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| [02:00:16] | knightr: | dekarl, go ahead... |
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| [03:41:52] | Hydr0p0nX: | If you need a tester for an android/fire tv/RPi2 mythfrontend, i'll volunteer |
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| [08:08:08] | dekarl: | tgm4883: wondering if we should just ship the omx headers in external, like others do. But I don't know enough about their concepts to understand if that allows to build against the generic API and then run with any implementation (mostly bellagio and raspberry right now). How do the libraries get linked to? |
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| [09:11:08] | stuarta: | dekarl1: you would need to dynamically load the library, a bit like we do for egl libs |
| [09:11:16] | stuarta: | it could be a world of pain |
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| [09:50:36] | stuarta: | stuartm: how difficult would it be to make the websocket port (backend_port + 10) rather than a hard coded value? |
| [09:52:43] | dekarl: | websocket port == backend web interface / service API port? |
| [09:53:00] | stuarta: | backend web interface uses it |
| [09:53:24] | stuartm: | stuarta: I thought I'd already done that – but if not, it would be simple |
| [09:53:29] | dekarl: | I vaguely remember stuartm hinting that the idea was to have one port that does both |
| [09:53:34] | stuarta: | thought so |
| [09:53:59] | stuartm: | ultimately though, they should use the same port – it was just a matter of convenience to use different ports in the initial implementation |
| [09:54:30] | stuarta: | stuartm: it definitely doesn't do it now, my master backend is still using 6554, when it's normal port is set to 7543 |
| [09:54:52] | stuartm: | dekarl: websocket uses the websocket protocol – not http, however it's setup by an HTTP negotiation |
| [09:55:07] | stuartm: | stuarta: ok, maybe I never committed that |
| [09:55:09] | stuarta: | so we can move to that for 0.29 ?? |
| [09:55:24] | stuartm: | the single port? yes |
| [09:55:38] | stuartm: | I'll make the change to use +10 for 0.28 |
| [09:55:39] | stuarta: | the single port, yes that was what i was suggesting |
| [09:55:47] | stuarta: | stuartm: excellent thanks |
| [09:58:22] | dekarl: | stuartm, yes, that was my understanding. You have one tcp-port that can internally handle multiple different protocols. e.g. HTTP and WS on port 80 and HTTPS and WSS on port 443 (for the sake of firewalls) |
| [09:59:19] | stuarta: | dekarl: tbh, you wouldn't run it on 80/443 because all webservers default to that |
| [09:59:19] | dekarl: | anyway, since you are present yourself, theres no need for me to play chinese whispers ;) |
| [10:00:33] | ** stuarta adds a 0.29 milestone into trac with an arbitrary completion date of 1st August ** | |
| [10:08:05] | stuarta: | few js libraries in the backend webserver that could do with updating, but that's a job for another time |
| [10:11:51] | stuartm: | well I was trying to get away from using some of those third party libs, although they may be replace with others so at the end of the day ... |
| [10:12:19] | stuarta: | i'll leave the decisions up to you. i have no idea what i'm doing in that area |
| [10:12:42] | stuarta: | although i'm learning with my experiments for replacing services |
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| [12:22:30] | dekarl: | <3 multiple copies of the startup script/configuration installed in parallel for upstart and systemd... edit one and wonder why the others is not picking it up... |
| [12:28:01] | dekarl: | stuarta, are all you recent UK EIT fixups in? https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1207 <- I remember hearing about that, but can't find it in the code |
| [12:28:24] | dekarl: | that's title="New" subtitle="Actual title" |
| [12:29:06] | stuarta: | i've still seem some oddities where new isn't being cleared out, despite the fact that the fixup is supposedly being run |
| [12:29:10] | stuarta: | *seen |
| [12:29:20] | stuarta: | never got to the bottom of why |
| [12:45:04] | stuarta: | #11562 |
| [12:45:04] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11562 ** | |
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| [15:13:27] | tgm4883: | dekarl: lawrence says we need to include both locations, so I'm doing another build now |
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| [15:15:58] | dekarl: | tgm4883: I saw that. Feels a bit like Whac-A-Mole |
| [15:16:34] | tgm4883: | dekarl: yea. I think it's due to the location of the rpi omx libraries |
| [15:17:21] | dekarl: | tgm4883: https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12587 <- is a surprise for me, I thought I saw both scripts |
| [15:17:48] | tgm4883: | I was working on this last night |
| [15:17:56] | tgm4883: | well, i've got tickets for it too |
| [15:18:05] | tgm4883: | but it does in fact have a systemd script |
| [15:18:26] | tgm4883: | there does seem to be some issues surrounding mysql and the mythtv database though |
| [15:20:07] | tgm4883: | I'm running the exact same packages in 16.04 (from the 5th) and I've got the service file installed |
| [15:20:32] | tgm4883: | It just doesn't 1) Start at boot, and B) Start at all without massaging both mysql and the database |
| [15:21:13] | tgm4883: | dekarl: new rpi2 build running https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/ubu . . . uild/8820259 |
| [15:22:09] | dekarl: | Hydr0p0nX: try www.amazon.de/Daniel-Frey-MythTV-Player/dp/B01AAXMSMY/ :D |
| [15:23:00] | tgm4883: | I think we need to do another SQL export for our packaging |
| [15:23:29] | tgm4883: | Unless.. Are there mythtv database provisions functions yet? |
| [15:23:34] | tgm4883: | in 0.28 |
| [15:25:03] | stuarta: | tgm4883: nope, never got around to it |
| [15:25:09] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [15:25:17] | tgm4883: | then we'll need to do another sql export |
| [15:26:28] | tgm4883: | I think that will fix the issue with it not starting |
| [15:26:42] | tgm4883: | Although I'll still have the bind issue in mysql |
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| [15:27:48] | tgm4883: | unfortunately I'm not aware of a good fix for that one |
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| [15:44:55] | tgm4883: | What do you guys think about logging in systemd. Currently we output to log files in /var/log/mythtv/ but systemd has there whole journalctl stuff |
| [15:45:03] | tgm4883: | Looking at it now, we |
| [15:45:11] | tgm4883: | are actually outputing to both on 16.04 |
| [15:46:13] | tgm4883: | dekarl: can you link to a downstream bug in mythtv bug tracker? |
| [15:46:17] | tgm4883: | You could link that bug to https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1442773 |
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| [15:48:33] | stuarta: | tgm4883: imho if systemd is in play, it's potentially easier to just log to systemd |
| [15:49:25] | tgm4883: | stuarta: I'm just getting familiar with systemd. It's definitely logging there as well |
| [15:49:30] | tgm4883: | but how do you pull those logs? |
| [15:49:37] | stuarta: | journalctl |
| [15:50:01] | stuarta: | lots of options you can give that |
| [15:50:08] | stuarta: | --since=today |
| [15:50:29] | stuarta: | you can specify the program you are interested in |
| [15:50:32] | tgm4883: | journalctl mythtv-backend? |
| [15:50:54] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [15:50:55] | tgm4883: | unit |
| [15:51:02] | tgm4883: | journalctl -u mythtv-backend |
| [15:51:09] | stuarta: | can't remember the syntax off the top of my head, but yes it's a "unit" |
| [15:51:35] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [15:51:49] | tgm4883: | I wonder if we should change frontend stuff then? |
| [15:51:56] | tgm4883: | maybe have systemd launch the frontend? |
| [15:52:18] | tgm4883: | That would simplify the restarting process |
| [15:52:29] | tgm4883: | and keep the logs in the same location |
| [15:53:50] | stuarta: | unsure how you would start the frontend, would it not need to be started under an xsession of some sort? |
| [15:54:40] | tgm4883: | looking at journalctl help, it specifies that there are user logs rather than system logs |
| [15:55:02] | tgm4883: | upstart had the concept of having user jobs that could start when the user logs in, I'm assuming systemd has the same concept |
| [15:55:33] | stuarta: | sure it does. i'll leave that to you as an exercise ;-) |
| [15:55:58] | jheizer: | systemd start worldpeace |
| [15:56:05] | jheizer: | it can do everything |
| [15:56:16] | tgm4883: | I seem to have killed all logging |
| [15:56:17] | ** jheizer shuts up and get back to work ** | |
| [15:56:23] | jheizer: | *gets |
| [15:59:25] | dekarl: | tgm4883: well, I can comment on it with a link, but thats about it |
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| [16:01:20] | tgm4883: | wth |
| [16:01:24] | tgm4883: | maybe ubuntu is trolling me |
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| [16:15:29] | tgm4883: | stuarta: does mythbackend write directly to syslog? that wouldn't make much sense, but I dont' see why this is still logging there http://paste.ubuntu.com/14438840/ |
| [16:16:13] | stuarta: | tgm4883: yes it can |
| [16:16:33] | tgm4883: | stuarta: but my default when running without any arguments? |
| [16:16:45] | stuarta: | i'm pretty sure that enables syslog logging |
| [16:17:49] | tgm4883: | stuarta: hmm |
| [16:18:18] | stuarta: | according to help the default is --syslog none, so it shouldn't be |
| [16:18:58] | tgm4883: | I've looked at the journal config and I don't see it logging to syslog (at least there isn't a configuration to do so) |
| [16:20:33] | stuarta: | it's more likely the other way around, journald pulling from syslog |
| [16:21:57] | tgm4883: | I still don't see how the mythtv backend logs are getting to syslog though |
| [16:22:02] | dekarl: | is journald a syslogd implementation? |
| [16:22:28] | tgm4883: | I'm sure those words mean something to people that know more about systemd |
| [16:26:55] | dekarl: | tgm4883: I'm having a hard time to search the internet and find out how all the pieces go together. Mythtv calls the library function "syslog it" of the OS, does that go to journald? |
| [16:27:51] | tgm4883: | dekarl: my understanding of how I've got the job configured is that mythbackend gets called with no arguments, meaning it's logging to stdout. stdout get routed to journal. |
| [16:28:24] | tgm4883: | I don't see any configuration that would send journal to anything |
| [16:28:31] | dekarl: | ok, then its easy. If we like we can tell journald to forward to another syslogd and have that do something else |
| [16:28:39] | dekarl: | But what do we want? ;) |
| [16:28:48] | tgm4883: | we want it to only go to journal |
| [16:28:55] | tgm4883: | but currently it's going to both journal and syslog |
| [16:29:05] | tgm4883: | /var/log/syslog to be precise |
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| [17:40:33] | bill6502: | tgm4883: if you add --quiet to ExecStart=/usr/bin/mythbackend, then you'll eliminate syslog logging (or there's the redirection of stdout in the .service, but I'd suggest it's better to just the backend not to write console logs.) |
| [17:41:43] | tgm4883: | bill6502: I think it has to write console logs in order to get into journal though |
| [17:42:22] | bill6502: | I'll test it now, but I recall that with --syslog localWhatever the journal will get the logs |
| [17:44:59] | tgm4883: | bill6502: so the goal is to get logs into journal only |
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| [17:55:43] | bill6502: | tgm4883: with --syslog7 --quiet (but without sending stdout to /dev/null in the .service file) AND with a valid /etc/rsyslog.d/mythtv.conf file, there's no logging to /var/log/syslog. But |
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| [17:56:34] | tgm4883: | bill6502: that sounds like it's still logging to /var/lib/mythtv though |
| [17:57:03] | bill6502: | if I change mythtv.conf to mythtv.TURNED_OFF in rsyslog.d restart loggging, there is logging in syslog and the journal |
| [18:01:05] | bill6502: | I think you're right, since using rsyslog.d/mythtv.conf does have an affect. This is being tested on my only host that has systemd, and I normally use --logpath /var/log/mythtv and the --quiet options (and the journal only has entries when the service starts and stops. |
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| [18:23:42] | gary_buhrmaster: | re: systemd and logging. One issue is that console logging which systemd will send to the journal automatically is that the console logs do not include all the detail as syslog (and there is no current option to add the extra info to the console messages). |
| [18:28:28] | gary_buhrmaster: | In theory, adding in a direct journald logger could add in additional items for identification/selection in the journal. |
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| [18:32:24] | gary_buhrmaster: | At one point I vaguely looked at adding a direct journal logger, but then put it on hold (well, used as an excuse, I did not really have the time) waiting for the new logger infrastructure from danielk. |
| [18:35:57] | dmfrey: | dekarl, i got word at midnight last night that mythtv player is now live in the Amazon App Store |
| [18:40:56] | dekarl: | dmfrey: I already saw it pot up on their website, now I'm wondering what hoops there are to jump through to get it visible on the FireTV |
| [18:41:03] | dekarl: | s/pot/pop/ |
| [18:41:17] | dmfrey: | what version? |
| [18:41:31] | dekarl: | OS? |
| [18:41:38] | dmfrey: | there was one i had to exclude because the app doesn't go back to android 14 |
| [18:41:45] | dmfrey: | yes |
| [18:52:45] | dekarl: | 54.1.2.3_user_123067020, installed 3rd of September (the date alone hints that its not what I expected..) |
| [18:55:57] | dmfrey: | does that translate to Android sdk version number anywhere? |
| [18:56:01] | dekarl: | ok, that's Updates Android to Lollipop 5.1 |
| [18:56:07] | dekarl: | found it here http://www.aftvnews.com/software/ |
| [18:56:22] | dmfrey: | ok, then it should be fine |
| [18:56:35] | dmfrey: | maybe i need to add something to the android manifest xml to explictely allow it |
| [18:57:03] | dmfrey: | however, i did get a report from their test lab saying it did successfully pass tests on their various fire devices |
| [19:00:06] | dekarl: | their documentation on "getting started developing on firetv" doesn't mention the act of actually releasing the app https://developer.amazon.com/public/solutions . . . azon-fire-tv |
| [19:01:25] | dekarl: | ahh https://developer.amazon.com/public/support/submitting-your-app there's two "submit app" buttons |
| [19:04:55] | dekarl: | the website lists it as not compatible with that firetv stick |
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| [19:19:46] | dekarl: | dmfrey: https://developer.amazon.com/public/support/s . . . ing-your-app says "Device Support (required):" "However, you must explicitly turn on support for Amazon Fire TV devices. If you turn on support for a Fire TV device, you must also indicate which types of controllers are supported." |
| [19:31:12] | dmfrey: | dekarl, i see that 3 firetv devices are excluded |
| [19:31:23] | dmfrey: | i am trying to see if I need to add something to the manifest |
| [19:31:48] | dmfrey: | but it says that you just add support for any android controller device, which I do, since you can run it on androidtv |
| [19:31:54] | dmfrey: | so I assumed it would just work |
| [19:40:37] | tgm4883: | dekarl: success! https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233491903/buil . . . LDING.txt.gz |
| [19:41:00] | tgm4883: | dekarl: so the next armhf builds will have openmax support enabled |
| [19:45:05] | dekarl: | tgm4883: \o/ |
| [19:46:14] | dekarl: | dmfrey: Is there a box to check "supports the remote control"? the texts sounded like you have to explicitely specify it |
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| [20:42:25] | dmfrey: | dekarl, I tweeted the guy who put together all that info. I didn't find anything in the amazon dev console or any other changes i need to make to the android manifest. I will let you know what I find out. |
| [20:42:54] | dekarl: | ty |
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| [22:09:41] | knightr: | dekarl, unless you want me to quit never *ever* do what you just did... |
| [22:10:41] | dekarl: | knightr: yes, I just saw that I messed up some git action... that commit was supposed to only touch one line in the source code with a typo |
| [22:11:40] | dekarl: | all the other files that it touched should not have been part of the commit, but reset to the upstream version before |
| [22:13:09] | knightr: | ok, I see that you noticed what happened and it wasn't intended, sorry for my outburst... |
| [22:13:24] | knightr: | some people did the same in the past and they actually wanted to do that... |
| [22:13:59] | knightr: | it just causes problems to the translators and/or us... |
| [22:14:40] | knightr: | what would have been required to do what you wanted, a stash and a reset and then get back what you had stashed? |
| [22:15:19] | dekarl: | I just commit what I want to keep and the rest goes: git checkout — `git status|grep modified|sed -e "s/modified://g"` |
| [22:16:28] | knightr: | ok, thank you! will keep that in mind.... |
| [22:16:59] | dekarl: | to be honest, I'm not sure which way is better. |
| [22:19:12] | knightr: | I think that I did something like what I just told you in the past and will have to do it pretty soon for the English translations... |
| [22:19:28] | knightr: | I will try your way next time... |
| [22:20:58] | knightr: | (The French one we do differently and I do it with someone else so I can't play directly on the repo...) |
| [22:29:07] | knightr: | dekarl, I need to hit the road now, my train is waiting for me at the central station and I am not there yet... can you revert this (I guess it's the best way to make sure it won't cause problem and only commit what you wanted please? |
| [22:29:13] | knightr: | thank you and have a nice day! |
| [22:29:29] | dekarl: | knightr: already doing it, pushing right now |
| [22:29:39] | knightr: | danke! |
| [22:29:46] | dekarl: | merging the revert, so I don't lose some hours of translation work wasn't that easy :/ |
| [22:31:21] | knightr: | (I hope that this is the right way to say this and it's not being irrespectful, I know that there are different levels of speech in many languages and German must not be an exception to this...) |
| [22:31:36] | knightr: | I know what you mean... |
| [22:31:54] | knightr: | Goodbye, I have to go now otherwise the train will leave the station late... |
| [22:31:56] | dekarl: | Is there a sane way to reset master to the last commit before that messup? I fear that the commit+revert might mess up other peoples merges if there are any |
| [22:32:03] | dekarl: | sorry for the mess |
| [22:32:21] | knightr: | (kidding, it will leave without me...) |
| [22:32:22] | bill6502: | tgm4883: This may be the magic change to make journal logging only: grep ForwardToSyslog /etc/systemd/journald.conf |
| [22:32:24] | bill6502: | ForwardToSyslog=no |
| [22:32:31] | knightr: | once it's committed, I am not sure... |
| [22:33:03] | knightr: | before it's committed I go a reset hard (and I don't remember the rest of the line, I have check...) |
| [22:33:23] | knightr: | but now that it's committed hopefully someone here knows more about git... |
| [22:33:23] | dekarl: | just reading up on git / github, I think you can go back and move into a different branch (making the old one a detached head or something like that) |
| [22:33:33] | dekarl: | but you can not cherry-pick while doing that. |
| [22:33:36] | bill6502: | tgm4883: let me know your intentions (journal/syslog/both) and I'd be willing to do more testing. |
| [22:33:38] | knightr: | no problem... |
| [22:33:46] | knightr: | yikes... |
| [22:33:57] | knightr: | Goodbye, good luck and take care! |
| [22:45:55] | dekarl: | stuarta, you about? does that sound feasible? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5916329/cl . . . o-new-branch |
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| [23:27:18] | tgm4883: | bill6502: the intention is journal only |
| [23:41:18] | bill6502: | tgm4883: OK, I'll put together my configuration and pastebin it later tonight. The reason I asked is that I'm guessing that some user(s) run scripts etc. that look at /var/log/syslog or ...mythtv/mythbackend.log. Easy to announce in the release notes, but likely to add some churn to the -users list. |
| [23:42:12] | tgm4883: | possibly |
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