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| [00:42:56] | stuartm: | tgm4883: assume most of those are going to be duplicates |
| [00:43:30] | stuartm: | backend crashes are highest priority, frontend next, anything in mythtranscode, mythlogserver etc can wait for now |
| [00:48:53] | stuartm: | tgm4883: obviously triaging that number of tickets isn't easy, but there seems to be a bunch that are easily reproduced then we'll start there – rare crashes can often have very obscure causes and are difficult to debug |
| [00:50:10] | stuartm: | if you want, anything for a version older than 0.27.4 can automatically be closed, if it can't be reproduced with 0.27.4 then chances are it's already fixed |
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| [00:52:10] | tgm4883: | stuartm: sounds good. I'll get cracking |
| [00:53:49] | stuartm: | oh, it probably doesn't need to be said, but if there's no backtrace then it's no good to us |
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| [09:45:31] | dekarl1: | hm, unhandled Python exception still lead the list at https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=mythtv&period=month |
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| [09:49:13] | dekarl: | stuartm, automatically generated backtraces should be good after https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/ac . . . 4e038fbe04f0 |
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| [12:48:50] | henkpoley: | Anybody happens to know if MythTV 0.28 supports "hybrid" cards with multiple 'delsys' delivery systems (e.g. DVB-C and DVB-T/T2) |
| [13:00:18] | stuartm: | henkpoley: there's been no changes relating to that in 0.28, typically hybrid cards are exposed as multiple devices by the drivers and we support those just fine, but if the drivers for the card(s) you're talking about do something different then no, we don't support them |
| [13:01:33] | henkpoley: | stuartm: look for '.delsys' http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2260221 |
| [13:01:34] | henkpoley: | stuartm: a current workaround appears to be to set the delivery system with dvb-fe-tool |
| [13:02:12] | henkpoley: | stuartm: though if you tell me it ought to just work, I'll try some recompilation and mythtv-setup twiddling |
| [13:03:44] | henkpoley: | It didn't appear to work before I used DVBSky's adapted build system that hides the T and T2 support |
| [13:05:17] | henkpoley: | This DVBSky T680C has a single frontend0, not multiple ones (such as my old overheating TT CT-3650) |
| [13:05:23] | stuartm: | henkpoley: first I've heard of these devices so I can't guarantee that it will just work, I think they would have needed to make changes to the DVB API to accommodate such behaviour and our DVB code has not been touched in a long time |
| [13:05:53] | henkpoley: | That's why I'm pinging here :) |
| [13:06:24] | henkpoley: | I'm not too sure when this landed, but it was not in Linux 3.13 |
| [13:06:26] | stuartm: | :/ not sure why they felt the need to be different to every other hybrid card |
| [13:07:14] | stuartm: | we've certainly no support in the setup side of things for configuring the same device for two different roles, I think the work involved would be significant |
| [13:07:31] | stuartm: | locking the card to a single role would be much easier to support in the near term |
| [13:08:22] | henkpoley: | From what I understand lots of DVB-T + T2 devices have soft or hard auto-detect for T and T2. E.g. when you tune 'T2', it will override to T automatically. |
| [13:09:14] | henkpoley: | I wouldn't be surprised if this card could do c/t/t2 in this way. But by default mythtv just tells me "all tuners are in use" (e.g. no DVB-C/Annex_A available) |
| [13:09:48] | stuartm: | there's a patch which I'm reviewing for 0.28 which adds support for T/T2 switching, but auto-switching between C/T/T2 is more complicated |
| [13:10:00] | stuartm: | T/T2 are basically the same |
| [13:10:18] | henkpoley: | I don't know if c/t/t2 is possible, just mentioned it how it could work |
| [13:10:46] | stuartm: | henkpoley: you wouldn't be able to get both at the same time :) |
| [13:10:48] | henkpoley: | Since they appear to be combined in devices quite a lot |
| [13:13:44] | henkpoley: | I'm looking around a bit if there are other cards that do this the same as the T680C. |
| [13:15:25] | henkpoley: | Would the TDA18271 be able to do DVB-C Annex A (Europe) and Annex B (USA) and DVB-T & T and ISDB-T ? https://github.com/st7TEAM/openpli-oe-core/bl . . . delsys.patch |
| [13:18:10] | henkpoley: | also cxd2820r (again, look for ".delsys") :: https://github.com/mcmenaminadrian/vmufat/blo . . . 2820r_core.c |
| [13:20:17] | henkpoley: | If I'm reading it correctly the cxd2820r has been in Linux since 3.0 |
| [13:20:56] | henkpoley: | 20 Jan 2012 |
| [13:22:03] | henkpoley: | So that '.delsys' has been an array has been that way for the past 3 years |
| [13:23:31] | stuartm: | right, but if a driver defaults to the most commonly used value, as it appears some of these do then to MythTV they'd just appear as DVB-T cards |
| [13:25:13] | henkpoley: | I think mythtv only reads the first value of the array, indeed |
| [13:27:19] | stuartm: | the delivery system stuff isn't new, we've always supported reading the device capabilities, e.g. for switching between S and S2, but switching from C to T – i.e. completely different sources isn't something we've ever considered/supported |
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| [13:28:27] | henkpoley: | I don't really need switching, I just need a way to tell mythtv to use it as a DVB-C only device ;) |
| [13:29:03] | stuartm: | henkpoley: well then that's easier to do |
| [13:29:43] | henkpoley: | Edit tuner table in the database? |
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| [13:30:23] | stuartm: | henkpoley: for now maybe, but I'll look at patching mythtv-setup to support manual selection of type |
| [13:30:31] | henkpoley: | Sweet :) |
| [13:30:56] | henkpoley: | This tuner has a single input-plug btw. |
| [13:31:08] | henkpoley: | So no way to both get T and C at the same time |
| [13:31:55] | stuartm: | the more complicated matter of switching on the fly will take longer, but it's interesting and worth doing iff those tuners can handle a both duplexed onto a single input cable |
| [13:32:41] | stuartm: | henkpoley: right, but you can duplex signals onto one cable, I've got a quadplexer which combines DVB-S, DVB-T and DAB/FM onto one cable |
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| [13:33:13] | henkpoley: | If that were possible I'd think they would give me some kind of adapter plug to get both inputs (or just two plugs) |
| [13:33:17] | stuartm: | not sure if the same is possible for DVB-C and DVB-T, depends on the frequencies etc |
| [13:33:37] | henkpoley: | ah |
| [13:34:05] | stuartm: | henkpoley: fair enough, in which case only manual selection is required for now |
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| [13:35:03] | henkpoley: | The T9680 might interesting: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products.html |
| [13:35:14] | henkpoley: | S/S2 and C/T/T2 |
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| [13:44:26] | henkpoley: | C & T have almost overlapping frequencies btw. C: 48~870 MHz T/T2: 42~900 MHz. So simply binary switching based on chosen freq by card is not possible. |
| [13:51:25] | henkpoley: | btw, C2 has landed recently. I see Digital Devices Cine C2T2 V7 already has support. Though Linux support for this manufacturer has always been rather rough. So could be a while before you see anyone using that. |
| [13:51:38] | henkpoley: | DVB-C2 that is |
| [13:56:37] | stuartm: | rollout by providers will be very slow, they'd have to replace all the STBs in addition to the cost of actually deploying the hardware and updating their network |
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| [14:56:49] | henkpoley2: | Well, it just needs 1 cable provider at the end of it's set-top box cycle to roll out DVB-C2 ;) |
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| [15:03:37] | stuartm: | yes, but since the channels they move to DVB-C2 won't be tunable by customers with the older equipment they have to wait for all the old kit to be replaced tens, hundreds of thousands of STBs – that takes a huge investment or years of deployment |
| [15:05:43] | stuartm: | T2 and S2 had the advantage of being marketed as a way to receive HD, it wasn't actually a requirement, but it enabled them to sell it to customers as something above what they already had – so customers didn't lose out on something they already had |
| [15:07:00] | stuartm: | technically they could deploy C2 the same way, but they'd need to only put new channels on the C2 muxes – existing customers don't lose out on what they already receive, and may even pay extra to get the new STB giving them access to the new channels |
| [15:08:02] | stuartm: | decent new channels aren't commonplace, you can't just take the existing channels and up them to HD as in most cases they are already available in HD on DVB-C (well in most countries) |
| [15:13:42] | henkpoley2: | Just looked around a bit, and though QAM256 was surely deployed in 2006, it took till 2012 to full arrive here. I guess they'll might roll it up with deploying 4K (sports-)channels . |
| [15:14:01] | henkpoley2: | Could also take 6 years to deploy |
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| [15:51:50] | bas-t: | Anyway, I've got a C provider and all of my dvb adapters use si2168/si2157, so T/T2/C. Unless I patch the source (.delsys line now reads 'SYS_DVBC_ANNEX_A'), I won't be able to use the adapters. Ok, I could use dvb-fe tool. It would be very nice if mythtv-setup offered me the choise between T/T2/C mode |
| [15:58:35] | henkpoley2: | bas-t: stuartm previously said he'll look at it. He wasn't aware that there are cards that have both C and T/T2 on the same /dev/dvb/adapter?/frontend0 |
| [16:01:26] | henkpoley2: | Basically needs a bit of GUI in mythtv-setup and some changes in the tuner logic. If you want it fast you'll have to dig into the code yourself :P (itch and scratch) |
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| [16:14:15] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone have experience w/ ceton tuners ? |
| [16:15:19] | Hydr0p0nX: | have a recurring problem with mine, not necessarily Myth related but I keep having to replace the cable card |
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| [16:25:47] | henkpoley2: | Hydr0p0nX: you'd probably better talk to the #LinuxTV people. As they write the driver that talk to the CAM (?) |
| [16:26:39] | henkpoley2: | Hydr0p0nX: also, if you run `modinfo` on the module that's used to drive your card, it will show a maintainer email address |
| [16:27:31] | Hydr0p0nX: | thanks i'll try that ... I've been fighting this problem long enough that I'm considering replacing it with a hdhomerun prim |
| [16:28:27] | henkpoley2: | Yeah, in the end, unless you know where to modify the driver yourself, it's often easier to just go with better supported hardware. |
| [16:35:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | I honestly don't think it's a driver problem though |
| [16:36:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | just curious about whether or not anyone has seen similar behavior |
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| [17:38:21] | Hydr0p0nX: | I've ordered an hdhr3 prime that should be here monday, we'll see if it works any better or not |
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| [21:19:45] | stuarta: | evening all |
| [21:20:04] | stuarta: | stuartm: did not stripping the pcr packets work for our hdhr user? |
| [21:21:27] | stuartm: | stuarta: no, his problem was signal strength, he had an engineer in who fitted an amplifier and disconnected a pointless splitter and everything worked again |
| [21:22:13] | stuarta: | ah good |
| [21:23:40] | stuartm: | in fact I meant to re-word that commit message but forgot, it's more of a precaution to prevent any stream containing the PCR info being stripped – for 99.999% of encoders the PCR will be in the video stream, or maybe the primary audio and wouldn't be stripped anyway, but that patch is a precaution |
| [21:24:08] | stuarta: | agreed, it's what i would consider essential information |
| [21:24:28] | stuartm: | the mpeg-ts headers indicate which stream id carries the PCR info, so we just leave that stream untouched |
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| [22:20:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | when i change the ip address of my backsend server from localhost to a static and restart the backend and frontend, i keep getting an error from the frontend regarding the backend ip address ... is there something other than simply changing the backend ip address and restarting both backend and frontend? |
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| [22:52:06] | dekarl: | tlhiv_laptop: what error? You need to set the same ip in mythtv-setup in two places. (backend ip and master backend ip) |
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| [22:57:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | dekarl: i've set the same ip address in both places of the general setup, but now i'm getting the error: "Can't connect to the MySQL server on '192.168.1.11'" |
| [23:05:13] | tlhiv_laptop: | dekarl: i have it working now ... thanks |
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