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| [04:04:25] | austeregrim: | newbe admin... just installed the debian package from multimedia... it's not connecting to the sql db |
| [04:04:46] | austeregrim: | and the docs are very hard to read. |
| [04:06:42] | austeregrim: | I should read the channel topic I suppose huh? |
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| [06:07:28] | gary_buhrmaster: | JohnBergqvist: (in the case you read the logs) 0.27 requires Qt4 (I believe it may be possible to compile with various Qt5 versions, but as I recall, some things do not work properly). |
| [06:08:54] | gary_buhrmaster: | JohnBergqvist: (in the case you read the logs) 0.28 required Qt5 (I believe it may be possible, in some cases, with some enable/disable options to get it to compile with later Qt4, but there have been Qt5 (only) artifacts added, as I recall). |
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| [09:01:15] | stuartm: | you won't get 0.28 working with QT4 |
| [09:02:12] | stuartm: | and vice-versa, 0.27 won't build with QT5 without the potential of breakage – in the past we've had reports of lockups/crashes when people have tried |
| [09:11:48] | stuarta: | well it does build, there is just stuff that mysteriously doesn't work |
| [09:11:56] | stuarta: | and stuff that's not implemented |
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| [09:32:37] | stuartm: | although 0.27 will build against QT5 with qt4 compatibility enabled, it's not as straightforward as that – there were bits and pieces of deprecated QT4 API that the compatibility stuff doesn't support |
| [09:33:23] | stuartm: | basically, all we need to say is that we don't support 0.27 with QT 5 or 0.28 with QT 4 |
| [09:36:38] | stuarta: | much simpler that way |
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| [10:22:14] | ** stuarta tries to work out if there is anything not merged to 0.28 yet ** | |
| [10:22:30] | stuarta: | might also be time to setup the 0.28 builders |
| [10:27:31] | jmcentee: | do I need to do anything, or can you just add 0.28 to my current buildslave? |
| [10:27:53] | jmcentee: | the master-ubuntu-xenial |
| [10:29:01] | jmcentee: | well ubuntu-testing really. |
| [10:31:17] | stuarta: | jmcentee: it's just some config changes on the server side |
| [10:31:25] | stuarta: | then on next push, it'll trigger a build |
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| [10:52:20] | stuarta: | and done, 0.28 builders added |
| [10:55:36] | stuarta: | #10461 |
| [10:55:36] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10461 ** | |
| [10:56:34] | stuarta: | #10043 |
| [10:56:34] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10043 ** | |
| [10:57:18] | stuarta: | #8251 |
| [10:57:18] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8251 ** | |
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| [11:11:12] | stuarta: | stuartm: #12394 looks fixed to me, can you confirm if there was anything else you were planning to do for it? |
| [11:11:12] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12394 ** | |
| [11:15:38] | dekarl: | stuarta, I thought the locking was already merged. It needs a "wait 31s on first failure, but fail on second failure" logic still :/ |
| [11:16:01] | dekarl: | I haven't had time yet to look if a simple "sleep (31*1000)" works for that |
| [11:19:40] | stuarta: | dekarl: i've been doing test merges to 0.28 and that one came up |
| [11:21:25] | stuartm: | as mentioned in the ticket, there were other places where this same crash could occur and those still need to be fixed but since we don't have widespread reports of crashing this isn't a blocker for 0.28 |
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| [11:22:15] | paul-h: | stuarta: done |
| [11:22:17] | stuarta: | paul-h: thanks for the merge |
| [11:23:17] | stuarta: | dekarl: paul-h stuartm reason i'm chasing missing merges is, i'd like to tag RC1 soon |
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| [11:32:04] | ** stuarta ponders trying to process some of the 389 tickets with unknown milestone ** | |
| [11:32:48] | ** stuarta is tempted to create a new milestone, "needs triage" to be the default ** | |
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| [12:01:23] | stuarta: | dekarl: your freebsd11 arm builder is going to be busy as soon as you get it running ;-P |
| [12:04:38] | dekarl: | sounds good, buuut https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-a . . . /013351.html looks like FreeBSD current is broken on all rpi1/rpi2 atm |
| [12:05:16] | dekarl: | I've not dug into what that's about and which snapshot was still working. After all it booted nicely after imaging |
| [12:08:06] | MythBuild: | build #1 of 0.28-ubuntu-lts-64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.28 . . . bit/builds/1 |
| [12:10:46] | MythBuild: | build #1 of 0.28-debian-jessie-64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.28 . . . bit/builds/1 |
| [12:11:03] | stuarta: | those 2 failed git the first time around |
| [12:11:22] | stuarta: | the rest are chugging along nicely |
| [12:12:51] | stuarta: | i on purpose did not include the windows builder in 0.28, as it hasn't built successfully for months |
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| [12:29:27] | jmcentee: | um, 0.28-ubuntu-testing did not report successful completion in irc. |
| [12:29:56] | stuarta: | no, because it went from no builds -> success |
| [12:30:27] | jmcentee: | Ok. |
| [12:30:32] | stuarta: | whilst the 2 that did report, went no builds -> failed git -> success, and it's the failed -> success transistion that generates the message |
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| [12:31:22] | ** stuarta goes to lunch ** | |
| [12:33:22] | jmcentee: | I only raised it, as you said the rest are chugging along nicely after it had finished. |
| [12:38:29] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: stuarta: Re Qt4/5. I agree with the "simple" message. I was just trying to be complete (that, in theory, you might be able to get something to compile; the question was about compile, not actual running). |
| [12:40:42] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: stuarta: and (I thought) there were some patches floating around (from lvr?) that allowed 0.28 to compile with Qt4 (for at least some cases of compile/functionality). |
| [12:41:49] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: stuarta: But except for the hardcore special people, the simple message is going to be best. |
| [12:41:58] | stuartm: | yes there were, we had a disagreement on whether they should be included – he quit when we said we should be looking forward and not making things more complicated |
| [12:57:04] | gary_buhrmaster: | That actually reminds me, should I update the wiki coding standards to suggest that the compiler needs to be C++11 compliant (and that new codes may start utilizing C++11 features/functions)? |
| [12:57:23] | gary_buhrmaster: | I believe the wiki still says the project supports gcc 2.95 (or better). |
| [12:58:34] | gary_buhrmaster: | (I suspect few people actually read that page, but I like to keep it accurate for those that do). |
| [13:02:04] | stuartm: | we should at the very least bump it to gcc 4.x |
| [13:03:16] | stuartm: | I'm not sure about C++11 unless we're certain that the alternate compilers we support have the necessary support – we have/had clang/vs builders |
| [13:12:07] | gary_buhrmaster: | Qt 5.7 requires a C++11 compliant compiler (and Qt 5.7 should be arriving RSN to some distros). gcc 4.7 or better (for Qt 5.7). And I pointed out the other compiler requirements for that in a post to the dev list late last year. |
| [13:14:54] | MythBuild: | build #1 of 0.28-osx-64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.28-osx-64bit/builds/1 |
| [13:15:43] | gary_buhrmaster: | (basically, VS2012, clang 3.1, icc 13.0, gcc 4.7) |
| [13:15:55] | stuarta: | gary_buhrmaster: feel free to update the compiler minimum support pages |
| [13:18:23] | stuarta: | i think it's worth noting the targeted distro support is current & current-1 (so f22, f23) or LTS & current (ubuntu 14.04 & 15.10, soon to be 14.04 & 16.04) |
| [13:18:34] | stuarta: | debian jessie is a minimum |
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| [13:44:17] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuarta: done (for both). Not sure the wording is best, but it is in there. |
| [13:45:28] | gary_buhrmaster: | btw, I could have sworn that someone said (nearly a year ago now?) that the coding standards page was locked so edits were blocked except from the devs (to prevent us users from mucking around with the page). Well, I can edit it, so the lock did not work. |
| [13:52:07] | dizygoth: | gary_buhrmaster: FWIW I did a Qt4 build of 1f389ffc305b7dd683e5c4f6effbdc25ad725814 with 4 lvr patches & reverting the QJson commits of 3rd Jan |
| [13:52:43] | dizygoth: | But I only ran up the FE to confirm the 'settings highlight/focus' issue doesn't occur on Qt4 |
| [13:53:17] | dizygoth: | QUrlQuery is the main problem, the others are one-liners |
| [14:08:59] | stuarta: | dammit, more firewall changes i need todo |
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| [14:28:21] | jmcentee: | stuarta; I am considering updateing the wiki to inculde a statemate about the target distros. Shall I alter the https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Operating_System page. I can't it mentioned anywhere yet. |
| [14:28:35] | stuarta: | jmcentee: sounds like a good idea |
| [14:32:42] | jmcentee: | stuarta: That page is protected. I can't edit it. |
| [14:45:16] | paul-h: | Looks like it's protected to stop users messing with the download links |
| [15:11:39] | stuarta: | maybe we should just create a "target platforms" page? |
| [15:16:31] | gary_buhrmaster: | I am going to suggest that that info is best on the "Operating Systems" page for users (asking users to find or follow multiple pages is not friendly). Even if that means only one of the wiki admins can update it. |
| [15:17:01] | jmcentee: | I agree. |
| [15:17:35] | gary_buhrmaster: | If one is generic enough (for debian, "stable", fedora "current" and "current-1", ubuntu "current" and "LTS") it should never have to be updated. |
| [15:18:18] | jmcentee: | Also Mandriva was discontinuted last year. Therefore I suggest it should be removed from the "Operating Systems" page. |
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| [15:19:01] | stuarta: | stuartm: aren't you still using mandriva? |
| [15:19:16] | paul-h: | It would be polite to ask Peter Bennett what he thinks since he has spent a lot of time and effort revamping the user manual on the wiki |
| [15:19:17] | gary_buhrmaster: | (and given that the wiki tends to get updated closer to "never" than "every distro release date", it is probably the right approach. Even better if you can point to the distro's "current" list of supported versions). |
| [15:22:11] | gary_buhrmaster: | paul-h: Good thought. I admit I tend to spend little time in the wiki these days (and when I do, it tends to go towards a few specific (advanced/development) topics). |
| [15:23:04] | jmcentee: | Does Peter Bennett come in here? |
| [15:23:17] | stuarta: | yes |
| [15:23:42] | jmcentee: | I will try to catch him when he does then. |
| [15:25:49] | stuartm: | stuarta: Mageia, which is the user driven offshot from Mandriva |
| [15:26:06] | stuartm: | s/user/community/ |
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| [15:39:22] | stuarta: | paul-h: your latest commit is certainly worthy of 0.28 |
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| [15:42:08] | dekarl: | gary_buhrmaster: no qt4 for 0.28+ please. there are partial patches that are unsupported. better kill them from your memory before wasting more time on it ;) |
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| [15:44:06] | dekarl: | wrt c++11 some of the newer features are not supported by the compiler of debian oldoldstable and thereabout, but in general all supported platforms support the majority of c++11 features. We don't have to start and rip out every working code just to try if the C++11 support of all compilers is bug free though ;) |
| [15:45:02] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: I have no interest in Qt4 for .28+ (and would discourage even thinking about them, but there will always be those that want to cling to the legacy). |
| [15:46:01] | stuarta: | dekarl: i'm drawing the line for debian at a minimum of jessie |
| [15:46:07] | gary_buhrmaster: | dekarl: Is debian "oldstable" (wheezy?) even (officially) supported by Myth? I though stuarta said "stable" or better for debian? |
| [15:46:22] | jpabq: | c++11 required for 0.29, but not 0.28? Is that the current thinking? |
| [15:46:59] | dekarl: | no C++11 is already required for 0.28 but only some minor functions iirc |
| [15:47:24] | dekarl: | I think we applied patches to compile with compilers with marginal C++11 supports |
| [15:47:34] | stuarta: | i thought we converted the 1 or 2 c++11 syntax items back to something compatible |
| [15:47:42] | gary_buhrmaster: | Regardless of what your plans are, Qt 5.7 (supposedly in Alpha now, but slipping in real time) requires C++11, so in practice, by the time 0.29 is ready, you are going to be there anyway. |
| [15:47:46] | jpabq: | That is what I though, but then I saw a commit to change "using blah = string;" back to a "#define"... |
| [15:48:01] | stuarta: | jpabq: i saw the same commit |
| [15:48:14] | dekarl: | I have to look it up if it was "newish c++11 to established c++11" or "c++11 to plain c++" |
| [15:50:00] | jpabq: | Wouldn't "newish" c++11 be c++14? Or, is it a matter of how much of the c++11 spec different compilers/distributions support? |
| [15:50:16] | dekarl: | jpabq: the latter |
| [15:50:41] | stuarta: | what we target will be governed primarily by the platform set we target |
| [15:50:41] | dekarl: | e.g. https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html |
| [15:54:20] | stuarta: | we can't target a newer c++ spec, if the compilers in the distros we use don't support it |
| [15:54:57] | gigem: | stuarta: I'm not completely sure that #8251 is fixed yet. That's also why I hadn't merged it to fixes/0.28. |
| [15:54:57] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8251 ** | |
| [15:54:59] | dekarl: | we will have full plates once we decide to actually removed everything that is deprecated in our minimum QT version. So lets not worry about that to much |
| [15:56:03] | stuarta: | gigem: well, if we hear otherwise, we can fix it then |
| [15:56:09] | jpabq: | Ok, so we need to decide which version of gcc (or clang) is the maximum version to target for 0.28. Then, to keep buildslave errors to a minimum, I would need to install that version on my dev box. |
| [15:56:35] | stuarta: | jpabq: use whatever comes by default with your distro of choice |
| [15:57:02] | jpabq: | My dev box has gcc 5.3.1 |
| [15:57:48] | stuarta: | the current distro set as i see it. f22, f23, debian jessie + debian (next), ubuntu 14.04 & 16.04, freebsd10+ |
| [15:57:57] | stuarta: | +osx recent |
| [15:58:09] | gigem: | stuarta: Okay, I'll direct any new reports to you. :) |
| [15:58:17] | stuarta: | :-p |
| [15:58:33] | stuarta: | jpabq: what distro? |
| [15:59:13] | stuarta: | i see 5.3.1 on ubuntu 16.04 and f23 |
| [15:59:56] | stuarta: | we have FreeBSD clang version 3.4.1 as well |
| [16:00:15] | stuarta: | btw. i fixed the version script, so you can pull current compiler versions from the build logs |
| [16:01:14] | stuarta: | i also have an archlinux builder |
| [16:02:39] | stuarta: | ubuntu current = 15.10 has gcc 5.2.1 and qt 5.4.2 |
| [16:03:12] | stuarta: | jessie has gcc-4.9.2 and qt 5.3.2 |
| [16:03:46] | stuarta: | interesting centos7 has gcc-4.8.5 and qt 5.5.1 |
| [16:04:45] | stuarta: | ubuntu 14.04 (lts) has gcc-4.8.4 and qt 5.2.1 |
| [16:04:53] | stuarta: | so that's the oldest set |
| [16:04:55] | stuarta: | so far |
| [16:07:28] | stuarta: | so ubuntu 14.04 is our oldest compiler & qt combo |
| [16:07:56] | jpabq: | So you have a ubuntu 14.04 buildslave? |
| [16:08:59] | stuarta: | yes, although jheizer_ is running the one currently connected to the build network |
| [16:09:43] | stuarta: | and dekarl has it running on an arm board |
| [16:09:57] | stuarta: | https://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/buildslaves |
| [16:10:07] | jpabq: | The 'waterfall' doesn't list the dist version #. |
| [16:10:17] | jpabq: | Ah. Thanks. |
| [16:11:35] | stuarta: | the automatic buildslave startup scripts put `lsb_release -a` or equivalent into the buildslave info |
| [16:11:43] | stuarta: | so following that link can be useful |
| [16:12:51] | stuarta: | the current buildbot/console looks nice too |
| [16:13:52] | jmcentee: | Do you want a Centos 7 buildslave so you have warning when the build inevitably breaks. |
| [16:14:12] | stuarta: | we have one, another is always welcome. then i can shift some load off my host |
| [16:15:31] | stuarta: | my host is currently running 6 slaves >8–0 |
| [16:15:51] | jmcentee: | I must bed going mad. |
| [16:16:04] | stuarta: | https://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/buildslaves/ . . . entos7-64bit |
| [16:16:24] | jmcentee: | yes I can see it now. missed it when I looked. |
| [16:16:32] | ** stuarta prescribes coffee++ ** | |
| [16:17:26] | ** jmcentee goes to the kitchen. ** | |
| [16:17:43] | jpabq: | Commit 1a384af3e75 says it was to fix compilation on gcc 4.6, but does not list what distribution that was with. |
| [16:18:35] | jheizer_: | reminded me to reboot my pi |
| [16:18:45] | jheizer_: | though it'll be back down for a day or so at some point |
| [16:18:54] | jheizer_: | have a new PSU coming for my server now. |
| [16:18:59] | jheizer_ is now known as jheizer | |
| [16:19:43] | jpabq: | Who is Timothy Pearson? |
| [16:20:02] | stuarta: | somebody forgot to do a signed-off-by |
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| [16:57:08] | dekarl: | stuarta, so should we have milestones like "the list" (for stuff that we agree we will do some day when there is nothing more important to do) and "feature wonderland" (for stuff that we agree would be nice, but we are not going to do it ourselves)? |
| [16:57:43] | stuarta: | i have no idea, i just know that the never ending "unknown" milestone bugs the hell out of me |
| [16:58:06] | stuarta: | although, that is a good suggestion |
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| [17:07:11] | peterbennett2: | jmcentee: paulh: I hear tere was discussion about the operating systemd page |
| [17:08:42] | jmcentee: | Yes, I was thinking of making changes. |
| [17:09:08] | jmcentee: | but I don't have edit rights. |
| [17:09:45] | jmcentee: | Seems like the best place to detail the distros and versions the developer target. |
| [17:09:56] | peterbennett2: | Likely it is because people may mess with the links |
| [17:10:35] | jmcentee: | enyc, does not like the deb-multimedia package for debian either. |
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| [17:11:37] | peterbennett2: | I have no problem with you updating the page, I can update it but I don't have the ability to grant permission to you to do that. |
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| [17:12:07] | jmcentee: | I was suggesting removing Mandriva as well as the is no longer produced |
| [17:12:43] | peterbennett2: | makes sense |
| [17:16:05] | jmcentee: | looking through chat log I will just change Mandriva to Mageia |
| [17:16:11] | peterbennett2: | Actually I can grant permission to you |
| [17:16:26] | jmcentee: | Ooh, |
| [17:17:25] | peterbennett2: | I can allow updates for all users for some time then it will expire |
| [17:17:27] | jmcentee: | the windows link points to an old version as well, 0.25.4 |
| [17:17:36] | peterbennett2: | How long do you need? |
| [17:18:18] | dekarl: | what is the problem with dmo packaging? no python bindings? (I see close to zero Debian at Smolt, so something is likely wrong there) |
| [17:18:31] | dekarl: | and why doesn't dmo simply use our debian packaging? NiH? |
| [17:19:25] | jmcentee: | um, I need to go home now, eat and put kids to bed. So probably need access in 4 hours time, but only for an hour. |
| [17:19:44] | peterbennett2: | I will make it for 1 day. |
| [17:21:23] | jmcentee: | dekarl: enyc would best answer you. I think it is they way he does it, and does not like the result. |
| [17:24:16] | peterbennett2: | jmcentee: I unlocked that page. email me when you are done updating (pgbennett at comcast.net) |
| [17:24:24] | jmcentee: | or from https://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2014-08-10 |
| [17:24:55] | jmcentee: | dekarl: "The Debian maintainers tried to fix the problem by replacing the aligned suhosin_config variable with a pointer." why do packagers "fix" security features? |
| [17:25:24] | jmcentee: | dekarl: what a joke, debian – masters of breaking stuff with local patches – tell us to "try to upstream again"... |
| [17:26:12] | jmcentee: | dekarl: Seems like you have had an issue with the dmo packages in the past. |
| [17:27:09] | jmcentee: | can't find what enyc said at the moment. |
| [17:28:25] | jmcentee: | peterbennett2: I will e-mail when finished |
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| [18:22:03] | dekarl: | I agree there is some irony in that |
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| [19:46:51] | cbovy: | peterbennett: I've tested your raspi/0.27 branch. It is working on my end with Pi3. Thanks for some improvements. |
| [19:48:20] | peterbennett: | cbovy: Good – I am working on creating a true deb package for it. Also there is one more improvement on the OSD side that is not in there yet. |
| [19:49:00] | cbovy: | peterbennett: happy to test. I've now build it using the mythbuild.sh script. I'm running in X at the moment, in raspbian. |
| [19:50:06] | peterbennett: | did you pull from the bennettpeter repo and build? |
| [19:50:16] | cbovy: | yes. |
| [19:51:17] | peterbennett: | I am now building on the raspberry pi and doing away with the custom built QT – making it simplet |
| [19:51:22] | peterbennett: | *simpler |
| [19:52:02] | cbovy: | yeah, that was one of my questions. Why is mythbuild building QT? |
| [19:53:22] | peterbennett: | It is because wheezy only had qt 4 and it needs qt 5. |
| [19:53:31] | peterbennett: | But jessie already has qt 5 |
| [19:58:48] | cbovy: | fyi: I'm using mythbuntu theme. |
| [19:59:46] | cbovy: | is there much difference between 0.28 and your raspi/0.27 branch regarding Pi support/features? |
| [20:00:37] | peterbennett: | cbovy: I did not advertise the bennettpeter repo, how did you find it? |
| [20:01:33] | cbovy: | I think you did on the mailinglist. :-) |
| [20:02:22] | peterbennett: | the bennettpeter master branch (0.28) has the same Raspberry pi stuff as the bennettpeter raspi/0.27 |
| [20:02:38] | peterbennett: | The MythTV 0.28 is a bit behind in raspberry pi stuff |
| [20:02:46] | cbovy: | ah ok. thanks |
| [20:03:03] | peterbennett: | Oh yes I did mention where it was in teh email :) |
| [20:03:29] | cbovy: | I'm impressed about the quality so far. |
| [20:04:14] | peterbennett: | Good – let me know of any problems. |
| [20:04:21] | cbovy: | I'm only experiencing some delays in the Recordings list, moving through the list (using fanart). |
| [20:04:55] | peterbennett: | Scrolling up and down is slow? |
| [20:05:09] | cbovy: | yes, some artifacts for half a second. |
| [20:05:35] | peterbennett: | Maybe something to do with the theme? |
| [20:05:49] | jpabq: | stuartm, peterbennett, cbovy: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-find-out-r . . . ure-command/ |
| [20:05:52] | peterbennett: | Does it happen with other themes? |
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| [20:06:12] | cbovy: | peterbennett: let me check. |
| [20:07:04] | peterbennett: | jqabq: I am not overclocking so I think that should not concern me |
| [20:07:52] | jpabq: | peterbennett: that was just a FYI, in case it might be useful. I don't even own a Pi. |
| [20:09:06] | peterbennett: | I have temp=44.4'C |
| [20:09:46] | cbovy: | same here. :-) |
| [20:10:23] | cbovy: | peterbennett: now using Terra, which seems more stable (or less screen updates). |
| [20:11:28] | peterbennett: | I do not like Terra. I use Steppes |
| [20:11:59] | jpabq: | peterbennett: I will take that as a complement ;-) |
| [20:12:54] | peterbennett: | Oh, that is yours? – It is the best – thank you! |
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| [20:13:50] | jpabq: | Yes, Steppes is mine. If you find anything you want changed feel free to ask me for it. I have not made much in the way of changes in a very long time. |
| [20:14:06] | stuartm: | jpabq: yeah, I've been montioring the temp from time to time, tends to idle around 44 as Peter mentioned, I've not had overtemp warnings at any point |
| [20:14:49] | stuartm: | although until today it wasn't in a case |
| [20:15:01] | jpabq: | stuartm: good. If the Pi had the ability to do interlacing well, I might consider one. |
| [20:15:22] | stuartm: | peterbennett: I take that as a slight (just kidding, I don't like Terra either) |
| [20:15:53] | jpabq: | stuartm: whatever happen to your new theme? Just ENOTIME? |
| [20:16:34] | peterbennett: | jpabq: Since you offered, I would like a version with larger font for small TVs. I am using media center for them. |
| [20:17:00] | stuartm: | yeah, in most respects it's a respectable frontend – especially for the size + price, but it's just a little sluggish (Pi 3) and though I sometimes think I'm imaginging it, the picture quality just isn't as good as it should be |
| [20:17:23] | jpabq: | peterbennett: how much larger? Most of the font sizes I made as big as I could without them looking ugly and taking up too much space. |
| [20:18:29] | stuartm: | jpabq: yeah, no time and also too much time – I started to have better ideas and dislike some aspects of the design. |
| [20:19:00] | jpabq: | One of my goals with Steppes, was to allow for alternate languages such as greek and russian. That was tricky to achieve because greek words tend to be much longer than english. |
| [20:19:06] | stuartm: | when I have the motivation I'll probably canablise what I already have and start again |
| [20:19:12] | peterbennett: | jpaqb: the size they are in MythCenter |
| [20:20:47] | peterbennett: | stuartm: what is the situation regarding my tickets for the raspberry pi updates? Will they get committed to the main code base? Is there a process? |
| [20:21:50] | jpabq: | I would probably be more tempted to add a font size adjustment setting to mythfrontend. Take whatever the theme defines and adjust it by X. sphery would complain loudly about that, though — he wants to remove settings, not add more. |
| [20:21:53] | peterbennett: | jqapb: It may not be practical, Steppes have much more information and it would not fit in with bigger font |
| [20:25:07] | stuartm: | peterbennett: yes they'll get merged, but I'm just not going to have time to review/test them until the weekend |
| [20:25:08] | jpabq: | peterbennett: all the fonts and their sizes are defined near the top of base.xml. You could play around and see if you can come up with something that works for you. |
| [20:25:27] | stuartm: | I will try hard to get them into 0.28 |
| [20:26:46] | peterbennett: | stuartm: Anything I can do to help with that? I suppose you have to be very careful that bugs or junk do not get committed. |
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| [20:29:04] | peterbennett: | jpabq: Yes I thought of playing with the fonts, but I was concerned that it would throw off the whole layout, the rows will have to get fatter and I don't know if that will happen. |
| [20:30:21] | stuartm: | mostly it's a case of making sure there are no regressions – the patch doesn't make things worse for other platforms for example and general code quality/cleanliness |
| [20:30:31] | jpabq: | peterbennett: it will work to an extent — because I designed it to work with other languages (with longer words), the theme is designed to auto-adjust — at least for the width. The problem would be the height. |
| [20:32:39] | tgm4883: | I'm not sure I'll be doing another mythtv theme, and the mythbuntu theme is in what I would call "Maintenance mode" |
| [20:34:14] | tgm4883: | I think mythui would probably need another rewrite |
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| [20:42:53] | jpabq: | tgm4883: Mythbuntu is still the most popular by a wide margin, right? So you probably don't need to do anything more than maintain it. |
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| [20:43:42] | tgm4883: | jpabq: yea it is |
| [20:44:03] | tgm4883: | jpabq: i'm still looking at doing the kodi theme |
| [20:44:21] | tgm4883: | going to start working on the recordings screen |
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| [22:42:49] | jmcentee: | I have made some changes to https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages (targeted OS and added FreeBSD, let me know of my errors. |
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