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Thursday, June 19th, 2014, 00:01 UTC

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jya_:

dekarl: For OMX, you donâ€™t want to do just decoding with it. you want to do the lot: audio decoding, video decoding and presentation

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dekarl:

jya, I remember you said that something like that before. Just wanted to connect to the post on the forum, as feature patches can get overlooked there easily.

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jya_:

dekarl: thanks for the linkâ€¦

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jya_:

itâ€™s better than what we have at the moment for sure

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jya_:

how do you access the guide while watching TV?

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jya_:

f(found it via menu -> schedule)..

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jya_:

stichnot: Iâ€™ve backported the following commits to get the â€œswitch to this channelâ€ in the guide:

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jya_:

c0c5299ab82f638157b17ba13af154f73c27a40d, e3ee97cd75d58b5ac9420c2b8b5f624e4c368de2, eb13dd5af48535c64196c9c6aa5e5235f37f6555, 77ddcc1b0f7b3fe791eadeb0fd111eb834d9c1ad, c5f22566150e27cd977dc9e27aa2a4f683517eba (add the entry to the top level menu) , 98c908842bd26ee0afd6c02d305594796b8d6b43

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stuartm:

jya_: S will allow bring up the guide

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jya_:

S?

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jya_:

okayâ€¦ :)

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jya_:

dekarl: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2819535/un . . . 4735#2824735 that is wrong..

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jya_:

even though it does make sense

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jya_:

an object is const means the object itself canâ€™t be modified.

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jya_:

but you can still modify object it contains and not directly part of the object:

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jya_:

e.g. you can modify the content a member points to

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jya_:

I agree with your commit, itâ€™s the right thing to do not making the object const at all

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jya_:

but the reason for doing so are technically incorrect

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jya_:

e.g. thereâ€™s nothing wrong with freeing a const object.

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jya_:

const QString *str = new QString(â€œblahâ€); delete str;

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jya_:

is perfectly valid

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dekarl:

aye, delete and free work differently in that regard

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dekarl:

also I wonder if we have the right const * vs. * const in every place. After reading the explanation I think I had it wrong often...

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dekarl:

and the new C++ standard still has no static const member functions :/

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dekarl:

btw, is there a tool/option that points out "this parameter/variable is never written to, consider making it const"?

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jya_:

dekarl: if you check the implementation of delete, youâ€™ll see that with most compiler for basic type itâ€™s just a free

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jya_:

const * and * const are identical, itâ€™s just semantic

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jya_:

I like const * personally, itâ€™s more readable to me

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jya_:

char const * or const char *

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jya_:

that is

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jya_:

not const char * vs char * const

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dekarl:

hmm, I understood there is some difference between "pointer to const data" and "const pointer to data" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Const-correctnes . . . d_references

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stuartm:

odd, no trace of that spam in the log

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dekarl1:

stuartm, I found the deletion button for the ticket after hitting the "delete as spam" on the admin panel

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dekarl:

sorry, if it caused confusion :/

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stuartm:

ah, yeah, that just deletes the log entry not the ticket itself :)

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stuartm:

but at least it was put in the bayes database as spam

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wagnerrp:

but what if i wanted a way to truly save cash instantly online...

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dekarl:

yes, it was considered ham before (saying "marked as ham" as if someone marked it. But I guess that's just confusing terminology)

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: simple! Cut up your credit cards ;)

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** buu pokes wagnerrp **

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wagnerrp:

?

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buu:

wagnerrp: How do I change the default sort order for videos?

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wagnerrp:

i don't believe you can

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buu:

!

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buu:

I am outraged.

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buu:

Where do I get a refund?

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dekarl:

that's not an issue for the manufacturer, please contact your reseller

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jya:

dekarl: Iâ€™m not talking about the difference between const char *foo, and char * const foo. Thereâ€™s a difference. where thereâ€™s no difference is const char foo and char const foo;

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jya:

buu: master (and future 0.27.2) have a natural sort order. Eg. 2 < 10.

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jya:

with 0.27, 10 is displayed before 2

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buu:

jya: None of this exictes me

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buu:

=[

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buu:

I know it can sort by episode number

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jya:

well, the source code is available on https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv; you can click on the fork button. Write your changes and create a pull request.

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buu:

There's a thought

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jya:

your change will then be included in the next version

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jya:

can add sort by date, genre, name, star rating. Would be nice

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buu:

jya: It has that!

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buu:

Or most of that

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buu:

I just want to change the default =[

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jya:

well there you go then

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean by "the default"? there are no configurable options in sort order

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wagnerrp:

oh, sort by something other than name

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wagnerrp:

i got it

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buu:

If you open the options menu in the.. yeah

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dekarl:

jya, ok, that matches what I've been learning lately

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: we should maybe store the last used sort

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wagnerrp:

but we still don't actually allow altering the sort

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wagnerrp:

you can use the metadata tree generators to change the names that are being sorted

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wagnerrp:

but it always sorts off those names

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stuartm:

ordered/grouped then :)

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stuartm:

whatever we call the feature that buu is using, changes should probably be persistent rather than resetting when you leave the screen

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stuarta:

afternoon all (in T-3mins)

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stichnot:

jya: thanks for doing the live TV / guide backports.

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stichnot:

now I don't have to figure out how to safely test 0.27 with my production DB :)

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stichnot:

There is the new translatable string "Watch This Channel" – I guess the translators will just discover this and update the translations at some point?

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stuartm:

who added the "List Recorded Episodes" item to the menu in PBB?

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stichnot:

stuartm: me, given a patch from Angela Schmid

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stuartm:

doesn't do anything here

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stuartm:

perhaps it's dependent on using the title group feature?

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stuartm:

yep, seems to be, I'll disable it when the title group isn't being used

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stuartm:

sphery, wagnerrp: is the media file schema stuff likely to make it in for 0.28? The proper fix for the Sony upnp bug requires knowing exactly what type of video we're serving up (TS/PS etc) and it would easiest if that information was stored in the database when the file is first recorded/imported

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stuartm:

obviously I'd rather include that in the proposed 'file' table instead of the recorded/videofile tables

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stuarta:

or transcoded

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stuartm:

yep

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** stuarta hugs lvm thin provisioning **

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stuartm:

hmm, there is the 'recordedfile' table ... don't remember that being added

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stuartm:

ah, but it's unused

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stuarta:

i would love to verify all the database tables are still in use, and drop any unused ones

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RedPenguin:

Is there any support currently for MythTV for Windows with a CableCARDed HDHomeRUN Prime?

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dekarl:

stuartm: the error message looks fishy, does it ring any bells? http://pastebin.com/kD6K1wNF

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dekarl:

re http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2014-06-19:19:42

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dekarl:

"E Â MainServer: Received malformed ANN query" I'd expect it to say "ANN Monitor query" (its master)

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stuartm:

there's nothing wrong with that ANN string that I can see ... ANN {type} {hostname} {sendevents}

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stuartm:

so the hostname for the client in that case is 'home'

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stuartm:

sorry, just thinking out loud

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stuartm:

dekarl: that is definitely strange

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wagnerrp:

we don't use []:[] in ANN statements

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wagnerrp:

it's expecting space deliminated arguments, and not finding any

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wagnerrp:

the only reason i can think a slave backend would be initiating a Moniter connection would be the reverse link for events

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wagnerrp:

and that connection requested no events

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wagnerrp:

if he had stuck around, i would have asked for a full file log, rather than just a terminal log, so we could get filenames and line numbers

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stuartm:

you're right, ANN is space delimited ... the mystery deepens

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stuartm:

deliminated

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stuartm:

unless someone has recently added a new slave <> master connection which is using WriteStringList he's got to be using a (broken) patch

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9cd4b . . . 15d022d8de35 uses it to check the time zone

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stuartm:

ahh, there you go then

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dekarl:

split(" ")?

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** wagnerrp eyes stuartm **

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wagnerrp:

:)

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stuartm:

so I must have broken it somehow

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stuartm:

well, it was broken before, I just broke it a little more

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wagnerrp:

a thunderbird upgrade decided to reset all my threaded browsing selections

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wagnerrp:

that said, it's damned fast at turning threading on

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stuartm:

oh, damn, no, I really did break it in a really stupid way

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

just remove the one line, and change the variable, and it should be fine... :P

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stuartm:

don't even remember doing that bit, must have been on autopilot

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wagnerrp:

i'm going to be in town for the next several months. i'm going to make a hard push to get things migrated to the protocol library

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wagnerrp:

hopefully that will neaten things up and prevent such future issues

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wagnerrp:

but at the moment... dinner

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xris:

was chatting with kormoc last night and he mentioned that you guys were still pondering hardware options vs just using servers provided by OSU... Figured I should remind you that schedules direct would probably be happy to donate some money toward the cause

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xris:

ah, and there's an email thread about it today. cool,.

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stuartm:

xris: we'd be interested in acquiring new hardware, get the distinct impression from OSL that they want new kit, the VM we've been offered is enough to keep us afloat for now but it doesn't give us the flexibility we'd like nor any room to expand

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xris:

yeah, had a chat with kormoc about that last night. he and his girlfriend both have contacts at OSU and can coordinate hardware delivery..

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xris:

so it's easy enough if we can identify some hardware to purchase. heck, maybe osu even has an existing supplier they like to work with and SD can pay them directly.

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stuartm:

stuarta is coordinating things atm

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jya:

stichnot: I think the â€œWAtch this channelâ€ in the EPG should be shown when you press Enter/Select than having to press menu

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xris:

figured that. if you see him before I do, feel free to have him ping me.

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stuartm:

will do

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jya:

stuartm: so the oould be ption to directly jump of the group of episodes should be disabled under some circumstances?

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stuartm:

personally I'd like our own hardware if only so we can contain various bits and pieces within their own VM as a measure of security

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stuartm:

jya: if the user hasn't got the 'group by title' option enabled then the menu button doesn't do anything at all, so to avoid confusion it probably shouldn't be shown

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jya:

I find the idea of using an old piece of hardware, completely overspec for what we need very disappointing. itâ€™s a total waste of energy.

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stuartm:

jya: we wouldn't be using old hardware ...

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jya:

would much prefer that we wait to see how the VM goes , for a start Iâ€™m confident itâ€™s way more than what we need

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stuartm:

I don't group by title (way too many films for it to serve any useful purpose), but instead by category

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jya:

wife was happy with that option, she could easily find the instance of â€œThe voiceâ€ she wanted

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stuartm:

jya: a single VM doesn't give us the ability to test changes before they are rolled out

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jya:

problem searching in any of that screen is uselessâ€¦

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stuartm:

oh?

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jya:

stuartm: and why couldnâ€™t you? if itâ€™s the web server, set a virtual host and use thatâ€¦ etc.. never had a problem using a single machine.

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stuartm:

jya: not getting rid of the option, sounds like you use title grouping anyway, so it wouldn't affect you

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jya:

for the searching, with just my remote control, the only available option is scrolling up/down

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jya:

stuartm: oh, I understand what you want to do

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jya:

just wondering when youâ€™ll do it thatâ€™s all, I want to finalise 0.27.2 quickly

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jya:

maybe we could change so itâ€™s not watch that episode

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jya:

but watch that category instead

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stuartm:

jya: not just talking about web server configuration, we've got a whole bunch of different stuff on alcor, we can't test stuff like ssh config changes, distro updates, git configs easily with a single VM – which isn't to say we couldn't manage to get by, but if we can keep a dedicated server then why wouldn't we want to?

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stuartm:

jya: we could change the option to work with other groupings, but it's made more complicated by the fact that we allow multiple different grouping modes to be enabled at once

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stuartm:

so it's easier for now just to hide the option entirely when the title grouping mode is disabled

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stuartm:

it would be nice for 0.28 to sort by series/episode in the title group

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stuartm:

so that episodes are shown in the correct order even if they were recorded out of sequence

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stuartm:

should be a relatively simple patch if there are any users out there who are looking to contribute – a custom sorting method which looks at series/episode dropped into playbackbox.cpp in the right place ...

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stichnot:

jya: I forget the precise reasoning for the choice of menu for the "Watch This Channel" entry, but I vaguely recall philosophical discussions of MENU versus SELECT, and of course http://xkcd.com/1172/

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stichnot:

If the question is simply which menu it should be put in, why not both?

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jya:

stichnot: LOLâ€¦

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** jya bbl, dropping kids at school **

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stuartm:

I tend to agree that it should be in the 'action' menu rather than the 'option' menu

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jya:

stichnot: I guess, for me selecting a channel is going to be the most commonly used option. so being able to only use direction keys/select is more intuitive

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jya:

having the guide in the main menu is a bug plus though, I like it

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jya:

about once a day on my mac, when the frontend has been left idle for a long time. I always get a crash in the MSqlDatabase destructor, on m_db.close(). This is called from MDBManager::PurgeIdleConnection

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