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| [01:21:13] | dani_: | hi guys... look, i bought a pci TV tuner card for my desktop.... the thing is is that my desktop doesnt actually have pci slot. only pci Express x1 and x16 |
| [01:21:28] | dani_: | can anyone recommend a tv card that will work out of the box? |
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| [03:23:28] | gary_buhrmaster: | dani_: I suspect that question is more likely to get an answer on the users channel (see the topic for this channel), as MythTV uses the Linux APIs, which are device interface type agnostic, |
| [03:24:04] | gary_buhrmaster: | dani_: and you are likely to get different viewpoints from the users that are actually using different cards. However, TBH, last I checked, that channel was quiet too. |
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| [04:10:21] | dani_: | cheers for the response gary_buhrmaster |
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| [11:02:42] | dekarl: | jpabq: I'm going through warnings, is this change ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14799994/ |
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| [16:58:07] | enyc: | MythBuntu detailed question in general — what can I expect // not_expect in terms of persistent naming of /dev/dvb devices and MythTV tuner connections? — if I'm manually building the jlaves driver for a dvb-t2 tuner..... and rebooting... will it screw up the order of the existing /dev/dvb devices and break everything etc, or is there some sort of persistent-naming-in-udev or persistent-device-type- |
| [16:58:13] | enyc: | detection built into mythtv-backend? |
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| [17:17:39] | dekarl: | enyc: you have to lock them down manually, e.g. with adapter_no parameters and the like |
| [17:20:30] | enyc: | dekarl: ooooooooh howso? is there a wiki article ? |
| [17:20:36] | enyc: | dekarl: udev level? |
| [17:22:18] | enyc: | ideally i want this specific fiddly dvb-t2 tuner to have some high numbre like dvb7 or something and the others dvb0-dvb2 don't really matter, they are all equivalent |
| [17:25:16] | enyc: | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Device_Filenames_and_udev |
| [18:33:48] | ** enyc tries just creating order of devices in /etc/modules =) ** | |
| [19:18:25] | stuartm: | enyc: that won't work – you need to specify the adapter in /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf |
| [19:18:27] | stuartm: | options dvb_usb_dib0700 force_lna_activation=1 adapter_nr=1,2 |
| [19:18:28] | stuartm: | options cx88-dvb adapter_nr=0 |
| [19:18:54] | stuartm: | it's a royal pain, but it works |
| [19:21:07] | enyc: | stuartm: ooooooooooh |
| [19:21:35] | enyc: | stuartm: i noticed its not consistent, and was then looking into udev rules for symlinks , have that half-completed |
| [19:21:55] | enyc: | stuartm: not yet sure if i will have trouble with the cx88-dvb pci cards being 'the same' |
| [19:22:17] | enyc: | stuartm: (i have two kworld/vstream dvb-t PCI cards) , though I guess I can use PCI-IDs to distinguish |
| [19:23:06] | stuartm: | udev rules are even more of a pain and I've never had the patience since adapter_nr works for my cases |
| [19:23:25] | stuartm: | but if you have different cards with the same driver, then you may need udev instead |
| [19:25:12] | enyc: | aaaaaah ok now I also see what the adapter_no dekarl menitonde was about |
| [19:25:43] | enyc: | thankyou |
| [19:25:58] | enyc: | is that adapter_nr= argument REALLY the same for all drivers ? |
| [19:26:52] | enyc: | for some reason my Kworld ub499–2t only ever appears as a single adapter, even if it can supposedly do dual dvb-t =( |
| [19:27:07] | enyc: | whereas the pci-e dvb-t2 card ACTUALLY appears as 2 adapters that can be tuned separately |
| [19:30:47] | dekarl: | enyc, back. For my boards (three kinds) it was the same parameter. IIRC we've been brainstorming alternatives some years ago. Like locking to the MAC address, but that didn't work for reasons like one MAC address being shared by two adapters on the same board and similar stuff. So nothing got ever implemented. |
| [19:31:33] | enyc: | dekarl: hrrm.... i think a halfway-house solution would be a good idea nonetheless |
| [19:35:17] | stuartm: | it could be done effectively for most cases but it would involve a combination of approaches to uniquely identify each adapter, we can't rely on just one |
| [19:36:50] | stuartm: | the complexity of implementation and especially testing meant that nothing has come of the plans yet |
| [19:37:32] | enyc: | nods |
| [19:38:03] | enyc: | i wonder what happened when ethernet interfaces got a persistent-naming-scheme etc |
| [19:38:19] | stuartm: | at least for digital sources, my favourite was just tuning each adapter on startup (we already do it) and checking the network ids – again not always enough on it's own, but it would be a big clue |
| [19:38:46] | enyc: | interesting idea, within mythtv you mean? |
| [19:39:40] | stuartm: | yes, so even if the adapters switch at the device level MythTV would be able to correctly identify which was which |
| [19:39:54] | enyc: | i was more thinking, wider, if its' just possible to get a udev(or systemd-take-over-the-world or whatever it is now) ruleset similar to the udev persistent net rules to do what it can to persist names |
| [19:40:00] | enyc: | stuartm: makes sense |
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| [19:41:22] | stuartm: | well udev ruleset may be possible, but there's still a likelihood that those rules would need adjusting as new devices became available which wouldn't be as robust |
| [19:42:16] | enyc: | yes |
| [19:42:17] | enyc: | i see |
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| [21:03:54] | markspieth: | enyc: I use a script before mythbackend is launched to find the usb types (yes pcie cards appear as usb) and then rename the cards table to match what it finds, then start mythbackend. Works well for me for 3 types of card, 2 types of T and 1 S. |
| [21:11:34] | enyc: | markspieth: interesting idea =) |
| [21:11:48] | enyc: | markspieth: for my particular use I'm JUST about to do the options of modules loading |
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| [21:12:41] | markspieth: | whatever works is good enough |
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| [21:13:54] | markspieth: | it was difficult for me to tell the tbs T and S cards apart as they use the same driver. |
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| [21:14:34] | enyc: | markspieth: i do have 2 idenical cards using same driver, but they are in the same aerial feed so it makes no difference which way round they are |
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| [21:21:03] | markspieth: | enyc: I have that too but the T and S cards were the killer |
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| [21:31:38] | enyc: | options cx88_dvb adapter_nr=0,1 |
| [21:31:38] | enyc: | options dvb_usb_af9035 adapter_nr=2 |
| [21:31:38] | enyc: | options saa716x_core adapter_nr=6,7 |
| [21:31:44] | enyc: | i wonder if this is the right idea |
| [21:32:07] | enyc: | finally searched with 'strings' and found i've got the right modules, the saa716x_budget didn't have it, needed to be in _core .... |
| [21:32:26] | enyc: | deliberately left a gap in the numbers there |
| [21:55:05] | dekarl: | stuartm, I think CID 1271769 really is a false positive, as we pass the optional length so strlen isn't called to find the (potentially missing) null termination. I'm not sure if read() can return -1 though |
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| [22:18:00] | jya: | is Qt 5 a must now to build myth? |
| [22:18:28] | jya: | reason I ask is if I still need to worry about Qt < 5 (work around for slow sort) |
| [22:22:13] | dekarl: | yes, QT5.2 is the minimum version for master / 0.28 https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=714 |
| [22:52:30] | gregbert: | what logging level do i need to be at to see when myth flags commercials? i want to verify it is actually happening after the transcode and not before |
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