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| [08:54:10] | stuarta: | morning |
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| [09:15:45] | stuarta: | sigh, what is up with this new version of replication now??? |
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| [12:30:44] | stuartm: | stuarta: forums down :( |
| [12:33:18] | stuarta: | wtf |
| [12:36:38] | stuarta: | well for a change the server is up and so is the vm |
| [12:38:30] | stuarta: | this is seriously beginning to piss me off |
| [12:42:20] | stuarta: | it's even 404'ing on a simple image load |
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| [14:44:37] | stuarta: | you are fucking kidding me |
| [14:44:56] | stuarta: | so you want to know what happened? |
| [14:47:29] | stuarta: | hmm, now this probably explains why i was having intermittent connectivity from home |
| [14:48:15] | stuarta: | so basically, the host, had an ipv6 neighbour entry for the forum vm, indicating that it was locate out on the phyical nic of the server |
| [14:49:23] | stuarta: | so a request from the forum went like this forum -> host -> outside side -> host which then dropped it in the firewall as end server (because of the neighbour entry) was back out the physical nic |
| [14:49:40] | ** stuarta facepalms ** | |
| [14:50:01] | stuarta: | now to work out why it was learnt in the first place |
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| [15:37:22] | stuartm: | it's all valuable experience :) |
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| [15:43:49] | stuarta: | i've seen that type of issue before, with unnamed hardware vendors hardware deciding to do that for arp packets |
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| [16:31:04] | dekarl: | What do you think about a "no episodes" filter to go with people searches? Now that I got better guide data I'm recording lots of crap series due to nice actors have appeared in them. |
| [16:35:55] | dekarl: | maybe with a simple "category_type<>'series'" |
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| [16:56:36] | dekarl: | ^- note to self, kNumFilters is 12 and leaves room for filterid 11 which is not defined yet, remember to leave room for another filter when I commit my new filter. |
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| [17:19:07] | stuarta: | stuartm: going to briefly break the forum again |
| [17:20:41] | stuarta: | breakage complete |
| [17:23:30] | kormoc: | stuarta, did replication break again? |
| [17:24:25] | stuarta: | kormoc: yep, took all of 1s |
| [17:24:42] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [17:24:46] | kormoc: | what's the message? |
| [17:25:32] | stuarta: | it's a more traditional breakage message |
| [17:25:37] | stuarta: | lemme find it |
| [17:26:32] | stuarta: | http://fpaste.org/148748/38118414/ |
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| [17:27:41] | kormoc: | that seems like the position wasn't correct |
| [17:28:02] | kormoc: | stuarta, I'd be happy to fight this battle tomorrow if you'd like. |
| [17:28:30] | stuarta: | if i'm around i'll ping you, i'm not often here on weekends |
| [17:29:07] | stuarta: | i'll try to attack it later tonight, in approx now() + 3–4hrs |
| [17:29:55] | kormoc: | Yeah, I'll still be at work :( |
| [17:30:08] | kormoc: | but let me know, I might be able to squeeze some time out |
| [17:35:03] | stuarta: | kormoc: it's the new position from the fresh dump, taken after a flush logs on the master, so it should only have the new record type |
| [17:35:12] | stuarta: | which i find odd |
| [17:35:30] | stuarta: | i'll retry the import later. at least that only takes 10 min |
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| [19:57:39] | gigem: | dekarl: kNumFilters can fairly easily be bumped to 32 or ever 64. Keep in mind, though, the number of standard, system filters was intended to be kept to a reasonable number with just filters having a very wide appeal. Support for more specialized filters was intended to be handled by allowing some level of user editable filters. That hasn't been done yet due to a lack of demand for it. |
| [20:02:03] | stuarta: | kormoc: sorted it. dumped the db in a different way. we have a lot of myisam tables, and i was using a dump option which only works on innodb tables. and now it's all in sync |
| [20:02:13] | stuarta: | `o/ |
| [20:02:16] | stuarta: | \o/ |
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| [20:55:01] | dekarl: | gigem, I thought it would go well with "identifieable episode", "new episode", "this episode" |
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| [21:31:09] | kormoc: | stuarta, Woot! :) |
| [21:46:25] | jpabq: | gigem: Personally, I think that "record only this showing" and "manual records" should completely ignore filters. I am constantly being bit by hitting 'R' in the program guide, and having it not record /that show/ because my 'default' filters got in the way. |
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| [21:48:16] | jpabq: | Then I hit 'E' and clear out the filters, but it still wont record, because it gets confused and tries to create two recording rules — one with filters and one without, but the one with takes precidence, and block the new filter-less one. |
| [22:02:30] | gigem: | dekarl: I understand. I just want to make sure people don't get carried away. FWIW, I sometimes wonder if filters shouldn't be tri-state with off, on and reversed being the states. |
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| [22:04:36] | gigem: | jpabq: I suggest you use more conservative default filters. :) Seriousely, the problem is some filters are channel based, not time based. What you want is a way for filters to designate which rule types they should be applied to. That was another thin left to be if demand warranted. |
| [22:05:58] | jpabq: | Still, if you are doing a "record only this showing" or "manual" record, what possible use are filters? You have difinitively specified what you want to be recorded... |
| [22:06:32] | paul-h: | stuartm: Roger was just asking did you receive the email he sent? |
| [22:07:12] | jpabq: | Adding the ability to specify different filters for different rule types would solve it. I am not sure that complexity buys much, though. |
| [22:13:52] | gigem: | jpabq: You're making the mistake of thinking everyone does or doesn't configure their channels the way you do. They don't. For example, my SD and HD versions of channels have the same callsign. That means kSingle and kManual recordings match both channels. If I want to explicitly choose one channel over the other, I use filters to do so. |
| [22:27:13] | stuartm: | paul-h: I did, I've been busy and it slipped my mind, I'll let him know that I got it and will reply in full tomorrow (I hope) |
| [22:28:53] | jpabq: | gigem: I admit, I am suprised you keep duplicate SD channels in your listings. Why would you ever want a SD version of a show, when HD is available? |
| [22:29:12] | jpabq: | But, your point is taken. |
| [22:33:01] | paul-h: | stuartm: OK thanks |
| [22:33:47] | paul-h: | I think he's just sent me the same patches so I'll give them a test tomorrow |
| [22:34:50] | skd5aner: | jpabq: for a long time I kept my HD and SD channels in my lineup, the reason at the time was that my SD tuners had a lower order than my HD ones, which allowed overflow on my SD channels if necessary. I've since done away with this for a few different reasons, but there are cases out there |
| [22:36:00] | skd5aner: | also, for a LONG time, it was much faster to navigate live TV on my SD tuners, and so sometimes I leverage SD for my primary Live TV channel surfing (when I did it on a limited basis0 |
| [22:37:40] | stuartm: | jpabq: can't speak for other countries, but here in the UK the SD channels are on different frequencies with different channels, so leaving the SD channels visible gives the scheduler more flexibility to avoid conflicts and use multirec to it's full potential |
| [22:39:09] | stuartm: | i.e. it lets the scheduler record two programmes in SD instead of one in HD and the other conflicting |
| [22:39:39] | jpabq: | I guess I am just an HD snob. I don't record ANYTHING if it is not in HD. |
| [22:40:18] | stuartm: | for me it's content, I'd rather it recorded in SD than not at all |
| [22:40:34] | stuartm: | preferring HD if possible |
| [22:41:29] | jpabq: | If it is something really good (like "Midsomer Murders") I can understand that — since it was not filmed in HD to begin with. |
| [22:41:49] | jpabq: | They have not shown "Midsomer Murders" (here) in a very, very long time, though. |
| [22:49:04] | dekarl: | isn't that a SD (NTSC source) vs. SD (PAL source) topic? |
| [22:50:00] | dekarl: | at least UK/US agreed to use 1080 instead of the 720 we got over here |
| [22:50:34] | dekarl: | good 576i vs. bad 720p makes all the SD/HD distinction moot |
| [22:50:51] | jpabq: | In the US, half our (broadcast) stations are 1080i and the other have are 720p. |
| [22:50:55] | jpabq: | half |
| [22:52:47] | dekarl: | Oh, didn't realize that. So you get the benefit of 1080i to 720p conversions (e.g. worldwide sport events), too? |
| [22:52:53] | jpabq: | I am dissapointed that people are settling for 60Hz for the new 4K standard. I think they should be pushing 120Hz. |
| [22:53:40] | jpabq: | Fox and ABC (ABC == ESPN) are 720p (for the 'smoother' sports action). NBC and CBS are 1080i (for the 'higher' resolution). |
| [22:54:16] | dekarl: | isn't it time to leave the 50/60Hz, whatever your power outlet carries, fps behind and e.g. move to 48p or 72p and avoid all the pull up/down? |
| [22:55:28] | dekarl: | after all 4k is about the quality of 70mm film |
| [22:56:26] | gigem: | jpabq: Besides the reasons others have already given, I also do it for scheduling convenience in the EPG. All but a handful of the channels I receive come in both SD and HD versions. The SD versions all have low numbers (2 through 499) and the HD versions all have high numbers (501 through 999, usually SD + 500). Because the EPG starts on the low numbers, and the low numbers has fewer missing (aka HD-only) |
| [22:56:27] | gigem: | channels, that's where I typically schedule. If I always went to the high numbers first, there would be a lot more missing (aka SD-only) channels to deal with. Now, I have also become somewhat HD-snobbish myself. To make sure I don't record from an SD channel when there is an HD equivalent, I have a custom filter that is on by default and doesn't match the SD channels in those cases. The end restult is I |
| [22:56:29] | gigem: | can create kSingle or kOverride rules or other rules with the 'This channel' filter on the SD version in the EPG, but make sure it will only ever record from the HD equivalent. |
| [22:57:25] | jpabq: | gigem: I understand. |
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| [22:59:15] | jpabq: | gigem: My example would not be so agravating, except it is a silent failure compounded by the fact that if I re-select the episode and hit 'E' to try to 'fix' the rule, I am not actually fixing the bad rule, but (silently) creating a second rule for the same showing, that gets ignored because the first rule takes precedence. |
| [23:00:07] | dekarl: | I wonder when the old 70mm 3D film get release in new 4K 3D digital remaster glory... (looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_70_mm_films ) |
| [23:00:09] | jpabq: | I have to go in and find the first rule, and delete it, before I can successfully create a filter-free rule to actually record the episode. |
| [23:01:24] | gigem: | jpabq: I understand, but don't have a good solution at the moment. What is the troublesome filter? |
| [23:01:52] | jpabq: | "this series" and "not unidentified" (or whatever it is called). |
| [23:03:15] | jpabq: | That is my default filter for a "series". Often when I am recording a single episode, I am selecting a show which is unidentified. |
| [23:04:32] | jpabq: | I /try/ to remember to always hit 'E' intead of 'R' now, but when I forget it becomes painful to fix. |
| [23:07:29] | gigem: | I understand. I think the only general solution is the rule type applicability I mentioned earlier. Of course, you could put your own little hack in your private version. I've still got a few 'too specific to me' things in my private version. |
| [23:12:09] | jpabq: | Normally, if you create a single-record rule (that doesn't get discarded due to rules), you can then hit 'E' and edit that rule. I wonder why that does not work, for rules which get filtered out? |
| [23:12:21] | jpabq: | I am talking about on the Program Guide. |
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| [23:17:06] | gigem: | That's because the first rule technically doesn't match anything, so it's not associated with the program in the EPG. Does it show up as rsNotListed in Upcoming? If so, there might be a way to force a match for that type of situation. |
| [23:19:34] | jpabq: | Yes, it shows as Not Listed in upcomming. |
| [23:23:55] | gigem: | Okay. No promises, but I'll think about what can be done. Feel free to ping me in the future about it. |
| [23:24:36] | jpabq: | gigem: thanks. While you are at it, you can fix ffmpeg so it doesn't segfault on a small percentage of my recordings in mythcommflag ;-) |
| [23:26:31] | jpabq: | I am surprised that even the ffmpeg experts can manage that code base. |
| [23:40:08] | skd5aner: | dekarl: I've got a 4k set... only bought it cause it was last years model and about 50% off, so I thought why the heck not |
| [23:40:25] | skd5aner: | was going to buy a tv anyway |
| [23:42:05] | dekarl: | skd5aner: does your frontend drive the 4k well? e.g. play back some of the 4k demos and show the theme well? |
| [23:43:50] | skd5aner: | No... I still have an old gt 240, just pushing 1080p right now |
| [23:44:08] | skd5aner: | I was going to let nvidia sort through the mess and let the cost drop before upgrading |
| [23:44:21] | skd5aner: | Don't have any 4k sources of programming anyway |
| [23:44:39] | skd5aner: | although netflix does stream 4k shows via it's smart tv app |
| [23:44:46] | skd5aner: | *its |
| [23:47:48] | skd5aner: | actually, my biggest complaint is that I have to switch the input to PC mode, which eliminates almost all of the picture controls on the TV |
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