to keep it cold and a empty soda bottle under the car seat... |
| [02:50:36] | mycosys: | you yanks are crazy |
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| [02:55:32] | knightr: | sphery, maybe but I pay special attention to -developers and -translators so I'm not sure what happened...I guess I should probably split mythtv mailings lists in different folder instead of sending everything to the same folder, I probably mistakenly marked it as read whle reading a thread on -users... Thanks! |
| [02:56:07] | sphery: | ah, yeah... I have a separate folder for each--it's the only way I can prioritize them properly |
| [02:56:55] | sphery: | btw, I'm thinking of trying to drum up support for theme-teams, modeled after your highly-successful translation teams |
| [02:57:28] | sphery: | would be great if it got a few more people involved in theming--and got us some new themes |
| [02:58:58] | knightr: | sphery, yep, I noticed your threads about it on -users and -theming... only thing I'm not sure is how people will collaborate on this... |
| [02:59:50] | sphery: | yeah, will likely involve some learning and trial and error to work out a workable approach |
| [03:00:40] | knightr: | translation is relatively easy, you can exchange diff file (or see SVN commits in the case of the French language translation team for example), but in the case of a theme you need the whole file to make sense out of it... |
| [03:01:26] | knightr: | best thing would be to have a web based theme making tool... :) |
| [03:01:26] | sphery: | yeah, I'll be encouraging them to set up their own repos for the themes |
| [03:01:54] | sphery: | and with the theme downloader, we don't need to put them into mythtv or myththemes packages--which means their repos would be the theme's permanent home |
| [03:02:03] | sphery: | and the downloder would just pull updates from their repos |
| [03:02:29] | sphery: | heh, yeah, web based would be cool |
| [03:02:32] | sphery: | but a lot of work |
| [03:02:52] | sphery: | I think normal dev type approach should work for them, though |
| [03:03:01] | knightr: | yep but probably less than a Qt-based tool... |
| [03:03:23] | sphery: | repo with committers and each pulls updates and such |
| [03:03:31] | wagnerrp: | knightr: why web-based? |
| [03:03:46] | knightr: | sphery, don't forget that these are not devs though... |
| [03:04:02] | knightr: | wagnerrp, to be able to more easily collaborate on the theme... |
| [03:04:49] | knightr: | wagnerrp, somehow I think this would be easier to use to non-devs... |
| [03:04:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know, far short of an actual editing tool, you think we could get some sort of real-time renderer? |
| [03:05:22] | sphery: | true, but with the right instructions, they could likely do all they need to do... i.e. cd ~mythtv/.mythtv/themes; svn co <whatever> ; cd <themename> ; <edit> ; svn ci |
| [03:05:28] | iamlindoro: | just use the mythui libraries, writing a renderer would be simple |
| [03:05:34] | wagnerrp: | stuartm, or maybe iamlindoro, would probably be best to answer this, but i wonder if we could.... |
| [03:05:43] | iamlindoro: | (which is not me volunteering, btw) |
| [03:05:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:06:03] | wagnerrp: | no, just answer whether it would be a possibility |
| [03:06:04] | sphery: | hardest part is filling up the window-specific info |
| [03:06:07] | wagnerrp: | not volunteering |
| [03:06:21] | sphery: | i.e. list of recordings in watch recordings screen, ... |
| [03:06:33] | sphery: | if you just drew boxes or whatever... maybe |
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| [03:07:03] | wagnerrp: | the problem would be you would have to write duplicate dummy code for each possible window |
| [03:07:12] | wagnerrp: | which number in the hundreds |
| [03:07:18] | sphery: | right |
| [03:07:33] | sphery: | but mythfrontend already has non-dummy versions of such code :) |
| [03:08:06] | wagnerrp: | well im talking about something that would let you tweak the theme XML, and immediately see changes |
| [03:08:17] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to restart the program to refresh that information |
| [03:08:30] | sphery: | on most screens you can just escape and re-enter |
| [03:08:37] | wagnerrp: | really... |
| [03:08:40] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:08:49] | wagnerrp: | i assumed it just loaded it once at the theme load |
| [03:09:00] | sphery: | pretty sure once per window load |
| [03:09:40] | wagnerrp: | seems like that would cause things to run a lot slower than were it cached in memory |
| [03:10:00] | knightr: | sphery, isn't there some theme-related processing when you start the frontend? |
| [03:10:04] | sphery: | but gives you instant updates :) |
| [03:10:08] | wagnerrp: | well, i guess it would be reading off the disk cache, rather than the disk itself |
| [03:10:16] | sphery: | generally |
| [03:10:24] | wagnerrp: | so if you had altered it, it would already be in memory |
| [03:10:26] | sphery: | and reading the xml isn't that resource intensive |
| [03:10:32] | sphery: | except, maybe, for an atom |
| [03:10:35] | sphery: | :) |
| [03:10:56] | sphery: | knightr: pretty sure only the "choose which theme to use and load base.xml" part |
| [03:11:12] | sphery: | changes to base.xml probably require restart, but the rest should just require escape/re-enter |
| [03:11:32] | sphery: | require restart or SIGUSR2 (or 1?) |
| [03:11:45] | knightr: | sphery, thought there was some resizing stuff (or is that a thing of the past)? |
| [03:11:54] | sphery: | USR1 |
| [03:12:28] | sphery: | ah, you mean the image caching... don't know how that would be affected |
| [03:12:56] | sphery: | might require a restart/USR1 if you change image files |
| [03:13:06] | knightr: | sphery, ah, thanks, you're right... |
| [03:13:16] | sphery: | as for the xml stuff, though, I've always just done escape/re-enter |
| [03:13:27] | sphery: | (for non-base.xml ones) |
| [03:13:31] | sphery: | that said, IANAT |
| [03:13:45] | sphery: | so I may just be hacking wrong |
| [03:14:32] | knightr: | IANAT = I Am Not A Themer? |
| [03:14:38] | sphery: | right |
| [03:14:56] | knightr: | :) |
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| [03:16:12] | knightr: | personally, I'm tempted to try writing a theme (at least to know how it work) but I haven't yet found a good idea... |
| [03:16:55] | sphery: | heh, I know I couldn't do one |
| [03:17:35] | sphery: | I could make one that's technically correct, but as for looks, I'm sure people would refer to my baby as having a face "only a mother could love" |
| [03:17:36] | knightr: | sphery, don't underestimate yourself... |
| [03:17:46] | knightr: | :) :) |
| [03:18:13] | Beirdo: | nah, they'd say, "It's great but if only..." |
| [03:18:30] | knightr: | pretty sure given time (and input from other people) you could make a good theme... |
| [03:18:37] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, yeah |
| [03:19:21] | sphery: | knightr: I'm doing well just to pick out clothes in the morning that don't elicit comments from others |
| [03:19:52] | sphery: | at least that aren't so obviously mismatched that they're willing to comment to my face |
| [03:19:56] | knightr: | sphery, ROTFL... |
| [03:23:11] | knightr: | argh... my favorite computer store has a deal that if you spend over a certain amount (not negligible, I rarely ordered for that much but there was a good deal on Atoms :) ) you get free shipping for a year... I wish they had done that the last time I ordered (a few weeks ago), I would have had free shipping ... |
| [03:23:35] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:24:03] | sphery: | the Amazon Prime/Amazon Instant Video is making me consider getting prime |
| [03:25:42] | knightr: | hmm, wish it was available here (Amazon Canada doesn't offer it unfortunately...) |
| [03:27:13] | sphery: | yeah, rumor has it that they're likely to roll it out to more countries sooner rather than later |
| [03:28:30] | knightr: | let's hope so... problem is Amazon Canada doesn't have as much stuff as Amazon.com (but that's supposed to change to according to something I read a few months ago...) |
| [03:28:54] | knightr: | (or I should say Amazon.ca) |
| [03:29:36] | sphery: | here's hoping! |
| [03:34:00] | knightr: | :) |
| [03:35:14] | knightr: | BTW, I hope that if we get some new themers they won't try to reinvent the wheel as far as strings are concerned otherwise it will soon become a pain to translate them... (it already is...) |
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| [03:38:37] | knightr: | wagnerrp, for smolt the language used would be nice to have too... |
| [03:44:16] | knightr: | Beirdo, Hi!. you only have one HVR-2250 in your box, right? |
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| [03:49:21] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [03:49:26] | Beirdo: | only got one slot : |
| [03:49:28] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:51:22] | clgshaft: | Beirdo: Do you have analog and digital working in the 2250? |
| [03:53:31] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [03:54:13] | knightr: | Beirdo, thanks! Looks like the driver might have a problem when there's two tuners... |
| [03:54:30] | Beirdo: | umm, it has two tuners built-in |
| [03:54:36] | Beirdo: | you mean two cards? |
| [03:54:45] | clgshaft: | Beirdo: Both digital tuners work? |
| [03:54:54] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [03:54:59] | Beirdo: | and both analog capture |
| [03:55:00] | wagnerrp: | why wouldnt they? |
| [03:55:02] | knightr: | clgshaft, you need to define input groups so that tuner 1 analog and tuner 1 digital and tuner 2 analog and tuner 2 digital are not used at the same time |
| [03:56:05] | knightr: | Beirdo, yes, two cards (8 tuners total but only 4 able to work at the same time)... |
| [03:56:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm not sure. I can't see why it wouldn't work, but.. I can't help ya there |
| [03:58:09] | knightr: | he get an error in saa7164-bus which seems to be the code that deal with talking with the firmware but only when two cards are installed... |
| [03:58:14] | clgshaft: | knightr: I need to create input groups then |
| [03:58:41] | knightr: | I checked if stoth was around both and #linuxtv and here and I haven't seen him recently... |
| [03:58:50] | wagnerrp: | !seen stoth |
| [03:58:50] | MythLogBot: | stoth was last seen 28 days 2 hours 23 minutes 43 seconds ago |
| [03:58:56] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [03:59:05] | clgshaft: | Only when two cards are added on the backend, I don't have an issue with both installed |
| [03:59:12] | knightr: | yikes, thanks Raymond, that kinda confirms it... |
| [03:59:21] | Beirdo: | Californication is an ... interesting... show |
| [03:59:40] | clgshaft: | Californication is a great show |
| [03:59:48] | knightr: | clgshaft, the crash is only when MythTV tries to talk to them? |
| [03:59:54] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: nothing like a show where he attacks the douche with a phone in a movie theater |
| [03:59:59] | knightr: | (ie use them...) |
| [04:00:26] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyAZZHVfoQw |
| [04:00:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:00:49] | clgshaft: | Ie, only if I setup all tuners on the backend, if both cards are in the pc, but I only add tuners from one of e cards, tried both, no crash |
| [04:01:14] | kormoc: | Eva Amurri as an adult dancer == win IMHO |
| [04:02:00] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the applause at the end of that is amazing |
| [04:02:09] | Beirdo: | I'd bet :) |
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| [04:02:30] | knightr: | wagnerrp, :) |
| [04:03:27] | wagnerrp: | is there something mentally wrong with his daughter? |
| [04:03:55] | knightr: | clgshaft, it crashes when you do what, record or watch live tv? |
| [04:05:37] | clgshaft: | Watch one of the tuners |
| [04:07:17] | knightr: | so it crashes as soon as MythTV accesss the driver to talk to one of the tuners... If the problem is in the driver it should crash with TvTime too I would guess... |
| [04:07:19] | Beirdo: | so if you look at it, it crashes? |
| [04:07:26] | clgshaft: | Ok I got two digital tuners working with input priority 1' will try to add analog now |
| [04:07:45] | clgshaft: | Crashes the kernel, watching a digital tuner |
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| [04:09:26] | clgshaft: | Maybe it's the input priorities? |
| [04:10:49] | knightr: | clgshaft, why are you setting input priorities? |
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| [04:12:50] | clgshaft: | Let me switch pc |
| [04:13:00] | wagnerrp: | does mythtv support any hardware decoding on osx? |
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| [04:15:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: pretty sure not really, yet, but Mark is working on VDA |
| [04:15:20] | wagnerrp: | i remember seeing stuff about VDA, but didnt know if it was working yet |
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| [04:15:54] | jams: | wagnerrp- if no one has mentioned it yet, add playback profile/playback acceleration type to the list of info to collect |
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| [04:16:18] | wagnerrp: | jams: honestly, i thought you were a dev |
| [04:16:28] | jams: | nope |
| [04:16:33] | wagnerrp: | but you have voice |
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| [04:16:41] | jams: | yes |
| [04:16:46] | wagnerrp: | crazy |
| [04:16:47] | jams: | also have ops |
| [04:17:09] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:17:10] | wagnerrp: | do you know if the smolt from git will work with our existing server? |
| [04:17:24] | jams: | yes it will |
| [04:17:26] | clgshaft: | knight: i need to have a input for analog 1, 2 etc, and same for digital? |
| [04:17:31] | jams: | already submitted a profile |
| [04:17:49] | wagnerrp: | fantastic |
| [04:17:54] | jams: | yep! |
| [04:18:07] | ** Beirdo twiddles his thumbs ** | |
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| [04:19:34] | knightr: | clgshaft, you need to make an input group that regroups the first analog tuner with the first digital tuner and the second digital tuner with the second analog tuner |
| [04:19:56] | knightr: | be careful though, it's pretty easy to create input groups you don't want... |
| [04:20:28] | clgshaft: | i have, cable, ota digital, and directv inputs |
| [04:20:51] | clgshaft: | sources sorry |
| [04:21:24] | clgshaft: | i currently have two digital tuners working, and the other card is working with one analog, no crash yet |
| [04:21:31] | jams: | wagnerrp- that would be why I don't have access to the other mailing list :) |
| [04:21:44] | knightr: | directtv is using composite? |
| [04:22:13] | clgshaft: | yes |
| [04:22:19] | clgshaft: | no svideo |
| [04:23:12] | knightr: | clgshaft, OK, it works for what reason now, because you set up input groups? |
| [04:24:00] | clgshaft: | i set input priorities |
| [04:24:02] | wagnerrp: | jams: anyway, added to the list |
| [04:24:43] | clgshaft: | input priority 1, input group called digital, added both digital tuners to that |
| [04:25:15] | jams: | thx |
| [04:25:22] | knightr: | wagnerrp, language would be nice too if possible. |
| [04:25:36] | clgshaft: | input priority 2, input group called directv, added the svideo, second option for both was left as generic |
| [04:25:44] | ** wagnerrp knows knightr is on that mailing list ** | |
| [04:26:12] | ** wagnerrp points at item 8 ** | |
| [04:26:25] | knightr: | Beirdo, setting input priority would preven the crash, weird... |
| [04:27:39] | clgshaft: | on the input priority screen the top is is the input priority, the bottom input group. you just wanted input groups right? |
| [04:27:44] | knightr: | wagnerrp, OK I guess you mean you want an official email, np... |
| [04:28:00] | wagnerrp: | knightr: i mean i sent a follow up with additional items |
| [04:28:04] | wagnerrp: | including language as item 8 |
| [04:28:07] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:28:19] | jams: | wagnerrp- fyi the server will need to be modified to handle the new additions, but I will take care of that. |
| [04:28:26] | knightr: | (yep, I had understood when you referred to item 8 since it doesn't exist... :) ) |
| [04:28:49] | jams: | but you probably already new that |
| [04:29:12] | wagnerrp: | jams: yeah, thats why id like to add them in one lump, rather than add various metrics piecemeal as we decide they would be interesting |
| [04:29:20] | wagnerrp: | (hence the email) |
| [04:29:21] | jams: | agreed |
| [04:29:27] | clgshaft: | nope didnt work, video frame buffered to many times, and then kernel crashed |
| [04:29:40] | jams: | i'm with you on that one |
| [04:30:00] | knightr: | clgshaft, it crashes when you only set input group? |
| [04:30:07] | knightr: | groups... |
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| [04:31:27] | jams: | it would also be nice to have a 2ndary uuid to mark machines that are part of the same cluster. That one would be very easy to pull off since the uuid is already stored in the DB |
| [04:31:44] | clgshaft_: | Pc froze because of crash |
| [04:34:44] | knightr: | clgshaft, it crashes when you only set input groups? |
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| [04:35:29] | knightr: | wagnerrp, Thanks! If I think of anything else I'll post them to the list... |
| [04:39:54] | clgshaft: | I don't think I understand input groups, for analog 0 and adapter 0 need to be in the same input group? This would be input 1, input 2 would stay as generic? |
| [04:40:14] | clgshaft: | Analog = video |
| [04:41:17] | clgshaft: | But if only adapter 0 and adapter 1 are setup, no video 0 or 1, no input group is required? |
| [04:42:21] | knightr: | you create an input group which you assign to the first analog tuner and the first digital tuner and you create another input group which you assign to the second analog tuner and the second digital tuner... |
| [04:42:42] | knightr: | since you have two cards you would need to do that twice |
| [04:42:50] | knightr: | (2 input groups per card) |
| [04:43:00] | clgshaft: | As input group 1 |
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| [04:48:39] | knightr: | clgshaft, there must be something I'm not remembering right about that screen, you can only fill in one input group per tuner, no? |
| [04:49:22] | clgshaft: | Input group 1 and input group 2 for each input connection |
| [04:50:51] | knightr: | input group 1 |
| [04:52:24] | clgshaft: | I got adapter 0 and video 0 in input group 1 called zero |
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| [04:53:17] | knightr: | ok |
| [04:53:32] | clgshaft: | Right? |
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| [04:55:37] | knightr: | yes |
| [04:56:31] | clgshaft: | Ok, so issue with one of the cards, only one side of the digital works |
| [04:57:09] | clgshaft: | 3/4 digital working, waiting for crash |
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| [05:00:12] | clgshaft: | Sucks that card dont work, adapter 1 |
| [05:00:36] | clgshaft: | Adapter 0, 2, and 3 work |
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| [05:03:47] | knightr: | clgshaft, what does it do when you try what's on adapter 1? |
| [05:04:10] | clgshaft: | No signal |
| [05:05:19] | knightr: | what's on adapter 1, OTA, cable? |
| [05:05:55] | clgshaft: | Ota, adapter = dvb tuner |
| [05:06:03] | knightr: | why do you say adapter 1 is not working, are you choosing it specifically? |
| [05:06:44] | clgshaft: | Yes, I try them all |
| [05:07:06] | knightr: | ok, you meant that kind of adapter... so it's ATSC... |
| [05:07:14] | clgshaft: | Yes |
| [05:07:24] | knightr: | the other tuner is OTA too? |
| [05:07:45] | clgshaft: | I have 4 inputs that should work, and I can switch between them |
| [05:07:52] | knightr: | (should be since there's only one antenna input) |
| [05:07:59] | clgshaft: | 4 ota inputs |
| [05:08:08] | clgshaft: | It's not |
| [05:08:17] | knightr: | it's not what? |
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| [05:08:55] | clgshaft: | Working, adapter 1, adapter 0 shares the same coax and works |
| [05:09:02] | jya: | wagnerrp: how does that work the smolt bit? I read "% hosts detected AUDIO 63.7 %" |
| [05:09:10] | clgshaft: | Both work on the other card |
| [05:09:32] | jya: | does that mean only 63% of the people use myth with audio, or that it just doesn't know for 36.3% of the config if they have audio or not |
| [05:09:47] | knightr: | I wonder if it doesn't work because there's two cards... |
| [05:10:05] | knightr: | (that shouldn't cause that problem though...) |
| [05:10:09] | clgshaft: | But half the tuner works |
| [05:10:21] | wagnerrp: | jya: where ar eyou seeing that? |
| [05:10:25] | knightr: | of that card, the other card work, right? |
| [05:10:32] | knightr: | works... |
| [05:10:34] | jya: | http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/by_class_AUDIO.html |
| [05:11:04] | wagnerrp: | well its going by physically installed hardware |
| [05:11:41] | wagnerrp: | so apparently 36% of users were running an audio device with an unknown device id |
| [05:11:56] | clgshaft: | Each card has one coax which = two atsc tuners. One of cards only one is working, the other card both work |
| [05:13:08] | knightr: | clgshaft, regardless of the order in which you browse the tuners? |
| [05:13:43] | knightr: | let's say you switch to the card where both tuners work to the tuner that doesn't work, does it work? |
| [05:13:44] | wagnerrp: | jya: check out /sys/bus/pci/devices/<your audio device>/class |
| [05:13:52] | clgshaft: | Yes, I can choose which one manually, m source |
| [05:13:54] | knightr: | BTW, things are no longer crashing? |
| [05:14:04] | clgshaft: | No it doesn't work |
| [05:14:17] | wagnerrp: | my onboard audio (GF8200) is listed as a 0x040300 device |
| [05:14:21] | clgshaft: | Watch analog, analog doesn't crash |
| [05:14:29] | wagnerrp: | right now, smolt detects that as... nothing, it doesnt know what it is |
| [05:14:30] | clgshaft: | Watching |
| [05:14:44] | clgshaft: | Movie almost over |
| [05:14:47] | wagnerrp: | 0x04xxxx is know to be multimedia |
| [05:14:59] | wagnerrp: | 0x0400xx is video |
| [05:15:05] | wagnerrp: | 0x0401xx is audio |
| [05:15:28] | wagnerrp: | but 0x0403xx, its not programmed to understand |
| [05:18:17] | knightr: | wagnerrp, sorry about bugging you about adding language earlier, I frequently receive mails which, for some reason were very delayed and this was the case with your updated list (in which you had added it), sorry... |
| [05:18:39] | wagnerrp: | knightr: not a problem |
| [05:18:51] | wagnerrp: | i just started that thread on the mailing list so others could add to it |
| [05:19:30] | knightr: | I'll have to track down why that occurs eventually... |
| [05:19:40] | clgshaft: | Crashed |
| [05:20:32] | clgshaft: | Video frame buffered to many times and kernel crash |
| [05:21:00] | knightr: | clgshaft, same error on the kernel side or something else? |
| [05:21:07] | clgshaft: | Same |
| [05:23:53] | clgshaft: | Analog still works |
| [05:23:59] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, arclight isn't a menu theme, the setup wizard is in all themes, tehre's a default theme |
| [05:24:15] | iamlindoro: | it just stinks ;) |
| [05:24:43] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i was getting issues on everything else where it was 'missing critical theme elements' or some such |
| [05:24:53] | knightr: | clgshaft, I guess the best thing would be to report it on #linuxtv (or their ml) now... |
| [05:25:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Hmm, just pulled it up in mythcenter |
| [05:25:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, And I don't have any local git changes |
| [05:25:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Sounds like you maybe had an old default theme installed somehow |
| [05:26:00] | iamlindoro: | (as that page of the wizard used to have different contents) |
| [05:26:10] | clgshaft: | Kmight someone said bugzilla |
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| [05:28:26] | knightr: | clgshaft, yep, looks like it must be created on https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ but with the v4l-dvb category... |
| [05:29:45] | knightr: | Only possible problem though is that supports for it in Fedora 14 is a backport, that driver is not supposed to be that version of the kernel... |
| [05:33:12] | knightr: | good night everybody, time to go to sleep for me... |
| [05:34:50] | clgshaft: | oh |
| [05:34:52] | clgshaft: | grea |
| [05:34:54] | clgshaft: | great |
| [05:34:59] | clgshaft: | ill do this tomorrow |
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| [05:42:45] | ** iamlindoro found kormoc's profile... ** | |
| [05:42:51] | iamlindoro: | The one he just submitted ;) |
| [05:43:46] | kormoc: | You're refreshing that recent page non stop arn't ya? ;) |
| [05:44:06] | iamlindoro: | nah, just coincidental timing |
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| [05:44:55] | ** sphery thinks kormoc has a stalker ** | |
| [05:45:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, so I had to run the setProfile as root for it to talk to hal |
| [05:45:41] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i was running it as root |
| [05:46:28] | kormoc: | weird |
| [05:46:47] | kormoc: | I had to start dbus and hal in that order too, I started hal first and then dbus and bad things happened (tm)(r) |
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| [05:47:57] | clgshaft: | What is video frame buffering to many times? |
| [05:48:30] | [R]: | clgshaft: what? |
| [05:49:08] | clgshaft: | Watching live tv crashes and mythtv displays that error |
| [05:49:11] | sphery: | wow, MS is "releasing expired gamertags back to the community" and allowing people to change their gamertags--but they're charging $10 for the privilege |
| [05:49:51] | [R]: | clgshaft: "crashes"? |
| [05:50:01] | [R]: | sphery: how nice of them |
| [05:50:19] | clgshaft: | Stops playing, freezes |
| [05:50:42] | [R]: | clgshaft: do recordings work? |
| [05:50:48] | clgshaft: | Exits and dip lays that |
| [05:51:01] | clgshaft: | I am watching a recording |
| [05:51:09] | [R]: | so its just livetv? |
| [05:51:17] | clgshaft: | Yes |
| [05:51:24] | [R]: | what version are you using, what is your truner |
| [05:51:26] | [R]: | tuner* |
| [05:51:31] | clgshaft: | 2250 |
| [05:51:51] | clgshaft: | 0.24+fixes |
| [05:52:17] | [R]: | what does your backend and frontend log look like when you see the problem |
| [05:52:28] | clgshaft: | Nothing |
| [05:53:24] | [R]: | thers NOTHING in the log? |
| [05:53:28] | [R]: | thats highly unlikely |
| [05:54:00] | clgshaft: | Errors about mpg's |
| [05:54:46] | clgshaft: | Program info errors |
| [05:54:54] | [R]: | i dindt ask you to interpet |
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| [05:56:33] | clgshaft: | 2011-03–02 22:50:34.955 ProgramInfo(1041_20110210210000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1041_20110210210000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. |
| [05:57:01] | [R]: | i said the log |
| [05:57:04] | [R]: | not 1 line from the log |
| [05:57:13] | clgshaft: | ok |
| [05:59:05] | clgshaft: | http://pastebin.com/FdDKbnKN |
| [06:01:31] | [R]: | and the frontend... |
| [06:02:40] | clgshaft: | where would that log be? |
| [06:02:48] | [R]: | wherever you told it to log |
| [06:03:26] | clgshaft: | i dont think i ever did |
| [06:03:42] | clgshaft: | i just have backend logs |
| [06:04:01] | [R]: | well then restart the frontend and tell it to log |
| [06:06:23] | clgshaft: | im not sure where to tell it to log, i will look it up |
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| [07:35:23] | Beirdo: | hhaahah |
| [07:35:45] | Beirdo: | some tard on craigslist... says that he has a carbon monoxide tank to sell. |
| [07:36:07] | Beirdo: | but of course, it clearly says "carbon dioxide" on it |
| [07:36:25] | justinh: | is the 'tard' part superfluous though? considering the subject? ;-) |
| [07:36:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:36:57] | Beirdo: | true nuff |
| [07:37:15] | Beirdo: | hey, I did just get a nice old fridge off craigslist |
| [07:37:27] | justinh: | oh man, this is the 3rd email a guy has sent the info@website address in as many days. For pete's sakes you'll get a reply when you get a reply, doofus! |
| [07:37:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know, some people like to store poisonous gasses |
| [07:38:02] | justinh: | I think I might start cataloging all the numpty emails to a blog page |
| [07:38:44] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: it's very clearly CO2 though |
| [07:38:49] | Beirdo: | way larger than I want |
| [07:38:55] | justinh: | you get a website for a dog training club, detail course days, times, tell them it costs XX to join & each class is YY... and people STILL email to ask when/where/how much. I'm getting tired of it |
| [07:38:59] | wagnerrp: | he could be storing CO in it |
| [07:39:02] | Beirdo: | 4.5" ft high tank |
| [07:39:12] | Beirdo: | nobody sells CO |
| [07:39:15] | justinh: | why the heck would anybody want to store CO ? |
| [07:39:24] | wagnerrp: | justinh: to poison people, of course |
| [07:39:34] | justinh: | heh there is that I suppose |
| [07:39:37] | Beirdo: | he had an O2 tank and a CO2 tank |
| [07:39:53] | Beirdo: | 50lb or 75lb, not sure which |
| [07:39:57] | Beirdo: | BIG ones |
| [07:40:09] | justinh: | seriously though, what is it with people who can't or won't read basic info from webpages? Did I not make the navigation simple enough or something? Pfft |
| [07:40:17] | wagnerrp: | well you would only have to get it recharged every other week |
| [07:40:19] | Beirdo: | if it were in Seattle, I'd buy it anyways, likely. |
| [07:40:38] | justinh: | some people just can't be without a big pressure vessel lying around eh ;-) |
| [07:40:43] | Beirdo: | and then when I trade it in for a refill, get a much smaller one |
| [07:40:53] | Beirdo: | but the tard's in Olympia |
| [07:40:57] | Beirdo: | so forget that |
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| [07:41:31] | Beirdo: | if he really wants to just get rid of them, he just needs to call the nearest welding supply shop, and they'd be happy to take them. |
| [07:41:39] | justinh: | jees now one of the CAD guys has handed his notice in here, and a girl from HR leaves tomorrow. Rapidly losing count here |
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| [07:43:32] | justinh: | btw this dog website thing – been doing the admin for them for free, like I said I would cos it's no trouble – but at the AGM last week they were gonna present me with a voucher as a way of thanks. I was given it last night when I took my dog to a class. It's for £10. I was much happier before I was given that. Sheesh |
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| [07:44:48] | Beirdo: | heheheeh |
| [07:44:58] | Beirdo: | jerks |
| [07:45:10] | Beirdo: | shoulda given you free training for any dogs you own |
| [07:45:15] | Shadow__X: | justinh: yeah I feel ya |
| [07:45:34] | justinh: | I know they said "it's not much" just for ... sakes |
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| [07:46:44] | justinh: | never mind – they've conveniently forgot they agreed to move hosts when the 1st outfit I tried (one.com) were putting the site offline every other day for hours at a time |
| [07:47:32] | justinh: | that's up for renewal in May, then they'll be getting a bill – which I'll remind them they were made fully aware would happen |
| [07:48:09] | justinh: | £10 for 2 years' LAMP hosting & domain name registration.. there *had* to be a catch |
| [07:49:47] | justinh: | probably still gone too far the other way now.. it's doing less than 1GB per mo |
| [07:50:02] | Beirdo: | 1982 Mercedes Bens 300D.Diesel. Complete car. No engine or Transmission.. |
| [07:50:08] | justinh: | LOL |
| [07:50:15] | Beirdo: | tell me... how the hell does that make sense? |
| [07:50:17] | wagnerrp: | so... not a diesel |
| [07:50:26] | justinh: | they ommitted the word 'CHASSIS' |
| [07:50:34] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:50:37] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [07:50:41] | Beirdo: | $300 though |
| [07:50:51] | wagnerrp: | full interior |
| [07:50:51] | Beirdo: | make a nice lawn ornament for a redneck |
| [07:50:57] | wagnerrp: | am/fm radio |
| [07:50:59] | justinh: | maybe they have a separate listing for the missing bits |
| [07:51:33] | Beirdo: | oh, and that came up on a search for "beer" |
| [07:51:47] | justinh: | Beer / Bens... same diff |
| [07:52:01] | Beirdo: | as the tard added "beer" to the list of keywords at the end |
| [07:52:37] | justinh: | gah, I'm sick of this host locking FTP |
| [07:53:40] | Beirdo: | "please don't email". |
| [07:53:55] | Beirdo: | idiots. I swear... the internet is full of idiots. |
| [07:54:06] | justinh: | the world is full of idiots |
| [07:54:18] | justinh: | the internet is just a big magnifying lens |
| [07:54:54] | Beirdo: | I was thinking more like a big canyon, and the idiots can't climb out |
| [07:55:07] | justinh: | hahaha top seach result that takes people to my site.... is the URL |
| [07:55:15] | justinh: | </headdesk> |
| [07:55:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:55:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, well if you knew how many people searched for google.com, you would shoot yourself |
| [07:56:13] | Beirdo: | CO2 tank... $120 OBO |
| [07:56:21] | Beirdo: | ummm, new, filled... $111 |
| [07:56:22] | wagnerrp: | $20, best i can do |
| [07:56:29] | Beirdo: | for a 10lb tank |
| [07:56:46] | Beirdo: | yeah, really |
| [07:56:54] | justinh: | whoah. Firefox isn't even in the top 10 user agents |
| [07:57:00] | Beirdo: | he doesn't say what size, and not in Seattle proper |
| [07:57:01] | justinh: | this is the kind of people I'm dealing with is it? |
| [07:57:17] | wagnerrp: | hes in the boondocks? |
| [07:57:47] | justinh: | Mac Safari is the 2nd most popular browser going onto my site? Oh man. I give up |
| [07:58:01] | justinh: | Safari, in 2nd place to IE8.0. sob |
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| [08:01:54] | wagnerrp: | better ie8 than ie6 |
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| [08:02:36] | justinh: | I've not even used IE AFAIK |
| [08:02:43] | justinh: | not for a long, long time |
| [08:03:09] | justinh: | not knowingly.. I mean there are no doubt sales terminals & ATMs basing their whole UI on it... |
| [08:05:51] | justinh: | oh ffs. Culture Secretary has approved Murdo Co. buying the remaining parts of BSKYB they didn't already own |
| [08:06:30] | justinh: | so now, the ONLY satellite broadcasting company in the UK is going to be wholly owned by News Corp. :-\ |
| [08:06:53] | justinh: | and the UK gov. doesn't seem to think this is a *bad* thing. Sigh |
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| [08:33:53] | wagnerrp: | jams: just put up a profile using the version from git |
| [08:34:02] | wagnerrp: | http://smolt.mythtv.org/client/show_all/pub_3 . . . f01380d0a993 |
| [08:34:22] | wagnerrp: | thats with the urlgrabber and simplejson dependencies removed, and USB devices (partially) added |
| [08:35:37] | wagnerrp: | theres still a lot more urlopen calls i want to roll into the one request manager |
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| [09:15:50] | mycosys: | !seen superm1 |
| [09:15:50] | MythLogBot: | superm1 was last seen 55 days 15 hours 21 minutes 52 seconds ago |
| [09:15:57] | mycosys: | :( |
| [09:16:13] | ** mycosys wonders why he is gone ** | |
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| [09:20:06] | justinh: | try in the ubuntu-ish channel |
| [09:21:01] | justinh: | I say, maybe he got tired of supporting users :P |
| [09:21:05] | justinh: | it happens |
| [09:21:39] | mycosys: | given i have been doin it for 20 years i prolly have some idea of that :P |
| [09:23:12] | justinh: | bully for you. I'd love to have the willpower to never return here, but I'm like a moth to a flame in that regard |
| [09:23:50] | mycosys: | again, know the feeling well |
| [09:24:12] | mycosys: | some weird perverted sence of obligation to do the 'right thing' |
| [09:24:27] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:24:50] | mycosys: | even when it seems you spend near as much time arguing nonsense and wanting to kill some1, and then take it out on the next person |
| [09:26:57] | justinh: | if death over IP is ever integrated into my IRC client I fear for ubuntu mythtv users' safety |
| [09:30:59] | mycosys: | roflmao |
| [09:31:35] | mycosys: | sometimes i lament that the channels i op dont get many newbs anymore, sometimes it is a major blessing to chill an chat more |
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| [09:54:38] | justinh: | I've tried installing mythtv on ubuntu from packages a few times, just to see how hard it is to mess up. It's *very* hard to mess it up |
| [09:55:16] | justinh: | if you get it wrong once though – simply by not paying attention to the installation screens, you're doomed to a fail loop til you come here to get help with the db connection problems |
| [09:55:18] | FabriceMG: | Beirdo: Easy or hard to add Episod and Season in ProgramInfo class? |
| [09:58:41] | hashbang: | morning all! |
| [09:58:48] | mycosys: | justinh – i cant understand how you would mess it up |
| [09:58:54] | mycosys: | binbash |
| [10:02:57] | justinh: | mycosys: easy peasy. the first time I tried was an utter success, so I thought it'd be a better 'newb' indicator to just blindly hit return on a total fresh install instead of reading the onscreen messages & prompts. needless to say, it was an irrevokable failure |
| [10:03:04] | justinh: | hashbang: morning |
| [10:03:42] | mycosys: | windows users ftl |
| [10:03:56] | mycosys: | i HATE the just click ok brigade |
| [10:04:03] | justinh: | bah, even with ubuntu you can get blase about it |
| [10:04:14] | mycosys: | makes SO much work for techs |
| [10:04:16] | justinh: | 'this will use 2k of disk space. Are you sure?' |
| [10:04:36] | mycosys: | this will remove half the packages you want, are you sure |
| [10:04:37] | justinh: | YES. YES YES. YES!!!!!!!! ARGHHH |
| [10:05:11] | justinh: | you should either have to type a proper response like a captcha or else it should just go do it anyway |
| [10:05:13] | mycosys: | i refuse to do anythign until you fix the incorrect dep you manually installed using dpkg |
| [10:05:43] | justinh: | or that |
| [10:06:07] | mycosys: | is almost windows worthy when the package management system plays that game |
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| [10:27:13] | justinh: | Re: User upgrading without reading the release notes causes WAF to plummet |
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| [11:06:04] | AndyCap: | justinh: forcing people to type more doesn't improve their will to think things through |
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| [12:45:52] | justinh: | disappointed nobody else chimed in with the BIOS typo spot on the -users ML thread |
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| [14:19:28] | Locutus_of_Borg: | If I were to copy a folder of my videos to the mythtv video directory, the folder hierarchy would be preserved in MythTV itself, would it not? If I had copied a folder that consisted of "Example videos -> Example folder 1 -> Test folder 1 -> Video 1", I would be able to access that in MythTV by going to "Media library -> Watch videos -> Example videos -> ,,, -> Video 1", correct? |
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| [14:25:04] | justinh: | that depends very much on which view you're looking at |
| [14:25:25] | justinh: | and whether 'flat' mode is enabled or not |
| [14:26:17] | Locutus_of_Borg: | flat mode? |
| [14:28:21] | justinh: | yes. a flattened view which gets you a list of all files found as er.. one big list |
| [14:29:35] | Locutus_of_Borg: | Regardless of what folders it is in, it just lists everything right there? |
| [14:29:43] | Locutus_of_Borg: | Yeah, that's exactly what I don't wan |
| [14:29:44] | Locutus_of_Borg: | t |
| [14:30:07] | justinh: | anyway, generally you get exactly what you'd expect |
| [14:30:13] | justinh: | i.e. folder appear as folders |
| [14:30:34] | justinh: | and you can go down into each folder, and back up to the root of the storagegroups |
| [14:30:54] | Locutus_of_Borg: | That's the flat view? |
| [14:30:58] | justinh: | no |
| [14:31:04] | Locutus_of_Borg: | ah |
| [14:31:05] | Locutus_of_Borg: | ok |
| [14:31:14] | justinh: | the flat view is where all the files mythvideo finds are presented as one list |
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| [14:31:26] | Locutus_of_Borg: | Ok. |
| [14:32:07] | justinh: | so. can I be assimilated now? |
| [14:32:50] | Locutus_of_Borg: | Resistance is futile |
| [14:33:21] | justinh: | here's me thinking resistance was the reciprocal of conductance |
| [14:35:00] | Locutus_of_Borg: | Also, can I connect a frontend to a backend using a crossover cable? |
| [14:38:05] | cesman: | yes |
| [14:41:14] | JEDIDIAH___: | Yes locutus. It is possible with MythVideo to preserve the folder structure you have your content stored in. |
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| [14:53:12] | jams: | how does one completely disable the fade in/out when using the opengl painter? |
| [14:53:51] | justinh: | jams: apparently one does not |
| [14:53:59] | jams: | that sucks |
| [14:54:18] | justinh: | unfortunately, because nobody has yet abstracted the transition code.. or something along those lines |
| [14:54:18] | jams: | guess I will have to stick with QT and modify the startup command |
| [14:55:12] | jams: | the fade has a tendency to induce motion sickness |
| [14:55:29] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind being able to do away with the transitions altogether. My intel-based frontend really blows |
| [14:56:24] | justinh: | I've seen an athlon 800 with nvidia geforce4 totally trounce this core2 duo frontend |
| [14:56:35] | justinh: | in terms of how smooth the menu transitions are |
| [14:57:02] | jams: | i could see that |
| [14:57:15] | justinh: | how the heck a modern GPU like that could be so awful at GL escapes me |
| [14:57:32] | justinh: | did they just phone it in or something? |
| [14:57:48] | justinh: | it seems to vary too, which is annoying |
| [14:58:02] | justinh: | like you see mythfrontend load & the fade is smooth. go to media library.. smooth again |
| [14:58:10] | justinh: | go into watch recordings... juddery. blech |
| [14:58:23] | justinh: | and sometimes it's smooth there. etc |
| [14:59:09] | jams: | it was cool for about 2 secs then I was over it. |
| [14:59:34] | justinh: | on my old via box it's cool for about 10 secs. that's about how long the fade takes |
| [15:00:23] | jams: | heh |
| [15:00:31] | jams: | via is a joke |
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| [15:01:04] | justinh: | it's not as if the gl painter is redrawing that much, even redoing the whole screen |
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| [15:01:23] | justinh: | nothing as complex as a game :) |
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| [15:03:42] | justinh: | when I'm doing HDTV with a nice spanky new nvidia card, bring it all on, baby! |
| [15:04:00] | justinh: | & I know to never buy a laptop with intel video ever again. |
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| [15:09:37] | justinh: | hmm. looks like I need to start playing with microcontrollers |
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| [15:58:14] | sphery: | heh, on tgm4883's "do you get 0-byte files" thread on mythbuntu forums, we got a reply from someone using mythtv-backend 0.21.0+fixes21768 on Ubuntu 9.04. |
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| [16:48:04] | rsalveti: | markk_: saw that you implemented the opengles support for mythtv, did you tested that already with libqt4-opengl also built with gles? |
| [16:48:43] | rsalveti: | asking as it'd be good to have that on ubuntu, as we got the pvr drivers for omap 3 and omap 4 |
| [16:49:32] | rsalveti: | problem is that we're currently using fixes-0.24, with none of your gles patches |
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| [17:06:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you staying out of this latest Atom discussion on the ML? |
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| [17:12:57] | sphery: | heh, you mean the "My old tower computer is too big, and I hear Atom-based systems are the best" thread? |
| [17:13:05] | sphery: | if so, yeah |
| [17:13:17] | wagnerrp: | yep, that one |
| [17:13:38] | sphery: | I have been watching for a reply from you, though--since I enjoy reading those |
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| [17:18:20] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if this page needs a bit more information about why you should have a meaty processor... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware |
| [17:18:36] | wagnerrp: | maybe just a warning box above hardware playback |
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| [17:25:40] | trumee: | rsalveti: mythtv works with opengles? |
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| [17:26:19] | sphery: | trumee: no, but it will when markk is done |
| [17:26:34] | trumee: | sphery: ah. nice |
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| [17:27:08] | ** trumee dreams of running MythTV on Nokia N900 ** | |
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| [17:28:34] | wagnerrp: | trumee: trunk does, yes |
| [17:28:35] | rsalveti: | trumee: not sure yet, just saw some commits about it |
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| [17:29:06] | trumee: | wagnerrp: will trunk upgrade the database of myth-0.24? |
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| [17:29:29] | wagnerrp: | it always does |
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| [17:30:03] | wagnerrp: | and it cannot be recovered without restoring from the backup |
| [17:30:10] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ah, ok. will have to build it seperately to test then |
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| [18:07:21] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo or xris around? |
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| [18:11:04] | Beirdo: | maybe :) |
| [18:11:48] | wagnerrp: | got a git question |
| [18:12:14] | wagnerrp: | i committed something on another machine where i didnt have my account information set up |
| [18:12:24] | Beirdo: | heh, OK |
| [18:12:26] | wagnerrp: | how do i change the author information on the commit |
| [18:12:32] | Beirdo: | did you push it yet? |
| [18:12:39] | wagnerrp: | cant push, no rights |
| [18:12:42] | wagnerrp: | this is smolt stuff |
| [18:12:42] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [18:12:49] | wagnerrp: | not mythtv |
| [18:12:50] | Beirdo: | perfect them :) |
| [18:12:53] | Beirdo: | then, rather |
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| [18:13:10] | wagnerrp: | and i cant use 'commit --amend', since there were multiple |
| [18:13:15] | Beirdo: | git commit --amend --author="Full Username <email@host." |
| [18:13:15] | wagnerrp: | and that only works on the latest |
| [18:13:22] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [18:13:33] | wagnerrp: | i do read some... :) |
| [18:13:36] | Beirdo: | well, then the other way, which can be fun... |
| [18:13:49] | Beirdo: | git rebase -i origin/master |
| [18:14:04] | Beirdo: | which brings up a list of all changesets since the pull |
| [18:14:24] | Beirdo: | and then tell it you want to edit each one rather than pick (I think it is) |
| [18:14:45] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [18:15:03] | Beirdo: | what it will do is stop just before the commit for each changeset |
| [18:15:26] | Beirdo: | and you can then commit it with --author |
| [18:15:36] | Beirdo: | for each commit. Make sense |
| [18:15:37] | Beirdo: | ? |
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| [18:17:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that did it |
| [18:17:43] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [18:18:06] | wagnerrp: | now how do i send these to jams.... |
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| [18:18:35] | Beirdo: | git format-patch origin/master |
| [18:18:39] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:18:56] | Beirdo: | it will give you a series of patch files that he can easily put in |
| [18:18:59] | wagnerrp: | fantastic |
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| [18:19:43] | Beirdo: | OMG, coffee is yummy |
| [18:20:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, so I tried to get smolt working on OS X and it doesn't seem doable |
| [18:20:13] | kormoc: | (least myth's version) |
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| [18:21:59] | wagnerrp: | been busy removing external dependencies |
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| [18:22:47] | Beirdo: | be back in a few |
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| [18:22:54] | wagnerrp: | looks like ive no choice but email to jams |
| [18:22:55] | wagnerrp: | they only allow trac ticket creation by users with accounts |
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| [18:23:33] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yeah, its going to be linux-only for now |
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| [18:23:49] | wagnerrp: | the new changes make it run off sysfs instead of dbus/hal |
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| [18:24:01] | iamlindoro: | sweet |
| [18:24:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Thanks for taking the lead on the script side |
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| [18:24:17] | iamlindoro: | !trout freenode |
| [18:24:17] | ** MythLogBot slaps freenode with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [18:24:21] | wagnerrp: | (technically, the sysfs stuff wasnt mine) |
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| [18:24:41] | wagnerrp: | someone else wrote that up, were just running an old version of the client |
| [18:24:47] | iamlindoro: | ahh |
| [18:24:57] | iamlindoro: | still, the fewer script deps, the better |
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| [18:27:18] | wagnerrp: | right now, i dont believe there are any external dependencies in the client |
| [18:28:44] | wagnerrp: | well there are assorted dependencies, but theyre in auxiliary code that should be called |
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| [18:32:28] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [18:32:38] | Beirdo: | work box now has 8G rather than 2G |
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| [18:50:57] | Dracos-Carazza: | hi guys, does some have a BA63 based VFD on its mythtv client? I have always a bar in the second row of my VFD |
| [18:51:48] | Dracos-Carazza: | it should only display the information of the TV channel |
| [18:52:24] | Dracos-Carazza: | the VFD has 2 rows and 20 characters per row |
| [18:55:02] | Dracos-Carazza: | is there a way to configure the mythlcdserver without the GUI? |
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| [19:05:53] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you gonna get a kegerator? :) |
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| [19:18:37] | kormoc: | Beirdo, negative. No room |
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| [19:18:53] | kormoc: | and besides, my fridge is empty anyway, I can fit enough beer in there |
| [19:19:01] | Beirdo: | hehe, good points. |
| [19:19:02] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:19:18] | wagnerrp: | who needs solid food, weve got liquid bread |
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| [19:19:35] | Beirdo: | http://cgi.ebay.com/YUENGLING-TRADITIONAL-LAG . . . 160553603644 |
| [19:19:41] | Beirdo: | I saw that and thought of you :) |
| [19:19:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:20:04] | Beirdo: | be even better if the beer matched the tap, of course |
| [19:20:22] | kormoc: | Mmm.... Yuengling... |
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| [19:30:52] | Vojta1: | Hi, I have just a short question: I'm about to buy t-mobile decoding card for my sat in Czech Republic. They are using Irdeto PI-sys decoding. Will this work with Mythtv? Or should I rather look for a different provider with Cryptoworks coding? Is there any difference in functionality between these decoding systems? |
| [19:33:22] | sphery: | Vojta1: MythTV only supports unencrypted data. If you have a tuner that has a built-in hardware CAM that provides decrypted data to MythTV, it will work fine. |
| [19:33:46] | sphery: | Vojta1: see, also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:DVB |
| [19:34:12] | sphery: | and, perhaps, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [19:35:05] | sphery: | and, probably, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S |
| [19:38:06] | Vojta1: | I'm gonna use Smartmouse Card Reader, I just recently read some experiences with user who uses it with Cryptoworks decoding card. The question is if it is the same with other decoding systems (irdeto). sorry if this is not good place to ask about it (?) |
| [19:39:10] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support card readers |
| [19:39:17] | wagnerrp: | only hardware CAMs built directly into tuner cards |
| [19:39:19] | sphery: | I'm not sure what that all means. If you're trying to do some kind of software decryption thing (softcam or whatever), it's a very bad place to ask about it, since it's against the channel rules. |
| [19:39:25] | wagnerrp: | the tuner card must output unencrypted video directly |
| [19:40:08] | Vojta1: | ok thanks a lot for your answers |
| [19:40:23] | sphery: | the pages I linked show you how you can get your TV |
| [19:40:47] | Vojta1: | sphery, I'll check it, thanks |
| [19:40:48] | sphery: | whether using a hardware CAM or, if not available, using a set-top-box and analog encoding |
| [19:41:00] | sphery: | definitely worth a read, though |
| [19:44:03] | FabriceMG: | question, what is the table of xmltv in mythvonverg? |
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| [19:59:20] | sphery: | FabriceMG: table of xmltv? |
| [20:00:05] | FabriceMG: | store xmltv |
| [20:00:14] | FabriceMG: | program table? |
| [20:00:42] | FabriceMG: | for make one purge of xmltv |
| [20:02:49] | sphery: | program has listings data, as provided by the grabber (xmltv or Schedules Direct) |
| [20:02:57] | sphery: | what specifically are you trying to do? |
| [20:04:26] | FabriceMG: | 1 guys have 1 probleme with some day in database with 1 new grabber script for french tv |
| [20:05:34] | FabriceMG: | solution , purge + mythfilldatabase |
| [20:05:40] | FabriceMG: | yes, no? |
| [20:05:54] | sphery: | mythfilldatabase --refresh-today --refresh-all should also do the same |
| [20:06:15] | FabriceMG: | ok, thx |
| [20:06:17] | sphery: | you could truncate program, but you'll leave additional program-related information in other tables |
| [20:06:40] | sphery: | it will eventually be cleaned up, but mfdb should do the right thing if you force a complete refresh, as above |
| [20:06:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you mean mythtvosd? |
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| [20:07:20] | sphery: | heh, probably |
| [20:07:26] | sphery: | did I say mythuiosd? |
| [20:08:05] | sphery: | I should go back to my coding |
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| [20:08:14] | sphery: | since I'm messing up names, now |
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| [20:20:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i had to end it |
| [20:21:53] | sphery: | end which? |
| [20:22:02] | wagnerrp: | ion thread |
| [20:22:39] | sphery: | ah, I haven't gotten the e-mail yet |
| [20:22:47] | sphery: | looking forward to it |
| [20:23:02] | wagnerrp: | odd, i havent either |
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| [20:23:43] | sphery: | I finally got a new keyboard and mouse for this system... can't wait 'til monday |
| [20:24:01] | wagnerrp: | not in pipermail either |
| [20:24:18] | sphery: | only down side will be learning a new keyboard layout |
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| [20:25:22] | grumpytravel: | hmm... when i ask the recorded programs page in mythweb, i get a while blank page |
| [20:25:41] | grumpytravel: | when i manage to make a selection, i get the info |
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| [20:25:49] | grumpytravel: | is the page to big for the browser?? |
| [20:28:22] | sphery: | manage to make a selection? |
| [20:29:54] | sphery: | I have 1407 recordings on my recorded programs page, so it seems it can handle quite a few--I'm doubting the page is too big for the browser. |
| [20:30:18] | sphery: | unless, maybe, it's a browser on a resource-constrained mobile device |
| [20:30:36] | sphery: | might also need to verify your PHP has enough memory (check apache logs) |
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| [20:37:00] | grumpytravel: | checking on the last now... konqeror complains about internal error on the master backend |
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| [20:41:12] | grumpytravel: | memory exhausted indeed. enlarging allowed memory... |
| [20:41:15] | grumpytravel: | thanks |
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| [20:47:55] | grumpytravel: | and works again |
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| [20:51:57] | sphery: | cool |
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| [21:04:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: email still didnt go through... |
| [21:04:43] | ** Beirdo headdesks ** | |
| [21:21:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: sure you sent it to the list? having SMTP issues or something? |
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| [21:28:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: mail works just fine |
| [21:28:15] | wagnerrp: | just nothing i send to the list is going through |
| [21:29:20] | wagnerrp: | and im not getting failed messages |
| [21:29:31] | Beirdo: | to which list? |
| [21:29:36] | wagnerrp: | -users |
| [21:29:45] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [21:29:49] | wagnerrp: | seems nothing has gone through since tuesday |
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| [21:30:41] | wagnerrp: | no, i sent one this morning that went through |
| [21:30:45] | wagnerrp: | dont know whats going on |
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| [21:32:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: last message I got from you on -users list was: Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 20:55:11 -0500 |
| [21:32:31] | Beirdo: | I see one here at 4:23:05 GMT |
| [21:32:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the guy wanting to make a video wall for work |
| [21:33:00] | wagnerrp: | that was the last one i sent that went through |
| [21:33:06] | Beirdo: | that's the last one I see taht was to that list |
| [21:33:20] | Beirdo: | what does your maillog hav to say? |
| [21:33:23] | wagnerrp: | well then where have these things been going |
| [21:33:31] | Beirdo: | I'm looking at the logs on the server. |
| [21:33:41] | wagnerrp: | i use my ISP's server for SMTP |
| [21:34:01] | Beirdo: | Mar 3 04:23:05 mythtv postfix/smtpd[10719]: 01CB1AE8DE2: client=mail-out1.fuse. |
| [21:34:04] | Beirdo: | net[216.68.8.170] |
| [21:34:08] | wagnerrp: | but its obviously doing something, since emails to the developer list are going through |
| [21:34:12] | Beirdo: | OK, let me look for that. |
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| [21:34:14] | Beirdo: | yes, they are |
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| [21:37:03] | sphery: | ah, yeah, had thread sort on so the last wasn't the last... the real last was: Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:23:04 -0500 |
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| [21:41:26] | Beirdo: | I would think it's your ISP |
| [21:41:38] | wagnerrp: | but why? |
| [21:41:44] | Beirdo: | if your logs show it getting there, and the server's logs don't see it arrive... |
| [21:41:58] | Beirdo: | because they are retarded? I dunno |
| [21:42:00] | wagnerrp: | why only that |
| [21:42:07] | wagnerrp: | i mean why does everything else work |
| [21:42:15] | sphery: | maybe it's Dean Collins' revenge |
| [21:42:17] | Beirdo: | maybe someone got them to black-list that list? |
| [21:42:25] | sphery: | for when you had him banned |
| [21:42:34] | sphery: | for sending what appeared to be spam |
| [21:43:14] | Beirdo: | you have any log entries for after 8:23:05am Eastern? |
| [21:43:43] | wagnerrp: | nope, sent nothing at that time |
| [21:44:11] | Beirdo: | ?! |
| [21:44:36] | Beirdo: | Mar 3 04:23:05 mythtv postfix/qmgr[5800]: 01CB1AE8DE2: from=<raymond@w |
| [21:44:44] | Beirdo: | and that's GMT |
| [21:44:52] | wagnerrp: | so 9:23 |
| [21:44:53] | Beirdo: | oh, subtract... hehe |
| [21:45:01] | wagnerrp: | or 23:23 |
| [21:45:23] | Beirdo: | correct. I added instead of subtracted, sorry |
| [21:45:36] | Beirdo: | and it's -5 right now, not -4. |
| [21:45:42] | ** Beirdo headdesks again ** | |
| [21:45:53] | Beirdo: | you have any logs for sending to -users after that time? |
| [21:46:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive been trying to respond to this 'frontend, what works' thread |
| [21:47:09] | wagnerrp: | i need to get my own SMTP running so i can get it blacklisted |
| [21:47:41] | Beirdo: | oh, you are just hitting :25 on their server from the mail client? Not running postfix locally? |
| [21:47:52] | wagnerrp: | i am running it locally |
| [21:47:58] | wagnerrp: | but i never managed to get it configured for outbound |
| [21:48:11] | wagnerrp: | postfix for inbound only |
| [21:48:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:48:24] | Beirdo: | OK, I getcha |
| [21:57:21] | wagnerrp: | well theres the problem, the smtpd authentication is trying to authenticate my account @mail.wagnerrp.com, rather than @wagnerrp.com |
| [21:57:40] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [21:57:46] | Beirdo: | but only for that one list? |
| [21:57:56] | wagnerrp: | no, thats why my outbound smtp never worked |
| [21:58:06] | Beirdo: | ahh |
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| [21:59:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, it would be a lot easier to debug if you have logs saying it left your box at X time, etc. then we can see it leave your system, and not come out the other end... then you can use that as ammo to slap around your ISP |
| [21:59:46] | wagnerrp: | and people keep CCing mail to me |
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| [21:59:58] | wagnerrp: | like the ISP's outbound server is tacking that on automatically |
| [22:00:07] | wagnerrp: | started happening a couple weeks ago |
| [22:00:10] | wagnerrp: | really irritating |
| [22:00:11] | Beirdo: | odd |
| [22:00:48] | wagnerrp: | for instance kormoc, im not getting these responses through the mailing list |
| [22:00:51] | wagnerrp: | only directly from ccing |
| [22:01:10] | kormoc: | weird |
| [22:01:39] | Beirdo: | your ISP may be blackholing it somehow. But your messages to other lists still work |
| [22:01:50] | Beirdo: | wonder what they are up to |
| [22:02:19] | kormoc: | They hate Myth |
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| [22:06:21] | sphery: | they think wagnerrp is just another Mythhead running a Mythlab in his house |
| [22:07:41] | iamlindoro: | hahahahaha |
| [22:07:51] | iamlindoro: | best bastardization of the word ever |
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| [22:10:12] | sphery: | also the name of the 2 plugins I'm working on |
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| [22:39:14] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: looks like im already blacklisted (or perhaps not whitelisted) |
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| [22:40:37] | wagnerrp: | seemingly from everywhere |
| [22:40:46] | wagnerrp: | not even mail to my mythtv.org account goes through |
| [22:44:49] | Beirdo: | idiots |
| [22:45:54] | wagnerrp: | you just use your linode system as your outbound smtp? or do they provide relay services? |
| [22:47:03] | Beirdo: | I set it up for outbound, but so far I use gmail for the mailing lists |
| [22:47:40] | Beirdo: | you should raise some hell with your ISP |
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| [22:58:31] | Beirdo: | hmmm, I need to find a copy of that song. |
| [22:59:49] | Beirdo: | Canadian music from the 80s |
| [23:00:16] | Wicked: | hmm. anyone know how i can find out what drive is what from ata output from dmesg? a hard drive is having issues and i see errors in the dmesg..but its like |
| [23:00:17] | Wicked: | [171742.918375] ata5.00: configured for UDMA/133 |
| [23:00:17] | Wicked: | [171742.918387] ata5: EH complete |
| [23:00:32] | Wicked: | id like to find out what actual /dev/sdX that is |
| [23:00:42] | Beirdo: | use dmesg |
| [23:00:58] | Beirdo: | search for ata5 during the bootup |
| [23:01:04] | Wicked: | i dont really see where it says waht is what |
| [23:01:04] | Wicked: | yea |
| [23:01:11] | Wicked: | dmesg|grep -i ata5 |
| [23:01:15] | Wicked: | doesnt really say |
| [23:01:20] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [23:01:24] | Beirdo: | dmesg | less |
| [23:01:32] | Beirdo: | search for ata5 with /ata5 |
| [23:01:39] | Beirdo: | and then look around that :) |
| [23:01:58] | Wicked: | yea. i still dont understand how to map that to /dev/sdX |
| [23:02:21] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/hBSKZTMm |
| [23:02:33] | Beirdo: | OMG, this was 1978 music. |
| [23:02:57] | sphery: | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| [23:03:00] | sphery: | stupid github |
| [23:03:16] | Beirdo: | then after that it will go through and apply sda-x in order. Look for the 500G one |
| [23:03:33] | Wicked: | i have more then 1 500gig drive |
| [23:03:45] | Beirdo: | or. |
| [23:03:53] | Beirdo: | cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| [23:04:03] | Beirdo: | that's the order they got assigned to sd* in |
| [23:04:45] | Wicked: | hmm. i really wish this made more sense. |
| [23:04:57] | wagnerrp: | should i have multiple instances of mythtv version? |
| [23:04:58] | Beirdo: | like IMMEDIATELY ater the lines you pastebinned... what did it say? |
| [23:05:12] | Wicked: | the drive is ata5...but if i cat that...the 5th one is a 1tb drive....when ata5 says its 500gig |
| [23:05:20] | Wicked: | Beirdo, more of the same errors |
| [23:05:30] | Beirdo: | I didn't say the fifth |
| [23:06:30] | Beirdo: | http://pastebin.com/4Xua5T1X |
| [23:06:33] | Beirdo: | for instance |
| [23:06:37] | Beirdo: | that is my frontend box |
| [23:07:08] | Wicked: | i just dont see the correlation between the ataX and sdX |
| [23:07:13] | Beirdo: | you see ata3.0... right after it finishes with ata3.01 (the second drive on that controller) it instantiates the drives |
| [23:07:24] | Beirdo: | the first is on sd 2:0:0:0 |
| [23:07:43] | Beirdo: | ata3.01 -> 2:0:0:0 |
| [23:07:46] | Beirdo: | err |
| [23:07:50] | Beirdo: | ata3.00 |
| [23:07:59] | Beirdo: | ata3.01 -> 2:0:1:0 |
| [23:08:55] | Wicked: | yea. idk. i just dont get it. i cannot make sense of mine. |
| [23:09:21] | Beirdo: | well, good luck then |
| [23:09:43] | Wicked: | :( |
| [23:09:50] | Beirdo: | if you pastebin the section where it's mapping scsi devices, maybe I can help |
| [23:09:59] | Beirdo: | but you stopped JUST before that |
| [23:09:59] | wagnerrp: | like... should i just use the git describe directly? |
| [23:10:22] | wagnerrp: | should i have one field for git describe, and another for the major version? (0.23, 0.24, 0.25)... |
| [23:10:38] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: git describe + branch :) |
| [23:10:51] | Beirdo: | and + binary API version? |
| [23:10:55] | wagnerrp: | if you have the describe, do you need a branch? |
| [23:10:58] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [23:11:13] | wagnerrp: | but shouldnt the tag handle that? |
| [23:11:25] | Beirdo: | depends on the situation |
| [23:11:33] | Beirdo: | the end part of the describe will be unique |
| [23:11:44] | Beirdo: | but say someone's on the ffmpeg-sync branch |
| [23:11:59] | Beirdo: | it will show up as 0.25pre-xxxx-gxxxxxxxx |
| [23:12:00] | wagnerrp: | ah, there wouldnt have been a tag for the start of that branch |
| [23:12:06] | Beirdo: | just the same as on master |
| [23:12:13] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [23:12:22] | Beirdo: | the number of commits can even be the same, but the commit number would be different |
| [23:12:32] | Beirdo: | so it's more clear to give that plus the branch |
| [23:13:01] | Wicked: | im not exactly what part makes sense: http://pastebin.com/WPGCDKsZ |
| [23:13:04] | Beirdo: | you could just pull that info from the version.h |
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| [23:13:27] | wagnerrp: | im thinking i just process the whole --version output |
| [23:13:49] | Beirdo: | Wicked... scsi1 -> pata_atiixp |
| [23:13:54] | Beirdo: | which is ata1, ata2 |
| [23:14:09] | Beirdo: | then scsi2 -> ahci for ata3 |
| [23:14:39] | Beirdo: | scsi3 -> ahci ->ata4, scsi4->ahci->ata5, scsi5->ahci->ata6 |
| [23:15:13] | Wicked: | im not trying to sound like a idiot...but i have no idea what those mean. |
| [23:15:23] | Beirdo: | so you are looking for the disk with reports as sd 5:0:0:0 |
| [23:15:24] | Wicked: | makes no sense to me :| |
| [23:15:28] | Beirdo: | which is sdf |
| [23:15:39] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [23:15:42] | Beirdo: | err |
| [23:15:44] | Beirdo: | wait |
| [23:15:48] | Beirdo: | scsi4 |
| [23:16:01] | Beirdo: | so sd 4:0:0:0 (sorry) -> sde |
| [23:16:10] | Beirdo: | I misread myself there |
| [23:16:26] | Beirdo: | it maps the scsi controller number to the device driver |
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| [23:16:44] | Wicked: | hmm. |
| [23:17:10] | Beirdo: | then shows for each device driver instance the ata* number |
| [23:17:26] | Beirdo: | then loops through each controller and shows all the devices |
| [23:17:36] | Wicked: | Beirdo, thanks alot for helping me with this...i really got confused by this....i just dont understand how it was mapping it. |
| [23:17:39] | Wicked: | its much appreciated |
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| [23:18:16] | Wicked: | i just wish it was not so convoluted |
| [23:18:35] | Beirdo: | and you see immediately after ata5.00: configgured for UDMA/133, it then goes trhough scsi4 (which is the same controller but from a different level) |
| [23:19:14] | Beirdo: | but it does get confusing as it's doing two of them in parallel :) |
| [23:19:27] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:19:54] | Beirdo: | the key line is: [ 1.843167] sd 4:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI disk |
| [23:20:31] | Beirdo: | and above that where it said the size (which mathes the size of the disk on the ata5.00: ATA-7 line |
| [23:21:08] | Wicked: | hmm. |
| [23:23:21] | ** Beirdo buys another LP ** | |
| [23:24:27] | Beirdo: | knowing my luck, I'll see it in the discount bin next time I'm at a record store |
| [23:25:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: were you changing things so that urlgrabber isn't required? |
| [23:25:24] | Beirdo: | and no more hal :) |
| [23:25:34] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:25:35] | sphery: | just wondering if I should install it on all my systems or if it won't be necessary |
| [23:25:48] | wagnerrp: | right now, urlgrabber is still needed for the smolt_mythtv.py stuff |
| [23:25:51] | sphery: | so no need to install it if I can do without python bindings until you've fixed it up? |
| [23:25:53] | wagnerrp: | but thats all going to be replaced |
| [23:26:00] | sphery: | cool |
| [23:26:07] | wagnerrp: | correct, it will not be a future requirement |
| [23:26:18] | wagnerrp: | in fact, there should be no external dependencies to this thing |
| [23:26:38] | wagnerrp: | (aside from it only works on linux) |
| [23:26:42] | Beirdo: | whoever shot this concert footage needs to turn down their audio gain next time |
| [23:26:59] | sphery: | the bindings dependencies check currently includes urlgrabber, so I'll just do without python bindings until it's changed |
| [23:27:01] | Beirdo: | we could make a BSD version, etc though |
| [23:27:03] | Beirdo: | right? |
| [23:27:03] | sphery: | thanks for the info/update |
| [23:27:29] | sphery: | (this is only my dev box, so not a problem doing without python bindings) |
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| [23:31:40] | sphery: | so the -users list feels like the wild west... seems the Sheriff is no longer in town. |
| [23:32:16] | sphery: | no one to keep the Atom outlaws at bay |
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| [23:33:29] | jams: | sphery- what do you think about listing the pub_uuid on the backend status pages. That way it's easy for users to cut/paste in case somebody asks for it? |
| [23:34:53] | sphery: | could be done... or maybe better to just include a mythweb module to give you info + access to the profile page? |
| [23:35:21] | jams: | that would require you to run mythweb |
| [23:36:11] | sphery: | yeah, but would keep an ugly UUID off the backend status page where 99% of the time it's not what the user's looking for :) |
| [23:36:36] | sphery: | s/an ugly UUID/a bunch of ugly UUIDs--one for each host/ |
| [23:37:24] | jams: | so move the "ugly" to mythweb |
| [23:37:37] | sphery: | if it's done so it's not too ugly/obtrusive, it's probably fine on the backend page |
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| [23:40:35] | jams: | avg timeshift might be a good stat |
| [23:40:47] | wagnerrp: | but not one we can provide |
| [23:41:02] | wagnerrp: | theres no record of 'first watch' |
| [23:41:05] | sphery: | avg timeshift is mostly useless |
| [23:41:06] | kormoc: | sphery, meh. They claim atoms are great. They claim you can't trust Seagate Engineers about Seagate drives. Why bother trying to reason with them? |
| [23:41:12] | sphery: | at least for me |
| [23:41:16] | wagnerrp: | or 'last watch', or any watch for that matter |
| [23:41:28] | sphery: | since I watch none of a show, then watch the whole season at once |
| [23:41:49] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, yeah... but was still nice having a Sheriff to remind them occasionally |
| [23:41:56] | sphery: | but since his ISP won't let him back in town... |
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| [23:42:32] | adub: | anyone have any recommendations on hdmi audio with myth |
| [23:42:48] | adub: | for some reason i did not have pulse audio installed i know this is a known issue |
| [23:43:00] | adub: | mythbuntu doesnt install this by default |
| [23:43:13] | kormoc: | adub, yes, it's a good thing that you don't have it |
| [23:43:35] | adub: | kormoc all of a sudden my hdmi sound stopped working only in mythtv |
| [23:43:37] | wagnerrp: | its not so much a known issue, as an intentional design choice |
| [23:43:49] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio has intentionally chosen to not support passthrough audio |
| [23:44:05] | adub: | wagnerrp thanks for the insight bro |
| [23:44:40] | adub: | for some odd reason i keep having a .pulse directory created |
| [23:44:54] | adub: | i did do an apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| [23:45:11] | adub: | a while back and was like that could be a bad idea bc i could see pulse coming down the pipe |
| [23:45:15] | adub: | so i cancelled |
| [23:45:21] | adub: | did apt-get autoremove |
| [23:45:32] | adub: | i even checked apt-get remove pulseaudio etc |
| [23:45:55] | adub: | i was watching a show then after finishing watching this particular show went to a different showing |
| [23:46:08] | adub: | another recording no sound i thought it was a fluke switched to live tv |
| [23:46:10] | adub: | no sound |
| [23:46:16] | adub: | then another recording no sound |
| [23:46:29] | adub: | i did have my onboard sound disabled by default when installing mythbuntu |
| [23:46:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: There's a record.avg_delay for recurring recording rules, that's modified when you watch a recording to allow the Watch List to calculate an average timeshift. |
| [23:46:42] | adub: | i did this for the reason that to avoid conflicts |
| [23:46:56] | wagnerrp: | oh? never knew that |
| [23:47:02] | adub: | i shut down myth |
| [23:47:14] | adub: | now everytime i bring myth back up no sound |
| [23:47:18] | sphery: | yeah, IMHO, not very useful |
| [23:47:22] | sphery: | my numbers are all crazy |
| [23:47:24] | adub: | i have been soundless for a few days |
| [23:47:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: opinion on a reliable way to detect the 'role' of mythtv? |
| [23:47:47] | sphery: | as in frontend vs backend type stuff? |
| [23:47:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [23:48:11] | wagnerrp: | just check for the presence of BackendServerPort and FrontendControlPort? |
| [23:48:23] | wagnerrp: | actually check to see if theyre accessible? |
| [23:48:33] | sphery: | heh, good question |
| [23:48:34] | wagnerrp: | check the process list? |
| [23:49:05] | sphery: | tell me to make the mythtv daemon runner program, that determines what to run, then use it's "which one" logic? :) |
| [23:49:08] | adub: | my frontend and backend are running tho man |
| [23:49:14] | jams: | the current options include: standalone/MBE/FE/SLAVE/SLAVE with FE/MBE with FE |
| [23:49:22] | sphery: | were you doing connection types in the protocol work you're doing? |
| [23:49:24] | adub: | oh you guys are helping someone else |
| [23:49:39] | Beirdo: | how about jobqueue-only slave? |
| [23:49:46] | sphery: | like er, connection names |
| [23:50:04] | wagnerrp: | right now, it just pulls that value out of some file set up by the distro |
| [23:50:11] | sphery: | something like what Captain_Murdoch once proposed: ANN mythfrontend Playback myhostname 0 |
| [23:50:12] | adub: | where are myth recordings stored |
| [23:50:16] | wagnerrp: | which is fine for that distro, but unusable for everyone else |
| [23:50:36] | adub: | i want to format and reinstall this madness |
| [23:50:48] | adub: | where are the recordings for myth stored id like to back these up |
| [23:50:51] | wagnerrp: | theyre stored where you told mythtv to store them |
| [23:50:57] | adub: | oh |
| [23:50:58] | wagnerrp: | the folders you defined in mythtv-setup |
| [23:51:18] | adub: | i used default mythbuntu settings i didnt change any of that i guess i could search my drive for mpg |
| [23:51:20] | ** wagnerrp really REALLY dislikes that mythbuntu sets that stuff up for you ** | |
| [23:51:25] | adub: | on mythweb i seen it installed to there |
| [23:51:42] | adub: | so does the mythtv apt-get |
| [23:51:53] | wagnerrp: | adub: you go into mythtv-setup, and check what mythbuntu set for you |
| [23:52:00] | wagnerrp: | under storage directories |
| [23:52:03] | adub: | ill juust find |
| [23:52:27] | adub: | question when i reinstall if i put back into the recordings directory will they show in the myth frontend |
| [23:52:35] | adub: | under recordings section again |
| [23:52:38] | wagnerrp: | if you keep the database as well |
| [23:52:48] | adub: | crap |
| [23:52:49] | adub: | lol |
| [23:52:53] | adub: | hmm |
| [23:53:03] | adub: | seems like more trouble than what its worth |
| [23:53:51] | wagnerrp: | jams: we want to pull out the available mysql engines |
| [23:54:01] | wagnerrp: | is there any mechanism set up to pass through a list of values? |
| [23:54:10] | wagnerrp: | would it just be comma separated or something? |
| [23:54:33] | jams: | comma is fine. it's define on the server how to handle that field |
| [23:54:40] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [23:56:21] | jams: | i'm pretty sure the plugins are sent comma delimited |
| [23:56:33] | Beirdo: | what you're not gonna force us to use JSON? :) |
| [23:57:30] | ** wagnerrp waits for the one joker to show up running mythtv off the blackhole storage engine ** | |
| [23:57:30] | markk_: | rsalveti: the opengl es support was all tested using an ubuntu armel + omap installation with qt 4.7 compiled with opengles support. |
| [23:58:00] | sphery: | I hear performance is amazing |
| [23:58:17] | Beirdo: | that's webscale... like /dev/null, right? |
| [23:59:02] | kormoc: | Beirdo, write only, aye |
| [23:59:15] | Beirdo: | nice :) |
| [23:59:30] | kormoc: | and by write, we mean you can write to it, but it's throw away |
| [23:59:35] | kormoc: | and all selects return empty sets |
| [23:59:51] | Beirdo: | imagine how fast that would make the scheduler! |
| [23:59:53] | Beirdo: | hehh |
| [23:59:59] | kormoc: | Instance |
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