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| [01:34:53] | gigem: | jya: I just finished some testing on both SD and HD. Transitions between program were noticeable, but not too bad. Fast forward and rewind across transitions had problems, however. I got kicked back to normal playback at each transition. IOW, I could only ff/rew within a single program. For ff, playback would pick up at the beginning of the next program anf for rew, playback would pick up at the |
| [01:34:55] | gigem: | beginning of the current program. Also, when nearing the end of one 'complete' program, the transition to the next program seemed to occur a few seconds early sometimes. I couldn't reproduce that problem when I tried, though. |
| [01:35:23] | jya: | gigem: which version of myth are you running? |
| [01:37:44] | jya: | the issue of the transition being a little early sometimes, is due to a problem I mentioned in the developer mailing list. The bitrate is *very* inacurate for liveTV, and so I had to find a balance on when to detect when we're close to the end, and when not to miss it... |
| [01:38:49] | jya: | gigem: I can't believe you would see what you are seeing in current master or devel/027candidates... The symptoms you are describing was what I got before my changes, when rewinding/forwarding just didn't work between liveTV program |
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| [01:51:00] | gigem: | jya: Sorry about dropping off. I have my IRC client on my production backend and had to do some emergency debugging and eventually a reboot after I noticed I wasn't getting any recordings this evening. |
| [01:51:17] | jya: | did you get my earlier messages? |
| [01:51:51] | gigem: | jya: This is with master from 45 minutes ago with your patch. I'll do a make distclean (really git clean -fxd) and retest later. |
| [01:51:57] | gigem: | Yes, I got it. |
| [01:52:23] | jya: | is this on a combined frontend/backend ? or you are streaming from the backend? |
| [01:53:14] | gigem: | On my dev box which I primarily use as a combined fe/be. I can run a remote fe against it if you want. |
| [01:54:04] | jya: | yes... currently mostly focusing on streaming as that's where all the issues were. it's also easier to sync the backend/frontend that way in regards to read vs write |
| [01:55:45] | jya: | I don't understand how you could ever be kicked back to the current recording when rewinding. This used to happen if the backend had expired the recordings (it expired them very quickly when < 2 minutes. Every 2 minutes, any recordings from live TV < 2 minutes were deleted... |
| [01:56:01] | jya: | but I've disabled that yesterday |
| [01:56:53] | jya: | sorry, < 2 minutes long every minute |
| [01:57:18] | jya: | what does git describe gives you? |
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| [02:03:15] | gigem: | jya: By 'current recording' I meant the one that was currently being played, not the (possibly later) one currently being recorded. |
| [02:03:15] | gigem: | Okay, i have a fresh rebuild. What do you want me to test? Local or remote playback? |
| [02:03:28] | jya: | both :) |
| [02:04:56] | gigem: | Will do. Will be afk for a while. |
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| [03:12:43] | gigem: | FYI, to whomever is familiar with the guts of remotefile streaming of live TC. I used to run a part time, slave backend on my dev system. To avoid conflicts, I run my development, master backend with non-standard ports 16543 and 16544. That has worked fine for years, at least I thought. While doing testing for jya tonight, live TV wouldn't work because the frontend kept requesting files from the backend |
| [03:12:45] | gigem: | on port 6543 instead of 16543. I had to reconfigure my backend to use the standard ports in order to get it working. |
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| [03:17:24] | gigem: | jya: I got the same results with a clean compile on both local and remote frontends, though, I do have one thing to clarify. FF/Rew still exits back to normal playback when it reaches the end/beginning of the 'program' currently being watched. For FF, playback resumes at the beginning of the next program in the chain. For Rew, playback resumes at the beginning of the previous program in the chain. For |
| [03:17:25] | gigem: | example, if I am halfway into the 5th program and start a rewind, rewind will stop and playback resumes at the beginning of the 4th program. I don't believe I noticed nor relayed that clearly before. Anyway, that's all the testing I can do tonight. Let me know if you want me to try again tomorrow night. |
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| [09:28:16] | warpme: | jya: small update regarding latest (Sunday) LiveTV changes: they are improvement for me in some areas and regression in other areas. Improvements is in LiveTV history walking (commit 5d82ba64a6). Unfortunatelly commits cad3f0a08b,c64141b0c0 and 2980b3d29d are regression for me. With them 2 annoying issues are back: 2–3se stutering after channel change and 10–15sec freezes at program transitions. Removing thise 3 commits and keeping all othe |
| [09:28:30] | warpme: | s/re/resolved/ |
| [09:29:30] | jya: | all of them cause issues ? can't see how cad3f0a08b could for example.. it's only used in mythutils |
| [09:30:19] | warpme: | 4 issues I mean: 1\sometimes 15sec freeze at program transitions; 2\stutering at channel change; 3\issue with LiveTV history; 4\issue with revinding with small steep. |
| [09:31:04] | jya: | i have updates for all of those... that should help... core issue I'm still having is that when using liveTV, the bitrate are wrong, which causes to use very small read block size... |
| [09:33:28] | warpme: | oh – I hadnt time to do bisecting one-by-one (I have to separately compile packages for BE and cross-compile for FE. All because I do test on production system – so only in maintenace window). |
| [09:35:43] | jya: | damn... |
| [09:35:56] | jya: | i'm fairly certain the block size issue will be a problem |
| [09:36:18] | jya: | as for calculating the size, I'm now going to cache it for a little while so that speeds things up |
| [09:38:10] | jya: | I'm also going to calculate the bitrate from how fast FFmpeg is reading the source, rather than rely on what it finds, as with liveTV they are completely wrong |
| [09:40:29] | warpme: | But I remember I started tests with removing only 2980b3d29d and this NOT helps. So next I also remove c64141b0c0 and cad3f0a08b and this seems to help. I do thest with only 5–10 transitions + 3 zap cycles for +40 HD channels. There is non-zero probability that regressin is by other commit but I think it is low as remobing those 3 commits seems predictably remove stutering on given channels |
| [09:42:37] | warpme: | but without those 3 commits LiveTV is almost EXCELLENT for me. Only wish is channel change speedup :-P |
| [09:45:54] | warpme: | jya: I have 4xPVR250. I You hadn't any tester for analog LiveTV I can consider to buy flower for my Wife and let she allows to put in our basement another box (dev backend with analog tuners) |
| [09:46:05] | warpme: | s/I/if/ |
| [09:46:26] | jya: | the more tests the better |
| [09:47:06] | jya: | warpme: yeah, it's unlikely other changes did that as there's been few changes in the past few days |
| [09:47:13] | jya: | though today there are a few significant ones |
| [09:48:05] | warpme: | ok then. But it can take some days to setup (and I hope my cable provider still offers some analog FTA on cable) :-> |
| [09:51:19] | jya: | no worried, we can concentrate on getting your livetv to work again |
| [09:54:04] | jya: | i'm actually wondering if my changes to check the size are actually speeding things up. as they now depend on a lock. |
| [09:54:07] | jya: | will see |
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| [09:56:39] | warpme: | jya: isn't make some sence to increase 5min to say 35min in 9883b4345b ?. If I understand correctly – currntly LiveTV history longer than 5min isn't guaranteed. I can imagine scenarios where user want to jump back deeper that 5min. I would increase this even to 65min or 95min. |
| [09:57:25] | jya: | only program that are less than 30s will be marked for deletion |
| [09:57:51] | warpme: | hmm. what about older that 5min? |
| [09:58:28] | jya: | if they are more than 30s they are left alone for the standard duration of live tv auto-deletion (24 hours) |
| [09:58:58] | jya: | only file that are older than 5 minutes and < 30s are deleted |
| [09:59:21] | warpme: | ah ok. my bad. sure. |
| [10:01:43] | warpme: | regarding speedup – indeed with all Sunday commits I see nice speedup. Channel change on the same mplex went down from 3–4sec to 2–3sec. For diferent mplexes is also shorter – but 1 sec on total 5–7sec is little less visible :-) |
| [10:02:35] | jya: | all right, I've pushed my changes... let me know |
| [10:06:21] | jya: | in the mean time, if you could revert the three changes one at a time and tell me which one introduce the regression |
| [10:06:23] | warpme: | jya: regarding autoexpire: so we still have quarantee for not longer than 5min full LiveTV chain as for loger period of time there is probability that some short zapping shows will be missed. How in such case walking on history LiveTV behaves? Isn't it ending on first missing program in chain? |
| [10:06:54] | jya: | warpme: when a program is expired , the livetv chain is recalculated |
| [10:07:16] | jya: | before that change program less than 2 minutes were expired every minute |
| [10:07:33] | jya: | so it was far worse than i changed it to |
| [10:07:40] | warpme: | jya: sure. I can try do this on evening (next 10h). |
| [10:08:38] | warpme: | ah ok. So it is more advanced than I was thinking!. nice :-) |
| [10:11:26] | jya: | i am running a modified version that create a new recording every 1 minute; so after watching the current program, I couldn't rewind after just a minute.. had to make my test quickly |
| [10:21:17] | jya: | warpme: what are you using? DVB-T adapter? |
| [10:38:39] | jya: | the first one I would try to revert is this one: 2980b3d29d16833bb70cfbe71b3c82f6eec7f803 |
| [10:39:07] | jya: | it's the only one that could add some extra delay that wasn't there before |
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| [15:10:57] | warpme: | jya: interesting: 2980b3 was my first candidate yesterday. I was surpticed removing it it doesn't help (atleast without it issue was seen in first try). Next I try remove 3 |
| [15:10:57] | warpme: | commits and 3 zapping cycles + 5 transitions observed – no issue noticed. Now I'm remotelly building in advance 3 sets of fe/be – each with single commit removed. Let see |
| [15:11:00] | warpme: | how it will go. |
| [15:11:37] | warpme: | jya: regarding my tuners: I'm on 4xDVB-S/S2. I also have DVB-T – but all tests are on DVB-S2 |
| [15:15:37] | warpme: | damn: after 2 days of investigating why some of my ssh/ssl sessins are randomly breaking it turns that restart of cisco cable modem solves issue. Few months ago UPC changed fw to new one with blocked asp api to hiden bridge mode. No I see side effect: much worse stability :-( |
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| [20:32:40] | warpme_: | evening all: one of my users reports following audio problem: "From the FE settings menu, I can select the sound device (ALSA:hdmi:CARD=INTEL,DEV=0). On this menu, I can test the sound and it does play "white noise" from the speakers in stereo. It is the only device that produces sound. No sound from any recordings, though." |
| [20:33:55] | warpme_: | first thing which comes to mind is audio format. user tests 2.0 but recordings have 5.1. But myth should downconvert, right? |
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| [21:11:08] | MartinT: | warpme_: isn't there an advanced setting to enable the down convert? |
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| [22:32:17] | jya_: | warpme: yes, if the system is set a 2.0; and you are attempting to play 5.1 ; it will downmix the lot... Make sure AC3 and DTS passthrough are unchecked though. I can't recall specifically, but it is still possible to have those checked even if stereo is selected. in which case it will passthrough 5.1 AC3/DTS untouched |
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| [22:50:44] | dekarl: | warpme, are you still running with #9726 applied? |
| [22:50:44] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9726 ** | |
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| [23:24:20] | runelind: | for some reason my mythbackend is not running mythfilldatabase automatically. |
| [23:24:34] | runelind: | running 0.27 on FreeBSD 10 |
| [23:25:37] | runelind: | where are the settings for this? |
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