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Monday, March 17th, 2014, 00:21 UTC
[00:21:13] MythBuild: build #551 of master-win8-msvc-2010–32bit is complete: Failure [4failed Configure and Build] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/551 blamelist: Paul Harrison <pharrison@mythtv.org >, Karl Dietz <dekarl@mythtv.org >
[00:31:22] jya: kenni: uyes; it's known. and should be fixed in master
[00:32:43] dekarl: so MSVC doesn't like casting from float to enum. lets see
[00:34:33] jya: don't see much the point of having digital passthrough with pulseaudio, it's rather a moot point.
[00:35:31] jya: if PA supports digital passthrough, then easy work around is to select the PA ALSA device, and configure it as if it was a standard alsa device.
[00:35:59] jya: I'm less and less convinced on the benefit of using native PA API... it doesn't add anything other than headaches
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[07:44:08] kenni: jya: Cool, thanks. Are the relevant commits from master already part of the 027candidates branch or do you plan to backport them?
[07:50:10] dekarl: kenni: mind if I change the default assignment of translation tickets to knightr who seems to handle them at the moment?
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[08:23:04] jya__: kenni: they are all in 027candidates
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[09:33:38] stuarta: morning all
[09:42:10] kenni: dekarl: That's fine with me, I'm usually able to get things commmitted within a couple of days, but I can't compete with knightr when he usually get things done within a couple of hours ;)
[09:43:51] kenni: jya: Perfect...I'll see if I can convince him into compiling 027candidates from source to help testing.
[09:44:21] jya: kenni: the only thing I can guarantee at this stage is when you are always streaming from the backend
[09:44:36] jya: for combined frontend/backend, it may not have any effect
[09:45:32] kenni: jya: ahh, ok, he's using a combined backend/frontend and seeing the issue. I'm using a dedicated backend and I've never seen the issue.
[09:46:03] kenni: jya: Do you still want me/us to test it and/or provide some relevant logs in a ticket?
[09:46:10] jya: kenni: it is likely going to be better. but can't guarantee it as I haven't tested it as thoroughly
[09:46:26] jya: kenni: there has been ticket about this since 0.24 :)
[09:46:34] jya: including from me
[09:47:32] jya: i guess I'm at the point know where I can't be bothered tracking every single cause that could cause the issue
[09:47:38] jya: I've resolved it 100% on my system
[09:48:21] jya: and the lazy bum in me is at the point where telling people to press rewind once vs spending hundreds of hours shooting in the dark has lots of appeal
[09:49:04] kenni: ok, and you're not running a combined backend/frontend?
[09:49:55] jya: not anymore..
[09:50:07] jya: I have a backend only system in a rack
[09:50:19] jya: and you can force a frontend to always stream from the backend
[09:50:35] jya: the settings UI got removed, but it's still there
[09:50:49] kenni: ok, how? I was just wondering about that
[09:51:00] jya: there's been argument about reintroducing it...
[09:51:14] kenni: provide an override argument to mythfrontend?
[09:51:19] jya: Personally, I'm all for it, that's one less usercase to worry about
[09:51:23] jya: that's right
[09:51:33] kenni: do you remember the name of the setting?
[09:51:40] jya: AlwaysStreamFiles
[09:51:49] jya: so start with -O AlwaysStreamFiles=1
[09:52:01] jya: but , try without first, it may be much better now
[09:52:33] jya: one side effect of all the changes also, is that where mythfrontend used to be in a lock state and you couldn't do anything for several minutes ; now you can
[09:52:53] jya: before the frontend would try to download heaps of data at once, and lock until it got it all
[09:53:07] jya: now it downloads small block, and check if there's enough to read first
[09:53:17] jya: so it never blocks
[09:53:34] kenni: perfect, I'll test it on his system one of the following days. First with the 027candidates branch and if that doesn't work I'll see if optimizing I/O helps. If that doesn't I'll perform the override
[09:53:34] jya: it doesn't work any better, but you can interrupt it quickly rather than having to wait
[09:54:18] jya: if you're having issue, I'll give you a small patch to help things out
[09:54:32] jya: if it does help greatly, I'll be able to make that option a setting
[09:55:26] jya: I have to add that liveTV works flawlessly here, first time ever I think
[09:55:51] jya: righto... St Patrick's day... time to have some Guiness
[09:56:57] kenni: yep, that's very nice, I have been following your commits with much interest, but as I've never had these stuttering or blocking issues (except the loggin issue in #10428), I've not been a good test case for the recent changes – except for regression testing.
[09:56:57] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10428 **
[09:57:26] jya: kenni: I've had those stuttering when too close to live for years..
[09:57:32] kenni: thanks, I'll keep you informed on how it goes.
[09:57:36] jya: first thing I do is rewind... it's an habit now
[09:58:00] jya: those messages in #10428 should never occur now
[09:58:00] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10428 **
[09:58:27] jya: all block sizes are determined so they take less than 200ms to download
[09:59:08] jya: before it was I believe arbitrarily set. Some values would have taken at least 400ms to download. So that would have made the backend very verbose
[09:59:42] jya: I do believe master and 027candidates will have issues with very high bitrate live TV
[09:59:55] jya: because the current code doesn't determine the bitrate properly
[10:00:18] jya: so if you're watching a 15Mbit/s stream, it will typically think the stream is only 700kbit/s; and as such uses very small reads
[10:00:22] jya: (16kB)
[10:00:35] kenni: ahh, ok, I do actually think that we saw the stuttering on a high bitrate channel on 0.27-fixes
[10:00:43] jya: that may slow things down too much on slow machines
[10:01:30] jya: before it was the opposite problem, it would always use high read buffer size for slow bitstream.
[10:02:03] jya: so what I'm going to do next is determine the bitrate of the stream based on how often avfd queries the ringbuffer
[10:02:12] jya: rather than using the bitrate calculated by ffmpeg
[10:02:23] jya: that will be far more accurate
[10:02:25] kenni: ok, his system was a fairly fast Intel Haswell i5 NUC with mSATA SSD
[10:02:46] kenni: but of course with the storage group on a slower spindle
[10:03:14] jya: hmm.. that makes me think of an issue with stuttering at the start
[10:03:25] jya: it wais for having at least 0.35s of data
[10:03:34] jya: but if the bitrate is very wrong
[10:03:50] jya: 0.35s of 700kbit/s stream, isn't going to be much
[10:04:05] jya: one more issue to solve... sigh...
[10:04:09] kenni: :)
[10:04:38] jya: my method of determining the bitrate from how fast we are reading isn't going to help here, as it takes a little time to calculate the bitrate
[10:04:46] jya: and we need the proper bitrate before that
[10:05:22] jya: allright... time for beer.. see ya
[10:05:47] kenni: sounds good, thanks for your input, see ya
[10:23:54] stuarta: beer++
[11:14:16] dekarl: kenni, if your friend is running *buntu I could provide a PPA of devel/027candidates
[11:18:41] kenni: dekarl: That would be very nice, do you already have one running?
[11:18:53] kenni: he's running latest Mythbuntu 12.04.x
[11:19:37] dekarl: no, but I have setup all the PPA stuff.
[11:20:11] kenni: ahh, well, if it isn't too much work I would certainly appreciate it :)
[11:20:40] dekarl: reminds me that we could use a PPA with patches shepherd stepping up (I'm looking at the not-yet-devs, no coding writing required)
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[11:26:29] dekarl: hmm, the script expects a packaging branch of the same name as the code branch... lets see
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[12:02:22] dekarl: kenni, looks like its already building https://launchpad.net/~dekarl/+archive/mythtv-0.27-candidates
[12:30:36] kenni: dekarl: looking good, thanks a lot
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[17:56:45] stuartm: dekarl: "with patches shepherd stepping up" ?
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[18:17:03] dekarl: stuartm: Yes, we could make some list like "You want to help but don't speak C++? Here's a list of things that are looking for someone who wants to do something"
[18:18:31] dekarl: e.g. shepherd the patches on trac so they can be commited sooner rather then later, by providing PPAs of fixes + the patch and collecting test results
[18:19:11] dekarl: A "shepherd" for "PPA with patches"
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[19:06:34] stuartm: dekarl: danke, that makes sense now :)
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[23:02:14] jya: dekarl1: kenni could probably restart my old PPA with the devel/027candidates package
[23:02:43] jya: I had an idea at 3AM ... woke me up and couldn't get back to sleep on how I can solve that bitrate issue
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