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| [14:26:57] | dmfrey_: | dekarl1: just getting back to your messages now, i am working on getting all the tests running, been having some trouble lately with them |
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| [16:44:31] | dekarl: | dmfrey: no worries. guess that was just cosmic rays hitting the cloud service or something |
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| [18:55:32] | peterbennett: | stuartm: Stuart? Are you there? |
| [19:00:45] | dekarl: | rmeden: any plans to offer "out of county" lineups for SD? e.g. "everything we have about dutch cable lineup x" |
| [19:03:01] | stuartm: | peterbennett: yes, I'm here |
| [19:03:56] | peterbennett: | Regarding building without opengl-video – opengl video does not work on raspberry pi |
| [19:05:04] | peterbennett: | I am trying different build options but probably should disable vdpau, opengl-video, vaapi because these will not work. |
| [19:05:43] | peterbennett: | I suppose you would like openmax to still work correctly even if it was built with opengl-video that does not work? |
| [19:06:04] | stuartm: | right, and while it may not work, it shouldn't be necessary to disable it before an unrelated feature will work |
| [19:06:33] | peterbennett: | I also noticed it does not add OpenMAX High Quality to me any more if I delet it, so I am looking into that |
| [19:06:36] | stuartm: | the presence of opengl video paths shouldn't affect opengl rendering |
| [19:06:53] | stuartm: | so somewhere the ifdefs need tweaking |
| [19:06:56] | peterbennett: | OK I take the point. What actually happens when you do that? |
| [19:08:58] | peterbennett: | (i.e. when you run with opengl-video enabled) |
| [19:09:01] | stuartm: | when I have it enabled? Well I can't be sure that was the change which helped, but before I rebuilt with that option (+ explicit release vs profile build and SDL) enabling the threaded or opengl render had no effect, it was still using softblend |
| [19:09:27] | peterbennett: | I see |
| [19:09:35] | stuartm: | logs might have been revealing but because of limited space I wasn't running with logging enabled |
| [19:10:53] | peterbennett: | Regarding the hdmi audio, my test setup does not have hdmi, so I have to hook up to the TV in the living room or bedroom to try it out. last time I tried it there was no difficulty with hdmi audio. |
| [19:10:55] | stuartm: | if I had more time I would obviously have experimented more |
| [19:11:22] | peterbennett: | I will take my spare raspberry pi to the living room and try the hdmi again |
| [19:32:43] | peterbennett: | stuartm: if you don't disable vaapi there are compile errors, so at least that one must be disabled. |
| [19:34:40] | stuartm: | peterbennett: compiles fine here, though I probably don't have the vaapi headers installed so it defaults to disabled anyway |
| [19:35:00] | stuartm: | --enable-openmax --disable-hdpvr --disable-backend --disable-ivtv --disable-ceton --disable-dvb --disable-hdhomerun --disable-vbox --enable-opengl --disable-opengl-themepainter --compile-type=release --enable-sdl --disable-opengl-video |
| [19:35:07] | stuartm: | is what I'm using |
| [19:35:42] | stuartm: | note that --disable-backend is just a placebo, doesn't really do much :) |
| [19:35:53] | stuartm: | purely symbolic in this case |
| [19:36:18] | stuartm: | disabling the recorders also doesn't serve much purpose, a minor space saving at best |
| [19:36:59] | peterbennett: | stuartm: I am working on getting it to work with the minimum number of overrides |
| [19:37:00] | stuartm: | only ones which actually do anything useful are --enable-openmax --enable-opengl --disable-opengl-themepainter --compile-type=release --enable-sdl --disable-opengl-video |
| [19:37:19] | stuartm: | and arguably SDL isn't really needed at all |
| [19:37:41] | peterbennett: | This works: --prefix=/usr --compile-type=profile --enable-openmax --disable-vdpau --disable-opengl-video --enable-opengl --disable-opengl-themepainter --disable-vaapi |
| [19:38:53] | stuartm: | right, release build is again a minor optimisation |
| [19:38:56] | stuartm: | profile is default |
| [19:39:19] | peterbennett: | I need profile for debugging |
| [19:39:39] | stuartm: | yes, but you don't need to specify it, since we made it the default years ago |
| [19:40:04] | stuartm: | and unless a subsequent configure change has broken that it should work without |
| [19:40:45] | peterbennett: | oh – maybe the default should be release so all those folks who compile it at home don't have multi-gigbytes of extra stuff |
| [19:40:59] | stuartm: | not strictly necessary to disable vdpau/vaapi – if it doesn't build without those can you open a ticket with the build log? |
| [19:41:07] | peterbennett: | sorry megabytes |
| [19:41:51] | peterbennett: | vaapi is getting conflicting definitions |
| [19:41:54] | stuartm: | peterbennett: we made it default because we kept getting useless backtraces from people utterly dependent on packages who were unwilling to rebuild from source to add debugging symbols |
| [19:42:04] | peterbennett: | I tried to figure it out but evetually gave up |
| [19:42:43] | stuartm: | the extra binary size was outweighed by the benefit to debugging crashes |
| [19:42:56] | peterbennett: | Ok that makes sense, so I shouldn't recommend release in the wiki |
| [19:44:12] | stuartm: | release builds are something I'd only bother with for the Pi because of the constraints of the device, but it's not necessary – I just can't ever imagine trying to run gdb on the thing, so going with a release build was no loss |
| [19:44:46] | peterbennett: | gdb works just fine on Raspberry Pi |
| [19:45:03] | peterbennett: | I use it all the time |
| [19:45:15] | stuartm: | not painfully slow? |
| [19:45:21] | peterbennett: | Nope |
| [19:45:27] | stuartm: | interesting |
| [19:45:34] | stuartm: | I just assumed it would be |
| [19:46:02] | peterbennett: | You probably need a hard drive for the file systems, which I have. |
| [19:49:15] | peterbennett: | I found the stupid mistake that causes OpenMAX Hight Quality to not be added |
| [19:50:21] | stuartm: | well, time to clear the desk and start soldering this Pi Zero to a stack of components |
| [19:51:43] | peterbennett: | stuartm: What are you building? |
| [19:54:58] | stuartm: | this weekend it's a camera trap – total cost including the tools I had to buy will be more than getting one of the shelf, and I'm looking at best a 3–4 day lifespan on the LiPo battery pack vs months for a commercial version, but I'm doing it to amuse myself :) |
| [19:57:32] | stuartm: | spent £25 alone on a spiral flute step drill bit to cut the aperture in the case for the PIR sensor ... |
| [20:00:14] | peterbennett: | My hdmi test failed – frontend won't start – database schema version changed . |
| [20:03:34] | peterbennett: | stuartm: I rebuilt with minimum overrides so that opengl video is enabled and the opengl OSD is working. |
| [20:04:05] | peterbennett: | stuartm: This is what I used ./configure --prefix=/usr --compile-type=profile --disable-vaapi |
| [20:04:29] | peterbennett: | I will do some more testing and commit the fix for the opengl high quality profile |
| [20:04:55] | dekarl: | peterbennett: is our "interesting" build system the reason for missing plugins in mythtv light? |
| [20:05:01] | stuartm: | interesting, I'll have to try it again then – though since I'm building on the Pi (no cross building) and I don't have space for ccache, it takes hours to rebuild |
| [20:05:41] | stuartm: | I really should put a 16GB SD card in there instead of the measly 8GB I'm using now |
| [20:05:43] | peterbennett: | I have a plugins build for mythtv-light but I don't know the dependencies |
| [20:06:10] | stuartm: | and this might force me to fix the lack of a housekeeper for remotecache |
| [20:06:16] | peterbennett: | stuartm: You don't have a spare hard drive lying around? |
| [20:06:46] | peterbennett: | Build is really nice with a 5GB ccache |
| [20:07:30] | peterbennett: | Where can i get a list of dependencies for installing plugins? |
| [20:08:00] | peterbennett: | People compain teh plugins dont work because the package does not install the deps |
| [20:08:20] | peterbennett: | Personally I have never used the plugins |
| [20:08:31] | dekarl: | I think this is the best source for dependencies on raspbian https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . n/control.in |
| [20:08:49] | peterbennett: | Creating teh package was a very interesting experience |
| [20:08:57] | stuartm: | not a spare usb HDD drive no, they are all filled with backups etc – I might possibly have a thumb drive hiding somewhere that could be used only when building |
| [20:09:41] | stuartm: | mythmusic is the only plugin I use any more |
| [20:10:25] | stuartm: | mythnews should be tossed on the fire, if anyone wants the functionality it would be better to start again from scratch on that |
| [20:11:03] | stuartm: | mythweather can be useful, if weather reports themselves weren't mostly useless |
| [20:11:35] | stuartm: | mythzoneminder is a little niche |
| [20:13:14] | stuartm: | mythgallery is good, if you can be bothered to actually catalogue your photos and if you're the sort of person who invites friends/family over to show them the holiday snaps |
| [20:13:27] | peterbennett: | Thumb drives and SD cards can be slow. |
| [20:14:12] | stuartm: | nothing wrong with that, but personally my photos rarely see the light of day except for the very best ones which one day I will have professionally printed and use to decorate the walls of my office |
| [20:14:57] | jheizer: | Funny as I just last week used a rpi to build a networked digital photo frame |
| [20:15:28] | jheizer: | Same reason, they just sit there doing nothing getting backed up to multiple places. |
| [20:15:53] | jheizer: | I don't know if you all have used the wifi on a pi3, but it is HORRIBLE |
| [20:16:25] | peterbennett: | I think most people's friends would not be really interested in a slide show on the TV. |
| [20:16:30] | stuartm: | jheizer: works brilliantly here – I use it on my RPi frontend for streaming |
| [20:17:12] | jheizer: | I've tried every trick I could find. Disabling the power management, changing to a lower channel on the AP, etc. Still miserably bad. |
| [20:17:29] | peterbennett: | I disconnected the wifi because I have a wired connection. |
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| [20:17:56] | jheizer: | I had it rotating pictures every 10 seconds and lazy loading one ahead and it couldn't keep up. |
| [20:18:00] | stuartm: | mythnetvision is all kinds of broken, mythgame is niche ... so really, what I'm saying is that it's not necessary to build all plugins :) |
| [20:19:21] | peterbennett: | stuartm: From my point of view it is not necessary to build any of them :) |
| [20:19:40] | dekarl1: | stuartm, mythnetvision needs to go the way of the phoenix and be redone with support for a central directory of available clips :) |
| [20:20:02] | jheizer: | My chromecast has replaced anything I did with any plugins. |
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| [20:20:34] | peterbennett: | MythGallery would not build so I left it out. I think it needed OpenGL, so I am not sure about it |
| [20:20:47] | stuartm: | jheizer: the shortcomings of the small antenna on the RPi might be overcome here because I'm using a beast of a wireless router |
| [20:20:48] | dekarl1: | which gallery is mythgallery? the old one, the new one or the really new one? |
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| [20:21:41] | stuartm: | wait, what's the difference between the new one and the really new one? |
| [20:21:53] | jheizer: | stuartm, glad it does work for you. I moved mine to be line of sight in the same room and it is still meh. |
| [20:22:59] | dekarl: | ahh, the really new one is now part of core... https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Gallery |
| [20:23:20] | stuartm: | jheizer: two rooms over, through solid iron heavy brick walls, streams HD video perfectly :/ |
| [20:23:25] | peterbennett: | All I know is that I had ti include --disable-mythgallery in the plugins configure |
| [20:23:30] | peterbennett: | for 0/28 |
| [20:23:35] | stuartm: | Router for reference – http://www.netgear.co.uk/home/products/networ . . . s/R7500.aspx |
| [20:24:13] | dekarl: | stuartm: from the release notes 0.28: Replacement Gallery using MythUI & storage groups Backend manages images in Storage Group and supports multiple frontends/service clients |
| [20:24:46] | stuartm: | dekarl, that's the new one, don't remember a version between that and the old one |
| [20:25:09] | dekarl: | oh, I thought there was a rewrite of mythgallery shortly before it |
| [20:25:12] | jheizer: | stuartm, grr netgear. Mine has proven to be less than stellar. I jumped on AC too soon. |
| [20:25:13] | jheizer: | http://www.netgear.com/home/products/networki . . . s/R6300.aspx |
| [20:25:16] | stuartm: | unless you count the mythui conversion of the old one |
| [20:25:26] | stuartm: | but that wasn't a complete re-write |
| [20:25:52] | stuartm: | jheizer: you seem to have bad luck with WiFi in general :) |
| [20:26:19] | stuartm: | seems it's currently using Channel 13 for 2.4Ghz |
| [20:26:34] | jheizer: | True, it works, just not very good range. |
| [20:26:55] | stuartm: | which makes sense, most routers default to US channels which leaves 13 free most of the time |
| [20:27:27] | jheizer: | Funny as 13 was not working until just recently. And some people reported massive issues on 11 but dropping to 6 helped. |
| [20:38:17] | stuartm: | 13 only works if you select the correct wireless regulatory region |
| [20:38:52] | stuartm: | ok, no soldering tonight after all, got distracted ... |
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| [20:42:01] | peterbennett: | stuartm: Sorry for distracting you. |
| [20:47:01] | jheizer: | +1 and complaining |
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