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| [01:53:16] | skd5aner: | jya, stuartm: #11119 and #12044 – both tickets explaining the "recordings get placed in Live TV rec group" bug – mine is obviously a dupe, but yea, it's been reported or nearly a year and a half. |
| [01:53:16] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11119 ** | |
| [01:53:16] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12044 ** | |
| [01:54:16] | skd5aner: | stuartm: on the forums, I think I mentioned a few weeks ago, but it might make sense to have an actual sub-form for FAQs – it's much more effective to have that (and move topics to it) than stickying a bunch of topics in other forums... |
| [01:54:30] | skd5aner: | stuartm: also, I still think Moderators are missing the sticky function |
| [02:12:51] | wagnerrp: | i can delete, merge, move, copy, lock, unlock, and resync |
| [02:12:53] | wagnerrp: | no sticky |
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| [03:02:27] | jya_: | well, I doubt my liveTV issues are due to mismatching between the writing and the reading. I left LiveTV overnight, and it failed after 4 hours this time. I had made the playback be about 5 minutes behind live... precisely to test that case.. |
| [03:03:26] | jya_: | wish danielk221 was still there... Wanting to know how to play with QThread in Qt unit test system |
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| [04:51:27] | jya_: | wagnerrp: how would I change the logging level without using command line argument ? |
| [04:51:46] | jya_: | e.g. I want LOG(VB_FILE, ...) to appear on my console (within my unit test) |
| [04:55:28] | jya_: | anyone: what's the easiest way to retrieve the default path for the storage group used to record live TV, or default recordings |
| [04:55:40] | wagnerrp: | just delete them |
| [04:55:50] | jya_: | ? |
| [04:55:52] | wagnerrp: | there is no default path, only the hard coded one when none are defined |
| [04:56:09] | jya_: | I mean when I enter a URL like myth://blah |
| [04:56:10] | wagnerrp: | oh, you mean figure out where it's going to record? |
| [04:56:20] | jya_: | it goes and fetch it in a given directory |
| [04:56:32] | jya_: | I want to calculate how fast I can write to the default storage group |
| [04:56:38] | jya_: | so I'd like to retrieve the path |
| [04:57:00] | jya_: | (I used to know) :) |
| [04:57:35] | wagnerrp: | looks like you can define a mask in MythCommandLineParser::ConfigureLogging |
| [04:58:06] | jya_: | so I just call that and automagically the logging is going to appear? |
| [04:58:13] | wagnerrp: | or if you need more control, poke the command line arguments with MythCommandLineParser::SetValue before running ::ConfigureLogging |
| [04:58:37] | wagnerrp: | i assume so. Bei rdo wrote that part |
| [04:58:39] | jya_: | I ijust want to enable the equivalent to -v file --loglevel=debug |
| [05:00:38] | wagnerrp: | try MythCommandLineParser::SetValue("verbose", "file"); MythCommandLineParser::SetValue("loglevel", "debug"); MythCommandLineParser::ConfigureLogging() |
| [05:00:55] | wagnerrp: | those are not static methods, so you'll have to call them against the parser object |
| [05:01:02] | jya_: | that uses global variables? |
| [05:01:18] | jya_: | and where is the parser object? |
| [05:01:58] | jya_: | sigh... you don't do myth dev for a few months, and I can't remember anything :( |
| [05:02:02] | wagnerrp: | https://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/myth . . . main.cpp#n54 |
| [05:02:13] | wagnerrp: | defined at the top of main() |
| [05:02:49] | wagnerrp: | also of interest... https://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/myth . . . main.cpp#n91 |
| [05:03:17] | jya_: | seems the command line is passed to run_backend |
| [05:03:37] | wagnerrp: | that's in main_helpers.cpp |
| [05:03:57] | wagnerrp: | basically, just more conditionals that pull values out of the parser to figure out how to start up the backend |
| [05:04:50] | jya_: | seems from the content of the command line, it actually does a gCoreContext->SendMessage("SET_VERBOSE ...") |
| [05:05:37] | jya_: | hmm, no that's just to change the verbosity on the backend itself |
| [05:05:57] | wagnerrp: | that's if you want to connect to an existing backend to change the verbosity |
| [05:06:33] | jya_: | ok.. thanks for that.. at least I know where to look. |
| [05:06:53] | jya_: | now, need to find out how to retrieve the actual path of a storage group |
| [05:07:01] | jya_: | I think i used that in the metadata stuff |
| [05:07:17] | wagnerrp: | just any storage group? or a recording path? |
| [05:07:27] | wagnerrp: | there's this... https://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/myth . . . er.cpp#n4544 |
| [05:07:43] | jya_: | wagnerrp: any storage group as far as I'm concerned |
| [05:07:48] | jya_: | so typically the default one |
| [05:07:56] | jya_: | as that's where recordings are stored |
| [05:08:10] | wagnerrp: | but you probably want this... https://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/myth . . . oup.cpp#n192 |
| [05:08:31] | wagnerrp: | or something in there |
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| [10:07:27] | stuartm: | the option for developers and global administrators to post announcements and stickies should now be there – the permissions sets are very granular and I had to set it for every single forum :/ |
| [10:08:53] | stuarta: | \o/ |
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| [12:33:34] | stuarta: | stuartm: i think we need to update http://www.mythtv.org/support/ "no official web-based forums" |
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| [12:34:11] | stuarta: | hmm, the link to the developer docs points to danielk's server |
| [12:34:19] | stuarta: | something else to fix |
| [12:34:25] | ** stuarta lunches ** | |
| [12:35:25] | stuartm: | stuarta: the main link doesn't, the mirror link does though |
| [12:36:04] | stuartm: | oh, the link on that page ... will fix that when I fix the forum link |
| [12:36:53] | dekarl: | stuarta, I already changed the wording on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Forums without adding the link to the new forum |
| [12:41:22] | stuarta: | dekarl: noticed that a few minutes ago |
| [12:42:55] | dekarl: | I'm wondering if it makes sense to collect links to MythTV related local forums/threads on the wiki, e.g. for Australians this might be an interesting place http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=564660 |
| [12:55:05] | stuartm: | stuarta: fixed support page |
| [12:56:14] | stuartm: | might be an idea to post to those places announcing the official forums, particularly the localised forums too |
| [12:57:49] | stuarta: | the french one has already linked back to ours |
| [12:58:47] | stuarta: | i'd say announce it on the -users mailing list first |
| [13:17:20] | stuartm: | skd5aner: has kindly offered to write that announcement |
| [13:17:35] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [13:18:02] | ** stuartm has unilaterally given him the official position of community manager/press officer ** | |
| [13:18:30] | stuartm: | didn't think I'd need to waste time putting that to a vote when no-one was likely to object :) |
| [13:33:00] | stuarta: | hahaha |
| [13:33:07] | stuarta: | i 2nd your decision |
| [13:52:51] | stuartm: | anyone know what BR stands for? Third time I've seen it as a sign-off in 24 hours, once from a Bulgarian, once from a Pole and a third I can't remember |
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| [13:53:51] | stuartm: | I first thought it was a mistaken attempt to put a <br> tag in a plain text email, then it was used on the forum by someone else (warpme) |
| [13:54:28] | dekarl: | stuarta, according to #4749 simply no one cared back then |
| [13:54:28] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4749 ** | |
| [13:58:55] | stuartm: | dekarl: the issue is that it's wiki.mythtv.org by default, but someone has added a deliberate redirect to www.mythtv.org/wiki |
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| [14:02:21] | stuartm: | we're not sure why anyone would do that, unless it was for some SEO trick |
| [14:04:55] | Merlin83b: | Best Regards? |
| [14:05:28] | stuarta: | stuartm: i'm 98% sure it's SEO |
| [14:05:44] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: that would make sense |
| [14:06:08] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: don't know why I didn't think of that, thanks |
| [14:06:14] | Merlin83b: | Heh, np |
| [14:06:27] | Merlin83b: | I've seen it a few times, albeit from British writers. |
| [14:07:29] | stuartm: | yeah, guess I was trying too hard to find an Eastern European connection |
| [14:16:50] | stuarta: | stuartm: from what i know of SEO, using multiple web addresses dilutes your search results |
| [14:19:14] | stuarta: | ie. A=100, B=40, C=10, while if everthing goes to A, you end up with 150 which is higher up the list than 100 |
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| [15:31:08] | stuartm: | so as long as we make sure everything uses wiki.mythtv.org it shouldn't make a difference? |
| [15:31:35] | stuartm: | permanent redirect www.mythtv.org/wiki to wiki.mythtv.org |
| [15:34:37] | stuarta: | well that's how we would do it, if we care about maintaining already indexed results |
| [15:35:02] | stuarta: | but that does reduce our overall SEO rank since wiki != www |
| [15:37:11] | stuartm: | if there were any other MythTV's out there which we could be confused with then maybe our overall ranking would matter more |
| [15:39:36] | stuarta: | i'm still trying to work out if i give a crap or not about SEO |
| [15:42:53] | stuartm: | I never have |
| [15:43:46] | stuartm: | as I said, maybe matters more when you're trying to push your product above a competitors in the search results, but people looking for MythTV are going to get search results for our site |
| [15:44:06] | stuarta: | aye |
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| [16:46:07] | dekarl: | Hmm, isn't it enough to keep existing links working – simply to avoid frustration – as we are not trying to monetize the website? |
| [16:46:52] | dekarl: | Just switch the wiki's urls around and keep an eye on popular 404s |
| [16:47:23] | stuarta: | dekarl: that's exactly what you do |
| [16:47:41] | stuarta: | s/popular/any/ |
| [16:50:16] | dekarl: | so it all comes down to SEO or not to SEO ;) |
| [16:50:54] | stuarta: | i prefer, to give a crap, or not give a crap |
| [16:52:33] | dekarl: | lets do that |
| [16:54:37] | ** stuarta puts on DILLIGAF hat ** | |
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| [18:18:14] | warpme: | jya: taking into account Your problems with LiveTV on so powerful system/network – did You consider tests with 1\direct (no NFS) writing on BE; and 2\different OS. Reading IRC logs shows me that Your BE HW is WAY enough I believe. I personally would bed on NFS. If Your physical setup not allows easy skipping NFS on tuner->filesystem path – You may temporarily attach spare HDD to BE and map temporairly it as SG for LIveTV. I'm really wonder |
| [18:18:14] | warpme: | results... |
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| [19:05:02] | dekarl: | warpme: have you already browsed around on our smolt installation? It has information like 2.4% of the known installations have a "WinTV HVR-2250" device (Top entry from the DEVICES tab of http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/by_class_MULTIMEDIA.html ) |
| [19:05:47] | dekarl: | if we extend the data collection wrt network tuners & co. we could get a database of hardware used "out in the wild" |
| [19:07:04] | dekarl: | A manually crafted list of "known good hardware for country/provider X" is easier to create, but I'm not sure if its easier to keep up to date |
| [19:08:42] | dekarl: | wrt hardware, I've seen a "Mythbox plugin" over on the french forum and wondered if we can fill out such information with the data from the smolt profile automatically (connected via the UUID) |
| [19:08:43] | dekarl: | http://mythtv-fr.org/forums/profile.php?id=2#mythbox |
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| [19:11:06] | wagnerrp_: | dekarl: something like... "HDHOMERUN 3765 35.2 %" |
| [19:13:07] | dekarl: | ahh, but which HDHR? After all I hear that I smoke crack when I tell them that the HDTC-US2 might just work (including the transcoding) |
| [19:16:22] | wagnerrp_: | can't answer that one |
| [19:16:32] | wagnerrp_: | actually, can we even pull that information? |
| [19:16:51] | ** wagnerrp_ looks to see what information is available from the HDHR protocol ** | |
| [19:19:15] | wagnerrp_: | >./hdhomerun_config 103C0977 get /sys/hwmodel HDHR3-US |
| [19:19:20] | wagnerrp_: | seems so |
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| [19:34:47] | stuartm: | jams: what needs to be done to enable the missing stats from http://smolt.mythtv.org/static/stats/stats.html ? |
| [19:35:04] | stuartm: | e.g. language, country, theme etc? |
| [19:35:46] | warpme: | dekarl: if You are referring to my subject on MythTV hardware sub forum – then my intentios was little different. Taking into accout my experience with DVBS/S2 tuners (I has experience with 4 types) – for 3 of them I ended with patching kernel. Was fan for me – but for casual user is might be nightmare. i.e. PTG7301 needs to replace code for STB90x fronted as default kernel one had problem with 5/6FEC. As 5/6 causes lower tolerance on S/N – I |
| [19:35:46] | warpme: | spent week checking my SAT install. before discover that issue is within demodulator :-). Having forum will allow to inform others about such black holes... |
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| [20:05:52] | dekarl: | warpme: yes, thats exactly what I was thinking, too. We have the basic smolt running, but users should be able to mark hardware as "works superduper out of the box" "had to fiddle around to get it to somehow work" and "no chance of getting this stuff working" |
| [20:06:31] | dekarl: | see the legend on http://smolt.mythtv.org/reports/device_ratings |
| [20:10:06] | jheizer: | HDHR and network tuners has spoiled me. Until you try to remotely help someone fight with cablecard/tuning adapters and their cable co. |
| [20:13:40] | warpme: | dekarl: just quick q: I see You have #9480 in queue. It will be nice to touch this ticket as some of my Polish users (me as well) have nasty issue with randomly appearing wrong polish chars in EPG :-(. |
| [20:13:40] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9480 ** | |
| [20:14:40] | jheizer: | Where do you find your Smolt UUID? |
| [20:15:44] | dekarl: | warpme: does it work without breaking other transmissions? Its missing unit tests and I have not yet found the time to sit down and look at the bitmask fiddling in fixup[] |
| [20:16:40] | warpme: | dekarl: may You be little more speciffic? |
| [20:16:51] | wagnerrp_: | jheizer: it will be used when submitting a profile, and should be listed in the dialog that lets you enable/disable smolt |
| [20:17:05] | wagnerrp_: | i know it's at least listed in the setup wizard |
| [20:17:24] | dekarl: | jheizer: e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6921967/ |
| [20:18:13] | jheizer: | Ah, I have been runnign since way before the setup wizard so have never run it. I bet I don't even smolt enabled then. Thanks. |
| [20:18:15] | dekarl: | also see SELECT * FROM `settings` where value like '%UUID%' |
| [20:19:09] | dekarl: | I have one (global) cluster id and a set of a private/public id per host |
| [20:19:33] | jheizer: | Ah, is in DB, but the lookup on the site fails. The path '/show' was not found. |
| [20:19:46] | jheizer: | but could just mean never submitted |
| [20:19:49] | jheizer: | maybe |
| [20:20:44] | jheizer: | I've always found the smolt data interesting but never saw the lookup page before now. |
| [20:22:50] | dekarl: | warpme: I would like to write automated tests for the EIT fixup routines as I want to avoid that a fix for situation A breaks situation B on the other side of the world |
| [20:23:30] | dekarl: | warpme: as the patch introduced a new way of hashing together the IDs I want to make sure that its not going to collide with hashs in, say Australia, where no one has tested the patch |
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| [20:23:42] | dekarl: | but I did not yet find the time to do that |
| [20:25:23] | warpme: | dekarl: good idea :-). I believe issue is within patch code as I don't believe one from PL SAT providers have such high level of errors in EIT national characters coding.... |
| [20:25:30] | dekarl: | warpme, I'm talking about this part of the patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/6922018/ |
| [20:25:57] | dekarl: | I need to sit down and count which type has how many bits to see if they can collide or if its safe |
| [20:27:46] | warpme: | dekarl: I'm wonder Your opinion regarding general approach taken in this patch. Looking on fixups for other providers – this patch look much more complicated. Do You believe approach thane by patch creator is optimal one? |
| [20:28:09] | warpme: | s/thane/taken/ |
| [20:28:38] | dekarl: | e.g. the service_id is 16 bit, but the differentation between "guide was transmitted *on*" and "guide was transmitted *for*" is in bit 1 << 15. Which looks fishy |
| [20:29:20] | dekarl: | the optimum patch is no patch because you talked the provider to fix their settings when you meet them for a beer :D |
| [20:30:37] | warpme: | dekarl: ah I see. We switched into dreaming mode.... |
| [20:32:37] | dekarl: | Ahh, I looked at the patch to long... All the mixed up terminology (before the patch) gives me headaches |
| [20:33:04] | dekarl: | warpme: I'll bump it up in my queue, but no promises. Much to clean up around there so I can try to understand whats going on |
| [20:33:57] | warpme: | dekarl: my User will send You flowers. Geeme address... |
| [20:34:13] | warpme: | s/user/users/ |
| [20:36:39] | stuarta: | ahah! cgit works now \o/ |
| [20:41:48] | stuarta: | next victim trac... |
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| [21:42:50] | stuartm: | knightr: do we want to give moderator positions to the guys who run their own french language forums? Should we be concerned that they'll just redirect every enquiry over to their site? |
| [21:44:07] | stuartm: | Maybe that's actually better for the French community, it's just that I was aiming to do the opposite, draw the disparate communities together instead of acting as a hub with little of our own content |
| [21:47:15] | stuarta: | stuartm: they already have directed them there in their first post |
| [21:47:27] | stuarta: | but they did also link back to us from their site |
| [21:47:38] | ** stuarta punches hetzner ** | |
| [21:47:49] | stuarta: | 51% packet loss is not acceptable |
| [21:48:29] | wagnerrp_: | majority vote says they're offline |
| [21:48:56] | ** stuarta raises support case ** | |
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| [21:49:49] | stuartm: | stuarta: I know, that's why I'm concerned :) |
| [21:50:46] | stuartm: | although I haven't seen the posting on their site, so many my perspective is skewed |
| [21:56:39] | stuartm: | and I'm probably reading too much into their forum posting, but it read as a piece of strong marketing with them describing it as a 'very strong, rich reference in our language' (paraphrasing) |
| [21:56:58] | stuarta: | yeah, but i don't mind too much |
| [21:57:14] | stuarta: | lets see how it goes |
| [21:58:36] | stuartm: | if no-one else minds then I'm OK with it, I'm not French after all and neither is my French that great |
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| [21:58:39] | stuartm: | :) |
| [22:00:46] | dekarl: | btw, where should the wiki link to for git commits? It was github, it is trac, but I wondered if cgit makes more sense. |
| [22:01:01] | stuartm: | github |
| [22:01:10] | stuartm: | cgit has no blame support etc |
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| [22:02:11] | dekarl: | ok, github is where I go for blame, too. |
| [22:02:36] | stuartm: | it's a poor alternative to the tools offered on github and I always curse when I find myself following a link and finding that I'm on cgit instead of github |
| [22:03:16] | stuartm: | github can be slower at times, but blame alone is worth it |
| [22:03:18] | ** stuarta adds that to the list ** | |
| [22:03:46] | dekarl: | wrt the french community, they appear to be doing their thing. But have been generally open for cooperation e.g. when I wrapped their main guide source into an xmltv grabber. |
| [22:04:31] | stuartm: | stuarta: in case what you added to your list is to investigate 'blame' for cgit – it doesn't exist, apparently the design of cgit makes it impossible to add |
| [22:05:14] | stuarta: | what i do like about cgit, is the nice clean access to view the commit diff |
| [22:07:37] | stuartm: | dekarl: while not wishing to descend into stereotypes, it's the French thing to create their own community, especially when the working language of the existing community is English |
| [22:10:09] | stuartm: | stuarta: it's speed and 'clean' uncluttered layout is definitely a plus, I'd prefer it over github if only it had blame support (and maybe the option to switch to tags in addition to branches) |
| [22:11:43] | stuartm: | and syntax highlighting would be nice |
| [22:11:50] | dekarl: | stuartm: I have experienced the same, but there are notable exceptions (like the crowd around videolan or mumudvb) and our french community was passively open for cooperation, too. I just wanted to say when I approached them it worked out ok. |
| [22:11:59] | dekarl: | Let me try something with the template |
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| [22:15:09] | stuarta: | stuartm: is it worth exploring one of the other git web interfaces? |
| [22:17:16] | dekarl: | hmm, not sure if I like how it turned out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.27 |
| [22:19:12] | dekarl: | with just two small additional logos it would be nicer. I'm not sure if that can be done with mediawiki though (custom, per link, icon for external https links) |
| [22:20:36] | stuartm: | dekarl: maybe something could be done through a template instead? |
| [22:20:48] | stuartm: | oh, that is a template |
| [22:21:10] | dekarl: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Template:Git . . . ;oldid=59800 it is a template :D |
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| [22:22:16] | stuartm: | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project . . . witch_off%3F |
| [22:23:22] | stuartm: | I can make that change tomorrow if you don't have the appropriate access on the server |
| [22:23:54] | stuartm: | I'm planning to dive into the wiki css/templates anyway to see if I can make it use the same header as the main site and forum |
| [22:24:32] | dekarl: | ohh, so we can have "div#content a.external[href ^="https://github.com/"] {" with a small octocat instead? very cute |
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| [22:25:55] | dekarl: | hmm, could use the paw for trac and leave the padlock for cgit and make that the default |
| [22:26:13] | dekarl: | stuartm, I'll leave it as is for now |
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| [22:27:22] | stuartm: | heh |
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| [23:16:16] | stuarta: | you are joking? packet losses which aren't real? i'm not imagining the packet losses you morons |
| [23:21:05] | stuarta: | feck it, i'm off to bed |
| [23:25:00] | stuartm: | dekarl: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.27 |
| [23:25:42] | stuartm: | that's all I'm going to do tonight, we should nix the icon for the [] link and |
| [23:25:57] | stuartm: | maybe find a decent cgit icon or similar |
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| [23:30:09] | skd5aner: | WHOA... look at all the octocat icons!!! |
| [23:32:02] | stuartm: | he asked! |
| [23:32:17] | stuartm: | it's late, I'm off to bed |
| [23:36:16] | stuartm: | dekarl: actually, have an idea about making those links appear in a little drop down menu that appears when you mouse-over the commit hash, would be tidier |
| [23:36:42] | stuartm: | will give it a try tomorrow if I have time |
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