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| [00:01:09] | MythBuild: | build #2 of 0.28-centos7–64bit is complete: Failure [4failed git_1] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.28 . . . bit/builds/2 blamelist: Paul Harrison <pharrison@mythtv.org > |
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| [01:28:00] | MythBuild: | build #3 of 0.28-centos7–64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.28 . . . bit/builds/3 |
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| [09:11:42] | stuarta: | jmcentee: nice work updating the wiki |
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| [09:31:27] | jmcentee: | I didn't change much really. Just spotted this page though, that seems to contain deuplication. https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Operating_system W |
| [09:31:27] | jmcentee: | should this get a header marking it as old and redirrect to https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages ? |
| [09:37:34] | stuarta: | not without some serious merging, there are plenty of items there that aren't on the packages page |
| [09:37:58] | stuarta: | personally i still think there is a place for a list of OS's vs package |
| [09:40:43] | stuarta: | jmcentee: btw. if you were serious about the centos builder. i could use it. 1 of the overnight builds failed on my centos slave with a git failure, that's normally a sign my disk io is maxed out |
| [09:46:08] | stuarta: | dekarl1: is your freebsd11 arm box still dead? |
| [09:51:15] | stuartm: | hmm, when I've got a third, I should think about a 64bit arm builder |
| [09:52:53] | jmcentee: | stuarta: I will build a CentOS builder in the next few days. |
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| [10:15:28] | stuarta: | jmcentee: much appreciated |
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| [10:18:40] | dekarl-work: | stuarta, is that a spambot that got through? https://forum.mythtv.org/search.php?author_id=1797&sr=posts |
| [10:19:59] | stuarta: | hrm, certainly looks it. i'll disable the account |
| [10:20:14] | dekarl-work: | its promoting protection covers for mobile phones in german |
| [10:21:33] | stuarta: | done |
| [10:23:44] | stuarta: | just noticed paul-h deleted a bunch of posts and blocked some more users for spamming back at the end of jan |
| [10:24:00] | stuarta: | it's good to see everyone is keeping the forum and wiki spam free |
| [10:24:31] | stuarta: | dekarl-work: you should also have sufficient moderation rights to delete and block btw. |
| [10:25:31] | dekarl-work: | stuarta, indeed. now that you mention it. I've only ever used these rights to replace trac links with the trac markup though. |
| [10:25:39] | stuarta: | iirc all "developers" have those rights |
| [10:25:51] | dekarl-work: | Its the first SPAM I saw, so I went all "look, we got a SPAM!" |
| [10:25:51] | stuarta: | +on the forum |
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| [12:29:42] | sphery: | jpabq: I want to remove settings from the "buried in an almost-inaccessible location where user has to change them and then go back to some other location to see what happened, then return to adjust them because it's not what they wanted" settings pages--I want as many as possible to become live settings (that are changed directly where they're used and remembered once changed) |
| [12:30:15] | stuarta: | cunning plan |
| [12:31:39] | Roklobotomy: | cunning like a fox. is there a plan to do something better with MBE settings? |
| [12:32:36] | sphery: | So, for font size adjustment, if we want to do that, make it so that the font size is changed where the font is used (which also means deciding when/where to have separate font size settings--does the guide use the same settings as the menus, etc)... Could even build on dizygoth's ACTION_ZOOMIN/OUT from #12683 (which, perhaps, should be Global instead of TV Frontend) |
| [12:32:36] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12683 ** | |
| [12:35:23] | sphery: | the only settings I want to really remove are the broken settings--i.e. settings that are really just key bindings (i.e. make one key binding do something different for some users--instead, we should have both bindings available and let users choose which one to use or both)--and settings that give completely different behaviors (code paths) for different users (i.e. where we couldn't decide how something should work, so we have a setting and ... |
| [12:35:29] | sphery: | ... then there are bugs that no developer can reproduce because no one realizes that it only occurs when some uncommon setting value is used) |
| [12:36:39] | sphery: | (for example, exactly what happened with the Deleted recgroup before we started using it as a delete queue--there were a bunch of bugs in Deleted handling that didn't surface until we forced all devs to use it, at which point they got fixed) |
| [12:39:13] | sphery: | Roklobotomy: eventually, the backend settings will be accessible through the backend web server, which will allow setting them through a variety of clients--even from within mythfrontend |
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| [14:17:35] | dblain_: | stuarta: regarding Windows (msvc) build slave... I'm slowly working on it, but won't have it working before .28 since it requires refactoring some classes to remove circular deps. I'm also upgrading everything to MSVC 2015 so C++11 won't be as much of an issue (hopefully) |
| [14:17:54] | stuarta: | dblain_: no worries. i knew it was on your radar |
| [14:18:00] | stuarta: | thanks for the update |
| [14:29:06] | tgm4883: | https://lwn.net/Articles/677657/ |
| [14:29:24] | tgm4883: | not sure if that was posted here or not, just ran across this |
| [14:36:16] | tgm4883: | I'd say about 50% of that article is correct |
| [14:42:27] | stuartm: | there's a comment at the end where someone complains about poor signal with linux +tuners – 10:1 that's because the LNA isn't enabled by default on those devices |
| [14:42:58] | stuartm: | which reminds me that I have an incomplete patch somewhere to force the LNA on via the DVB API |
| [14:43:18] | stuartm: | but only a fraction of drivers supported that API ... |
| [14:43:57] | stuartm: | someone really needs to take ownership of v4l :( |
| [14:49:57] | stuarta: | or more to the point completely rewrite v4l and replace with v4l2 |
| [14:50:11] | stuarta: | like we have to do with DVBv3 -> DVBv5 |
| [14:51:57] | stuarta: | i feel a whole device model cleansing coming |
| [14:52:12] | stuarta: | but seriously, wtf do you start... |
| [14:55:22] | stuartm: | maybe I'm getting confused between DVBv3 and v5 but I thought we had already migrated |
| [14:55:37] | stuarta: | nope, the api is completely different |
| [14:56:13] | stuarta: | v3 uses ioctl's on fd's whilst v5 uses dvb objects (for want of a better term and without looking it up) |
| [14:57:00] | stuartm: | oh, guess I really am out of touch |
| [14:57:23] | stuarta: | http://linuxtv.org/docs/libdvbv5/ |
| [14:57:24] | stuartm: | sounds like a fun project |
| [14:58:27] | stuarta: | oh yeah, and we *must* do it for 0.29, as they newer drivers aren't supporting v3 api as well as the older drivers. ie. v5 is the target |
| [14:58:55] | stuarta: | stuff like SNR monitoring which they can get away with not implementing in the v3 compatibility layer |
| [14:59:27] | stuarta: | my dvb-t2 stick for instance, supposedly support SNR monitoring, but the ioctl returns ENOSUPPORTED |
| [14:59:34] | stuartm: | oh, wait, no this is the API I know and we are using it in a few places IIRC, just not entirely |
| [14:59:48] | stuarta: | really? |
| [15:00:03] | stuarta: | i've not seen us use it yet |
| [15:00:26] | stuarta: | "The DVBv3 API was deprecated at the Linux Kernel. Any Kernel since version 3.3 supports the DVBv5 API. |
| [15:00:32] | stuarta: | that concerns me the most |
| [15:00:40] | stuartm: | yeah, we switched to it to get DVB-S2 support and my LNB patch used it |
| [15:01:06] | stuartm: | T2 required DVBv5 etc |
| [15:01:23] | stuartm: | same as our limited ISDB support |
| [15:02:53] | stuartm: | looks like it's advanced considerably though, that userspace library is new ... |
| [15:02:54] | stuarta: | still. i want to put a broom through the lot and ensure we use v5 api throughout |
| [15:03:44] | stuarta: | same with v4l, we partly use v4l2 (in the v4l recorder, and the nvr recorder) yet completely crap it out |
| [15:04:46] | ** stuarta has already opened a tracking ticket for v5 support ** | |
| [15:04:52] | stuartm: | wait ... no, ok this is an entirely new API, they confuse matters by making reference to FE_GET_SET_PROPERTY in the opening blurb |
| [15:05:08] | stuarta: | i thought it was |
| [15:05:15] | stuarta: | glad i'm not going mad |
| [15:06:52] | stuartm: | actually, I'm just hopelessly confused now I re-read it – it clearly seems to state that the FE_GET_SET_PROPERTY ioctl is DVBv5 |
| [15:06:52] | stuarta: | #12638 is for dvbv5 |
| [15:06:52] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12638 ** | |
| [15:07:08] | stuartm: | just not libdvbv5 |
| [15:08:02] | stuartm: | and it's libdvbv5 which is definitely new – a userspace library providing a more user friendly wrapper around the DVBv5 ioctls |
| [15:08:46] | stuartm: | I have clear memories of committing stuff related to the DVBv5 support for DVB-S2 several years back |
| [15:09:55] | stuarta: | i didn't think that was done against v5 |
| [15:09:59] | stuarta: | maybe i'm wrong |
| [15:13:04] | stuartm: | https://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/dvbapi.html << Yeah, it was – FE_GET_PROPERTY and FE_SET_PROPERTY were DVBv5 |
| [15:13:08] | stuartm: | 7b4b3484 mythtv/libs/libmythtv/dvbchannel.cpp (Janne Grunau 2009-08–16 21:35:57 +0000 782) if ((ioctl(fd_frontend, FE_SET_PROPERTY, &cmdseq_clear)) < 0) |
| [15:13:22] | stuartm: | and we've been using it since at least 2009 |
| [15:14:10] | stuartm: | well glad I'm not the one going crazy :) |
| [15:14:44] | stuarta: | i'm having trouble with my grep commands ;-) |
| [15:15:04] | stuartm: | but we still need to add support for some of the newer properties including the new signal monitoring and lnb support |
| [15:15:46] | stuartm: | we've got a mix of older v3 API usage and newer v5 usage |
| [15:16:04] | stuartm: | git blame libs/libmythtv/recorders/ | grep FE_SET_PROPERTY |
| [15:16:06] | stuarta: | yeah, it's not great, and i'm pretty sure that v4l and v4l2 is the same |
| [15:16:15] | stuartm: | git blame libs/libmythtv/recorders/ | grep FE_GET_PROPERTY |
| [15:16:49] | stuartm: | ok, those don't work |
| [15:18:00] | stuarta: | i take a slightly longer approach, of `fgrep -R FE_GET_PROPERTY libs`, then git annotate on the resulting files |
| [15:20:31] | stuartm: | yeah, I did the same, just thought git blame (annotate) would take a directory as an argument and shortcut things – it doesn't |
| [15:20:51] | stuarta: | doh |
| [15:21:11] | stuartm: | we're not using FE_GET but we are using FE_SET |
| [15:21:27] | stuartm: | in exactly two places ... |
| [15:22:01] | stuarta: | i'd like to see us properly collect device capabilities, via either dvbv5 or v4l2, and work up from there |
| [15:22:06] | stuartm: | FE_SET_VOLTAGE and a couple of others are v5 – but I *think* those were carried over from v3 |
| [15:22:19] | stuarta: | most likely |
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| [15:39:37] | stuartm: | btw, if anyone has coverity fixes pending, I'm planning on firing off another build tonight so try to get them in before then |
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| [15:49:32] | dekarl-work: | tgm4883: funny post. would be more interesting if the guy had compared apples to apples though |
| [15:50:07] | dekarl-work: | so its just the usual "I don't want it the MythTV way, but want to beat MythTV into submission so its my way" issues, nothing to see move along |
| [15:50:12] | tgm4883: | dekarl-work: I'd agree that he's missing a bunch, but maybe 30–40% of that is accurate |
| [15:50:30] | stuartm: | he has a very fair point about setup though, and it's hugely disappointing that 0.28 doesn't have a better experience |
| [15:50:40] | tgm4883: | agreed |
| [15:50:51] | dekarl-work: | e.g. just setup two video sources and disable the crap signal, let the scheduler do its thing vs. funky micro management crap |
| [15:51:10] | dekarl-work: | I agree, setup stinks :( |
| [15:51:17] | stuartm: | and all the priority settings – we could live without most of those |
| [15:51:30] | tgm4883: | yea he does show a lack of understanding of mythtv enough that it makes me question his comparison |
| [15:51:40] | dekarl-work: | "but the are knobs to twist, I could not resist!" ;) |
| [15:52:15] | dekarl-work: | setting up mythvidexport to run after the recording is finished isn't rocket science either |
| [15:52:17] | tgm4883: | "That older distribution choice is an artifact of using MythTV; MythTV updates have a nasty habit of breaking in subtle ways—to the point where users are usually advised to only run the service on long-term-support (LTS) releases." |
| [15:52:36] | tgm4883: | AFAIK, that isn't at all true, and certainly isn't why we recommend LTS |
| [15:53:22] | dekarl-work: | also he's completely missing the point of networked frontends that are included in MythTV |
| [15:54:03] | stuartm: | even power users don't really need all of them, most of the time they are attempting to achieve something via a convoluted set of rules – i.e. prefer this tuner because it's HD, instead of setting the 'prefer HD showings' rules (ok, that's a flawed example) |
| [15:55:29] | tgm4883: | dekarl-work: while it does sound like he's talking about a single box setup, he mentions that TVH just dumps the files out to a location and that you need another piece of software to watch them. Which is easily enough networkable. |
| [15:55:38] | stuartm: | and what do those cron jobs of tvheadend do if not call a process to fetch guide data – in which case what's the difference? Why do you peer into that process? |
| [15:56:16] | dekarl-work: | and whats this "there is this magic programme, successor of another magic programme that makes US xmltv files magically appear on the disk" article he refers to? |
| [15:56:21] | tgm4883: | stuartm: inner workings vs outer workings. Without needing to know about tvh, you could debug why a cronjob didn't fire |
| [15:56:25] | stuartm: | the fact is that mythbackend intelligently decides when it needs to run the grabber and that may not be at the same time every day |
| [15:58:03] | jmcentee: | stuarta: Trying to give centos 7 a go. stuck at ansible, any ideas. https://pastee.org/dkn4h |
| [15:58:06] | dekarl-work: | but he's right, initial setup isn't fun. but its not so bad either going from my memories. |
| [15:58:17] | stuartm: | tgm4883: yes and no, you first have to know that's how TVH schedules those jobs :) Then you're just looking at log files, which mythbackend/mythfilldatabase produce including some far more detailed explanations of why they failed |
| [15:58:39] | stuarta: | jmcentee: it's picked the wrong hosts definition. edit the hosts file and comment out all but the first |
| [15:58:58] | stuarta: | that host is meant to only fire on freebsd iirc |
| [15:59:06] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: no, it's bad, and I think it's only become worse since I first setup my boxes many years ago |
| [16:00:48] | stuarta: | we can still back port a lot to 0.28 as we develop it, especially in the webfrontend |
| [16:01:07] | jmcentee: | I don't have /usr/local/bin/python2.7 |
| [16:01:21] | stuarta: | that reminds me, i need to start a discussion on back porting policy for 0.28 |
| [16:01:25] | jmcentee: | it is in /usr/bin/python |
| [16:01:38] | tgm4883: | stuartm: kinda. If it's just farming it out to crontab, I can look at what it's calling, call it myself and look for errors. |
| [16:01:50] | stuartm: | more and more pointless settings, stuff that we could easily auto-setup, storage groups are more complicated from a setup perspective than they need to be – it's not immediately obvious that you need to setup video and music storage groups for example – case in point the user I was helping last week who hadn't configured a video storage group and was storing his videos in the recordings storage group then relying on the storage group fallback |
| [16:01:51] | stuartm: | code to find them |
| [16:02:22] | stuarta: | jmcentee: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1302926 |
| [16:02:26] | jmcentee: | and just a 127.0.0.1 localhost in the hosts file in not working. |
| [16:02:26] | stuarta: | no, not that one |
| [16:02:31] | stuarta: | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/336786/62573314/ |
| [16:03:26] | dekarl-work: | while some say there is no bad press, good press is always better. Is anybody preparing something for 0.28 release? |
| [16:03:37] | ** stuarta nominates dekarl-work ** | |
| [16:04:06] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: you just volunteered yourself |
| [16:04:08] | dekarl-work: | stuarta, I'll files it under "the list" |
| [16:05:07] | jmcentee: | sorry thought you meant /etc/hosts not ansible/hosts working now |
| [16:05:18] | stuarta: | :) |
| [16:05:50] | stuarta: | one day i'll add the extra bits to build the missing perl deps, but for a buildslave it's pretty redundant |
| [16:07:40] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, peeking at the release notes to see if a nice announcement can be crafted from that makes me want to run away screaming :( e.g. "universal icon storage setup" |
| [16:09:41] | dekarl-work: | well, it was the 0.27 release notes that I looked at, but that issues is still there :( |
| [16:11:57] | gary_buhrmaster: | The project needs a spin doctor^W^Wmarketing expert. |
| [16:12:12] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: huh? |
| [16:13:30] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, in retrospect I may have been seein things through rose-coloured glasses. That mention of the universal icon location brought back some memories of mythtv-setup |
| [16:15:08] | stuartm: | ahh |
| [16:17:20] | jmcentee: | stuarta: CentOS7 buildslave looks ready. copied same public/private key from xenial slave. |
| [16:18:10] | stuarta: | hmm, kk |
| [16:18:35] | jmcentee: | unless you want a new key pair |
| [16:18:46] | stuarta: | would prefer it |
| [16:18:52] | jmcentee: | Ok |
| [16:23:56] | stuarta: | sigh, have to restart the buildmaster |
| [16:24:00] | stuarta: | and it's busy |
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| [16:34:21] | jmcentee: | I would keep you centos 7 around of a little while. the centos install on 7 was not smooth. I used xen-tools in a VM to build it in the end. anbd had to reinstall a few rpms os dependances where correctly installed. |
| [16:35:20] | stuarta: | odd, i just booted it under libvirt / qemu and it worked fine |
| [16:37:14] | jmcentee: | my Xen host/Dom0 is old. going to reinstall soon(TM). |
| [16:37:53] | jmcentee: | actually going to fresh install and migrate VMs. |
| [16:37:54] | stuarta: | yeah, xen is old... |
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| [16:52:31] | jmcentee: | not quite as old as mythtv |
| [16:52:36] | stuarta: | heh |
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| [19:27:37] | taylorr: | tgm4883: what is a Kodi theme? an actual theme for Kodi or a MythTV theme that is based off of a Kodi them? |
| [19:28:53] | tgm4883: | Taylorr An actual theme for kodi |
| [19:29:29] | taylorr: | Kodi just released a new theme for their upcoming v17 release called Estuary (https://kodi.tv/a-brand-new-look-for-future-kodi-versions/) |
| [19:30:01] | tgm4883: | Yep I saw that |
| [19:30:53] | tgm4883: | Haven't had a chance to try it yet |
| [19:31:05] | jheizer_: | that looks nice |
| [19:31:41] | jheizer_: | I use kodi on my windows desktop. Be interesting to see a kodi theme from a myth user's perspective. |
| [19:31:50] | taylorr: | tgm4883: I've been running an alpha release of v17 based off this thread on my Braswell box... http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=231955 |
| [19:32:08] | stuartm: | they named it after the muddy, polluted, brackish, slow part of the river that deposits silt all over the bed? |
| [19:32:24] | taylorr: | hehe, I guess they did |
| [19:32:49] | jheizer_: | bababababba |
| [19:34:52] | stuartm: | hmm, I like it though, similar to the direction I was thinking about taking my old concept in when I get time e.g. http://mythtv.co.uk/imagebin/concept%234_video_series.jpg |
| [19:35:09] | stuartm: | vs https://kodi.tv/wp-content/uploads/Estuary-010.jpg |
| [19:35:40] | stuartm: | obviously their finished article looks a lot better than my early experiments |
| [19:37:55] | taylorr: | stuartm: a new theme would be nice... I'm still using Arclight from 5+ years ago :) |
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| [19:39:37] | tgm4883: | stuartm: I like it. |
| [19:40:32] | tgm4883: | taylorr: this is the kodi theme (they call it a skin) that I'm working on http://imgur.com/a/gvohM |
| [19:41:30] | taylorr: | nice... any chance you are going to release a mythtv version too ;) |
| [19:42:24] | tgm4883: | taylorr: I can't do that in mythtv frontend |
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| [19:44:50] | tgm4883: | taylorr: I plan to test the recordings functionality in kodi, if I like it, I'll continue with this skin |
| [19:45:45] | taylorr: | are you thinking of making mythbuntu run kodi as a frontend? |
| [19:46:24] | tgm4883: | Offering it as an option |
| [19:48:03] | taylorr: | ok, cool.... anything that helps get people involved with mythtv is a good thing |
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| [22:29:01] | stuartm: | :( |
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