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| [05:07:20] | jya: | anyone knows of an easy way to generate dumb xmltv that would simulate a new program say every 2 minutes |
| [05:07:27] | jya: | so i can test program transition in livetv |
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| [06:13:41] | jya: | any reason why we need taglib 0.27 in master? |
| [06:13:51] | jya: | pain to compile on a mac that one |
| [06:17:40] | jya: | commit log states: Version 1.8 or later is recommended but Myth will compile using 1.7 but with reduced functionality. latest seems to be 1.7.3 |
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| [06:57:36] | jya: | stuartm: just put master on my dev box... web interface looks awesome... |
| [06:57:52] | jya: | looking at the edit recording rule page; how do you cancel a page ? |
| [06:58:07] | jya: | I see how to save.. but ESC or clicking elsewhere does nothing |
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| [07:37:26] | jya: | In the guide; the drop down list gives you 13 days before and 13 days after. shouldn't we stop at where the guide data stop ? |
| [07:38:39] | jya: | it would be great to still be able to click on a show passed. So you could still set a recurring rule to get the next show. Otherwise you have to find the next broadcast and set the rule there |
| [07:39:45] | jya: | whats 'the username/password for accessing the settings? |
| [07:40:15] | jya: | how are we going to get around stuff required by mythtv-setup : that the backend is off so you can scan for channels |
| [07:40:27] | jya: | edit cards etc... otherwise they are in use |
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| [08:32:18] | stuartm: | jya: I'll add a revert changes/cancel |
| [08:33:08] | jya: | happy not to have a revert/cancel ; which seems to be the way with most UI these days... just the ability to close the current window |
| [08:33:38] | stuartm: | so more of a 'back to previous page'? |
| [08:34:25] | stuartm: | jya: I'd planned that it would stop where the guide data ends, just did +/- 13 initially as the former requires some slight modifications to the services API |
| [08:34:48] | stuartm: | username/password is admin/mythtv |
| [08:35:18] | stuartm: | as far as the setup stuff, stuarta was working on solving the issues around that |
| [08:36:54] | stuartm: | jya: latest taglib is 1.9.1 – http://taglib.github.io/ |
| [08:37:03] | stuartm: | there's no 1.7.3 |
| [08:37:35] | jya: | stuartm: yes, I did find it in the end |
| [08:38:40] | stuartm: | and it's not by design that you can't bring up the menu for old programmes, that's a bug caused by the dark overlay signifying a point in a the past receiving the clicks instead of what's behind it |
| [08:39:00] | stuartm: | thanks for the reminder on that though, need to come up with a fix |
| [08:39:27] | jya: | hmm... weird, had three recordings starting at 7:30PM, at 7:30 (or about) I stopped the backend to restart it with more logging... none of the recordings started. Upon looking, they all looked as already recorded. and indeed about 35MB for each were recorded, less than a minute |
| [08:41:55] | jya: | LOL, I'm watching a commercial ad channel , it's convenient as a show doesn't last long and I can test transition in liveTV |
| [08:42:07] | jya: | they show a 1200A battery emergency startup kit. |
| [08:42:24] | stuartm: | jya: are they repeated later? default behaviour is to only restart the recording if they can't be rescheduled – therefore ensuring you have the complete unbroken broadcast instead of two bits with a missing middle section |
| [08:42:25] | jya: | it's awesome, it charges on ..... 12V cigarette lighter plug |
| [08:42:34] | jya: | am I the only one seeing the irony ? |
| [08:42:48] | jya: | stuartm: fair point... I don't know |
| [08:42:49] | stuartm: | jya: that is brilliant! |
| [08:45:28] | jya: | stuartm: in myth web , when I clicked on the program it tells me: "show was recorded". would it have re-recorded it later despite showing that? |
| [08:46:28] | stuartm: | jya: yes, I can be pretty sure of that since I had exactly the same thing happen last night – also with three recordings coincidently |
| [08:46:28] | stuarta: | morning |
| [08:46:40] | stuarta: | stuartm: btw. i had a suggestion for the backend webserver |
| [08:46:41] | jya: | morning! |
| [08:47:07] | stuarta: | the menu which pops out from the left hand side pushes everything over, and then when it hides, it everything slides back across |
| [08:47:10] | stuartm: | jya: it should actually say 'Failed' IMHO, but atm it says recorded instead :/ |
| [08:47:24] | stuarta: | this makes hitting a button quite challenging. is it possible for the menu to be an overlay? |
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| [08:47:31] | stuartm: | stuarta: yeah we can do that |
| [08:47:35] | stuarta: | cool |
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| [08:49:11] | stuartm: | auto-hiding the menu was to make the best use of space for small screen devices – but I'm going to add a config option to disable that for those who either don't like the behaviour or have plenty of screen space |
| [08:49:31] | jya: | i think the sliding in/out looks cool, but will probably become annoying over time |
| [08:49:53] | stuartm: | but I agree that it displaying the content can make clicking on something tricky in that moment of transition |
| [08:50:18] | stuartm: | s/displaying/displacing/ |
| [08:50:22] | stuarta: | i'll give you an example. try to hit play on a video when you have the menu open |
| [08:50:36] | stuarta: | you'll chase the play button across the screen until the menu is gone |
| [08:51:04] | stuarta: | i like the pop out menu, i'd just prefer it to go *over* what is there, rather than push it to the right |
| [08:51:10] | stuartm: | stuarta: that's the one that was bothering me for the last few days since I've been testing the play/watch stuff a lot |
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| [08:51:31] | jya: | stuartm: are you using a particular framework for creating all that html or you're doing everything by hand? |
| [08:51:33] | stuartm: | yeah, I'll make it an overlay |
| [08:52:46] | stuartm: | jya: by hand, it's not nearly as much as it might seem, each page is comparatively simple, and almost entirely <div> based, so the actually layout is css driven |
| [08:54:10] | ** jya waiting for someone to ask to be able users to theme it all ** | |
| [08:54:17] | stuartm: | the css in this instance becomes our framework of sorts, one place defines common styling/layout |
| [08:55:28] | stuartm: | jya: we will support css theming and maybe eventually complete theming |
| [08:56:21] | stuartm: | since it's div based, and not table based, you can achieve a lot just by changing the css |
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| [08:59:37] | stuartm: | thanks for the feedback guys |
| [09:00:44] | stuarta: | no worries. we are pulling mythtv kicking and screaming into the 21st century :) |
| [09:00:52] | ** stuarta fetches a cuppa ** | |
| [09:03:47] | jya: | grrrr... finally got a program transition; it didn't even pause for more than a 1/10th of a second... how am I supposed to debug when it works |
| [09:04:28] | jya: | stuartm: I have only one recording on that box |
| [09:04:57] | jya: | when I open the web page; it shows last ten recording, and there's it's a black screen |
| [09:05:36] | jya: | hovering the mouse on the left of the black rectangle, the mouse cursor changes, probably because that's normally you have the FF, RW button |
| [09:06:15] | jya: | actually, clicking over that black area, and I can see 2/10, 3/10 |
| [09:06:25] | jya: | not always it makes it change.. still all black |
| [09:08:46] | jya: | I don't think playing a recording should be treated any differently to liveTV when the recording is on-going... right now, if you fast forward right to the end so it becomes aligned to live; it's very likely it will exit early as it hits EOF |
| [09:13:04] | stuartm: | jya: yeah, need to do something with that bit, it's a jQuery plugin called galleria added by Robert M I believe, it's buggy and not just as you describe – keep meaning to install a newer version to see if they ironed out the issues |
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| [09:15:51] | jya: | ah ah; the bit about the ring buffer ignoring the EOF only occurs if it's the frontend directly reading the file. but that would never have happened over the myth protocol . the backend doesn't know the file being read is for liveTV, and as such exit early |
| [09:16:09] | jya: | any pause in the writer for just .4s will be enough for liveTV to exit |
| [09:17:09] | jya: | that's why over myth:// I often see playback failing, while if I mount the recording drive over NFS it plays smoothly. |
| [09:19:37] | jya: | how could the backend knows the myth:// file the frontend wants to play is actually live or should ignore EOF ? |
| [09:19:48] | jya: | any suggestions ? |
| [09:21:07] | jya: | or is there a method to know if a particular file is being written to on the side? |
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| [09:23:06] | jya: | sphery: wagnerrp is this an information that would be in the database? |
| [09:24:15] | wagnerrp: | aside from getting messages that the filesize is increasing, i'm not aware of any marker that indicates a file is being written to |
| [09:26:06] | Merlin83b: | There's the most recent write time? |
| [09:26:31] | jya: | issue is avoiding the reader to think that a EOF has been encountered. the reader checks ever 360ms; if there's a pause in the writer for more than this time, the reader will stop as it thinks it's over |
| [09:27:15] | jya: | Merlin83b: ah yes good idea.. could do a stat on the file and check how long ago it was written to, and if less than say a minute; retry |
| [09:27:55] | Merlin83b: | More complicatedly, inotify can inform when a file is opened and closed. |
| [09:28:08] | jya: | problem is inotify is linux only |
| [09:28:17] | Merlin83b: | Good point. |
| [09:28:30] | stuarta: | we should have the status of this set somewhere |
| [09:28:34] | Merlin83b: | I always forget myth is cross platform, even though I occasionally use an os x frontend! |
| [09:28:43] | stuarta: | we know it's live tv when we start it |
| [09:28:48] | jya: | i faced that exact issue a few days ago as I had a soluton using inotify only to realise it didn't work on BSD |
| [09:29:24] | jya: | stuarta: the recorder does... not the service serving data for myth:// access |
| [09:29:28] | ** wagnerrp goes afk for a few days ** | |
| [09:29:44] | stuarta: | jya: can we educate the service? |
| [09:30:54] | jya: | that won't make for an easy back port... |
| [09:31:26] | jya: | hmmm... checking the last modification time is going to be a problem over NFS often mounted with noatime (which I do) |
| [09:31:57] | stuarta: | noatime shouldn't cause an issue as thats *access* time |
| [09:32:08] | jya: | yes? |
| [09:32:15] | jya: | can always try I guess :) |
| [09:32:43] | stuarta: | a file being modified (extended) would still have it's metadata updated as it's a modification, not and access |
| [09:33:14] | stuarta: | *an |
| [09:33:29] | jya: | would be easiest if the frontend the backend what to do when encountering EOF |
| [09:35:20] | jya: | which part of the code handle the myth:// queries and serve them? |
| [09:35:51] | stuarta: | i have no idea. that's a whole area i've not even explored |
| [09:37:01] | jya: | what's the port number for myth:// queries? |
| [09:37:17] | jya: | 6543 |
| [09:39:44] | jya: | would that be libmythprotoserver/requesthandler/fileserverhandler.cpp ? |
| [09:40:59] | jya: | wagnerrp: you seem to be the one who did most of the last mods to that file, could you confirm? |
| [09:44:39] | stuartm: | [20/02/2014 09:29:28] * wagnerrp goes afk for a few days |
| [09:44:52] | jya: | that's what afk means ? :) |
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| [09:48:35] | stuartm: | Away From Keyboard |
| [09:53:17] | stuartm: | jya: I believe it's actually RemoteFile |
| [09:53:42] | jya: | RemoteFile is the class to access content of myth:// |
| [09:53:49] | jya: | that's not the server |
| [09:53:53] | stuarta: | next somebody will bring up the old "the myth protocol is bloated" lets replace it with x |
| [09:54:12] | stuartm: | jya: ah, misunderstood the question |
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| [09:54:57] | jya: | stuartm: just wanted to see how difficult it would be to simply extend the myth protocol to query the last modification... but that actually already exists |
| [09:55:09] | stuartm: | myth protocol is actually leaner than json etc, of course it's easily broken because of that :/ |
| [09:55:31] | jya: | QUERY_SG_FILEQUERY it's called |
| [09:56:12] | stuartm: | there's also RemoteFile::LastModified() |
| [09:56:42] | stuartm: | which actually just calls QUERY_SG_FILEQUERY ... |
| [09:56:46] | stuartm: | so I'll shut up now |
| [10:00:27] | jya: | stuartm: yes, that's what I just wrote earlier |
| [10:12:29] | stuarta: | stuartm: is there a specific log setting just for the backend webserver?@ |
| [10:15:38] | stuarta: | can't see one in the -v help output |
| [10:16:08] | jya: | stuarta: -v all --loglevel=debug :) |
| [10:16:21] | stuarta: | death.by.logs++ |
| [10:16:32] | stuartm: | stuarta: it's under UPNP atm, since that's what the server was first written for |
| [10:17:36] | stuarta: | hmm, okay |
| [10:17:57] | stuartm: | we'll have to change it |
| [10:19:23] | ** stuarta adds fixing proxying to his list ** | |
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| [11:44:18] | stuartm: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8307dd4990 |
| [11:46:24] | stuarta: | thanks for sharing |
| [11:48:49] | stuartm: | heh, sorry about that, just needed to validate the changeset before I posted it in a ticket and using the autoreplace rule I have setup for [12345] was the fastest way of doing it, just didn't do it in the right window |
| [11:48:49] | MythLogBot: | SVN 12345: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/18d0b946 |
| [11:49:07] | stuarta: | hehehe |
| [11:49:26] | stuartm: | should have seen that coming ;) |
| [11:49:47] | stuartm: | [8307dd4990] |
| [11:50:02] | stuartm: | hmm, why doesn't it do the same for git hashes? |
| [11:50:11] | stuartm: | think we need to fix that |
| [11:50:48] | stuarta: | no idea, lunchtime |
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| [13:09:18] | jya: | is there a way to extract the EIT data as xmltv? |
| [13:12:14] | jya: | where is mythweb source located these days? |
| [13:22:51] | stuarta: | jya: not from the database, but there is xmltv_dvb_eit i think it's called floating around |
| [13:23:03] | stuartm: | jya: in a separate mythweb repo |
| [13:24:17] | stuarta: | jya: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Tv_grab_dvb |
| [13:25:08] | jya: | thanks... at the end of the day, just want to create a fake one. want to fix the rewind/forward between programs in liveTV... never worked proprely |
| [13:25:48] | jya: | like if I'm not watching the current program, I can rewind once , and from that point can do nothing else |
| [13:26:34] | stuarta: | well then, you could always set the grabber to /bin/true and fake program data |
| [13:26:44] | stuarta: | i noticed this in the smolt data |
| [13:37:45] | stuartm: | you don't even need to configure a grabber to insert fake data directly – did that in the past when I had a security camera connected to my mythtv box |
| [13:38:44] | jya: | stuartm: so you just call mythfilldatabase with a dummy xml file ? even if the grabber is only set to EIT it will work? cool |
| [13:38:44] | stuartm: | there was a script floating around for developer use which created fake programmes of just 5 minutes long |
| [13:39:32] | stuartm: | jya: if you've got EIT you don't need xmltv or mfdb at all |
| [13:40:16] | jya: | stuartm: but i do want xmltv! I want to override just one channel with dummy data to set a program every 2 minutes |
| [13:40:27] | stuartm: | ah ok |
| [13:40:29] | jya: | can you pass me that program? |
| [13:41:18] | stuartm: | jya: I didn't have a copy, stichnot or jpabq_ might though, it was used for debugging livetv transitions |
| [13:41:49] | stuartm: | danielk22 might even know of it |
| [13:41:54] | stuartm: | or taylorr |
| [13:42:12] | stuartm: | pretty much anyone except me I guess :/ |
| [13:42:12] | jya: | right... so probably faster if i do one myself :) |
| [13:42:25] | stuarta: | hehe |
| [13:42:28] | stuartm: | jya: at this point, that's probably true |
| [13:42:59] | stuartm: | we should have a repo just for these things so there's no need to keep duplicating the work |
| [13:44:53] | jya: | something is dodgy in the seek workaround that check if the data is already in the ring buffer. it takes *much* longer to seek toward the end of the file when we are within the existing ring buffer data, than seeking outside of it |
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| [13:46:04] | stuartm: | aye I've noticed that |
| [13:46:46] | jya: | right... added to todo list then |
| [13:47:11] | jya: | and off to bed |
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| [16:33:45] | gigem: | jya: What status did mythfrontend show for your partial recordings? It should have been 'Aborted'. |
| [16:35:15] | gigem: | stuarta (and stuartm): I was going to suggest the menu overlay the content instead of moving it too. I also wonder if I might like it better if the collapsed menu had to be clicked first to open instead doing so automatically on mouse over. |
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| [16:39:11] | gigem: | Does anyone know if UPNP requires recording times to be reported in UTC? If not, would anyone object to me changing the mythtv UPNP to report them in local time? I'm going to give my mom an RPI to use on her other TV when my niece monopolizes the one with mythtv. She wouldn't like/understand it if all of the recording times are in UTC. |
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| [16:48:32] | stuarta: | gigem: applying a localtime conversion for display makes sense, but i wouldn't change the protocol level side of it |
| [16:57:48] | gigem: | stuarta: The problem is the upnp client isn't mythtv and hasn't any way of knowing the 'times' (which I think, but haven't checked, are really just textual descriptions reported by mythtv) are in UTC and need to be converted. It's confusing, even for me, to browse the backend's recordings section by date and see this evening's recordings listed as in the early morning hours of tomorrow. |
| [17:01:11] | stuarta: | i think you are going to have to read the spec. i have no idea |
| [17:01:18] | jheizer: | gigem, have you tried xbmc with myth on the RPi? When I messed with it before the PVR plugins XBMC itself ran pretty good and the plugins now are pretty solid. |
| [17:02:50] | jheizer: | May give an easier to use UI than a general Upnp player. |
| [17:08:55] | gigem: | jheizer: Not very much yet. I only got it last night. I also didn't get the mpeg2 codec license until this moring, so I could only try watching a handful of old, h.264 recordings from my hdpvr days. Initially, I just want me mom to be able to watch her recordings with some reasonable control. Her TV can actually do upnp itself, but it doesn't appear to support ff/rew and it's skip ahead/back is way too |
| [17:08:57] | gigem: | coarse to be useful. If/when I have time and am really motivated (yeah, right!), I might try to update/write an xbmc/pvr plugin using the services api. |
| [17:09:18] | gigem: | stuarta: I'll see if can find out. |
| [17:10:39] | jheizer: | I was never one to consider XBMC as a FE until the recent PVR stuff. I mean I still use myth fe everywhere except on my windows desktop where I use xbmc at lunch time. I have been impressed with how far it has come. Bookmarks syncing with myth to resume from another FE, auto comm skip, etc all there now. |
| [17:11:43] | stuarta: | hmmm, seeing that bug report from garyb, i need to setups a f20-qt5 buildslave |
| [17:11:45] | gigem: | jheizer: Cool. And that's in an existing mythtv plugin? |
| [17:11:53] | jheizer: | Haven't tried it on my RPi in a very very long time. |
| [17:12:23] | jheizer: | Yeahhttp://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=MythTV_PVR |
| [17:12:25] | jheizer: | Live TV as well |
| [17:12:55] | jheizer: | I believe you have to be on the nightlys for auto comm skip and such. |
| [17:13:29] | gigem: | That sounds really promising. I tried a mythtv plugin several months ago on a plain linux installation of xbmc and didn't get anywhere with it. |
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| [17:43:22] | knightr: | stuartm, Hi Stuart! Would it be ok for mods to present themselves in the section they moderate? (I was asked about this....) I believe one mod had posted something similar in his section and it was removed but I do not know why... thank you! |
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| [17:53:42] | knightr: | (as far as I can tell the mod who had done that removed the message himself, I don't know if he was asked to do it or not though...) |
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| [20:10:44] | stuartm: | knightr: nothing has been removed that I'm aware of, – yes that would be perfectly fine |
| [20:11:31] | stuartm: | hmm ... there was a post in the Bulgarian forum that's no longer there |
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| [20:12:55] | stuartm: | knightr: ok, according to the moderator log, the post from danchokanev (the bulgarian moderator) was removed by danchokanev |
| [20:13:28] | stuartm: | "danchokanev Deleted topic “moderator†written by danchokanev" |
| [20:14:17] | stuartm: | knightr: sorry, I didn't read your second sentence :/ |
| [20:16:22] | stuartm: | gigem: I'll take a look at the upnp stuff since I have the specs handy and have done a little work on improving the upnp side of things |
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| [20:38:39] | gigem: | stuartm: ok. |
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| [21:00:08] | stuarta: | how bizarre, fedora 20 includes mingw qt packages |
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| [21:49:45] | knightr: | stuartm, so no problem with doing some sort of presentation post? |
| [21:49:50] | knightr: | ttyl |
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| [21:53:42] | stuartm: | knightr: no, none at all |
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| [21:56:25] | knightr: | multumesc Stuart! |
| [21:59:32] | stuartm: | Romanian, that's a new one :) |
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| [22:00:27] | bivo: | Hi, how is an E-350 as a mythbox? |
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| [22:06:43] | knightr: | stuartm, da, I have a friend who speaks Romanian and I have started learning how to say a few things in it... |
| [22:07:05] | knightr: | Noapte bună Stuart! |
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| [22:08:56] | stuartm: | boa noite |
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| [22:16:04] | knightr: | Большо& ETH;µ ÑпаÑибо ;! ;-) ;-) ;-) (you had me looking for my keys, I am remotely accessing my pc so and this keyboard does not have cyrillic characters on it...) |
| [22:16:14] | knightr: | ttyl |
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| [22:27:49] | stuartm: | you have the advantage over me ;) |
| [22:30:19] | stuartm: | actually, got a Russian electrican in tomorrow ... maybe I can learn something :) |
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| [23:50:11] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I've submitted several "trouble vids" that worked on previous version that didn't work in a future version... however, I have no idea if they were "saved" by you guys for testing, although it was discussed at the time |
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