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Monday, March 2nd, 2015, 00:03 UTC
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[06:48:11] peper03: dekarl: Thanks for the fixup commit(s). I had started preparing an initial change myself but was in and out all day yesterday, which is usually not the best time to commit changes in an area you're not entirely sure of :)
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[09:19:18] stuarta: stuartm: re building under Qt5. 0.27 works fine, just mythbrowser throws a lot of warnings saying it hasn't been ported
[09:19:38] stuarta: playback works fine
[09:20:26] stuartm: stuarta: scheduling doesn't
[09:20:55] stuartm: and if you don't run with the logserver disabled it will crash on startup
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[09:21:43] stuartm: to name just two issues which have been fixed in master but not backported (they can't be backported)
[09:23:20] stuarta: haven't noticed, mainly because i only use a frontend with qt5 on 0.27
[09:24:03] stuarta: tbh, we should just aim for 0.28 with full Qt5 support
[09:24:15] stuarta: backporting stuff like that is just going to cause pain
[09:24:24] stuartm: stuarta: IMHO it's just safer to say it's not supported, we don't know what subtle bugs exist and I've no particular desire to spend time fixing 0.27 in addition to 0.28
[09:24:54] stuarta: i agree
[09:25:11] stuartm: adding a version check to configure preventing compilation of 0.27 against QT5 wouldn't be a bad idea
[09:25:35] stuarta: "tech preview" is a good term to use
[09:25:51] stuarta: ie. some stuff works, some doesn't, and it's not supported for general use
[09:26:30] stuarta: i'd rather spend time fixing regressions for those people who were forced to upgrade to 0.27.4 for schedules direct
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[11:49:34] stuarta: stuartm: i don't remember all the plugins failing to build under qt5, did something change to cause it?
[11:55:44] stuartm: stuarta: earlier releases of QT5 didn't disable parts of the API which had previously been deprecated in QT4
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[11:56:39] stuartm: they started enforcing that by default around 5.1 or 5.2, so that anything which was 'obsolete' in QT4 wouldn't work in QT5
[11:58:15] stuartm: they provide a define to control the behaviour, a sort of alternative to the old qt3support module, which allows more fine-grained tuning, so we can disable anything which is deprecated before 5.2, 5.4 etc
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[11:58:37] stuarta: ok
[12:00:27] ** stuarta goes to break his prod backend by parallel installing qt4 and qt5 **
[12:00:43] stuartm: https://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/23067
[12:01:24] stuartm: QT_DISABLE_DEPRECATED_BEFORE defaults to v5.0, i.e. QT_DISABLE_DEPRECATED_BEFORE=0x050000
[12:01:58] stuarta: ah i've just found the changeset where previously we overrode that value
[12:02:11] stuartm: we should think about using QT_DISABLE_DEPRECATED_BEFORE=0x050200 – a lot of stuff still builds fine with that, but there are some bits which need fixing first
[12:02:27] stuarta: yeah, fix first, then break some more
[12:04:14] stuarta: nice work on this btw
[12:04:32] stuartm: it's a good feature, it should enable us to keep up with changes in small steps with each new minor version instead of having to fix everything at once when a new major version is released and they drop the deprecated bits
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[13:48:57] stuartm: eit scanner has started crashing in QT
[13:49:05] stuartm: #4 0x00007ffff5b44c70 in EITCache::WriteToDB (this=0x8da250) at eitcache.cpp:308
[13:49:05] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4 **
[13:49:13] stuarta: odd
[13:49:50] stuarta: ah, mine's just finished building. time to fire it up and see if I see that too
[13:49:54] stuartm: it's the QMap iterator – so invalid iterator caused by the qmap being modified while it's iterated over?
[13:50:35] stuarta: most likely
[13:55:18] stuartm: ugh, yeah, it's looping through channelMap, calling WriteChannelToDB on each channel, WriteChannelToDB is also modifying channelMap ... fatal error
[13:58:44] stuartm: seems like the best bet there is to change WriteChannelToDB to return a bool, return false where we're currently calling channelMap.remove() then actually remove the entry in WriteToDB instead with the safe erase()
[14:01:28] stuarta: that's just stupid
[14:03:11] stuartm: yeah, not sure how that one managed to slip through, and I guess QMap was just more resilient to such stupidity in QT4
[14:03:39] stuarta: either that or we were just lucky
[14:04:13] stuartm: it's segfaulting pretty reliably atm, although it was fine for the past 3 days
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[14:16:37] stuartm: I'm actually wondering if this isn't closer to the original intent – http://pastebin.com/9EpL9sGN
[14:17:22] stuartm: hmm, no it's not, nevermind
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[14:21:56] stuartm: so I'm going with this – http://pastebin.com/sTUBwv7u
[14:23:38] stuarta: looks promising
[14:30:19] stuartm: stayed up twice as long as it was doing before
[14:30:24] stuarta: :)
[14:30:36] stuarta: mine's been up for 30mins no issues
[14:30:52] stuarta: it's clearly a race condition
[14:37:32] stuartm: I'll push it shortly, I was in the middle of testing some SSL changes, trying to improve on the A- I currently get with the backend
[14:37:39] stuarta: :)
[14:38:14] stuartm: 5.4 should do better, it supports the Diffie Hellman key exchange methods which are required for forward secrecy
[14:39:07] stuartm: 5.2 unfortunately should be capable, but apparently they forgot to expose those suites – fixed it in 5.3
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[14:42:15] stuarta: doh
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[14:54:08] stuartm: it's looking like that A- is the limit without forward secrecy, oddly enough, despite forcing the cipher suite order ssllabs doesn't seem to recognise that there is a preferred order – I'm not sure if that's a QT bug or their bug
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[16:44:25] stuarta: we should get this integrated https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=701
[16:49:18] stuartm: we used to integrate channel changers, but then started ripping them out into scripts because of the complexity of maintaining so many different code paths for different devices
[16:50:47] stuarta: fair enough
[16:50:54] stuarta: i'll go with that
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[17:32:03] dekarl1: Should we move the scripts to a github-organization similar to themes and package them from there? Some vocal users are afraid of our wikiscripts.
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[17:33:40] stuartm: I think having a trusted repo for them is a good idea, although it still has to be accessible to contributors and not require us to handle patches
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[19:17:38] stuartm: something funky happening with my connection tonight
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[20:13:35] peper03: Hmm. So I've created unit tests for EIT fixups to test the UK stuff. I'm using real data that was passed into EITFixUp, and not one of the tests is passing completely.
[20:13:50] peper03: Here's the test class: http://pastebin.com/CAyXPmKM
[20:14:55] peper03: And here's the output: http://pastebin.com/xKTPxvQ6
[20:16:37] peper03: Unless I'm doing something badly wrong, it would seem that season/episode/part number parsing is broken
[20:17:44] peper03: And 'cc' parsing only works on the first match (so only HD gets processed from '[HD] [AD,S]')
[20:21:06] stuartm: well you're right, it doesn't appear that, for example Book of the Week's episode is correctly parsed, maybe because an assumption was made about the episode info either appearing at the start or the end of the description and not in the middle
[20:22:21] peper03: 0.27 seems to handle thoses cases better. At least, the numbers get parsed into partnumber and parttotal.
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[20:26:07] stuartm: New Tricks, Drama, starting at 21:00 tonight is being correctly parsed (for an example of what does work)
[20:27:45] stuartm: there does seem to be something off with the CBS channels, in the past those always included episode info but I've just noticed that they aren't in the description and aren't in the episode/total columns, so either they no longer provide the information or something is stripping it out
[20:29:36] stuartm: peper03: World at War test is wrong, 12/26 is episode number/episode total, not a part number
[20:30:34] stuartm: although it's obviously difficult to decide that without knowing the context
[20:31:54] peper03: stuartm: master currently mangles that completely: http://pastebin.com/tsmiwMUq
[20:32:20] peper03: 0.27 parses it a part number/part total.
[20:32:47] stuartm: 9 times out of 10, the "x/y" format is episode/total though, parts are really only when a film or episode (same subtitle) has been split for broadcast
[20:33:19] stuartm: peper03: 0.27 was getting it wrong, but I don't mean to suggest that master is getting it 100% correct
[20:33:50] peper03: stuartm: Yeah, I have no problem with that reasoning. But master is parsing 12/26 as S01E02/26
[20:35:07] stuartm: where did it all go so wrong :/
[20:35:24] peper03: I didn't pick these examples to be particularly fiendish, just a selection of different styles. It's quite possible I've screwed something up completely but I really don't know how or where!
[20:35:40] peper03: Just makes you start to doubt your own mind when everything is wrong!
[20:39:59] stuartm: I know my testing wasn't exhaustive as I don't use EIT for most channels, and since I wrong the regexps some new formats have appeared, but it did formally handle all the formats I knew about at the time
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[20:44:36] stuartm: peper03: there are clearly issues, not just the ones you've highlighted in the unit tests, I'm currently looking at radio channels in the guide and it hasn't parsed any of those correctly, yet it's managed almost identical formats just fine for some tv channels
[20:45:18] stuartm: seems dd/dd is OK but d/d is not
[20:45:36] peper03: stuartm: Ok, so at least I can work on the assumption that the unit tests are basically ok and the fixups are not.
[20:45:56] stuartm: I thought stuarta had fixed the 'cc' parsing fairly recently
[20:46:09] stuartm: peper03: are you running master?
[20:46:15] peper03: Yes.
[20:46:25] peper03: At least, that's what I'm testing with.
[20:47:23] stuarta: peper03: i've never seen multiple [HD] [AD,S] broadcast. are those real eit data examples?
[20:49:03] peper03: stuarta: Yes. I added a LOG to the FixUK method to dump what was being passed in. Then wrote a quick perl script to parse the logs, extract the entries and format them more or less ready to paste into the unit test.
[20:49:08] stuartm: peper03: it's easy enough to check how the eit events were parsed by the 'real' code by looking at the program info in the guide (or the database), of the examples I've checked so far, none were parsed correctly
[20:49:43] stuarta: it's always been kind of a balancing act, getting it to mostly work without to many cock ups
[20:50:11] stuarta: peper03: fyi there's also tv_grab_dvb which can be of use in grabbing raw eit data ;-)
[20:50:30] peper03: stuartm: I can only check that with 0.27 at the moment. My development box (master) is currently not near a satellite cable so I've got no signal :(
[20:50:37] stuarta: doh
[20:51:13] peper03: stuarta: Yep. Another few weeks probably until I can move it back...
[20:51:34] stuartm: I remember you mentioning that now :/
[20:53:25] stuartm: maybe stuarta can check some of them, like The World at War which airs on BBC 2, one of the channels I'm using xmltv for
[21:10:48] peper03: BTW are the source files supposed to be UTF-8 encoded? eitfixup.cpp currently has a couple of comment lines using ISO-8859–15, which makes QT Creator prevent me from editing the file until I explicitly set the correct encoding.
[21:11:21] peper03: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . up.cpp#L2095
[21:13:28] peper03: The characters are only in comments, so whether they're right or wrong won't change the way the code works but I would have thought UTF-8 would generally be the preferred option.
[21:16:10] jpharvey: stuartm: peper03: in .28 The World At War Programme Details shows as Season 1 Episode 2 of 26 using EIT
[21:16:58] peper03: jpharvey: Ok, thanks. That matches what I'm seeing, so it is messed up.
[21:17:32] jpharvey: If you want anything else checking let me know
[21:18:16] peper03: Thanks. Will do. I'll work with these examples for the time being and try to get them sorted.
[21:34:05] stuarta: peper03: let me know if you need me to pull some tv_grab_dvb data for further analysis
[21:35:29] dym: Hey people!
[21:35:30] dym: :)
[21:35:41] dym: Are there any official ubuntu package sources for latest stable mythtv?
[21:35:53] peper03: stuarta: Will do. I could probably do that myself on my production box, of course.
[21:36:48] stuarta: yeah, tv_grab_dvb just opens the first adapter and starts pulling data
[21:37:04] stuarta: really tho, you need examples from both dvb-t and dvb-s
[21:37:11] stuarta: because the 2 are often different
[21:37:18] stuarta: for the same program on the same channel
[21:38:05] peper03: Ok, well I only have dvb-s so if you see something interesting on dvb-t, by all means :)
[21:39:10] stuarta: bah. after a quick test of tv_grab_dvb, i'd be better off writing my own decoder
[21:39:27] stuarta: it doesn't understand the huffman coding of the epg
[21:39:35] stuarta: +modified
[21:42:39] stuarta: it may be time to rewrite the whole of uk eit fixup parsing
[21:43:31] peper03: dym: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos – works for me.
[21:43:52] tgm4883: dym: those would be the recommended ubuntu packages
[21:44:26] peper03: stuarta: The regexs are pretty dense. Doesn't make trouble-shooting easy.
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[21:45:26] stuarta: peper03: the one's i've played with are relatively straightforward, they look horrible, but they aren't that bad
[21:45:58] Greek-Boy: is this the right command to run a mass (bulk) update for movie metadata? /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb3.py -l en -M
[21:46:37] peper03: stuarta: Yeah, if you can parse out the bits, they're understandable but parsing them by eye is tricky and all the escaping doesn't make it easier.
[21:46:55] ** stuarta chuckles **
[21:47:10] peper03: I tried a couple of real-time testers but neither really seemed to be up to much.
[21:47:35] stuarta: the data stream is pretty intense, especially on dvb-s
[21:48:52] stuarta: peper03: i used to debug by printing out before and after's of the events. = large messy logs
[21:49:36] peper03: Yes. Hard to see the woods for the trees.
[21:51:17] ** stuarta goes to find the sources to tv_grab_dvb **
[21:51:18] peper03: And it's not too hard to make a complicated regex just not match at all and then you've got to start trying to figure out which bit it was and why...
[21:52:08] stuarta: ooo err, someone has made tv_grab_dvb_plus
[21:52:42] stuarta: https://github.com/silid/tv_grab_dvb_plus.git
[21:54:35] peper03: That's the problem these days. It used to be a case of 'I something that does xyz. That'll be a nice little project' and now the Internet spoils your fun by showing you someone already wrote it.
[21:54:48] peper03: 'I need something...'
[21:55:00] stuarta: look on the bright side, it has mythtv contributors all over it
[21:55:37] dym: peper03 tgm4883 – im installing on plain ubuntu and i seem to have "2:0.27.1+fixes" on the repos. Is this the latest stable release?
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[21:56:19] tgm4883: dym: not even close. You aren't using the Mythbuntu repos it seems
[21:56:28] dym: standard repos
[21:56:34] tgm4883: peper03> dym: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos – works for me.
[21:56:34] dym: as for now
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[21:58:09] dym: sorry, but that would the sources.list entry syntax be like?
[21:58:20] dym: deb http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos XX ?
[21:58:37] Greek-Boy: is there really no way to mass (bulk) update metadata on all videos?
[21:58:38] Greek-Boy: :-(
[21:59:20] tgm4883: dym: no. You can either enable it though mythbuntu-control-centre, so lookup the PPA to enable
[21:59:35] stuartm: dym: install mythbuntu-control-centre and you can enable the repo from there
[22:00:21] dym: well
[22:00:27] dym: this is headless ubuntu
[22:00:35] dym: i dont need a GUI since i only want to run the backend
[22:00:42] dym: so no control center here
[22:02:07] tgm4883: dym: https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/ubuntu/0.27
[22:02:49] dym: tyvm!
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[22:06:15] dym: 0.27.4+fixes?
[22:06:18] dym: :)
[22:08:43] tgm4883: dym: yes 0.27.4+fixes
[22:20:52] dym: okay, thanks
[22:20:56] dym: now the interesting part
[22:21:15] dym: how do i do all the setup/channel searching,etc. stuff without the mythbuntu controlcentre? :)
[22:21:48] tgm4883: you run mythtv-setup
[22:22:22] dym: this is a headless machine
[22:22:29] dym: therefore im connected via SSH
[22:22:32] dym: no window manager
[22:23:45] stuartm: that's what X11 forwarding is for
[22:24:37] Greek-Boy: :-(
[22:25:00] tgm4883: dym: look, I'm all about helping people out, but if you've done something like install a headless system (which isn't the mythbuntu recommended way), I would expect you to know how to run mythtv-setup on it
[22:25:26] dym: tgm4883: i was not planning to use mythbuntu
[22:25:36] dym: i want a mythbuntu-backend only system.
[22:25:55] dym: therefore i did not install mythbuntu, but ubuntu and wanted to install the backend packages and configure the system
[22:25:55] tgm4883: dym: I'm assuming that you mean mythtv-backend
[22:26:00] dym: sorry, yes
[22:26:09] tgm4883: dym: man ssh
[22:26:12] dym: i have frontend clients around the house
[22:29:02] tgm4883: dym: as stuartm said, you're looking for X11 forwarding
[22:29:24] Greek-Boy: is it possible to embed a livetv stream into HTML5? (stream from mythtv backend)
[22:31:13] stuartm: technically possible, yes, actually possible, no – we don't offer the feature yet and when we do you'll need a very fast machine to transcode in real-time
[22:32:19] stuartm: we offer html 5 streaming of recordings, but not livetv which presents it's own challenges
[22:33:21] Greek-Boy: shoot
[22:33:33] Greek-Boy: i wanted Xibo to sort of work as a MythTV client
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