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| [00:15:47] | skd5aner: | so, by a lack of comments, I can assume everyoen agrees with me? :D |
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| [05:17:42] | dekarl: | skd5aner: please don't spam trac. We're not getting to the tickets as it is now (look at the "untriaged report"). And because design by commitee is crap. if one user wants to wrtie up a concept for a new feature in wiki and collects user storys on the forum, that could work. |
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| [06:28:16] | wagnerrp: | something's burning up alcor |
| [06:28:34] | wagnerrp: | 32 load average and climbing |
| [06:33:33] | wagnerrp: | seems to have passed. not sure what was going on |
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| [07:11:05] | dekarl: | stuartm, can we replace "Request" with "Suggestion"? https://forum.mythtv.org/viewforum.php?f=9 I stole the idea from http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=1002 . . . 9#pid1691929 |
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| [07:37:32] | dekarl: | I suggest we add the users and devs to OpenMortal and let them fight out the places on the Feature Implementation Plan http://apocalypse.rulez.org/~upi/Mortal/cgi-bin/characters.cgi :D |
| [07:37:32] | dekarl: | Oh and integrate it into the frontend so multiple persons in front of the TV can decide which movie to watch based on a fair criteria^Hfight |
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| [08:14:21] | stuarta: | stuartm: yeah i saw that about the forum, it is tho according to the analytics, we are getting referrals from search engines |
| [08:15:55] | stuarta: | tbh, i think it's lack of content that is relevant to what is being searched |
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| [08:27:47] | stuarta: | video conferencing? what a world of pain |
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| [09:03:16] | stuartm: | dekarl: suggestion is much better |
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| [09:36:00] | stuartm: | dekarl: https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&am . . . p;p=636#p636 |
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| [09:47:13] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, link to the last release's notes https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes |
| [09:50:06] | stuarta: | stuartm: nice |
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| [09:55:58] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: thanks |
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| [10:38:36] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, re "Consider helping out and making yourself known to the community first." we need a good "how to help us" landing page |
| [10:41:24] | stuartm: | yeah, we can re-work or plunder http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Contribute |
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| [12:23:37] | dekarl-work: | hmm, we could send the RPi disussion to our dedicated SystemOnChip list at http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-soc/ |
| [12:26:34] | stuarta: | is anybody on that? |
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| [12:57:44] | dekarl-work: | stuarta, I was trying to make a joke. And move the trolls out of my view. |
| [12:58:26] | dekarl-work: | its an old summer of code list from 2006 (we did participate in gsoc? wheee) I bet its dead |
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| [12:59:21] | stuarta: | ;-) |
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| [13:18:58] | stuartm: | dekarl-work: one year, wasn't a complete success, iirc only one project out of the 5–6 actually delivered anything |
| [13:19:43] | stuartm: | might be worth trying again one year, but it needs the 'supervisors' to keep the students on a very tight rein |
| [13:20:41] | dekarl-work: | I think it may make sense, once the post 0.28 old-baggage-removal-release is out the door... |
| [13:20:50] | stuarta: | at this point we can't even find the time to manage ourselves |
| [13:20:56] | stuartm: | seems that without structure a lot of students don't actually want to work during their holiday |
| [13:20:56] | dekarl-work: | but before that its just going to result in disappointment |
| [13:21:59] | Merlin83b: | I don't think many open source efforts have managers as such – individuals doing what tickles their fancy for sure but not in a managed and coordinated kind of way :) |
| [13:22:02] | stuartm: | I think the feature suggestion forum could use a rating plugin, can anyone recommend one? |
| [13:22:14] | stuartm: | or failing that, does anyone have the time to look at the options? |
| [13:22:59] | dekarl-work: | stuartm, also a plugin to vote on helpful posts/people would be nice |
| [13:23:23] | dekarl-work: | so newcomers can easily see which of the various suggestions in a thread was the helpful one |
| [13:23:33] | Merlin83b: | Thanks for posts works well for us for that one. |
| [13:23:38] | Merlin83b: | https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/mod/thanks_for_posts/ |
| [13:23:41] | dekarl-work: | I asked google, but didn't get a good answer out of it |
| [13:23:47] | stuartm: | yep, all good, I'd go looking myself but I really am swamped atm |
| [13:25:55] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: I'll take a look, thanks |
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| [14:31:21] | jya_: | what’s the command again to increase how far git will look to properly track a file that has been moved? |
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| [14:41:33] | sdrik: | -M50% ? |
| [14:58:15] | sphery: | jya_: merge.renameLimit (which defaults to same as diff.renameLimit = 100)? |
| [14:58:27] | jya_: | excellent, thanks |
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| [15:20:08] | peper03: | Off-topic, but has anyone got any good suggestions for cheap (free is even better) mail accounts? Yahoo has been fine for my purposes but now they've screwed up posting to mailing lists, it's getting a bit annoying. The only real features I need are IMAP access and server-side filtering. |
| [15:20:17] | peper03: | Not interested in GMail, btw. |
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| [15:30:55] | gigem: | jpabq: My first attempt at testing the Ceton failed. It gets stuck in the tuning state with the signal monitor apparently never receiving anything. This was with multirec on and off. Do you expect the Ceton to work at all in master? I could see on the Ceton web page that the tuner was set to the right channel and data was being sent to UDP port 1900. After the last try, I restarted my production backend |
| [15:30:56] | gigem: | and verified the same tuner could record with it. |
| [15:33:57] | stuarta: | doesn't the signalmonitor have to be educated about multirec? |
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| [15:47:21] | jpabq: | gigem: sorry, I don't know who uses the ceton. I have not noticed any reports of problems, though. |
| [15:47:57] | jpabq: | gigem: I believe that jya is currently playing with the RTSP code, which the ceton uses, so he may have an idea? |
| [15:54:31] | gigem: | jpabq: Doesn't the HDHRP work similarly with RTP too? |
| [15:55:20] | jpabq: | I think the HDHRP is a little different, but I would have to take a look to be sure. |
| [16:02:28] | jya_: | dekarl1: i think i see, looking at the rtsp server in vlc, it updates the timeout value, only when it receives PLAY, PAUSE, TEARDOWN and GET_PARAMETER |
| [16:03:22] | jya_: | gigem: i can push a branch, i’ll be interested for you to test the ceton there |
| [16:04:05] | jya_: | for the ip address of the ceton, did you use a hostname or an ip address ? |
| [16:04:38] | gary_buhrmaster: | gigem: for the HDHR, in MythTV, the codes use the SD dedicated library, which is RTP transport. The HDHRP is capable of being a RTSP device (or DLNA, or HTTP transport too), it is just not used that way from MythTV as far as I recall. |
| [16:08:36] | gigem: | jya_: I can try. The card is in my production backend, so my testing windows are very limited. I used IP address. |
| [16:08:45] | jya_: | ah weird |
| [16:08:57] | jya_: | if you use a hostname, it would likely fail |
| [16:09:08] | jya_: | as the code always assumed it was an ip |
| [16:09:10] | gigem: | gary_buhrmaster: I forgot about libhdhomerun. As for the Ceton, I thought we only used it in RTP mode now. |
| [16:10:15] | jya_: | but sometimes it works, because in the code in a few places, it assumes that if our ip address is null (which occurs when you attempt to set a hostname as an ip address), and so it works then |
| [16:27:43] | jya_: | dekarl1: ok… it plays for more than one minute now… rtcp was a red herring… i have the code in, but i’m not sure it’s worth bothering with it.. it’s not required, and seeing that my rfc-fu is a tad rusty, i doubt it will help |
| [16:28:53] | gary_buhrmaster: | gigem: re: Ceton. Yes, I seem to recall that there was a patch to always use RTSP. I have a better memory of the HDHR codes because I have one, and have spend time looking at providing some patches for the MythTV codes. I tend to remember what I spent time looking at. My contributed patch for the Ceton codes is only for Qt5 compatibility, and I ignored all the other details (tunnel vision). |
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| [16:40:37] | gigem: | gary_buhrmaster: Right. That's what I remember. Ron Frazier originally used the character device interface for the Ceton and later added RTP support. A later MythTV release dropped the character device support and then only used RTP. |
| [16:41:05] | gigem: | jya: If there's something you want me to try, I'll have a short windo in which to test this afternoon. |
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| [17:11:01] | dekarl: | jya: doh, so freebox lets RTSP timeout but uses RTCPRR and VLC ignores RTCPRR but wants RTSP keepalives? |
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| [19:27:55] | superm1: | stuartm: can you look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/7419559/ and see if you're open minded to that? |
| [19:28:15] | superm1: | stuartm: we're trying to prevent stuff popping up above mythtv, and that seems like a really reasonable way to do it |
| [19:29:11] | superm1: | eg update-manager, crash reports etc. people can look at that later on their own when they quit myth |
| [19:34:36] | stuartm: | that seems reasonable, it's the behaviour of most sane window managers anyway |
| [19:35:14] | superm1: | ok i'll submit a bug and attach it there |
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| [19:47:32] | paul-h: | Here's a big stick if I ever try to be friendly or helpful on the user mailing list just hit me with it. God they are an unfriendly bunch :( |
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| [19:48:51] | dekarl: | they don't understand the "there are mythtv forums all over the place, so there appears to be interest in them. We are trying to offer a place for that target audience on project ressources" part... |
| [19:49:03] | paul-h: | How do the emails on the forum work. Someone is saying you don't get more emails until you click a link or something |
| [19:49:49] | dekarl: | I don't understand why people who hate forums want the emails from them. They didn't subscribe to the other mythtv forums all other the place either... |
| [19:50:24] | jheizer: | Most forums you get an email alert once, unless you view that thread again you will receive no more updates. |
| [19:50:53] | jheizer: | Once you do view it, another email will come again on the next post. |
| [19:51:27] | paul-h: | jheizer: that sounds like the problem the user doesn't like |
| [19:52:02] | jheizer: | Yeah. The loudest complaints seem to what emails on everything no matter what. |
| [19:52:09] | jheizer: | *want |
| [19:53:59] | paul-h: | wonder if we can change that behaviour with a plugin or something? |
| [19:54:47] | stuartm: | we have a plugin that emails on every new post |
| [19:55:01] | stuartm: | installed |
| [19:55:07] | stuartm: | already |
| [19:55:50] | stuartm: | but it's really very simple "You don't have to use the forum if you don't want to, the mailing list is going nowhere" |
| [19:56:32] | jheizer: | Agreed. |
| [19:56:59] | stuartm: | which has been said more than once on the -users list, anyone still complaining is apparently incapable of comprehending simple statements |
| [19:59:20] | paul-h: | stuartm: so if you subscribe to a forum you should get an email for all new posts from then on? Is there something the users has to do other than subscribe to the forum of interest? |
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| [20:05:28] | stuartm: | that's correct, although it doesn't thread them correctly or send out emails for your own posts, I'm sure both could be fixed |
| [20:06:11] | stuartm: | actually, that's not entirely correct by the look of it ... hmm |
| [20:06:27] | stuartm: | "No more notifications will be sent until you visit the forum." |
| [20:06:55] | stuartm: | so it doesn't email for every new post, just the first new post since your last visit |
| [20:10:17] | stuartm: | guess we would need additional plugins ... I was confusing it with the plugin I added which shows the post content in the emails |
| [20:11:36] | stuartm: | paul-h: so to be clear, subscribing to a forum results in a new email for each new topic – 'Hello stuartm, the forum "Services API" at "MythTV Official Community" hasreceived a new topic since your last visit.' |
| [20:12:22] | stuartm: | and new emails for each new reply to a thread |
| [20:12:47] | stuartm: | since the last visit |
| [20:12:50] | stuartm: | but not every posting |
| [20:13:41] | stuartm: | in other words, it's not mailing list behaviour, but "there has been activity since your last visit, perhaps you'd like to check it out" stuff |
| [20:14:12] | stuartm: | there are rss feeds too |
| [20:15:07] | stuartm: | which do show every post, https://forum.mythtv.org/feed.php?f=9 |
| [20:18:04] | paul-h: | A quick google found this don't know if its any good :- https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/mod/board_watch/ |
| [20:21:20] | Steve-Goodey: | stuartm: You still after someone to do icon matching? |
| [20:22:02] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: approval of matches, aye |
| [20:23:13] | stuartm: | paul-h: looks like it might do what is desired |
| [20:23:32] | stuartm: | stuarta: ^^ we should get that installed on the test server, see how well it works |
| [20:24:19] | stuartm: | chances are pretty high that it will conflict with the plugin I've already installed |
| [20:24:25] | Steve-Goodey: | stuartm: Where do I sign up? And how much will it cost me? :-) |
| [20:25:02] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: xris used to set up access, I'll have to check and see what is required |
| [20:25:29] | paul-h: | stuartm: what version of phpBB are we on – that plugin might be to old? |
| [20:26:16] | Steve-Goodey: | No problem. I know you're busy. |
| [20:26:36] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: I might also try to improve the UI so it's easier to pick out the best matches from all the ones with just one or two submissions, the backlog otherwise means loading a page displaying 4000 icon images ;) |
| [20:27:17] | stuartm: | paul-h: 3.0.12, something for 3.0.11 might install OK, depends when it touches an area changed between 3.0.11 and 3.0.12 |
| [20:27:44] | stuartm: | since 3.0.12 was a security/bug fix release there's a very low probability that it won't apply cleanly |
| [20:28:44] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: this is what it looks like btw – http://mythtv.co.uk/imagebin/services_mythtv.png |
| [20:29:23] | stuartm: | for each channel, in this case a DVB channel it displays the submitted icons, the number of people who submitted that match, the name of the icon and the channel |
| [20:30:26] | stuartm: | so as you can see the first icon for the second channel is a bad submission, "Channel 31 Radio" != "Channel 4", so we can either "Deny", or just "Allow" the correct match if one exists |
| [20:31:07] | dekarl: | stuartm, could try with leaving out the transport_id... |
| [20:31:22] | Steve-Goodey: | stuartm: Looks simple enough even for me. |
| [20:31:33] | stuartm: | they do get more complicated than that :) Some channels get a dozen or more different icons submitted and it's not always clear cut which is the 'correct' match |
| [20:32:38] | Steve-Goodey: | So someone has submitted channel31 radio as channel4! |
| [20:32:51] | stuartm: | dekarl: I think we should allow filtering of the list by network – that would speed up loading and also let people manage just the networks they know e.g. Freesat |
| [20:33:36] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: yeah, some people just hold down the enter button when going through selection screens in mythtv-setup :) |
| [20:34:07] | stuartm: | they don't pick the best match, any match will apparently suit them |
| [20:34:17] | Steve-Goodey: | stuartm: Knobbers. 9018:8203:8384?? |
| [20:34:55] | stuartm: | Network 9019, Transport (multiplex) 8203, Service (channel) 8384 |
| [20:35:16] | stuartm: | it's the way DVB channels are uniquely identified |
| [20:36:01] | dekarl: | <nitpick> original network (need to fix that in our code...) |
| [20:36:39] | stuartm: | there are four different ways we map icons to channel, there's a page of matches for each – Callsign (completely useless), XMLTV/SD ID, DVB service details and ATSC service details |
| [20:38:34] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: basically each time you submit results back we associate that one icon against three different pieces of unique information, when performing lookups we only have to match one of those to return an icon |
| [20:39:45] | stuartm: | it covers all combinations of EIT vs xmltv, capture vs tuner |
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| [20:44:35] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: it's not that complicated really, all that it really requires is some common sense, if you're not sure about a submission then you can leave it for someone else or wait until more people have submitted matches to see what the majority decide |
| [20:46:23] | Steve-Goodey: | stuartm: Ok when you have time set me up. Thanks. |
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| [21:58:29] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: For (some of) the forum->email users, enabling ATOM in the phpBB control panel may be good enough. |
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| [22:01:18] | stuartm: | gary_buhrmaster: it's already enabled |
| [22:02:45] | stuartm: | but some of the detractors have argued that RSS is as bad as a forum since it requires polling ... |
| [22:17:49] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: Ah, OK. I think it was stitchnot who was asking about an RSS feed on the user-list. |
| [22:19:04] | stuartm: | I've said rss before now, but it's actually atom |
| [22:25:16] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: yes, I understand (the distinction, and what phpBB supports). Thanks! Personally, I am not a forum type of person. But, to be honest, I think I am reaching another -users list burnout period for myself. The tone has just reached new levels of something (I am not even sure what the something is, just that it has reached it). |
| [22:29:15] | paul-h: | How do you get the atom feed? |
| [22:32:01] | paul-h: | https://forum.mythtv.org/feed.php |
| [22:32:34] | gary_buhrmaster: | Feed https://forum.mythtv.org/feed.php into your atom reader (many/most rss readers do atom at this point). |
| [22:33:36] | gary_buhrmaster: | paul-h: Sorry, cross typing sometimes happens...... |
| [22:35:04] | paul-h: | np – works in MythNews as well :) |
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