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| [00:23:18] | knightr: | stuartm, I work with the guy on the French translation and I know he helps people quite deal on their forum. We did not have anything in French so they filled the void... I believe I would give him mod access... If you want I can talk to him about trying to avoid to redirect people too much to their site... |
| [00:23:50] | knightr: | Thing is, unless we start creating many forums in different languagues, these sites will always have their place... |
| [00:24:24] | knightr: | so we cannot expect people not to visit or refer to these sites once in a while... |
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| [00:27:55] | skd5aner: | I pretty much agree with knightr – no harm, no foul. They were "here" first because MythTV didn't want to be "here" at all (as in, forums)... so, keep the french sub forum, and let people cycle between both as they wish. |
| [00:29:18] | skd5aner: | I have a feeling that people who can speak english from the third-party french forum will likely still frequent the official forums, and people who speak french and are just discovering mythtv are likely to find the official forums much easier, I'd imagine |
| [00:29:30] | skd5aner: | so... I think they can co-exist in harmony :) |
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| [03:00:35] | skd5aner: | I'm preparing the email to announce the forums to the -users list |
| [03:00:42] | skd5aner: | will send momentarily |
| [03:03:48] | gnac: | mythbackend will not work as a service. I get "tuners are busy" |
| [03:03:54] | gnac: | If I run as root or the login user, it works fine. |
| [03:03:58] | gnac: | I have added mythbackend to users and video group for access to /dev/dvb* but still no luck |
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| [03:04:30] | wagnerrp: | gnac: this is the development form, you want #mythtv-users |
| [03:04:36] | wagnerrp: | s/forum/channel/ |
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| [03:05:00] | wagnerrp: | ah, you mentioned it there too.... |
| [03:06:01] | gnac: | yeah, myth-users is not very responsive. sorry for cross posting |
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| [03:10:58] | jya: | what's going on with the disconnection this morning ? |
| [03:11:24] | jya: | anyhow... the issue is somewhere in the BE server for sure... I have trouble pin-pointing the issue otherwise |
| [03:12:10] | skd5aner: | sent |
| [03:12:14] | skd5aner: | lets see how that goes |
| [03:12:29] | skd5aner: | positive feedback and replies are welcome :D |
| [03:12:56] | jya: | I thought only unhappy posts about forums were allowed ? |
| [03:13:47] | skd5aner: | vocal minority, certainly very vocal this time it seems |
| [03:14:35] | jya: | Personally, and it has probably be done already, but I'd like to see a developer forum as well, and opened to everyone... |
| [03:14:46] | skd5aner: | All those western union telegraph operators probably sent hundreds of unhappy telegrams when the telephone was being rolled out |
| [03:14:49] | jya: | where devs actually participate |
| [03:15:58] | skd5aner: | there is... https://forum.mythtv.org/viewforum.php?f=6 |
| [03:16:14] | skd5aner: | of course, participation is not there, but the forum /did/ just open |
| [03:16:54] | skd5aner: | as well as a "third party" and "api" forum |
| [03:19:11] | jya: | hmmm.. I can't join. There's no Australian English option |
| [03:23:31] | jya: | that page is in serious need of an update: http://www.mythtv.org/detail/mythtv |
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| [03:29:43] | knightr: | stuartm, s/quite deal/quite a great deal/ |
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| [03:31:19] | skd5aner: | stuartm, stuarta: jya joined the forum, can you add him to the dev group please? |
| [03:31:34] | skd5aner: | jya: I'm sure there's no French-Australian English either |
| [03:31:47] | jya: | the dev group is going to be private? I think it would be better if not. |
| [03:31:48] | skd5aner: | let's shut the whole thing down!! |
| [03:31:53] | skd5aner: | not private |
| [03:32:10] | jya: | what's the dev group? |
| [03:32:16] | skd5aner: | the dev group just gives you a special badge identifying as a developer, and gives you moderator privilages |
| [03:32:41] | jya: | oh cool. I can become a benevolent dictator :) |
| [03:33:01] | skd5aner: | weren't you already? |
| [03:33:36] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [03:33:53] | skd5aner: | alright, I think it's time for bed... I'll be curious to wake up to my inbox in the morning |
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| [03:35:36] | jya: | good night |
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| [03:52:23] | jya: | shouldn't we have something dedicated to problems/troubleshooting , and not general ? |
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| [06:52:40] | dekarl: | stuartm, I like the new lock. I was thinking to swap trac and cgit links around (because we have a trac icon but not a cgit icon, but if you find one, I'm happy with either) |
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| [09:30:30] | stuarta: | jya: skd5aner stuartm added jya to the developers group |
| [09:30:45] | jya: | \o/ |
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| [09:41:52] | stuarta: | jya: of course it's primarily decorative |
| [09:43:15] | stuarta: | ahah, you can moderate too. i thought so :) |
| [09:44:10] | jya: | are the unit tests in use by the buildbot ? |
| [09:45:30] | stuarta: | it does run them yes |
| [09:45:41] | jya: | because the unit tests I've written that make use of the various ringbuffer / remotefile / threadedFileWriter, FileRingBufffer |
| [09:45:49] | jya: | 1- they take a little while to run |
| [09:46:07] | jya: | 2- they do test writing/reading to a remote backend |
| [09:46:31] | jya: | so you do need a a running backend for the test to succeed. |
| [09:46:38] | stuarta: | #1 is not a problem |
| [09:46:38] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [09:46:57] | stuarta: | 2 is. we would have to work out a scheme of simulating the remote backend |
| [09:47:23] | jya: | And finally, as I'm using signals in there; I had to use a QTEST_MAIN type unit test, which seems to require X to run (even though it isn't used) |
| [09:47:26] | stuarta: | or more to the point, the unit test would have to fire up everything it needs to work, and it would have to be local on the machine |
| [09:48:06] | jya: | I guess, that particular test will simply fail... but I wonder if that would cause the buildbot to fail |
| [09:48:56] | stuarta: | no i don't believe so, we don't currently fail builds on unit tests because they are so incomplete |
| [09:49:11] | stuarta: | did you unit test help you identifying what was wrong? |
| [09:49:34] | jya: | ah cool... well, in the worse case that's what it will do... you do need about 5GB of free disk so far (I write for a maximum of 10s or 1GB per thread/file) |
| [09:49:50] | stuarta: | don't mind so long as it cleans up |
| [09:50:09] | jya: | unfortunately, I'm not even sure that I'll be able to reproduce the problem I'm seeing with some frontend |
| [09:50:18] | stuarta: | all my buildslaves have 50Gb for the builder |
| [09:50:30] | jya: | since I've made each frontend mount directly the NFS directory, I haven't had a single playback failure |
| [09:50:50] | stuarta: | so before it was streaming via the mythtv protocol? |
| [09:50:52] | jya: | kind of defeat the purpose of the myth:// bit and the configuration-less stuff |
| [09:50:56] | jya: | yes. |
| [09:51:45] | jya: | if the backend writes to the NFS share, and the frontend reads from that NFS share: it works brilliantly. I mean just like anyone would expect |
| [09:51:51] | stuarta: | so maybe what we need to do is stress/unit test the mythtv streaming protocol |
| [09:52:17] | jya: | the issue and lock always occurs in the ringbuffer class |
| [09:52:30] | jya: | and that's what the mythtv protocol is using to serve the file. |
| [09:58:16] | stuarta: | at least you know where it is now |
| [10:00:54] | jya: | I've known where it locks up in a while... I don't understand why it locks up :) |
| [10:01:54] | jya: | looking at the ringbuffer, whenever you open it in write mode; it uses the ThreadedFileWriter ; really we could extremely simply make it use a ThreadedFileWriter for local file or a RemoteFile for anything else |
| [10:02:17] | jya: | that way you could have the main backend, write files using the myth protocol to a secondary backend with local disks |
| [10:03:51] | jya: | or have secondary backend with a capture card that write their files on the main backend |
| [10:49:12] | stuartm: | skd5aner: thanks for the announcement :) |
| [10:49:23] | stuartm: | skd5aner: fwiw, phpbb supports atoms feeds natively |
| [10:53:02] | stuartm: | stuarta: apart from the permissions (moderation) and decorative features of the group, you can also do stuff like send a PM everyone in group X |
| [10:53:27] | stuarta: | i knew you would know since you did that configuration part :) |
| [10:56:16] | stuartm: | also simplifies access controls if we were to set up a 'developer only' forum (not currently on the cards), since you'd configure it to allow only those from the 'developer' group to view/post |
| [10:56:45] | stuarta: | yep, although i see no need for such a thing |
| [10:57:03] | ** stuartm either ** | |
| [10:58:35] | stuartm: | just downloading tapatalk to the forum, will investigate the installation later today |
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| [12:17:01] | stuartm: | so tapatalk doesn't support TLS ... |
| [12:19:21] | stuarta: | doh |
| [12:21:36] | stuartm: | they do support ssl, so I guess I could enable that, but let me try reporting it as a bug first |
| [12:27:00] | stuarta: | interesting our top 4 referrers for the wiki are 1. wiki.xbmc.org 2. ubuntuforums.org 3. mythbuntu.org 4. gossamer-threads |
| [12:31:58] | ** stuarta head off for lunch ** | |
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| [14:12:45] | stuarta: | \o/ finally remembered my wiki password |
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| [15:21:49] | stuartm: | OK, tapatalk seems to be working, registered myself a second account with standard privs since I'm not too comfortable giving tapatalk the password to my 'admin' account |
| [15:23:58] | stuarta: | heh |
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| [16:06:30] | stuartm: | crap, that's the second cup of tea I've let go cold ... |
| [16:10:00] | stuarta: | doh |
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| [17:28:01] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I couldn't directly see where someone could sign up for feeds?? (atom or otherwise) |
| [17:29:30] | stuartm: | skd5aner: they are meta-links, so visible to a feed supporting browser or client, but there's no 'click here for atom' link |
| [17:30:49] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [17:31:59] | stuartm: | might be fair to acknowledge that afaik, Opera is the only browser with a built in atom/rss reader, but when you visit the forum in Opera it shows the rss icon in the address bar, clicking on that lets you select and subscribe to one of the feeds |
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| [17:52:07] | knightr: | stuartm, Hi! you asked me to tell you if there were people who should be set as translators (I can't do that, can I?) The folowing people need would need to be: gilles74, warpme, snouF. |
| [17:52:48] | knightr: | warpme (real name is Piotr I believe but he never uses his real name) is the Polish translator |
| [17:53:22] | stuartm: | yeah warpme provided the polish translation and is moderator of the Polish forum |
| [17:53:50] | knightr: | gilles74 and SnouF are in the French language translation team (snouF (Jonas) does not usually do translation but he takes care of any issues we may have as far as hosting and the like are concerned...) |
| [17:53:56] | stuartm: | knightr: as group leader I'd imagine you can add people to the group, but I'm not sure how ... I'll add them for now and try to learn the answer to that question later |
| [17:54:14] | knightr: | yep I saw but I believe he is not set as translator currently... |
| [17:54:19] | knightr: | nici o problema... |
| [17:54:23] | stuartm: | knightr: should I add gilles and SnouF as moderators of the France forum? |
| [17:54:51] | knightr: | let's put gilles only for now.. |
| [17:55:13] | knightr: | if there is any intereset from snouF later I believe it would be a good idea... |
| [17:55:41] | knightr: | but AFAIK, he is one of the founder of that French forum so he already has quite a lot of stuff to take care of... |
| [17:55:52] | knightr: | s/intereset/interest |
| [17:56:26] | stuartm: | knightr: try User Control Panel > Usergroups > Manage Groups |
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| [17:56:41] | knightr: | let me check... |
| [17:56:54] | stuartm: | SnouF emailed me directly asking to be made a moderator |
| [17:57:07] | stuartm: | just wanted to check with you first |
| [17:58:40] | knightr: | I see no problem.. |
| [17:58:46] | knightr: | but I am surprised he did... |
| [18:00:17] | stuartm: | I think Gilles forwarded the email I sent to the translators list |
| [18:00:28] | stuartm: | actually I know he did |
| [18:01:47] | knightr: | I know he did but I am surprised he asked for this considering he already has the other forum to maintain and he knows Gilles wanted to be a mod... |
| [18:01:53] | knightr: | thank you Stuart! I am surprised this is where this had to be done but I have added them to the translators group... |
| [18:03:09] | stuartm: | knightr: yeah, it's not very intuitive, but I'm glad it worked |
| [18:03:10] | knightr: | (it is kind of funny to put that under the user control panel since this is more like an admin function than a user function...) |
| [18:03:18] | knightr: | thank you! |
| [18:03:19] | stuartm: | aye |
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| [19:06:50] | stuartm: | knightr: did you forget warpme? |
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| [19:57:28] | caelor: | stuartm: could you consider adding "margin-top: 38px" (or possibly 40px) to id="wrap" in the theme? The top banner prevents getting to user control panel for me on Chrome/Win |
| [19:57:56] | caelor: | overriding the css in dev tools shifts it down, but still leaves the nice blend effect |
| [19:58:36] | stuartm: | caelor: already did days ago |
| [19:58:44] | stuartm: | clear your browser cache |
| [19:59:40] | caelor: | this was on a machine that hadn't accessed the forums before today. Clearing it and forcing refresh has fixed it. I guess VirginMedia must be caching somewhere... |
| [19:59:40] | stuartm: | in fact the margin was only missing for a few minutes after I accidentally overwrite/lost the changes I made to the css |
| [20:00:06] | stuartm: | caelor: glad you've got it working :) |
| [20:00:18] | caelor: | :) yep, and sorry for the noise |
| [20:01:55] | stuartm: | chrome is overly aggressive about caching, even Shift + Reload doesn't work :( |
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| [20:33:57] | knightr: | stuartm, oops, for some weird reason when came the time to add the others I thought he was alrady in the group... he was not... thank you for reminding me! |
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| [21:13:13] | ** jheizer_ just did a rm -rf * in the wrong directory :( ** | |
| [21:17:09] | wagnerrp_: | is there any reason we're still storing off a temp download from Schedules Direct? |
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