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| [09:44:26] | stuarta: | fyi, forum upgrade is in progress |
| [10:19:56] | stuarta: | forum upgrade is complete, please let me know any issues |
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| [11:16:46] | SteveGoodey: | Ooh, that looks different. |
| [11:21:09] | SteveGoodey: | No user country flags now? |
| [11:21:52] | SteveGoodey: | Not showing on list of members anyway. |
| [12:04:37] | stuarta: | should be. hmmm |
| [12:07:51] | stuarta: | SteveGoodey: it doesn't show on the member list, but it does on their posts |
| [12:08:13] | stuarta: | SteveGoodey: like so far? |
| [12:09:36] | SteveGoodey: | Yes. Seems a bit squashed across the scrren? Gave you some work you hadn't planned for. We know posting is now working thanks to the spammers! |
| [12:10:59] | stuarta: | seen spam already? |
| [12:12:01] | stuarta: | it should be using stopforumspam |
| [12:12:30] | SteveGoodey: | Yup, 2. 12:13 and 12:56 |
| [12:12:36] | stuarta: | sigh. |
| [12:12:43] | ** stuarta tries to find the SFS mod logs ** | |
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| [12:16:04] | SteveGoodey: | First one came from 156.67.106.96 which is listed on stopforumspam. |
| [12:16:13] | stuarta: | hmmm |
| [12:16:22] | ** stuarta finds authorized for urls mod ** | |
| [12:30:53] | stuarta: | SteveGoodey: did it still drop those posts in for moderation, rather than posting them directly? |
| [12:31:34] | stuarta: | not that i can even find that setting anymore |
| [12:32:37] | stuarta: | ooooo |
| [12:32:46] | ** stuarta enable the cookie warning thing we are meant to have ** | |
| [12:40:48] | stuarta: | ok, it might finally have woken up |
| [12:41:33] | stuarta: | User: anonymous, ip: 93.72.51.208, action: "Banned IP for reason “Found in the Stop Forum Spam database†» 93.72.51.208 |
| [12:41:47] | stuarta: | ie. from the log it looks like it's banned itself :) |
| [12:46:24] | SteveGoodey: | Yes it did offer it for moderation. So that's all good then. |
| [12:47:12] | stuarta: | good |
| [12:47:28] | SteveGoodey: | And it shows in moderator logs, excellent. |
| [12:48:44] | SteveGoodey: | Do you know if that is banning new user or new post? |
| [12:48:57] | stuarta: | no idea |
| [12:49:13] | stuarta: | i think it's banning the ip (by default for 1hr) |
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| [13:16:34] | urgodfather: | does anyone have experience with NTSC analog cable? |
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| [14:12:34] | gigem: | urgodfather: Yes, but not in quite some time. |
| [14:14:38] | stuarta: | do they even still do that? |
| [14:16:16] | urgodfather: | some providers never got around to phasing it out |
| [14:17:11] | urgodfather: | im able to tune the channels but the channels report as freq. not your standard channel 2, 3, 4, etc. how do i match those? |
| [14:19:50] | gigem: | urgodfather: I always used to google, actually still do occasionally be because MythTV's digital cable scanning still references cable channel numbers too. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_ . . . _frequencies . |
| [14:19:51] | urgodfather: | this is a snapshot from plex as an example. i have had the same experience with myth, tvh, nextpvr, etc. i just want to find a suitable replacement for WMC. I like myth, but am testing all avenues to find a good fit |
| [14:20:07] | urgodfather: | https://ibb.co/bUFd8w |
| [14:21:30] | urgodfather: | i have been, for a week now |
| [14:21:57] | urgodfather: | but i just dont know what to reference |
| [14:22:16] | urgodfather: | i also found this http://eaglecomtronics.com/Cable_Television_C . . . cy_Chart.pdf |
| [14:22:26] | gigem: | urgodfather: In MythTV, you don't need to scan analog channels. Just set the cable standard used and then fill the channel table from your videosource, typically Schedules Direct. |
| [14:24:59] | urgodfather: | gigem: even for NTSC? |
| [14:25:15] | urgodfather: | hmm... maybe i went trough the setup wrong |
| [14:26:17] | urgodfather: | it was a PITA to get mythbuntu to see my tuner, but i got that worked out.... AND i got it to tune....but i had a hard time mapping channels |
| [14:26:19] | gigem: | Yes. MythTV uses the channel number and cable standard and looks up the required frequency itself. |
| [14:27:13] | urgodfather: | got any docs to reference later when i try this. im at work atm |
| [14:27:34] | gigem: | Let me check the wiki... |
| [14:44:09] | gigem: | urgodfather: My quick wiki search didn't find what I was hoping for. However, the procedure you need to follow goes something like this. Configure a videosource to use Schedules Direct. Be sure to choose the analog lineup if both digital and analog ones are provided. Next, configure your capture card. Then, configure the input connection for the capture card and specify the new videosource. Also, the |
| [14:44:12] | gigem: | input connections screens, I believe there is a button to populate the channel table from the videosource. Use it. Finally, if Schedules Direct only offers a single, combined, analog/digital lineup for your cable provider, you'll need to use the Channel Editor to either delete the digital channels from your analog videosource or mark them as not visible to prevent MythTV from trying to use them. |
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| [14:55:22] | neufeld: | So, I've been trying to figure out why, for the last two upgrades of the backend on LinHES, my transcoding jobs have been going mad. I submit a transcode job that might run for 2 hours. I check it later, and it ran fifteen of them, all with the same arguments. My script is clever enough to throttle itself so only one instance can run at a time, and to not do anything if it sees that the file has already passed |
| [14:55:22] | neufeld: | through it. |
| [14:55:44] | neufeld: | Anyway, I looked in the logs, and the backend keeps crashing. When it recovers, it spawns a new transcode job. |
| [14:56:00] | neufeld: | I've built a debug binary from the tag used in the LinHES release. |
| [14:56:15] | neufeld: | I'm running it in gdb right now, with a transcode job running. |
| [14:56:38] | neufeld: | The thread count is increasing without limit. It's at 800 threads now, and a new one is spawned every 2 or 3 seconds. |
| [14:57:18] | neufeld: | On the gdb output, I'm getting notices of new thread, then MainServer::ANN Monitor, adding mythtv.i.cneufeld.ca as a client, then disconnected. |
| [14:57:25] | urgodfather: | gigem: do you have a schedulesdirect account? |
| [14:57:34] | urgodfather: | or anyone else for that matter |
| [14:57:35] | neufeld: | When the user job ends, hundreds of threads all exit as well. |
| [14:57:45] | neufeld: | urgodfather: I have a schedulesdirect account |
| [14:58:12] | urgodfather: | neufeld: would you be willing to make me an xmltv for my area for testing purposes |
| [14:58:55] | neufeld: | I can give it a try. |
| [15:00:13] | urgodfather: | 29170 time warner cable ntsc channel lineup |
| [15:01:31] | neufeld: | OK, I've added that to my account. How do I generate the xmltv? |
| [15:03:26] | urgodfather: | shit idk |
| [15:03:28] | urgodfather: | lol |
| [15:03:34] | urgodfather: | thats why i asked for help |
| [15:03:34] | neufeld: | On my crashing issue: https://pastebin.com/mpN9eNcA |
| [15:03:41] | neufeld: | I'll check... |
| [15:06:42] | neufeld: | urgodfather: I've got a sequence for you. It also contains my lineup data, but you can look and filter it. |
| [15:06:46] | neufeld: | One second while I package it up. |
| [15:08:53] | neufeld: | urgodfather: OK, https://www.cneufeld.ca/neufeld/urgodfather.txt |
| [15:11:45] | stuarta: | neufeld: that backtrace is just weird |
| [15:15:43] | neufeld: | stuarta: these hundreds of threads are running QThread::exec() from mthread.cpp:81. Going up the stack, mthread.cpp:321, mthread.cpp:79, then start_thread |
| [15:17:55] | neufeld: | Hmm, I just found mthread.cpp. That's not telling us anything helpful. |
| [15:24:33] | neufeld: | stuarta: this wasn't happening 2 upgrades ago on LinHES. Somehow we're getting monitor threads spawned every few seconds, and if the user job runs too long, we run out of file descriptors and crash. When the user job exits, all those threads get reaped. |
| [15:31:19] | neufeld: | stuarta: I'm getting those threads spawning when there aren't user jobs running as well. |
| [15:31:37] | neufeld: | At least some are being reaped, though. |
| [15:32:57] | neufeld: | Looks like something in the HouseKeeperTask is cleaning up. The whole lot of extraneous threads just got cleaned up. |
| [15:33:13] | neufeld: | When running a user job, maybe some cleaner isn't being run? |
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| [15:36:57] | gigem: | urgodfather: Schedules Direct offers a free, 7-day trial subscription. If that's not long enough and the very reasonable $25 yearly subscription is too much, they also offer a 2-month subscription for $3. |
| [15:37:22] | urgodfather: | i just noticed that |
| [15:37:29] | gigem: | Oops, the 2-month subscription is $6 (or $3 per month). |
| [15:37:45] | urgodfather: | thanks neufeld for that list btw |
| [15:37:55] | neufeld: | urgodfather: you're welcome |
| [15:38:13] | urgodfather: | still scratching my head on this whole DRM protected channels mess |
| [15:38:42] | urgodfather: | even though i get basic analog cable im thinking that the majority of the channels are flagged |
| [15:38:51] | urgodfather: | can myth handle that? |
| [15:39:54] | neufeld: | urgodfather: see https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IPTV_Encoders_as_a_Capture_Device I have 2 of these, and can record anything the cable box is permitted to show to me. I still find it hard to believe these devices are legal. Apparently they're marketed at hotels that want to send video to rooms. |
| [15:40:50] | neufeld: | I bought them on amazon: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01D47DGEM/r . . . F8&psc=1 |
| [15:40:53] | gigem: | Flagged in what way? The only analog DRM I remember is Macrovision and similar and I don't think any of that is applicable. |
| [15:41:45] | urgodfather: | like the copy freely, copy once, no copy flag |
| [15:42:13] | urgodfather: | neufeld: wouldnt you need a box and wouldnt said box have to be tuned to a specific channel |
| [15:42:40] | neufeld: | urgodfather: of course. I have 2 cable boxes, one for each IPTV encoder, and I have an IR transducer to change channels on them. |
| [15:42:52] | urgodfather: | oic |
| [15:43:00] | neufeld: | urgodfather: what's your capture hardware? Maybe then we will see what you mean by DRM. |
| [15:43:36] | gigem: | urgodfather: Copy freely/once/never is for cablecards, i.e. it only applies to digital cable. |
| [15:44:27] | urgodfather: | gigem: so they must be digital over analog |
| [15:45:52] | urgodfather: | b/c wmc can tune freely every channel that i can tune directly on my tv... however, every pvr app i have tested shows as protected or encrypted |
| [15:46:28] | gigem: | As neufeld asked, what capture card are you using? |
| [15:47:07] | urgodfather: | i have a hdhr dual for OTA and a hvr2250 for NTSC |
| [15:47:33] | neufeld: | There's no DRM on OTA broadcasts. |
| [15:47:41] | urgodfather: | nope |
| [15:48:01] | neufeld: | The PVR2250 should work on any analogue channels, but not for digital. |
| [15:48:30] | urgodfather: | that drm issue only appears with the NTSC signal with every pvr app that i have tested |
| [15:48:35] | urgodfather: | ive tested them all |
| [15:49:07] | urgodfather: | so far wmc was the only one i could get to work right and microsoft killed it on my win10 box |
| [15:49:37] | urgodfather: | so... im revisiting this to attempt to get it to work right |
| [15:49:38] | gigem: | urgodfather: My understanding on the hvr2250 is the same as neufeld. You might post on the mythtv-users mailing list about it. Devin Heitmueller is one of the Linux capture card driver maintainers and lurks there. |
| [15:49:41] | neufeld: | Does your provider do clear QAM? We don't have any analogue signals on our boxes here anymore. |
| [15:50:03] | neufeld: | Analogue uses more bandwidth, so our cable provider switched to digital-only, even on the low channels. |
| [15:50:26] | urgodfather: | nope, if that were the case then the HDHR would work |
| [15:50:31] | neufeld: | They gave out free standard-definition STBs for anybody who was still using the television's tuner. |
| [15:50:34] | urgodfather: | to tune those channels |
| [15:50:54] | neufeld: | urgodfather: not unless they're clear QAM. They're probably encrypted as a matter of course. |
| [15:51:24] | neufeld: | We don't have cablecard here in Canada, so things are a bit different for us. |
| [15:51:26] | urgodfather: | ok... so why can wmc decrypt it but nothing else? |
| [15:51:48] | urgodfather: | i hate microsoft |
| [15:51:58] | urgodfather: | im only on a windows pc b/c i need it for work |
| [15:52:07] | urgodfather: | and they dont like me doing vm's |
| [15:52:53] | neufeld: | Oh, if WMC is an official microsoft product, it may, by virtue of its closed source, have an explicitly permitted decryption in software. I don't know how the US market works in that respect. |
| [15:53:08] | stuarta: | i thought WMC had been killed off? |
| [15:53:36] | gigem: | urgodfather: The channels are almost certainly not encrypted. It's possible there is some don'r record flag in the signel that the capture card is honoring. |
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| [15:54:44] | urgodfather: | thats the whole copy once, copy freely thing that im referencing |
| [15:54:49] | gigem: | Have you tried using a player like mpv or vlc directly? Analog is not very common these days, but they used to have ways to view the streams from such devices. |
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| [15:58:31] | urgodfather: | gigem: im trying to share to the rest of the household |
| [16:01:53] | gigem: | urgodfather: You are trying this on Linux, right? If so, you can try something like mpv --tv-device=/dev/video0 tv://5. |
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| [16:36:10] | neufeld: | stuarta: created bug 13150 |
| [16:36:16] | ** neufeld has to run off ** | |
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| [16:42:53] | hampton: | I can easily recreate a similar, but probably unrelated crash. If I clear my thumbnail cache and then quickly scroll down in a large directory, myth will create enough 'preview generator' processes to exhaust the available threads. |
| [16:43:11] | hampton: | Haven't file a bug yet. |
| [16:44:11] | hampton: | thumbnail generator, not preview generator |
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| [22:32:01] | urgodfather: | does anyone in here use iptv? |
| [23:40:27] | urgodfather: | anyone have experience with iptv? |
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