| Wednesday, March 2nd, 2011, 19:56 UTC | ||
| [19:56:19] | sphery: | So, in #mythtv-users, a few of us (wagnerrp, skd5aner, and kormoc) were talking about theming and the sheer amount of effort required. wagnerrp mentioned that XBCM themes are generally created by teams of users rather than individuals. I think this approach could be useful for MythTV, too, so I was wondering what you all thought of the idea of my sending out an e-mail to the lists telling users that I (we?) would be happy to help ... |
| [19:56:25] | sphery: | ... anyone interested in creating a team, similar to the translation teams, to create and maintain new themes for MythTV. Could help them set up github, sourceforge, google code projects/repos, etc., and maybe help out with an overall plan. |
| [19:57:06] | sphery: | The latter--the overall plan--would require some people smarter than I (who know the general ideas behind theming--like create your base widgets, at minimum this list, then theme each page)... |
| [20:54:43] | iamlindoro: | Any team would need to be helmed by someone extremely familiar with MythUI, and would likely be very painful to get started as you basically tutor everyone in theming |
| [20:55:06] | iamlindoro: | TBH you can probably count me out, I am not longer interested in theming by committee, I've been too burned by users and devs alike |
| [20:57:44] | sphery: | Yeah, I think it would be useful for new themes--not recommending it for existing themes whose authors are still interested in those themes. And I agree that having a clearly defined leader would be important for ensuring consistency of style and design and usage. I'd just like to see more themes get created and I think the committment required for completing a theme individually is more than most people who may have some skill are ... |
| [20:57:50] | sphery: | ... willing to accept. |
| [21:24:07] | iamlindoro: | In for a penny, in for a pounds |
| [21:24:09] | iamlindoro: | er pound |
| [21:24:53] | iamlindoro: | I personally feel that we have people who will staunchly do nothing (usually the loudest) and people who will write whole themes, with very little spread in between |
| [21:25:18] | iamlindoro: | As much as everyone might *claim* to be willing to help, I'd expect nothing but crickets when a call for a team goes out |
| [21:25:33] | iamlindoro: | Sort of like rewriting mythtv-setup |
| [21:26:10] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I'd answer the occasional question but no interest in fostering a team until we get MythTV itself right. Physician, heal thyself and all that |
| [21:26:59] | iamlindoro: | All the non-themer devs have a fantasy about some magic full default theme, but have neglected to rope a themer into writing it, and are unwilling to accept any work from real themers anyway |
| [21:33:04] | sphery: | Yeah, it's probably over-optimistic to think it would interest more people in theming or result in more themes being created. And, I agree that getting that default* theme written will be a challenge. Was hoping this model might work for it. |
| [21:33:31] | sphery: | I may go ahead and make the offer, and do what I can to help any interested parties get started--assuming there are any. :) |
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| [23:15:56] | paul-h: | sphery: I think it's a great idea, I've asked the same question myself and got the same negative response :( I would certainly help anyway I can though. |
| [23:19:05] | sphery: | Sounds good... I'll plan to make an offer, but I may take a bit of time to make sure of the wording. |
| Thursday, March 3rd, 2011 | ||
| [00:15:03] | paul-h: | I would extend this to cover all themes in the repo, if the theme author wants to have the final say on any changes that's fine but it would be nice to complete all the official themes rather than the half completed state they are in now |
| [00:18:06] | paul-h: | A lot of the theme stuff I've been doing like adding the missing MNV screens could easily be done by a team set up to maintain the themes letting devs get on with the more important stuff |
| [00:23:06] | paul-h: | I think the translation team idea should be considered a success story and I don't see why a theme maintenance shouldn't work just as well |
| [00:33:10] | sphery: | Yeah, I think it would work extremely well for MythCenter* and default* (and, maybe we'd be able to get some team to turn default* into full-fledged themes that allow us to put MythCenter* and Terra into myththemes and only ship one default that's the same whether wide or square). I'm not sure whether stuartm would like to keep maintaining Terra and/or metallurgy. I should also talk to mag0o about Childish and gbutters about Mythbuntu ... |
| [00:33:16] | sphery: | ... to see if they want to maintain them (or lead a team?) or "pass them off to the community" |
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| [00:36:40] | skd5aner: | boo |
| [00:37:01] | skd5aner: | !url logs |
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| [00:37:07] | skd5aner: | !logs |
| [00:37:12] | skd5aner: | !url log |
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| [00:37:14] | skd5aner: | grrr |
| [00:37:16] | skd5aner: | what is it |
| [00:37:47] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/ |
| [00:37:56] | skd5aner: | thanks – found it in the topic |
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