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| [08:04:57] | stuarta: | morning all |
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| [09:02:58] | warpme: | jheizer: will You find few sec to look why mobilemyth after upgrade to 0.7.1 gives exception when asked to show list of recordings? log is following: http://89.79.250.31/mobilemyth.log |
| [09:12:42] | stuarta: | warpme: that needs a password to access |
| [09:13:29] | warpme: | hmm. I remember it was this was working with 0.7.0.... |
| [09:13:54] | warpme: | is there something new to configure in 0.7.1? |
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| [10:27:05] | warpme: | stuarta jheizer: sorry for passwd access :-( http://89.79.250.31/exception.txt should work... |
| [10:29:59] | stuarta: | i haven't got the faintest clue about that. looks like java-- |
| [10:32:04] | warpme: | i believe it is aspx. i think issue is with parsing xml provided by BE to mobilemyth. Something changed in XML structure and mobilemyth fails with parsing xml tree. Just guessing.... |
| [10:33:37] | warpme: | issue is only for recording related functions. video/gallery works OK |
| [10:34:02] | warpme: | of course i'm on current master |
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| [12:03:22] | stuartm: | it uses the services API? You could take a look at the raw feed and run it through an xml validator ... |
| [12:04:03] | stuartm: | although I doubt that it's the validity of the xml which the issue, more likely something the parser is expecting has changed |
| [12:05:20] | warpme: | stuartm: i think issue is that mobilemyth works ok for 0.27-fixes (I think so; not tested) and it is not working for current master. Maybe there is change difference in xml struct. between 0.27 and master |
| [12:05:57] | warpme: | and mobilemyht should be updated to this change.... |
| [12:06:03] | stuartm: | some new things added, can't remember if anything was changed significantly |
| [12:06:34] | stuartm: | I would have tried to keep backwards compatibility where possible |
| [12:06:38] | warpme: | stuartm: how is Your trip to India? |
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| [12:08:19] | stuartm: | was, got back over a week ago |
| [12:08:41] | stuartm: | it good, mostly working but did do a little sight-seeing at the weekends |
| [12:09:39] | warpme: | ah yes I forgot this :-) What type of work You have now on Your table? |
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| [12:13:27] | stuartm: | full stack web app development |
| [12:14:29] | stuartm: | for a startup, that's being spun out by a company which uses MythTV commercially :) |
| [12:14:48] | stuartm: | this project has nothing to do with MythTV, or media though |
| [12:16:13] | warpme: | what oryginal company is providing commercially with mythtv? |
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| [12:18:42] | stuartm: | Digital Nirvana |
| [12:19:06] | stuartm: | don't think that was a secret ... |
| [12:19:47] | stuartm: | they only use the backend as part of a large suite of services for broadcasters |
| [12:20:13] | stuartm: | or that's what one department is doing |
| [12:29:29] | stuarta: | sounds like fun |
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| [12:31:31] | warpme: | what startup company is planning to offer? |
| [12:40:42] | stuartm: | services for stock market investors (amateur through to professionals), fairly radical shift from the parent company but it makes some use of the existing products and expertise |
| [12:42:14] | warpme: | have they plans for high frequency trading ;-p |
| [12:42:43] | stuarta: | HFT is great fun |
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| [12:43:04] | ** stuarta works with several different companies doing that ** | |
| [12:43:26] | warpme: | yeah. for networking ppl, DB ppl, app.logic ppl, etc... |
| [12:43:42] | stuarta: | all the low latency high performance stuff is awesome in what they do |
| [12:43:43] | stuartm: | heh, no, they aren't getting into the trading side, but near real time provision of information and analysis |
| [12:44:07] | stuartm: | and a social aspect too |
| [12:44:43] | stuarta: | i find some of the most awesome stuff is where they use 10/40Gb NIC's with embedded FGPA's, and use the FPGA's to react to incoming data in next to no time at all |
| [12:45:23] | stuarta: | for these guys getting data off the wire to the host cpu for processing, is *too* slow !! |
| [12:45:31] | stuartm: | yeah, that would be very interesting to work on, although far enough outside my existing skillset that I'd be completely lost |
| [12:45:31] | warpme: | yeah. i would say this is extreeme example of trading.... |
| [12:47:08] | stuartm: | have to say this work isn't as interesting as some things I've worked on, but it's a great bunch of guys, some travelling thrown in and good money |
| [12:48:02] | stuarta: | still sounds great to me |
| [12:49:02] | stuartm: | there are some technically interesting aspects to what they are doing, and some future plans for things which will be fun |
| [12:49:50] | stuarta: | if the majority of the work is interesting and it pays well, then i'd be a happy bunny |
| [12:50:17] | stuartm: | right now it's keeping me very busy, once it launches I might have more time to appreciate the things I'm doing |
| [12:50:52] | warpme: | what are time plans for launch? |
| [12:52:43] | stuartm: | that I'm probably not allowed to say, there are one or two other startups looking to launch a very similar project, so exact timing is sensitive |
| [12:54:00] | warpme: | sure, got it :-) |
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| [12:58:45] | jheizer: | warpme, yeah it looks like something in the format changed. Maybe the talks a while back about changing the way enums were presented. It looks like the last night I touched it was the day I relased that in Nov, and honestly I wasted so much damn time tying to figure out how to properly create a repo for it I was burnt out. |
| [12:59:13] | jheizer: | and since Feb work has been a disaster. It should have worked on master as of then. |
| [13:00:46] | warpme: | jheizer: pls keep work on mobilemyth. it is nice addon to ecosystem! |
| [13:01:14] | jheizer: | Wife has baby #2 on the way and the only reason I made it was for feed baby #1 |
| [13:01:14] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 ** | |
| [13:01:14] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [13:01:21] | jheizer: | so I'd expect a few updates this year. haha |
| [13:01:46] | jheizer: | Besides that we have no use for it, so any updates over the last 2+ years have just been for the hell of it. |
| [13:02:09] | jheizer: | I should have the deb and repo creation process all scripted now, but that was 10 months ago... |
| [13:06:23] | jheizer: | That and ubuntu's mono was randomly crashing on me. While I know very little bout docker, I'd kind of like to migrate to a fixed know container of stuff like that so I can validate everything works. |
| [13:06:41] | warpme: | oh – regarding no use...for me it is only app for road warrior usecase. Better that current mythweb as user can skip in web playback – which is not case for other alternatives.... |
| [13:06:59] | warpme: | what mono ver are you using? |
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| [13:07:54] | warpme: | I use mono as runtime for EPG grabber since 1y and no single problem – but only becuae I'm on carefuly choosen ver of mono |
| [13:08:15] | jheizer: | Currently targeting .Net 4.0 and default ubuntu mono version. |
| [13:08:22] | jheizer: | what ever that is at the moment |
| [13:08:29] | jheizer: | as users are even reluctant to install that |
| [13:09:27] | warpme: | I'm afraid if you want to get better stability – playing with var. mono versions is unavoidable... |
| [13:10:41] | jheizer: | even then it would randomly occur for me. https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=421 |
| [13:11:06] | jheizer: | You can see there were random 500 and 400 mscorlib errors |
| [13:11:41] | jheizer: | I had run into others, but they were all mono bugs |
| [13:12:03] | jheizer: | I had also kind of hoped others may join in and help. |
| [13:12:23] | jheizer: | I should convert it all over to c# from vb and maybe more people would be interested even though it is the same thing |
| [13:16:37] | jheizer: | Hmm official supported Asp.net 5/vNext docker container from MS for linux. |
| [13:16:42] | jheizer: | May be the way to go next time. |
| [13:18:02] | warpme: | I think mobilemyth has perfect usecase for users wanting to watch streaming outside of LAN. While webfrontend doing streaing already – unfortunatelly currently practically only in LAN. Setup for WAN streaming with resonable security is v.difficult now. So all road warriors currently have only blody flash in webfrontend or mobilemyth. |
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| [13:19:19] | warpme: | HLS is future so I personally really hope that mobilemyth will be developed. I think there is definitelly place for it! |
| [13:20:51] | jheizer: | What we really need it browser support for HLS streams and it would all be easier. |
| [13:21:22] | jheizer: | My cross platform web FE dream would not have to have all these configs and buttons to launch different things |
| [13:21:30] | warpme: | isn't Apple shop ready for this? |
| [13:21:33] | jheizer: | (native support) |
| [13:23:29] | jheizer: | Probably works on osx. |
| [13:23:42] | ** jheizer is not an apple user ** | |
| [13:24:01] | jheizer: | HLS is a second class citizen if that on any none apple platform |
| [13:24:33] | warpme: | in past it was working OK with 0.7.0 (beside some proxy unstability). 0.7.1 was absolutelly no go for me since begining.... |
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| [13:25:16] | stuartm: | actually DASH is the future HLS is a dead end |
| [13:25:33] | jheizer: | I never could get the video proxying to be 100% |
| [13:25:42] | jheizer: | I wrote like 50 versions of that code. |
| [13:25:51] | warpme: | HLS – yes agree. MPEG-DASH is future. But for this we need some cosding in BE :-( |
| [13:26:51] | stuartm: | DASH is going through standardisation with the W3C to form part of the HTML 5 video spec, HLS is at this point little more than an Apple backed spec that has limited support |
| [13:27:08] | warpme: | stuartm: do You mean mobilemyth proxy or generic HTTP proxy? |
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| [13:27:34] | stuartm: | DASH and HLS are very similar, won't take much to adapt our existing HLS code to work with DASH instead, but our existing HLS stuff isn't really robust enough |
| [13:27:40] | jheizer: | which means apple will be slow to adopt DASH if ever |
| [13:30:04] | warpme: | it look like Apple starts to listen and understand bad press/opinions about their current OS'es. I already see positive signs i.e. recent OSX update finally brings back 95–105MB/s on NFS from Linux kernel 4.0. Was 35–55MB/s with previous ver of Yosemitte |
| [13:31:14] | warpme: | Safari is already currently called "next IE of Internet".... |
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| [13:31:37] | stuarta: | ouch |
| [13:32:59] | warpme: | btw: current master is absolutelly no go on Apple platform. Some Qt functions are depreciated on OSX platform. |
| [13:33:51] | warpme: | I was trying to resolve this but failed with lack of documentation how to implement depreciated functionality... |
| [13:34:24] | stuarta: | is it that the implementation is depreciated or we are using a depreciated api? |
| [13:34:41] | warpme: | depreciated api |
| [13:34:53] | stuarta: | we are using, or in qt, or in osx ? |
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| [13:36:19] | warpme: | in osx-win.cpp I believe (it was half year ago when I was fighting with this). it is depreciated api in Qt I think |
| [13:37:09] | warpme: | OSX speciffic stuf in Qt5 I think |
| [13:38:26] | warpme: | s/stuf/stuff/ |
| [13:38:48] | stuarta: | so stuff we would have to re-implement. okay. i think jya was going to restart that fight |
| [13:38:59] | stuarta: | i no longer even have an osx system |
| [13:39:27] | stuartm: | safari is really lagging behind, it's now the goto browser when checking whether things are broken |
| [13:40:07] | stuartm: | with other browsers you can design in one and know that things will just work and display correctly in everything except Safari |
| [13:41:18] | stuartm: | I now have access to OSX, so maybe I'll be able to help with issues on that platform |
| [13:41:30] | warpme: | yeah.sad thing keeping in mind that in power efficincy/saving on OSX Safari is really best (+20% longer bettery) |
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| [13:44:15] | warpme: | stuartm: that would be great. I remember I spent considerable time to get osx-script updated to work with current Xcode/clang. But I failed with mythtv code as it uses api's depreciated in Qt5. I can look over my changes in osx-script to save Your time on stupid things like new Xcode support.... |
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| [14:37:04] | jya: | warpme: I'd love to see that test in regards to battery usage and compare with Firefox |
| [14:37:08] | jya: | you might be surprised |
| [14:47:44] | warpme: | jya: i saw huge plans regarding Firefox future. (https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-de . . . 03063.html). What is Your favourite future thing in Firefox? |
| [14:49:08] | warpme: | I see You here rarelly these times: familly or work or both or... |
| [14:49:16] | jya: | I'll believe the XUL thing when it actually happens |
| [14:49:50] | jya: | the code relies so much on the XPCOM API and utility methods that it's going to take, I think a huge amount of time to get rid of |
| [14:51:22] | warpme: | isn't XBL/XUL about UI speed? Is this related also to js/multimedia performance as well? |
| [14:51:39] | jya: | nah, it's more related to plugins and all |
| [14:51:49] | jya: | it's the underlying frame gecko is using |
| [14:51:54] | jya: | like you would have Qt |
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| [15:15:54] | stuarta: | stuartm: btw. i've thought of an alternative way of handling missing channel icons in the backend websever |
| [15:16:59] | stuarta: | if a request for a specific icon would return a 404, return a 302 (temporary move) to a "not found" icon |
| [15:17:56] | stuarta: | that way the browser would continue to request the specific url, so adding specific icons would start returning the correct icon |
| [15:20:03] | stuartm: | good thinking |
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| [15:27:28] | stuarta: | far better than trying to have to find all possible locations where we could return an icon |
| [15:27:39] | stuarta: | i remember you added not found icons to one of them |
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| [16:27:13] | dekarl: | stuartm, some contributions are out there in plain sight https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythccextractor :) |
| [16:28:04] | stuartm: | yes :) |
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| [16:45:09] | gigem: | Wow, merging paul-h's vbox changes into my branch wasn't painful at all. |
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