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| [08:56:00] | dekarl: | btw, "whats wrong with dmo?" is a FAQ https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ |
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| [09:12:59] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [09:13:39] | stuarta: | dekarl: i'm beginning to wonder if it's simpler to write an ansible playbook to package and install mythtv on deb |
| [09:14:35] | stuarta: | well package at least. let them install it themselves |
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| [10:08:07] | dekarl: | stuarta, even if we get into debian proper were not affected by libav upgrade issues :) |
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| [10:21:45] | stuarta: | tbh, if our packaging works, we should just be able to point debian users at it |
| [10:22:11] | stuarta: | building packages isn't difficult, just time consuming |
| [10:23:09] | stuarta: | i've been pondering nightly package builds, to verify the packaging works, not to distribute |
| [10:27:41] | jmcentee: | how hard is it to create a repositry? I may consider building and providing a fixes release. |
| [10:28:19] | stuarta: | jmcentee: what a git repo? trivial |
| [10:28:29] | stuarta: | oh a debian repo |
| [10:28:51] | stuarta: | i would say pretty easy, it's the maintenance that can be a pain |
| [10:28:55] | jmcentee: | I guess it is just time consuming to initally setup |
| [10:30:34] | stuarta: | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| [10:30:52] | jmcentee: | as you say, being ready everytime a new point release is done would be the pain. |
| [10:31:19] | stuarta: | it's accepted that the package builds lag by 1–2 days |
| [10:32:09] | stuarta: | looking at that page, the hard part will be choosing the tool to use! |
| [10:33:11] | stuarta: | The Private Package Archive (PPA) can be created on a web server with a shell account using: reprepro or mini-dinstall |
| [10:33:24] | stuarta: | sounds like what you want |
| [10:33:42] | jmcentee: | I agree |
| [10:44:33] | stuarta: | and we will happily take contributions to the debian packaging |
| [10:44:56] | stuarta: | if you do decide to do this, we can provide access to the packaging repo |
| [10:48:51] | jmcentee: | Don't really know what I am doing yet. I followed instructions from enyc to create the debian packages from the packaging repo (just guess access) and built them fine. |
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| [10:49:30] | jmcentee: | Had one attempt to upgrade my current dmo install, but ran out of time so just rolled the virtual machin back. |
| [10:51:15] | jmcentee: | currently plan is to install new hardware with either Xen or KVM and create new VM for mythtv master backend, and restore database onto that. Currently stuck at deciding between Xen of KVM. |
| [10:51:33] | stuarta: | kvm |
| [10:52:07] | stuarta: | no questions at all |
| [10:52:11] | jmcentee: | go you just use the command line? |
| [10:52:20] | stuarta: | via libvirt yes |
| [10:52:43] | Merlin83b: | I use virt-manager, at least to generate an inital config. |
| [10:52:50] | stuarta: | and there is also a virtual machine manager which is a nice remote gui |
| [10:53:01] | stuarta: | connects via ssh to the host |
| [10:53:11] | Merlin83b: | That's the one :) |
| [10:53:20] | ** stuarta calls SNAP ** | |
| [10:53:41] | jmcentee: | not proxmox then,. |
| [10:54:00] | stuarta: | jmcentee: my co-workers have previously talked about xen with mumblings along the lines of "bastardized into the kernel...." |
| [10:54:19] | stuarta: | "horrible, hard to support, etc" |
| [10:54:33] | jmcentee: | fine. |
| [10:54:42] | stuarta: | qemu-kvm is a lovely bit of engineering |
| [10:55:00] | jmcentee: | I original chose Xen for the Pci=passthrough, that I couldn't ghet to work in the end. |
| [10:55:29] | Merlin83b: | We used Xen a little bit a good number of years ago. KVM is so much nicer. |
| [10:55:35] | stuarta: | pretty sure that works in kvm now |
| [10:56:47] | jmcentee: | May go down the USBoIP route now, as it now in the mainline kernel. |
| [11:25:01] | jmcentee: | Any recommendations which distro to use for the KVM host. |
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| [11:27:51] | stuarta: | jmcentee: it's in all the major ones now, fedora is the "bleeding edge" as it were, but use whatever takes your fancy |
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| [11:31:19] | jmcentee: | So going with debian over centos 7 I am not going to regret. I now I can't be bothered to upgrade every 6 months to use fedora. |
| [11:31:33] | jmcentee: | /now/know/ |
| [11:32:02] | stuarta: | either jessie or the soon to be released ubuntu 16.04 |
| [11:32:05] | stuarta: | then |
| [11:32:20] | jmcentee: | jessie it is. |
| [11:32:50] | jmcentee: | Does it have to have a Dom0 like Xen? |
| [11:32:58] | stuarta: | bah, i thought i'd logged into my jessie box to check versions |
| [11:33:11] | stuarta: | jmcentee: nope, it's a few kernel modules and the rest is userspace |
| [11:33:45] | stuarta: | so jessie has qemu-kvm 2.1, testing has 2.5 |
| [11:34:29] | stuarta: | http://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page |
| [11:34:41] | stuarta: | good starting point if you want to read about the finer details |
| [11:34:42] | jmcentee: | thanks /already there and reading |
| [11:35:34] | stuarta: | hmm, having properly checked the versions, either debian testing or ubuntu not quite released lts 16.04 |
| [11:36:05] | jmcentee: | OK |
| [11:36:30] | stuarta: | jessie uses a qemu not even listed on the downloads page |
| [11:36:43] | stuarta: | (and there's 4 different versions there) |
| [11:37:03] | stuarta: | i could get quite lost reading https://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php |
| [11:39:31] | ** stuarta ponders if it's possible to install rasbian onto an emulated arm system under qemu.... ** | |
| [11:40:29] | jmcentee: | https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic. . . . &t=37386 |
| [11:40:57] | stuarta: | just found the exact same page |
| [11:41:46] | jmcentee: | when I ask here, people didn't think a buildslave would be much faster. |
| [11:41:53] | jmcentee: | /ask/asked/ |
| [11:42:14] | stuarta: | i have said that based on what i'd heard |
| [11:43:03] | jmcentee: | When I get my new box up and running I may give it a go. |
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| [11:48:59] | stuarta: | might be time to tag rc1 |
| [12:11:30] | stuarta: | to get rid of a stupid number of warnings, we will have to go through this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14717356/x . . . g-literal-fo |
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| [12:52:48] | stuarta: | hmm, the problematic code is old... some of it is still Chutt's |
| [12:53:18] | stuarta: | dammit, it was completely valid when it was written 13 years ago!! |
| [13:07:51] | markspieth: | jmcentee: I use mini-dinstall for my repo which everyone has access to. Updated everytime I build as thats how I update. I do a signdeb (script) first to sign with my key. debian testing based. |
| [13:09:57] | markspieth: | as for arm host building I used scratchbox2 for a native arm vm for unit testing, replaced gcc and other expensive bins with cross compilers. qemu is good like that, can pick the elf type and execute approprately. |
| [13:10:38] | markspieth: | you should be able to bootstrap a raspian install into sb2 |
| [13:12:45] | stuarta: | i note that scratchbox2 is no longer maintained |
| [13:16:12] | markspieth: | been a while but it was good when I used it |
| [13:16:44] | stuarta: | oh it looks quite nice |
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| [13:51:47] | stuarta: | right, time to upgrade the home router os |
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| [14:27:26] | stuarta: | \o/ successful remote upgrade of router |
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| [15:14:05] | peterbennett: | Is it possible the moc pre-processor does not understand #else ? |
| [15:15:17] | stuarta: | extremely unlikely, what's the issue you are seeing? |
| [15:15:19] | peterbennett: | #ifdef and #else in a header file and the class defined by the #else was ignored until I changed it to #ifndef instead |
| [15:15:58] | peterbennett: | mythmainwindow_internal.h |
| [15:16:55] | stuarta: | best bet is to find the compile command for the class, add a -E and change the -o filename from .o to .e That new file will be the results of the preprocessor run, so you can see what was defined and where |
| [15:17:23] | peterbennett: | It has #ifdef USE_OPENGL_QT5 with some stuff the #else with some stuff. I got a vtable missing link error and found that moc generated nothing for the MythPainterWindowGL class |
| [15:18:18] | peterbennett: | It worked as soon as I changed #else to #endif and #ifndef |
| [15:19:35] | stuarta: | you build without opengl? |
| [15:20:02] | peterbennett: | I am building with opengl on mythbuntu mate on raspberry pi |
| [15:20:18] | peterbennett: | Trying to see if open Gl can work |
| [15:20:55] | peterbennett: | USE_OPENGL_PAINTER is defined and USE_OPENGL_QT5 is not |
| [15:22:06] | peterbennett: | Qt 5.4.2 |
| [15:24:14] | peterbennett: | the compiler did find the class and compile it but the MOC failed to find the class, so I think the -E option will show the correct thing |
| [15:28:37] | stuarta: | moc would only fail to find it if the (can't remember what it's called) magic incanation isn't included for the class |
| [15:29:20] | peterbennett: | QOBJECT? |
| [15:29:40] | peterbennett: | Q_OBJECT |
| [15:29:50] | stuarta: | think so |
| [15:30:11] | ** stuarta heads out for a bit ** | |
| [15:30:14] | peterbennett: | Q_OBJECT is there but with the #else failing, the class is derived from something that does not exist |
| [15:30:29] | peterbennett: | So I think MOC just ignored it |
| [15:38:21] | tgm4883: | peterbennett: do you have an updated patch list somewhere? I was thinking of testing a couple of these out |
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| [15:54:05] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: All of the raspberry pi patches are in tickets and in my repo |
| [15:54:36] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: Which ones are you looking for? 0.27 or 0.28 ? |
| [16:02:54] | peterbennett: | tgm4883: ! sent the list privately |
| [16:19:27] | stuartm: | peterbennett: I get a black screen with OpenGL – if you can figure out the why, then that would be great |
| [16:21:48] | stuartm: | once you figure out the compile issue on Mate at least :) |
| [16:22:00] | stuartm: | built just fine on Raspbian |
| [16:23:23] | stuarta: | does the rpi have different endianness from x86_64? |
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| [16:40:38] | stuartm: | Arm is bi-endian (historically little endian, same as x86_64), so assuming the build is sane I'd assume it's little endian and thus the same |
| [16:48:59] | ** stuarta tries to work out how to extract the kernel image from the raspian img ** | |
| [16:54:41] | peterbennett: | stuartm: I will let you know what happens. I am using wily because that has QT 5.4.2. |
| [17:04:11] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: jmcentee: When I ran an emulated arm system (~3GHz x86 host) it ran at the same speed as a real armv7 ~1GHz armv7 system (i.e. an empty ccache build took close to half a day, a "hot" ccache in a bit more than an hour) |
| [17:04:50] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: jmcentee: Others have pointed out that they can do much better if they create/install a cross-compile environment. |
| [17:09:26] | peterbennett: | gary_buhrmaster: That is a lot slower than a real armv7. It takes me 2 hours on a real raspberry pi 2 for complete clean make of mythtv directory |
| [17:09:57] | peterbennett: | gary_buhrmaster: This using a real hard drive instead of the SD card |
| [17:10:36] | gary_buhrmaster: | peterbennett: The RPi 2 is twice as fast, and (if you are using it) multiple processors. |
| [17:11:41] | peterbennett: | gary_buhrmaster: I can only use 2 or 3 processors – otherwise run out of memory. |
| [17:11:43] | gary_buhrmaster: | peterbennett: As with all else, your hardware will vary. And only you can benchmark your particular app. |
| [17:12:37] | gary_buhrmaster: | peterbennett: So, 3 processors at twice the speed. 6x speedup is around right (all order of magnitude). |
| [17:14:03] | stuartm: | peterbennett: out of memory? Strange, I built -j4 on the Pi 3 without issue |
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| [17:15:40] | peterbennett: | stuartm: is the pi 3 also 1 GB ? |
| [17:15:50] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: btw, regarding packaging build testing. As I recall, the rpm packaging is broken. After a (very minor) submission to hobbes1069 regarding the rpmfusion packaging I suggested he pass back the changes to the project. |
| [17:15:57] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: I do not think that happened. |
| [17:24:11] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: I have briefly considered reworking the entire rpm spec file to simplify the structure (and the myriad of available build options that the spec file supports). |
| [17:26:26] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: but as (I presume) some people like to be able to build a package with fine grained build options (like all plugins but not mythgame), I never got motivated enough to do it. |
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| [18:04:12] | stuartm: | peterbennett: yes, it's 1 GB |
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| [18:58:07] | knightr: | done... |
| [19:00:16] | MythBuild: | build #19 of master-osx-64bit is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . it/builds/19 blamelist: Nicolas Riendeau <nriendeau@mythtv.org > |
| [19:02:54] | MythBuild: | build #9 of 0.27-osx-64bit is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.27-osx-64bit/builds/9 blamelist: Nicolas Riendeau <nriendeau@mythtv.org > |
| [19:03:20] | MythBuild: | build #11 of 0.28-osx-64bit is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.28 . . . it/builds/11 blamelist: Nicolas Riendeau <nriendeau@mythtv.org > |
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| [21:43:32] | jpabq: | stuartm: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/03/wester . . . aspberry-pi/ |
| [21:43:49] | stuartm: | heh |
| [21:45:39] | stuartm: | makes a Pi backend a little more compact, though I'm not so interested in that as I am in using it for frontends |
| [21:46:56] | stuartm: | however, could be a great addition to the Pi I'm putting in the car ... will have to look at how it interfaces and whether it will fit in the case I've already bought |
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| [21:51:50] | stuartm: | hmm, no good – larger than the Pi and connection is through a rather bulky usb cable to a standard port – not really a compact solution, the SSD option from the other night was better in that respect, would fit within most existing cases |
| [21:52:40] | jpabq: | How much performance do you loose hooking up a SSD to a Pi? |
| [21:52:53] | stuarta: | degrades to usb performance level |
| [21:53:19] | stuarta: | i say degrades, that's the only way to connect it |
| [21:53:35] | stuartm: | yeah, you wouldn't choose an SSD for speed, but for size and maybe for noise – though a small HDD is going to be nearly silent anyway |
| [21:54:21] | stuartm: | a 1.8" HDD might be a good option, but I don't know if anyone is still making them |
| [21:54:57] | jpabq: | I might still have one — but if so I bet it has a IDE interface. |
| [21:55:46] | jpabq: | I seem to remember having to use an adapter to hook up a standard IDE cable to it. |
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| [22:07:17] | stuartm: | http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/QIG/Global/4079-705156.pdf |
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| [22:08:52] | stuartm: | so I applaud them for embracing the Pi, but I just don't think they put a lot of effort into the design :) |
| [22:10:38] | stuartm: | in fact, what are the chances that they just found a way to re-purpose surplus or old stock USB drives with a custom firmware and slapping on the word Pi? |
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