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[00:31:22] | jya: | kenni: uyes; it's known. and should be fixed in master |
[00:32:43] | dekarl: | so MSVC doesn't like casting from float to enum. lets see |
[00:34:33] | jya: | don't see much the point of having digital passthrough with pulseaudio, it's rather a moot point. |
[00:35:31] | jya: | if PA supports digital passthrough, then easy work around is to select the PA ALSA device, and configure it as if it was a standard alsa device. |
[00:35:59] | jya: | I'm less and less convinced on the benefit of using native PA API... it doesn't add anything other than headaches |
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[07:44:08] | kenni: | jya: Cool, thanks. Are the relevant commits from master already part of the 027candidates branch or do you plan to backport them? |
[07:50:10] | dekarl: | kenni: mind if I change the default assignment of translation tickets to knightr who seems to handle them at the moment? |
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[08:23:04] | jya__: | kenni: they are all in 027candidates |
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[09:33:38] | stuarta: | morning all |
[09:42:10] | kenni: | dekarl: That's fine with me, I'm usually able to get things commmitted within a couple of days, but I can't compete with knightr when he usually get things done within a couple of hours ;) |
[09:43:51] | kenni: | jya: Perfect...I'll see if I can convince him into compiling 027candidates from source to help testing. |
[09:44:21] | jya: | kenni: the only thing I can guarantee at this stage is when you are always streaming from the backend |
[09:44:36] | jya: | for combined frontend/backend, it may not have any effect |
[09:45:32] | kenni: | jya: ahh, ok, he's using a combined backend/frontend and seeing the issue. I'm using a dedicated backend and I've never seen the issue. |
[09:46:03] | kenni: | jya: Do you still want me/us to test it and/or provide some relevant logs in a ticket? |
[09:46:10] | jya: | kenni: it is likely going to be better. but can't guarantee it as I haven't tested it as thoroughly |
[09:46:26] | jya: | kenni: there has been ticket about this since 0.24 :) |
[09:46:34] | jya: | including from me |
[09:47:32] | jya: | i guess I'm at the point know where I can't be bothered tracking every single cause that could cause the issue |
[09:47:38] | jya: | I've resolved it 100% on my system |
[09:48:21] | jya: | and the lazy bum in me is at the point where telling people to press rewind once vs spending hundreds of hours shooting in the dark has lots of appeal |
[09:49:04] | kenni: | ok, and you're not running a combined backend/frontend? |
[09:49:55] | jya: | not anymore.. |
[09:50:07] | jya: | I have a backend only system in a rack |
[09:50:19] | jya: | and you can force a frontend to always stream from the backend |
[09:50:35] | jya: | the settings UI got removed, but it's still there |
[09:50:49] | kenni: | ok, how? I was just wondering about that |
[09:51:00] | jya: | there's been argument about reintroducing it... |
[09:51:14] | kenni: | provide an override argument to mythfrontend? |
[09:51:19] | jya: | Personally, I'm all for it, that's one less usercase to worry about |
[09:51:23] | jya: | that's right |
[09:51:33] | kenni: | do you remember the name of the setting? |
[09:51:40] | jya: | AlwaysStreamFiles |
[09:51:49] | jya: | so start with -O AlwaysStreamFiles=1 |
[09:52:01] | jya: | but , try without first, it may be much better now |
[09:52:33] | jya: | one side effect of all the changes also, is that where mythfrontend used to be in a lock state and you couldn't do anything for several minutes ; now you can |
[09:52:53] | jya: | before the frontend would try to download heaps of data at once, and lock until it got it all |
[09:53:07] | jya: | now it downloads small block, and check if there's enough to read first |
[09:53:17] | jya: | so it never blocks |
[09:53:34] | kenni: | perfect, I'll test it on his system one of the following days. First with the 027candidates branch and if that doesn't work I'll see if optimizing I/O helps. If that doesn't I'll perform the override |
[09:53:34] | jya: | it doesn't work any better, but you can interrupt it quickly rather than having to wait |
[09:54:18] | jya: | if you're having issue, I'll give you a small patch to help things out |
[09:54:32] | jya: | if it does help greatly, I'll be able to make that option a setting |
[09:55:26] | jya: | I have to add that liveTV works flawlessly here, first time ever I think |
[09:55:51] | jya: | righto... St Patrick's day... time to have some Guiness |
[09:56:57] | kenni: | yep, that's very nice, I have been following your commits with much interest, but as I've never had these stuttering or blocking issues (except the loggin issue in #10428), I've not been a good test case for the recent changes – except for regression testing. |
[09:56:57] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10428 ** | |
[09:57:26] | jya: | kenni: I've had those stuttering when too close to live for years.. |
[09:57:32] | kenni: | thanks, I'll keep you informed on how it goes. |
[09:57:36] | jya: | first thing I do is rewind... it's an habit now |
[09:58:00] | jya: | those messages in #10428 should never occur now |
[09:58:00] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10428 ** | |
[09:58:27] | jya: | all block sizes are determined so they take less than 200ms to download |
[09:59:08] | jya: | before it was I believe arbitrarily set. Some values would have taken at least 400ms to download. So that would have made the backend very verbose |
[09:59:42] | jya: | I do believe master and 027candidates will have issues with very high bitrate live TV |
[09:59:55] | jya: | because the current code doesn't determine the bitrate properly |
[10:00:18] | jya: | so if you're watching a 15Mbit/s stream, it will typically think the stream is only 700kbit/s; and as such uses very small reads |
[10:00:22] | jya: | (16kB) |
[10:00:35] | kenni: | ahh, ok, I do actually think that we saw the stuttering on a high bitrate channel on 0.27-fixes |
[10:00:43] | jya: | that may slow things down too much on slow machines |
[10:01:30] | jya: | before it was the opposite problem, it would always use high read buffer size for slow bitstream. |
[10:02:03] | jya: | so what I'm going to do next is determine the bitrate of the stream based on how often avfd queries the ringbuffer |
[10:02:12] | jya: | rather than using the bitrate calculated by ffmpeg |
[10:02:23] | jya: | that will be far more accurate |
[10:02:25] | kenni: | ok, his system was a fairly fast Intel Haswell i5 NUC with mSATA SSD |
[10:02:46] | kenni: | but of course with the storage group on a slower spindle |
[10:03:14] | jya: | hmm.. that makes me think of an issue with stuttering at the start |
[10:03:25] | jya: | it wais for having at least 0.35s of data |
[10:03:34] | jya: | but if the bitrate is very wrong |
[10:03:50] | jya: | 0.35s of 700kbit/s stream, isn't going to be much |
[10:04:05] | jya: | one more issue to solve... sigh... |
[10:04:09] | kenni: | :) |
[10:04:38] | jya: | my method of determining the bitrate from how fast we are reading isn't going to help here, as it takes a little time to calculate the bitrate |
[10:04:46] | jya: | and we need the proper bitrate before that |
[10:05:22] | jya: | allright... time for beer.. see ya |
[10:05:47] | kenni: | sounds good, thanks for your input, see ya |
[10:23:54] | stuarta: | beer++ |
[11:14:16] | dekarl: | kenni, if your friend is running *buntu I could provide a PPA of devel/027candidates |
[11:18:41] | kenni: | dekarl: That would be very nice, do you already have one running? |
[11:18:53] | kenni: | he's running latest Mythbuntu 12.04.x |
[11:19:37] | dekarl: | no, but I have setup all the PPA stuff. |
[11:20:11] | kenni: | ahh, well, if it isn't too much work I would certainly appreciate it :) |
[11:20:40] | dekarl: | reminds me that we could use a PPA with patches shepherd stepping up (I'm looking at the not-yet-devs, no coding writing required) |
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[11:26:29] | dekarl: | hmm, the script expects a packaging branch of the same name as the code branch... lets see |
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[12:02:22] | dekarl: | kenni, looks like its already building https://launchpad.net/~dekarl/+archive/mythtv-0.27-candidates |
[12:30:36] | kenni: | dekarl: looking good, thanks a lot |
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[17:56:45] | stuartm: | dekarl: "with patches shepherd stepping up" ? |
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[18:17:03] | dekarl: | stuartm: Yes, we could make some list like "You want to help but don't speak C++? Here's a list of things that are looking for someone who wants to do something" |
[18:18:31] | dekarl: | e.g. shepherd the patches on trac so they can be commited sooner rather then later, by providing PPAs of fixes + the patch and collecting test results |
[18:19:11] | dekarl: | A "shepherd" for "PPA with patches" |
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[19:06:34] | stuartm: | dekarl: danke, that makes sense now :) |
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[23:02:14] | jya: | dekarl1: kenni could probably restart my old PPA with the devel/027candidates package |
[23:02:43] | jya: | I had an idea at 3AM ... woke me up and couldn't get back to sleep on how I can solve that bitrate issue |
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