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[00:35:34] | jya: | stuarta: still can’t check out www, permission denied |
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[03:48:51] | jya: | just found a leak in our mpegts demuxer… seems to have been introduced in https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8e130 . . . ae9829733ac |
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[03:49:36] | jya: | a codec is allocated, but then right after, sect->st = av_new_stream(sect->stream, sect->pid); is reallocated that makes all the memory allocated so far disappear in limbo |
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[05:13:20] | jya: | is there much dual language video these days? |
[05:13:59] | jya: | our patch for detection of such videos is never going to apply easily with the new ffmpeg api… |
[05:14:18] | jya: | why they thought they could just change a perfectional workable api, I’m not sure. |
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[08:18:34] | stuarta: | jya: you need someone from somewhere like sweden to answer that |
[08:33:47] | jya: | pfffff… so many structure members are deprectaed or gone... |
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[09:00:00] | dekarl: | jya, are you talking about dual language analog tv? aka german stereo? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweikanalton |
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[09:00:31] | jya: | now that’s not that |
[09:00:39] | dekarl: | e.g. Arte stopped transmitting that in 2011 http://www.arte.tv/sites/de/faqde/2012/07/04/ . . . n-sendungen/ |
[09:00:59] | jya: | I believe it’s the program where on the left channel you have one language, and on the right channel you have another |
[09:01:12] | dekarl: | yes, that's german stereo :) |
[09:01:31] | jya: | I had seen a Polish transmission |
[09:01:43] | jya: | there was nothing about analog reception in the file I had |
[09:02:27] | dekarl: | hmm, I though the usage in digital tv is only for reasons of compatibility with analog broadcasts |
[09:02:30] | jya: | assuming it was originally transmitted as that wikipedia article, it’s unlikely to exist today right? |
[09:03:54] | jya: | in any case, I’ve applied our changes to support this back in ffmpeg 2.2 |
[09:03:58] | dekarl: | I would expect the broadcasters to switch to dual mono or dual stereo for the digital transmissions. |
[09:04:02] | jya: | but where it used to be a single line of code |
[09:04:21] | jya: | it’s now modifying 5 files, and I’m 100% sure that will break future resync in a painful way |
[09:04:48] | dekarl: | If its not to much work (or already done) it could be nice for existing recordings. not sure if it is still in use |
[09:05:21] | ** dekarl one ups the "DVB-SI collector" project so we can collect information about real broadcasts from our userbase ** | |
[09:06:51] | stuarta: | dekarl: where's that project? |
[09:07:31] | dekarl: | stuarta... its on "the list". |
[09:07:44] | stuarta: | haha. smolt extension? |
[09:07:55] | dekarl: | conceptually yes, practically no |
[09:08:35] | dekarl: | need it to collect specimen of the dvb sections to build fixups for NIT/PAT/PMT/SDT/EIT etc |
[09:08:54] | dekarl: | might as well collect the equivalent of channels.conf for our icon matching service |
[09:09:20] | dekarl: | and the PMT for the "is zweikanalton still in use after the move to digital" question |
[09:09:24] | stuarta: | we need to make the icon matching service user approved |
[09:10:04] | stuarta: | ie. so when the logo is changed by the broadcaster, the users can say this is the old logo, and we mark it depreciated |
[09:10:12] | dekarl: | stuarta, kind of musicbrainz style voting? |
[09:10:18] | jya: | ffmpeg resync: 1796 modified file, 120 deleted, 36 renamed, 6 added. |
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[09:10:34] | stuarta: | dekarl: i dunno what musicbrainz voting it like |
[09:10:51] | jya: | I think it’s our biggest so far… and only reason it’s that little is that I’ve re-enabled some old API |
[09:13:20] | dekarl: | stuarta http://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_Editing_Works basically you can edit everything and its applied after seven days or x unanimous votes |
[09:13:48] | dekarl: | basically an extended mix of wiki without approval and wiki with approval |
[09:16:55] | stuarta: | ooo that sounds really nice |
[09:17:28] | stuarta: | now how to i write a forum mod to approve icons.... |
[09:22:20] | dekarl: | stuarta, maybe talk to snouf and work together on a community database for channel icons with a nice license? Then every project can import the mapping :) |
[09:22:53] | stuarta: | it's definitely a non trivial piece of work |
[09:23:11] | dekarl: | stuarta, see https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=142 |
[09:23:19] | stuarta: | i also want the icon fetching to be a background operation and something we can review in the frontend |
[09:24:01] | dekarl: | hmm, why not upload the channel scan and do the matching with a proper browser on a real computer? |
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[09:25:19] | dekarl: | hmm, but then we could also collect a map of the regional derived channels... |
[09:25:34] | dekarl: | I wonder how far SnouF is ;) |
[09:26:02] | stuarta: | sigh, why don't we control our dns and slave it to osuosl |
[09:54:17] | jya: | we could re-add xvmc support very easily :) |
[09:54:26] | jya: | it’s available via hwaccel API |
[09:59:14] | stuarta: | \o/ |
[10:15:20] | jya: | xvmc was decoding only or also rendering ? |
[10:15:23] | jya: | can’t remember |
[10:20:45] | stuarta: | iirc it was only for rendering |
[10:21:06] | jya: | i thought it decoded mpeg2 only |
[10:21:27] | stuarta: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Video_Motion_Compensation |
[10:21:54] | jya: | so it does help decoding |
[10:25:06] | stuarta: | wasn't XvMC support one of the blockers to simplifying the entire output layer to only do GL ? |
[10:36:23] | stuarta: | anyway, that's completely irrelevant if it's hidden behind hwaccel API |
[10:43:47] | dekarl: | jya: your hwaccel work means we can have VDPAU + OpenGL? (hoping to get back automatic detection/removal of passe-partout due to 16:9 video letterboxed in 4:3 frame pillar-boxed on a 16:9 display) |
[10:44:12] | jya: | dekarl: no… vdpau decode requires vdpau rendering |
[10:44:25] | jya: | hwaccel is just the new ffmpeg API. |
[10:44:40] | jya: | it’s a common api for all hw decoding + render (when render is supported) |
[10:45:14] | jya: | basically, now ffmpeg calls directly the routine we provide to render the decoded data |
[10:45:27] | jya: | we’ve been using hwaccel with vaapi for a while |
[10:45:47] | jya: | in 1.2 it was extended for vdpau too (though, not very usable) |
[10:46:11] | jya: | in 2.2, all hw method are supported that way: dxva, vda, vdpau, vaapi, xvmc |
[10:47:03] | jya: | we still need all the code we currently have, except that it’s up to ffmpeg to call them now, rather than messing around between the decoder and the player |
[10:48:14] | dekarl: | ok, so we still need to build a different solution to get back the automatic border removal with hardware decoding |
[10:50:31] | stuarta: | sounds far more efficient |
[10:50:34] | jya: | if you find someone what implemented it, can copy what they’ve done |
[10:50:54] | jya: | there is an NV extension for vdpau |
[10:51:06] | jya: | it allows to map an openGL surface to a vdpau surface |
[10:51:12] | jya: | so you can extract the content |
[10:51:34] | jya: | or draw in an openGL surface directly |
[10:51:37] | jya: | we don’t use that one |
[10:51:42] | jya: | xbmc does. |
[10:51:52] | jya: | the nouveau driver doesn’t support it |
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[12:39:40] | dekarl: | btw, is there a special reason that we avoid NULL in the database? |
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[12:58:26] | Ranger847: | hi room :) |
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[13:08:04] | wagnerrp: | guess he was expecting a response? |
[13:15:44] | stuarta: | clearly needed -users if he was calling this a room |
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[13:24:10] | sphery: | dekarl: In SQL NULL != NULL, so makes comparisons much easier. Where we don't use the field in comparisons it wouldn't matter much. |
[13:28:19] | stuartm: | stuarta: we dropped XvMC because supporting it was complicated and with modern computers largely pointless, iirc it also limited the OSD to black and white? Xv was what we were proposing to drop because we can't render the OSD at it's proper resolution, it has to be composited to the video frame before the frame is upscaled to the screen resolution which looks awful, especially with SD on an HD screen |
[13:29:23] | stuarta: | see i knew somebody would know :) |
[13:33:18] | stuartm: | I believe there were ways around those restriction, but they would have negated the speed up provided by XvMC and made Xv rendering even slower, while also making the code even more complicated ... so not worthwhile, especially not after the options of opengl and vdpau became available |
[13:34:30] | dekarl: | sphery: it depends. but yes, that and all the "not NULL DEFAULT '0000-00–00 00:00:00'" that must be send explicitely because you can't bind DEFAULT to a parameter. |
[13:34:35] | stuartm: | in theory opengl would work for anyone, in practice until recently opengl performance with some drivers (intel primarily) has been crap |
[13:35:10] | stuartm: | dekarl: hope that Next Recording sort works as you expected |
[13:38:54] | dekarl: | sphery: found it https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/619b0 . . . df48d9c414e9 I would have preferred to just use "IS NULL" instead |
[13:41:18] | dekarl: | stuartm, already saw that commit, need to update tonight or so |
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[14:53:21] | stuarta: | stuartm: nice work on the menu overlay |
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[15:16:45] | stuartm: | couldn't come up with an entirely satisfactory solution for keeping the guide timebar static with css, so I've been experimenting with a javascript jQuery plugin carousel based approach which had some promise, until I tried it on my phone and tablet |
[15:17:02] | stuarta: | uh oh |
[15:17:47] | stuartm: | no wonder everyone says native html 5 'apps' are a waste of time, even in these latest gen browsers with 'superfast javascript', it all runs way too slow |
[15:20:45] | stuartm: | it seemed like a good idea too, where the guide you'd be able to pan around the guide using gestures on both the tablet and desktop pretty much exactly as it works in mythfrontend, but it takes a couple of seconds to respond to input |
[15:24:38] | stuarta: | sigh |
[15:33:58] | stuartm: | no matter, will perhaps revisit this at another time, plenty of more important things to be done first |
[15:34:09] | stuarta: | too many |
[16:15:29] | stuartm: | http://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/ . . . od-parts.jpg |
[16:17:55] | stuarta: | haha |
[16:18:40] | Merlin83b: | lol |
[16:19:13] | jheizer: | hahaha |
[16:20:09] | dekarl: | o'rly? ;) |
[16:31:36] | dekarl: | stuartm, yes, that's what I had in mind ty. Should this list fetch more then 10 rows, like the list of recordings? |
[16:34:30] | stuartm: | dekarl: yes, should load more on-demand |
[16:35:12] | dekarl: | hmm, need to debug why it doesn't then |
[16:35:40] | dekarl: | just had the backend crash when I hit "edit rule" but can't reproduce :/ |
[16:46:54] | dekarl: | haha, found the crash dump from apport... the backtrace is not that helpful (apport fails to download the symbols due to a deleted PPA, meh) http://paste.ubuntu.com/7545204/ |
[16:48:07] | stuartm: | dekarl: in the webfrontend? |
[16:48:16] | dekarl: | stuartm: yes |
[16:48:41] | dekarl: | My idea was, that maybe the backtrace could be interesting if i can't reproduce |
[16:48:42] | stuartm: | can probably guess at the reason for the crash, if not exactly the bit leading up to it |
[16:49:08] | dekarl: | I'm trying to fix my apt sources to get symbols for qt |
[16:50:12] | stuartm: | the services API uses a lot of 'throw's but possibly due to a bug in QT those aren't handled correctly when invoked through QScript – it's a known issue and dblain was talking about replacing the throw/catch stuff with another error handling mechanism |
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[16:51:07] | dekarl: | oh my, now its pulling in a year worth of updates to all packages... but its including the symbols, for the updates :) |
[16:51:55] | dekarl: | at least I'll get a better backtrace if I reproduce it |
[16:53:56] | stuartm: | if it's what I think it is, the backtrace won't really help, it's one of the three "throw" in Dvr::GetRecordSchedule() – i.e. we've fed bad data to that API endpoint :) |
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[16:55:15] | stuartm: | more useful would be figuring out how we came to call GetRecordSchedule with that bad data (until we can replace the throws) |
[16:56:37] | dekarl: | what does count as bad data? A deleted but still referred channel? |
[16:57:46] | dekarl: | lol? Get:157 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/multiverse mythtv-common amd64 2:0.25.2+fixes.20120802.46cab93–0ubuntu1 [13.4 MB] |
[16:59:23] | dekarl: | I guess thats why smolt still is reporting lots of 0.25.2 |
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[17:02:56] | superm1: | dekarl: yeah people who haven't opted into autobuilds |
[17:04:29] | dekarl: | superm1: 14.04 comes with a fixes version instead of 0.27.0? |
[17:04:43] | superm1: | dekarl: yes it's a fixes snapshot past 0.27.0 i believe |
[17:04:52] | dekarl: | judging from the version shift on smolt after its release |
[17:05:00] | superm1: | and i have an SRU that's waiting to be acked for bringing up to 0.27.1 |
[17:05:15] | dekarl: | sounds good |
[17:05:23] | superm1: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/1323391 |
[17:24:27] | stuartm: | dekarl: that's what we need to figure out, could be an issue in the webfrontend client side code, we're passing in an malformed date string for starttime or an invalid/incorrect recrule id, you will probably find that it crashes every time for that same programme/rule/recording |
[17:37:30] | dekarl: | stuartm: been going through the list, everything worked. need to figure out what changed... when it crashed it was directly after the backend upgrade with an old frontend (protocol mismatch) still running. maybe some data cache was still cold or some other race |
[17:37:39] | dekarl: | I'll try again later |
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[17:38:11] | stuartm: | ok |
[17:39:31] | stuartm: | I am making the assumption that it was one of the unhandled throw segfaults because I hit those a lot during development of the WFE, but maybe it was something else entirely |
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[17:51:21] | stuartm: | this is a fun to read article, maybe not all that surprising to most of us, but maybe that's why it's so enjoyable – http://sealedabstract.com/rants/why-mobile-web-apps-are-slow/ |
[17:52:23] | stuartm: | the middle section about how bad garbage collection is for performance is particularly entertaining |
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[20:50:41] | JohnBergqvist: | I have a problem with mythweb, it's stopped loading my video covers in the video browser. The symlink is correct on the system, but as far as the webserver is concerned, it can't find this path: mythweb/pl/coverart/. Well, it can't even find /pl/, I just get an "object not found" error |
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