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| [05:09:06] | jab416171: | So, mythtv thinks it's recording four shows. I only have three tuners |
| [05:09:59] | jab416171: | And recordings that are done show up as if they're still being recorded |
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| [06:46:12] | dekarl: | jab416171: you want #mythtv-users, and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/record_multiple_ch . . . ne_multiplex I have heard "recordings are not ending" before but can't find the ticket right now in the bug tracker |
| [06:47:34] | dekarl: | if that is a cablecard tuner, then multirec in its original form doesn't apply, but there should be an option for overlapping recordings of the same channel |
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| [09:23:30] | stuarta: | morning all |
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| [12:28:56] | stuarta: | hmpf, now why doesn't that post-commit hook run |
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| [13:15:03] | ** stuarta sighs ** | |
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| [13:52:27] | stuartm: | hit an interesting bug where ESCAPE no longer exits playback, everything else works but you can't stop playback |
| [13:56:34] | dekarl-work: | thats the next stage after surpressing trick play for the ads ;) |
| [13:56:42] | stuarta: | impressive |
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| [14:27:47] | ** stuarta gets grumpy with auto web site deployment ** | |
| [14:45:05] | stuarta: | grrr, i'm going round and round in circles here |
| [15:51:33] | stuarta: | stuartm: nice commit |
| [15:58:45] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, while you're there, mind to look at "The class ' HtmlServerExtension' defines member variable with name ' m_sSharePath' also defined in its parent class ' HttpServerExtension' ."? I'm torn if the former should be remove or renamed. |
| [16:17:12] | stuartm: | looks like remove |
| [16:18:53] | stuartm: | but it's slightly abused, seems like the path should be passed in to the constructor, not amended as it is now within the constructor |
| [16:19:23] | stuartm: | I'd be tempted to drop the whole MYTHHTMLDIR bit, as that only exists for debugging |
| [16:21:01] | stuartm: | then change ln 60 of httpserver.cpp to include the '/html' bit |
| [16:22:34] | dekarl-work: | +1 for removing code that is off the beaten track |
| [16:25:25] | stuarta: | +1 |
| [16:28:06] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: just testing that change |
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| [16:41:34] | stuartm: | stuarta: still think there's more steps we might take to lock down the WebFrontend, it's something I'm continuing to look at |
| [16:42:52] | stuartm: | CSRF prevention is probably the next thing, apart from doing some fuzz testing and actively trying to exploit the server and services API in ways that weren't intended |
| [16:44:33] | stuarta: | cool |
| [16:44:37] | ** stuarta heads of ** | |
| [16:44:39] | stuarta: | *off |
| [16:47:13] | stuartm: | giving serious thought to disabling the part of the API that allows settings to be altered, way too much potential for mischief there |
| [16:47:55] | tgm4883: | stuartm: isn't that needed if you are going to move mythtv-setup to the web? |
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| [16:50:34] | stuartm: | tgm4883: yes and no, being able to directly edit the content of a setting is different from doing it through a UI that can sanitize, validate and reject the changes because it knows the context |
| [16:51:22] | stuartm: | I can hijack anyone's machine if you give me direct access to their settings table, which is effectively what the current services API endpoints do |
| [16:51:57] | tgm4883: | stuartm: true, but in the past I've always been told that the holdup with mythtv-setup being moved to the web was A) the backend not being able to run without being configured, and B) Because the services API didn't have all the bits yet for editing all the settings |
| [16:52:17] | stuartm: | can execute any applications, create, read or modify files on the system (subject to the perms of the backend/frontend users) |
| [16:53:09] | tgm4883: | stuartm: is mythtv moving to try and be more secure then? |
| [16:53:10] | stuartm: | tgm4883: services API has the bits for editing most settings, just not the more complicated stuff like recording profiles |
| [16:53:38] | stuartm: | tgm4883: for anything accessed via the http server yes |
| [16:54:31] | stuartm: | the services API was from the very beginning meant to be 'secure', where secure is a relatively term – anyone with access to the services API can seriously screw up a mythtv configuration, delete recordings etc |
| [16:54:56] | tgm4883: | this is very true, but if you remove too much of that you make the services API semi-worthless |
| [16:55:12] | stuartm: | but the stuff they shouldn't be able to do include compromise the system beyond mythtv, or crash the server |
| [16:55:49] | tgm4883: | Now if you just wanted to make the services API do (list content, play back content, stream content, mark watched) I'd be ok with that |
| [16:56:09] | tgm4883: | (but for completely selfish reasons, as that would be pretty much everything I need access to) |
| [16:56:14] | stuartm: | tgm4883: not proposing to remove anything that users or app developers legitimately need access to, just the stuff that they don't and shouldn't for the sake of their wider system security |
| [16:56:19] | tgm4883: | oh, and the ability to schedule recordings |
| [16:56:33] | dekarl-work: | tgm4883: we could start with adding a "read only" mode for the real mythfrontend, so our kids/SOs don't mess up our pristine database ;) |
| [16:57:02] | stuartm: | tgm4883: well obviously that stuff is already all there, and working, it's also there and working in the WebFrontend too |
| [16:57:09] | dekarl-work: | where "read only" means something like "non-destructive" |
| [16:57:23] | tgm4883: | stuartm: yes, it's already there :) |
| [16:57:31] | tgm4883: | just don't remove it :) |
| [16:57:43] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: one thought was to only allow 'read only' access to the services API without authentication |
| [16:58:39] | tgm4883: | I still kinda question some of that though. I mean, are we trying to protect people that put the services API on the public internet? |
| [16:58:40] | stuartm: | require apps to authenticate either by username/password, or cryptographic key based authentication (more secure, harder to implement) |
| [16:59:32] | dekarl-work: | tgm4883: more thinking about people that you allow on your internal network for $reason. let them watch stuff, but not mess up your setup |
| [16:59:43] | stuartm: | tgm4883: yes, because otherwise stuff like the WebFrontend, or MythMobile are nearly useless, and also just because people accidentally do this stuff all the time anyway |
| [17:00:01] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [17:01:08] | stuartm: | "you can administer mythtv and watch recordings from anywhere ... within the confines of your own home" doesn't sound so appealing |
| [17:01:32] | tgm4883: | well I'm not going to argue here if you guys are set on doing it. I suppose I just don't see the effort in these use cases. (Probably because I'd prefer an SSH tunnel first into the network for remote playback) |
| [17:01:46] | dekarl-work: | what's wrong with letting them enable the VPN on their tablet and CPE router? |
| [17:02:20] | tgm4883: | For local people, you'd need to rework the frontend too so people can't mess with schedules from there |
| [17:02:21] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: nothing ... but they won't |
| [17:03:21] | stuartm: | your faith in the average user is touching, but naive ;) |
| [17:03:52] | tgm4883: | I need to start figuring out this C++ thing so I can hack on mythtv |
| [17:03:55] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, well, its their marriage they risk :D |
| [17:04:02] | tgm4883: | Is there a library for adding time? |
| [17:04:26] | stuartm: | how many people even own routers capable of running a VPN (without flashing third party firmware) |
| [17:05:32] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: yeah, and likely I'll never be able to lock things down enough to prevent every possible scenario, but for the sake of users (and our reputation) I'll try my best |
| [17:07:52] | jheizer: | I'd rather see the checks go into the services layer and let everyone benefit from them. Not that it solves the context problem. |
| [17:08:29] | stuartm: | when people complain "mythtv let hackers into my computer", I at least want to say we tried to prevent that happening and not respond by saying "it's not our fault" |
| [17:09:35] | stuartm: | jheizer: for raw settings it's impossible to check, we don't know whether a setting is supposed to be a path, a string, an integer, ip address, hostname or something else |
| [17:10:09] | jheizer: | Agreed, I think my comment came out a bit wrong. I do agree the services should not be publicly accessible/configurable. |
| [17:10:26] | stuartm: | for paths we wouldn't know whether they should be relative or absolute, limited to pointing to existing storage groups or any location on the system |
| [17:11:13] | jheizer: | Then again I don't trust myself to manage people's recording rules either since I don't know nearly enough about the profiles and such. |
| [17:11:16] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, crazy stuff, they (biggest ISP over here) ship with PoTS2VoIP/DECT/NAS/DLNA Services, but still no PPTP server :/ |
| [17:11:16] | stuartm: | at least through the WebFrontend when editing a specific setting we can define what acceptable values should be |
| [17:11:27] | tgm4883: | stuartm: could (and this might just be crazy talk), mythtv facilitate setting up an SSH tunnel and then only allow writes on the services API from localhost? I'm just trying to brainstorm not having to build security into mythtv (mostly because I see lots of issues in enterprise software where the devs tried to write their own security rather than use some |
| [17:11:27] | tgm4883: | from of standard) |
| [17:12:36] | stuartm: | tgm4883: well we're sticking to standards, mainly web standards for web application security – we support stuff like http authentication, transport layer security (https) etc |
| [17:12:55] | tgm4883: | stuartm: is this webfrontend in 0.28? I'm assuming we're not talking about mythweb |
| [17:13:36] | dekarl-work: | tgm4883: does ubuntu package a fire-and-forget-pptp server? Something that opens the port on the CPE router via UPNP and other niceties? |
| [17:13:49] | stuartm: | managing an external app like ssh is asking for trouble, if it goes wrong we actually give hackers full access to the system (via ssh) that they might not even have had by compromising the mythtv server |
| [17:13:56] | jheizer: | About the only setting I could see myself wanting to add as editable would be the user jobs, but that is about as dangerous as it gets. |
| [17:14:15] | stuartm: | tgm4883: yes, replaces mythweb in 0.28, written from scratch and served by the internal web server |
| [17:14:38] | tgm4883: | dekarl-work: IDK, there is a handful of pptp stuff in the archive it looks like |
| [17:14:47] | jheizer: | Then again once you are out with that, I'll probably die off. So ignore me. :) |
| [17:15:20] | stuartm: | jheizer: user jobs are one of the things that trouble me most, I'm still trying to think of ways to restrict those so only 'trusted' apps can be executed |
| [17:15:35] | jheizer: | yuup |
| [17:15:45] | jheizer: | Dangerous, it is. |
| [17:16:48] | tgm4883: | stuartm: FWIW, I think the services API doesn't need to support every set of features (especially now that I'm told it doesn't need to for mythtv-web-setup). |
| [17:17:21] | tgm4883: | let it exist to facilitate 95% of the requested features from third party clients |
| [17:18:09] | tgm4883: | which IMHO is (play, delete, list, schedule) content |
| [17:18:44] | tgm4883: | probably replace delete with "set as watched" |
| [17:34:04] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, the timespan is not "from, including, start" until "up to, but not including, end"? I'd like to see us use that, as its what works nicely for e.g. guide data |
| [17:34:26] | dekarl-work: | ^- re #12348 |
| [17:34:26] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12348 ** | |
| [17:37:17] | stuartm: | actually I didn't verify whether the start date was included, it was specifically the end date that attracted my attention, I'd just imported some new tracks, selected my "New tracks" smart playlist but it was empty |
| [17:38:31] | dekarl-work: | how is it defined, something like "added to the library between now-7 and now"? |
| [17:38:42] | dekarl-work: | the word "date" is fishy ;) |
| [17:38:43] | stuartm: | not sure how guide data is relevant, unless you're talking about making behaviour consistent in similar dialogs |
| [17:39:04] | dekarl-work: | Aye, I was thinking about making time spans work the same across the whole domain |
| [17:39:08] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: more or less like that |
| [17:39:57] | dekarl-work: | So you can have playlists for "new in the past 7 days" and " new in the 7 days before that" without overlap |
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| [20:40:49] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: Looks like you need to cherry pick f063b19facd153c2b2844e9643d570b9466b4b6f back to the 0.27/fixes branch for the Qt5 buildbot (missing QObject include). Or, perhaps remove that buildbot. |
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| [20:59:31] | stuartm: | stuarta: ^^ |
| [20:59:53] | stuartm: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/f063b19fa |
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| [21:11:14] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: Sorry, I was thinking that was you, not stuarta. That will teach me to actually pay attention to the details of the commit log. I just saw a Stuart, and ignored the last name. Bad on me. |
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| [23:14:00] | stuarta: | bloody netsplits |
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| [23:24:55] | stuartm: | think the server I was on just disappeared, didn't get split but disconnected |
| [23:30:27] | stuarta: | shed load of netsplits going on, they were probably rehubbing the network again. did it yesterday too |
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| [23:52:17] | MythBuild: | build #133 of 0.27-f20-qt5–64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.27 . . . t/builds/133 |
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