| Tuesday, June 28th, 2016, 00:20 UTC | ||
| [00:20:46] | rmeden1: | stuartm: We got pretty good terms on the international data. We can afford it... I don't see it going away anytime soon. |
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| [00:24:17] | Cubber: | I just migrated my backend to a new server with the same tv card. I performed the migration steps per the wiki and have done this about 4 times in the past with good results. This round though I am having issues when trying to watch liveTV or record. Playback of old videos migrated work fine. |
| [00:24:24] | Cubber: | The error is: TVRecEvent tv_rec.cpp:3793 (TuningFrequency) – TVRec[1]: Failed to set channel to 1. Reverting to kState_None |
| [00:24:45] | Cubber: | I have clearned out all of the TV Cards, Channels, Video Sources, and Input mappings and created them all from scratch |
| [00:25:22] | Cubber: | I also subscribe to schedules direct and use that for grabbing for directv. I set that all up clean and still get the issue. Put about 9 hours into this so far today trying to get past this. |
| [00:26:10] | Cubber: | I can get video from the card perfectly fine if I do a cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpeg and play it back with VLC. It is an HVR-1600 |
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| [00:40:45] | knightr: | mythfilldatabase gives me segmentation faults, anyone else with that problem? |
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| [05:49:10] | dekarl: | jpabq: can I add that to our memorable quotes to help understand why some things are like they are? "jpabq: Ug! I always convieniently forget about live tv." could have been said by most of us :) |
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| [08:24:22] | stuartm: | dekarl: actually I really like the fee – it's a lot less than you would pay for a commercial subscription and the quality of the content produced by the BBC is far higher than any other domestic broadcaster. Getting rid of the license fee would be shooting ourselves in the foot |
| [08:27:02] | stuartm: | if the BBC was forced to go the subscription model it would be the end of Free to Air TV in this country, we'd end up paying more for lower quality content |
| [09:38:29] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: There is a survey in the BBC white paper which has 60% saying no change needed to the licence fee. Only 3% said full subscription. This was responses from organisations and industry experts. |
| [09:39:31] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: I suspect asking the public would get different results. Perhaps we should have a referendum on it..... |
| [09:48:10] | enyc: | hahahahaa |
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| [10:35:17] | JohnLBergqvist: | Do i need to compile mythtv with any specific arguments in order to enable HEVC playback over vdpau? |
| [10:35:32] | JohnLBergqvist: | I have an HEVC file id like to play, however the audio plays, just no video at all. |
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| [11:03:49] | dizygoth: | dblain: The browser/info crashes for Qt < 5.6 are due to a missing #include "mythconfig.h" in xmlparsebase.cpp |
| [11:04:00] | dizygoth: | dblain: Do you want me to push a fix ? |
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| [12:48:49] | dblain: | dizygoth: if you don't mind. I don't have time right now to make the change and test it. |
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| [14:13:32] | knightr: | anyone of us using an HVR-2250 or similar? I had to reconfigure them and it looks like I got something wrong because I can watch TV but it crash when I try to use mythfilldatabase or the program guide... |
| [14:13:55] | knightr: | (this is with a master checked out last night...) |
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| [14:31:49] | gary_buhrmaster: | knightr: Is the mfdb one at the end of the run, and with Qt 5.6? There is a reported bug against Qt 5.6 that matches the end-of-run crash in mfdb for some runs. I do not know if Qt 5.6.1 (or Qt 5.7) fixes it. |
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| [14:34:59] | dekarl-work: | actually I was thinking of the mandatory fee on guide data that was mentionend somewhere. Not the public tv fee |
| [14:37:49] | dekarl-work: | found it. from https://metabroadcast.com/blog/getting-full-u . . . as-it-s-easy – "The fees for ITV data are statutory fees that have been waived by the other broadcasters, but unfortunately not ITV." |
| [14:42:17] | dekarl-work: | I'm not finding anything about the actual fee, it sounds as if it may be something like our VG Media fees for enhanced metadata about the guide |
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| [14:42:46] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl_work: Ah, thanks. Too many fees to keep track of. |
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| [16:05:10] | stuartm: | dekarl: right, I don't know the full detail of it, but broadcasters can charge for use of their data in commercial situations (doesn't apply to personal use) |
| [16:10:02] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: And there will be those that assert "personal use" for what are commercial activities. And that is why we can't have nice things. |
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| [17:02:57] | dekarl: | anybody subcribed to the users list mind to remind them of this https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiq . . . _aware_of.3F ? |
| [17:05:46] | dekarl: | looks like Hika tried but with success http://lists.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-user . . . /387666.html |
| [17:08:22] | dekarl: | s/with/with little/ but the wording was special |
| [17:33:01] | knightr: | gary_buhrmaster, yes it is... |
| [17:33:06] | knightr: | is that a new problem? |
| [17:33:30] | knightr: | this used to work and now it's unusuable |
| [17:33:55] | knightr: | thank you! |
| [17:34:27] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: I was going to remind them, but I would also need to delete (and lock) the referenced wiki article that talks about HDCP strippers (which I do not have the power to do). |
| [17:35:51] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: And beside, I decided it really needed a MythTV elder to step in (I am pretty sure they already ignore my item 5 in the eqiquette faq article that I remind people of from time to time, since they always seem to go on and on and on). |
| [17:37:43] | gary_buhrmaster: | knightr: Qt 5.6 (from my perspective) had no QA. It shipped by date, not quality. Are you also using gcc 6? |
| [17:41:07] | gary_buhrmaster: | knightr: Somewhere in trac there is a proposed patch for one (at least the first identified) gcc 6 issue in MythTV itself. If one tracks things back far enough, there is an archlinux referenced fix to recompile Qt with the old checks in the code. |
| [17:41:22] | gary_buhrmaster: | knightr: Oh, btw, do you have a Ceton tuner? |
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| [19:02:23] | rmeden: | startm: I think the channel 5 issue SD issue has been fixed. |
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| [19:12:05] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: I'm happy with a "how to use the HDMI capture devices" but not with the "looks here is a HDCP stripper!". Just like the other things its a fine line to walk between legitimate and paid for use cases and tooting the legally questionable horns |
| [19:12:17] | stuartm: | rmeden: yes, I got an email from Rob K ... I was just verifying it |
| [19:13:54] | stuartm: | rmeden: looks good except for Channel 5 +24 (24 hour repeat of Channel 5) |
| [19:14:33] | rmeden: | maybe in 24 hours? |
| [19:15:01] | rmeden: | and seriously, there's a station that is a 24 hour repeat of another???? |
| [19:15:48] | stuartm: | yes, complete waste of bandwidth ... as if no-one owns a DVR, or can't use the streaming catch-up feature of their TV/STB |
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| [19:19:41] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: If is for those people who do not want to be bothered about today, for the signs keep saying the end is near. They only care about what happens today, tomorrow, if the asteroid did not strike. |
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| [20:42:41] | knightr: | gary_buhrmaster, things worked until very recently, I had a problem with my channels (old HLS stuff which no longer worked) and missing OTA channels so I cleared everything and tried to rescan them... |
| [20:43:49] | knightr: | when I did that I was not able to successfully exit mythtv-setup but my config seemed to have sticked anyway... |
| [20:44:37] | knightr: | now I get segmentation faults each time I run mythfilldatabase and I can get them in the program guide too.... |
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| [20:46:26] | knightr: | I recently updated (2 days ago I think) to Fedora 24 hoping it might make things better (I had Fedora 23) but that did not change anything.. |
| [20:47:03] | knightr: | As far as I know, both had Qt 5.6 but I could be wrong, Fedora 24 sure does have Qt 5.6.0 as far as I can tell.. |
| [20:47:29] | knightr: | I have no Ceton tuner.. |
| [20:49:08] | knightr: | Currently only have HVR-2250s configured but I could add back my HD Homeruns... I only get OTA signals here... |
| [20:49:21] | knightr: | as far as GCC is concerned, let me check... |
| [20:49:45] | knightr: | gcc (GCC) 6.1.1 20160621 (Red Hat 6.1.1–3) |
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| [21:25:58] | gary_buhrmaster: | knightr: gcc 6 (which everything was recompiled for in F24) has a new feature that optimizes away a check for the "this" pointer is never NULL. For various reasons this breaks some Qt versions (it is even in the gcc 6 release note it breaks Qt!) |
| [21:29:02] | gary_buhrmaster: | knightr: (f23 used gcc 5.<mumble>). There is at least one trac report that MythTV in one case ends up falling into the "this" trap by calling a Qt function with a NULL (I have not really paid attention to the ticket, so the details are likely wrong). |
| [21:30:48] | gary_buhrmaster: | knightr: Regardless, Qt 5.6 also has bugs which result in crashes (some of the time) even with gcc 5.<mumble>. |
| [21:34:04] | gary_buhrmaster: | knightr: I am afraid that one if going to have to get backtraces to really determine where the problem is. I just know about the (semi-random) one in mfdb with Qt 5.6 and the very end of the loading (when Qt is cleaning itself up). |
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| [21:54:51] | knightr: | gary_buhrmaster, yikes! |
| [21:54:55] | knightr: | Thank you! |
| [21:55:19] | knightr: | I don't think I ever had to produce backtraces, I will look it up... |
| [21:56:06] | knightr: | I had the problem before the switch though so which part is caused by these issues and which part might be caused by something else is unclear... |
| [21:56:23] | knightr: | once again, thank you! |
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| [23:08:29] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: ahh, these grabbers don't support the fancy new stuff that was only added 7 years ago ;) (wrt to actor's roles) |
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| [23:43:19] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: Mine does, if the data is there. I worked hard to try to provide as much of the xmltv data I could with the data that was possible. I read the spec(s) carefully. I admit my grabber may not do things correctly. |
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| [23:45:39] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: I randomly verified it in one of the grabbers that are older then the spec update and that works against a proper API. |
| [23:45:49] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: I have noticed that a bunch of the grabbers seem to be stagnant. |
| [23:46:26] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: Not entirely unexpected, of course (if it works, why fix it). |
| [23:49:54] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: most of them are stagnant. As long as they work no one does anything with them. When I had spare time I worked a bit on the grabbers that have a proper upstream API, even if I don't speak the language. |
| [23:53:30] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: Out of curiosity, do you have an idea what percentage of the grabbers are (for all practical purposes) abandoned by the author? |
| [23:55:13] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: For some (very) early experimentation I tried to run a few of the other country grabbers, and they did not work at all, but since that could have been due to geo-blocking from the source, I had no idea if it was a real problem to report or not. |
| [23:56:29] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: (there was some (EU?) country that the grabber I tried failed to work, and I suspected geo-blocking; Can't trust the 'mericans, they want to steal our tv guide) |
| [23:56:46] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: tempting to point at xmltv-tester, but that appears to have an issue atm http://debian.crustynet.org.uk/~xmltv-tester/sid/nightly/ |
| [23:57:48] | dekarl: | every now and then some benevolent commiters go over the list and fix issues |
| [23:57:50] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: There is a difference (in my view) between "it works" and "it is supported" by the author/community. |
| [23:58:30] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: yes, but a grabber having stopped working months ago is usually a good sign of being unsupported |
| [23:59:07] | dekarl: | its has to find data for the support case due to no central user community |
| [23:59:08] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: Well, I would agree it is a lower bound for being unsupported. |
| [23:59:18] | dekarl: | s/has/hard/ |
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