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| [07:41:04] | stuartm: | dekarl: so in a ticket about InnoDB and referential integrity, you've referenced a commit that manually cleans up deleted rows? :) |
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| [09:41:14] | dekarl: | stuartm: indeed, a small cleanup that will not have to be done later when its needed to avoid breaking integrity :) |
| [09:41:56] | dekarl: | but I'm holding back on schema changes some more |
| [10:00:13] | dekarl: | can someone enlighten me why we prefer DATETIME NOT NULL DEFAULT '0000-00–00 00:00:00' over DATETIME with NULL? |
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| [14:05:50] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: I am guessing (and I have not looked at the codes) that there are places where having the possibility of a NULL in an index would result in the inability to use index searches (because NULL is so special). |
| [14:10:08] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: That said, I would guess at least some of the DEFAULT '0000-00–00 00:00:00's makes little sense since there should always be a supplied value (a program should always have a rational starttime). |
| [14:10:29] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: not according to the documentation :( http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/is-null-optimization.html (random google hit) |
| [14:11:10] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: I am thinking compound indexes. Any it may be dependent on version of mysql. |
| [14:12:30] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: And it likely will depend on the version of the query optimizer. |
| [14:12:42] | dekarl: | I prefer NULL over 0 for it the "unique or null" indices |
| [14:12:57] | dekarl: | but with 5.7 that is all moot... |
| [14:13:53] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: I agree that NULL is better (rather than 0000....), for most cases. |
| [14:15:13] | dekarl: | btw, I'm just looking at #11564 and scratching my head why a 1/8s buffer is good for a loop with 20ms intervals. Or is it just that a symbol is preferable to a magic number? |
| [14:15:13] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11564 ** | |
| [14:20:05] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: There were two points. The first is that the buffer was really too small. The second has to due with high bitrates and the inconsistency of the SD "magic values". |
| [14:21:11] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: seeing that there are more HDHR patches I'm guessing that you run them with a HDHR (in production)? |
| [14:21:16] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: (I am having to pull this from aging memory cells), but SD's magic values are actually estimates given a particular bitrate, which is not actually correct. |
| [14:22:32] | dekarl: | yes, the magic number is 20mbit/s. I agree 64KiB isn't that much for a buffer that receives MPEG-2 in 1080 |
| [14:23:25] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: As I recall (and I actually opened a ticket with SD over this that never went anywhere), the 1s (one second) value is too small for some high bitrate DVB-S2/T2 tuners that were in plan at the time. |
| [14:25:07] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: such that you actually needed a bigger buffer in worst case. In "practice", as long as you actually got back to the loop often enough, everything worked fine. |
| [14:26:25] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: So, increasing the buffer value reduces the likelyhood that in an under-powered BE system you could not empty the (internal library ring) buffer fast enough. |
| [14:27:28] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: And increasing the buffer size also reduces the amount of locking (again, in worse case) which would also help with under powered systems. Potential double win. Maybe. Sometimes. |
| [14:33:41] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: as to running it in "production", I did at one time. At some point my BE system got completely reworked (and upgraded to something much faster), and I moved to packages there, so I have not done so recently. |
| [14:34:37] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: to be completely honest, unless I did some specific overloading of the BE system, I never really saw problems anyway. |
| [14:37:43] | dekarl: | guess our users will tell us if their brave raspberries can handle multiple 2160p streams :) https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/softwar . . . 1#post864571 |
| [14:37:44] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: I will note that that patch was actually an attempt to do what danielk had intended to do, but that patch was ineffective due to setting a variable no longer used (apparently there was some cruft in the code). |
| [14:38:13] | dekarl: | its already merged and compile testing |
| [14:52:31] | gary_buhrmaster: | The RPi aficionados will likely eventually realize that their choices result in certain limitations. I just hope that the end result is not bad press on a poor experience of MythTV that has nothing to do with the project itself, but those RPi limitations. |
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| [15:45:57] | peterbennett2: | dekarl: I saw your comments about brave raspberries, multiple 2160 streams. I am assuming the RPI would only be for frontend and only stream 1 video at a time. |
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| [16:53:46] | gary_buhrmaster: | peterbennett2: (if you read the logs) Re: RPi users. There will always be those that believe it is a hammer, and look for new nails to pound. Some of those nails will eventually get driven, and some will get bent, and some will give one tetanus. |
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| [17:10:25] | peterbennett1: | gary_buhrmaster: Which logs are you referring to? |
| [17:10:44] | peterbennett1: | gary_buhrmaster: I think your metaphor is out of control there :) |
| [17:15:01] | gary_buhrmaster: | peterbennett1: The irc logs (I saw that peterbennett2 left, and I was responding to that variant) |
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| [17:28:21] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: btw, irt innodb, is there a (formal) list somewhere of the places to review for (possible) innodb conversion. For example, the count(*) issue is well known (although clearly has to be reviewed to see if it matters in the places it is used). |
| [17:33:36] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: fwiw, I have been running with innodb for years, but I have carefully tuned my db so that such (potential full index scan) impacts are less likely, but I presume that the typical user is less likely to tune well. |
| [17:33:57] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: (until the mythical embedded db does it for them, that is) |
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| [17:41:36] | jsgrant: | Howdy, I have an "advanced elderly" grandfather (a few weeks to 99 y/o). and got a RPi & HDHomerun for him — I'm assuming there almost has to be, but haven't yet messed setting up the rig yet, to automatically turn to, but not record a stream? |
| [17:45:37] | jsgrant: | I can't seem to find anything on the wiki, which explicitly states this; As said though, I'm assuming it has to. |
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| [18:15:43] | dekarl: | peterbennett, nah. the comment was explicit about having a small ARM backend. |
| [18:16:10] | dekarl: | "small" as in feeds multiple 2160p frontends while recordings etc pp |
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| [18:29:05] | dekarl: | jsgrant: mythtv is designed around always recording the stream on the backend. |
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| [18:39:38] | peterbennett: | dekarl: We need to discourage anybody who wants to install the backend on a raspberry pi |
| [18:41:51] | peterbennett: | jsgrant: MythTV needs a backend and a raspberry pi will not be powerful enough to be a backend. |
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| [19:02:51] | jr3us: | I did some testing last year with a RPi 2, and was able to use it as a slave backend for 1 USB tuner. I used an NFS mount for the recordings directory. I would not try it as a master backend tho. |
| [19:04:27] | jr3us: | I didn't have any usb/network bandwidth problems with the above configuration. |
| [19:06:57] | jsgrant: | Hm, that'd be likely a problem then yeah. I wonder if just getting Kodi working with it (hdhomerun) then would be worthwhile endeavor. |
| [19:08:08] | jsgrant: | He doesn't need any recording functionality, just to have a mechanism that automatically will change channels based on a given schedule; Evidently "Charter Spectrum" in the US, can't currently do this without recording. |
| [19:09:44] | jsgrant: | I guess I'll have to look into it all though, but thanks for the headsup — better than trying to set up the Pi and figuring out the performance is either a no-go in jittery, to potentially not even bootable into the given session. |
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| [19:17:57] | jr3us: | that should work using that hdhr plugin if he doesn't need recording. |
| [19:21:41] | jsgrant: | jr3us: Yeah, no need for recording and that's what I thought/hoped regarding Kodi's extensions. Well neat, thanks y'all for the info. |
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