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| [04:04:55] | wagnerrp: | stuartm/stuarta: i just deleted a post (and thread) from the forum due to illegal content and warned the user |
| [04:05:10] | wagnerrp: | on the wiki, nothing is ever actually deleted. moderators can always access old revisions |
| [04:05:15] | wagnerrp: | is that not the case on phpbb? |
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| [04:06:08] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: you might know the answer to that... ^^^ |
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| [06:14:00] | gary_buhrmaster: | wagnerrp: phpbb needs a mod to be installed to provide for "soft deletes". Two that I recall are called (something like) 'soft delete' and 'prime trash bin' (but it has been forever in Internet years since I last looked at the options, so things may have changed). |
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| [07:37:01] | jya_: | is the MythSocket code used to talk to the backend thread-safe? e.g. can I use the same instance to read and write at the same time ; or send two simultaneous command to the backend ? |
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| [08:12:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | jya, yes, it should be, we serialize with a lock/unlock inside MythSocket::SendReceiveStringList() to prevent multiple command/replies from getting mixed up. |
| [08:12:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | all threads use the same connection normally, so if it wasn't we'd be in big trouble. |
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| [08:33:02] | jya: | Captain_Murdoch: that's great to know.. |
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| [08:33:39] | jya: | I ask because I'm adding commands to RemoteFile class; and there's lock everywhere. So with one instance you can't do a call to Read and a call to Write at the same time |
| [08:33:50] | jya: | it will lock until the Read is finished |
| [08:34:23] | jya: | I added the same locking mechanism to the new command, just in case |
| [08:35:20] | jya: | Very impressed with the new Macbook Pro retina we just received today. Its 2.6GHz scores between 15 and 28% faster than the i7–2600 (3.4GHz) in my imac |
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| [09:17:40] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: ack |
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| [09:44:48] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: there's no versioning on the forum, once something is deleted it's gone forever |
| [09:47:56] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: out of curiosity, what was the illegal content? |
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| [12:09:14] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=83 |
| [12:21:18] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: it was mysticpete's howto on setting up auto-pirating applications on freenas |
| [12:22:00] | stuartm: | ahh, yeah, that's definitely verboten |
| [12:33:22] | esperegu: | those are the best howto's |
| [12:34:20] | esperegu: | so unfair of people to play god saying something is verboten when its clearly not for everyone... |
| [12:38:59] | wagnerrp: | illegal piracy is not for everyone? |
| [12:41:10] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: correct. |
| [12:41:19] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: legal |
| [12:41:44] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: so actually it needs to be called legal piracy in that case |
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| [12:47:31] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
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| [13:08:48] | stuartm: | no such thing |
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| [13:09:57] | stuarta: | i'm glad he left, he would have been kicked shortly |
| [13:10:40] | wagnerrp: | well you could potentially call privateering legal piracy |
| [13:11:21] | wagnerrp: | government sanctioned piracy, anyway |
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| [13:32:36] | stuartm: | even if by some technicality piracy were legal in some countries, there's still the moral/ethical objection ... I don't get those who try to defend it, if you're going to download pirated stuff then that's your business, but don't try and explain your actions as legal, that's just your personal guilt talking |
| [13:34:13] | stuartm: | and yes, the effects and costs of piracy are constantly overstated, but still not moral, still not legal |
| [13:35:56] | stuartm: | and still not allowed discussion in a MythTV forum (any of them) |
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| [14:06:28] | tonsofpcs: | I missed the argument... |
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| [14:13:56] | dekarl: | As the forum is hosted in Germany, does that mean we follow german law on the forum? (in contrast to US law on the US hosted mailing list) |
| [14:14:28] | dekarl: | e.g. there is no fair use in german law... |
| [14:17:36] | stuarta: | no idea |
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| [14:33:03] | stuartm: | fair use only applies when you already own a copy to begin with |
| [14:45:31] | dekarl: | stuartm: fair use was just the first thing that I could come up with where US law is more permissive then european law. |
| [15:01:47] | esperegu: | well. in holland currently the case is even in the EU court concerning the right to copy |
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| [16:27:21] | stuartm: | right to copy what you _own_, not to copy what you do not |
| [16:28:13] | stuartm: | and by 'own' it means, the license to view, you do not own the copyright or the right to distribute |
| [16:29:30] | gigem: | ~/quit |
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| [16:30:32] | stuarta: | anyone read swedish? i dunno if #12087 is valid or spam? |
| [16:30:32] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12087 ** | |
| [16:30:43] | natanojl: | stuarta: Yes :) |
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| [16:31:13] | natanojl: | It's very much invalid, and badly translated as well |
| [16:32:20] | esperegu: | thats not what it is about here. downloading is legal. |
| [16:32:53] | stuarta: | esperegu: that depends *entirely* on *what* you are downloading |
| [16:33:17] | stuarta: | trailers for new films, i'm sure they want you to download and watch them |
| [16:33:39] | esperegu: | stuarta: sure. no software. but movies and music is ok. |
| [16:33:50] | stuarta: | no they are not |
| [16:34:21] | esperegu: | stuarta: here u go. u god? |
| [16:34:35] | Mode for #mythtv by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o stuarta | |
| [16:34:39] | esperegu: | stuarta: if not then according to the law it is ok |
| [16:34:40] | esperegu has been kicked from #mythtv by stuarta!~stuarta@mythtv/developer/stuarta (yes i am) | |
| [16:34:47] | stuarta: | hahaha |
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| [16:35:27] | esperegu: | lol. that just proved u a god in the channel.. not in real life |
| [16:35:39] | stuarta: | seriously we do not support or condone downloading of movies or music at all |
| [16:36:20] | esperegu: | stuarta: it legal. those lawsuits are not there without a reason |
| [16:37:06] | esperegu: | stuarta: Overigens hebben makers van hardware de Nederlandse staat juist aangeklaagd omdat ze van de thuiskopieheffing af willen. Als neveneffect van die rechtszaak zou er in Nederland een downloadverbod kunnen worden ingevoerd: de vraag is namelijk of de thuiskopieheffing wel een redelijke vergoeding is voor het toestaan van downloads uit illegale bron. |
| [16:37:13] | stuarta: | it can be, if you use their approved software |
| [16:37:24] | stuarta: | things like iplayer etc |
| [16:37:27] | esperegu: | stuarta: no. here we allowed to download |
| [16:38:12] | natanojl: | stuarta: That ticket actually seems valid. It must have been an email only spam |
| [16:38:51] | esperegu: | stuarta: we pay a tax on every carrier we buy: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/94728/hoge-raad-th . . . -worden.html |
| [16:39:15] | esperegu: | out of that they compensate the copywrite owners |
| [16:39:27] | stuarta: | natanojl: okay, that's weird. unless somebody deleted the original |
| [16:40:11] | stuarta: | esperegu: i don't speak dutch so i cannot read what you are linking |
| [16:40:44] | esperegu: | scroll down and u will see the amounts we pay to compensate the owners |
| [16:42:19] | esperegu: | http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie= . . . -worden.html |
| [16:45:10] | stuarta: | esperegu: at the end of the day, the project as a whole will not tolerate the downloading of movies etc, even if it is legal in your country, because in most others, it is not |
| [16:45:47] | stuarta: | and until the rest of the world becomes enlightened, it will stay that way |
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| [17:08:21] | esperegu: | if the project does not tolerate that it is better of quiting. not promoting it or excepting promotion is something different. ;-) |
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| [17:29:54] | wagnerrp_: | stuarta, natanojl: re #12087, i had deleted it several hours ago |
| [17:29:54] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12087 ** | |
| [17:30:52] | natanojl: | wagnerrp: ok |
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| [22:25:30] | stuartm: | so now mythfrontend with the opengl painter is producing nothing but a black screen, just what I didn't need to be fixing this weekend |
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| [22:47:43] | stuartm: | only affects the gl2 painter, that narrows it down ... |
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