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| [09:20:34] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [09:22:19] | jya: | morning |
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| [10:12:30] | sphery: | stuartm: callsign is used for scheduling to treat channels as "this channel". In the guide, matching callsign, but with different channel numbers mean that the channel is shown twice--in the 2 different locations that channel number indicates--even though both are still scheduled as "this channel". However, using the same channel number /and/ same callsign means that you would have 2 identical rows next to each other in the guide, so it's ... |
| [10:12:36] | sphery: | ... coalesced into a single row for display--because a) they'd be indistinguishable to the user and b) they're the same for MythTV. |
| [10:15:19] | wagnerrp_: | you're up awfully early |
| [10:15:23] | sphery: | stuartm: oh, and since the scheduler is smart enough to notice when 2 channels with the same call sign have different content (you should only use the same callsign if they have "substantially identical" content--meaning there could be rare differences), the guide is supposed to show both rows, even when call sign and channel number are identical--over the period where the content differs |
| [10:15:55] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, my schedule has shifted recently |
| [10:16:14] | wagnerrp_: | ditto... working the 4–4 shift |
| [10:16:49] | wagnerrp_: | well... briefly anyway |
| [10:16:53] | wagnerrp_: | fly home tomorrow |
| [10:20:09] | stuarta: | ugh 4–4 that's a nasty shift |
| [10:20:41] | wagnerrp_: | not as bad as yesterday's 1–4 shift |
| [10:20:43] | wagnerrp_: | :) |
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| [10:21:17] | wagnerrp_: | but, time for bed |
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| [10:27:02] | stuartm: | sphery: criteria used by the guide is different to the scheduler then, for display of which showings will be recorded it uses either same callsign or same chanid (at least historically) |
| [10:27:54] | stuartm: | for determining which channels get displayed, it's confusing, but it seems to require both callsign and channel number to match |
| [10:31:10] | stuartm: | the frontend guide code is a bit of a mess, and there's some legacy stuff in there that I don't think even applies any more, might just re-write it based on the webfrontend guide instead |
| [10:32:22] | stuarta: | which is very nice fyi |
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| [10:50:50] | sphery: | stuartm: A channel is only ever hidden from the guide if it is the same channel according to the scheduler (same callsign) and would appear twice together in the guide (same channel number). Basically callsign means "same channel for (this channel) scheduling purposes" and same channel number means "same channel for Live TV" (when I type the channel number, I don't care which one I tune), so they become identical if both are same. Not sure ... |
| [10:50:56] | sphery: | ... what's going on with chanid usage, but for guide/display purposes, after the scheduler determines which chanid will be used to record, I think the guide should use chanid to display which of the multiple showings is actually going to record. That last part is just a guess, though, so please let gigem weigh in. |
| [10:52:34] | sphery: | basically if the guide shows the channel info multiple times, then it should show which one is being used to record |
| [11:00:11] | stuarta: | stuartm: are you thinking all the bbc / itv regional stations? |
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| [11:35:16] | stuartm: | stuarta: regional and HD variants of channels |
| [11:35:34] | stuarta: | yeah, lots of those on dvb-s2 |
| [11:39:21] | stuartm: | this all started because I made a change a while back so that when recording program X at 12:00 we'd indicate that it was to be recorded on all channels which show X at 12 – so looking in the guide you can see that it will record that showing without having to look at all the channel variants |
| [11:42:11] | stuartm: | that change has had a couple of minor, mostly cosmetic, issues with the frontend guide (works fine with the webfrontend) which I'm now trying to fix |
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| [12:22:38] | jya: | anyone feeling like helping, having a try with the branch I’ve just pushed: devel/ringbuffer |
| [12:22:54] | jya: | changes only impact the frontend |
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| [12:41:20] | stuartm: | jya: what sort of things need testing? |
| [12:41:29] | jya: | livetv :) |
| [12:42:02] | jya: | changing between channels, rewinding between transitions , fast forwarding… |
| [12:42:03] | stuartm: | can do that, combined fe<>be only though |
| [12:42:09] | jya: | if pvr150 would be great |
| [12:42:29] | jya: | actually that’s great, ive only tested streaming |
| [12:42:36] | stuartm: | dvb only here now, Terrestrial and Satellite |
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| [12:43:13] | stuartm: | just testing something I'm about to push first, then I'll pull the branch |
| [12:43:51] | jya: | i’ve found a case where the frontend will completely hang. When transitioning from a HLS program, back to DVB it enters in a dead loop and can never exit. I think I understand why. it used to happen from time to time, but for some reason right now it happens all the time. And the worse it can put the backend in a similar state |
| [12:44:06] | jya: | that’s not related to my changes though |
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| [12:46:24] | jya: | i think the issue occurs with livetv and HLS with very low bitstream videos where you download heaps at a time (typically by 10s block). when you change channel, it actually doesn’t switch as such. it exausts the content of the file/ringbuffer (which usually happens very quickly with DVB as the backend has stopped writing to the disk). but with HLS, there can be 10s ahead. by the time the end of the buffer is reached. the tv player has stopped waitin |
| [12:46:25] | jya: | and is stuck loopiing forever… stuck |
| [12:47:21] | jya: | stuartm: you wrote earlier that you didn’t use the pvr150 anymore. Is that something you could put back into service, or it’s all digital in the UK now? |
| [12:51:05] | stuartm: | jya: all digital now, I can't easily test using the pvr150 but maybe as a last resort I can shufffle some things around for a couple of hours on a weekend |
| [12:51:27] | jya: | the pvr150 can do digital networks? |
| [12:51:37] | jya: | tbh, I have no idea what a pvr150 looks like :) |
| [12:52:35] | stuartm: | jya: no, but it has a composite/s-video input and I might still have something that can generate a signal for that |
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| [12:53:35] | stuartm: | still would be much better to find someone who still uses their PVR150 and who can therefore do more thorough testing, including the analogue tuner side |
| [12:54:43] | jya: | stichnot mentioned he could test later |
| [12:54:49] | stuartm: | PVR-150 has a single analogue tuner, plus s-video/component inputs, onboard hardware encoder to mpeg2 |
| [12:55:04] | jya: | yes, just reading the user manual |
| [12:55:18] | stuartm: | it's really pretty old |
| [12:55:58] | stuartm: | though oddly, we're only now starting to see more modern equivalents (aside from the one trick pony HD-PVR) |
| [12:56:04] | jya: | what I’ve changed in the ringbuffer is that when liveTV starts, some data is read. During the time we search for streams info (codec, bitrate etc), i fake like the ringbuffer is just a fixed size file. We can seek, read it etc.. this doesn’t touch the data it contains |
| [12:57:33] | jya: | so that makes it for very fast startup…. ffmpeg does a lot of seeking, and reading to determine the duration/bitrate from the pts. That doesn’t work well with the remotefile type… before ffmpeg was being told that seeking wasn’t enabled, so it bitrates were wrong etc.. |
| [12:58:00] | jya: | why would you need a card with a hardware encoder when the stream is already encoded? |
| [12:58:11] | jya: | in the UK they moved to h264 video stream didn’t they? |
| [12:58:33] | jya: | here still old mpeg2 type.. waste of bandwidth |
| [12:59:58] | stuartm: | jya: the PVR150 can still be used with some STBs etc which output an analogue signal (as opposed to HDMI) |
| [13:00:43] | stuartm: | since the switch to digital we've used mpeg2 for SD, when they started launching HD channels they updated they used H.264 |
| [13:01:49] | stuartm: | they are stuck using mpeg2 for SD as there is a lot of older equipment out there that can only do mpeg2, if you want HD then you have to buy a newer STB or TV which supports h.264 |
| [13:07:27] | jya: | but surely people would have to get new equipment regardless to access HD channels |
| [13:07:44] | jya: | are they still on DVB-T or they switched to DVB-T2? |
| [13:07:53] | jya: | or they broadcasting both system? |
| [13:08:58] | jya: | stuartm: will your last change have a chance to fix the problem of a recording being in the livetv group if you were watching liveTV right at the time the recording started? |
| [13:13:53] | jya: | allright, off to bed for me.. goodnight |
| [13:35:07] | stuarta: | jya: dvb-t2 / dvb-s2 for hd |
| [13:36:14] | stuartm: | jya: broadcasting both T and T2, S and S2 |
| [13:36:26] | stuartm: | jya: no |
| [13:37:31] | stuartm: | it's unrelated to that particular issue, more what is marked as recording (or not) in the guide and elsewhere |
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| [15:06:36] | gigem: | stuartm, sphery: No time right now. I'll reply this afternoon. |
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| [15:38:00] | wagnerrp_: | sphery: i'm taking ownership of the housekeeping component on trac |
| [15:42:56] | stuarta: | cool |
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| [17:21:34] | stuartm: | [64cee716 |
| [17:21:36] | stuartm: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/64cee716 |
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| [19:06:55] | stuartm: | chasing shadows with https://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/12081/ |
| [19:07:33] | stuartm: | has to be something to do with their guide data, can't reproduce here |
| [19:09:57] | stuartm: | wonder if it's a character set issue, e.g. we should be using localeAwareCompare() or something instead |
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| [20:51:58] | warpme: | jya: fyi: I just finish building test BE machine and I gave run for devel/ringbuffer. What works better: channel change is faster; seek is very good. What is broken: channel change between different mplexes approx. 1per3 times gives “can’t open decoder†and return to MainMenu. Also channel change frequently gives short X mode touch so my TV goes to 3sec blank screen+OSD pop-up with current Res/Refresh. I catch FE logs for failed channel |
| [20:51:58] | warpme: | change: http://pastebin.com/X27ch7YY |
| [20:52:43] | warpme: | s/blank/black/ |
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| [23:37:45] | jya: | warpme: thanks for that… I’ll add some logs to debug, because I can’t see here what is wrong… Maybe should increase the size of the buffer we are looking data into… and ultimately put a fallback where we revert to the old mode if we are unable to detect the content in the data we have |
| [23:38:24] | jya: | I dont understand what you mean with “channel change frequently gives short X mode touch†|
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