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| [04:14:05] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild: force build 0.27-freebsd-64bit now |
| [04:14:05] | MythBuild: | build #190 forced |
| [04:14:06] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [04:14:10] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild: force build 0.27-freebsd10–64bit now |
| [04:14:11] | MythBuild: | build #15 forced |
| [04:14:11] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [04:16:47] | MythBuild: | Hey! build 0.27-freebsd-64bit #190 is complete: Failure [4failed compile core] |
| [04:16:47] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/190 ** | |
| [04:16:48] | MythBuild: | Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.27 . . . t/builds/190 |
| [04:17:25] | wagnerrp: | why is that still failing... |
| [04:19:23] | MythBuild: | Hey! build 0.27-freebsd10–64bit #15 is complete: Failure [4failed compile core] |
| [04:19:23] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/15 ** | |
| [04:19:24] | MythBuild: | Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.27 . . . it/builds/15 |
| [04:20:14] | wagnerrp: | same spot |
| [04:20:21] | wagnerrp: | it makes even less sense that master builds |
| [04:28:45] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild: force build 0.27-freebsd-64bit now |
| [04:28:46] | MythBuild: | build #192 forced |
| [04:28:46] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
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| [04:35:26] | MythBuild: | Hey! build 0.27-freebsd-64bit #192 is complete: Failure [4failed compile core] |
| [04:35:26] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/192 ** | |
| [04:35:26] | MythBuild: | Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.27 . . . t/builds/192 |
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| [05:26:16] | wagnerrp: | anyone with better understand of configure than i know why 0.27 external/zeromq might be building without -fPIC |
| [05:26:48] | wagnerrp: | adding that flag to the makefile manually and rebuilding allows nzmqt to build successfully |
| [05:29:25] | wagnerrp: | it seems to acknowledge that PIC works, and then simply doesn't enable it |
| [05:29:39] | wagnerrp: | lt_cv_prog_compiler_pic_works=yes |
| [05:29:39] | wagnerrp: | lt_cv_prog_compiler_pic_works_CXX=yes |
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| [07:10:39] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: Have you tried "flushing the cache" (make distclean or similar) or running autogen.sh? There is a part where is compares the result from testing for working -fPIC to "the normal boilerplate" maybe its failing around there |
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| [09:00:15] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: when i was looking into it, the test for --enable-shared is failing, so it reverts to static |
| [09:05:33] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: manually run the zeromq configure without --quiet and you should see what i mean |
| [09:22:21] | peper03: | If anyone else can still reproduce #12052 with the patch attached to that ticket, I'd like to know how! |
| [09:22:21] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12052 ** | |
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| [09:45:29] | peper03: | nm. Seems you have to browse by something other than folder. |
| [09:46:19] | peper03: | *sigh* There are times when you wished you'd never bothered. |
| [09:46:34] | peper03: | wish |
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| [12:26:57] | wagnerrp: | this? checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... no |
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| [12:35:23] | dekarl: | hmm, thats "checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes" over here (an old 8-PRERELEASE) |
| [12:38:21] | wagnerrp: | 0.27 complains, 0.28 builds just fine... checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes |
| [12:38:44] | wagnerrp: | that's on (nearly) the same machine |
| [12:39:00] | wagnerrp: | clones of the same base image, with no changes between them |
| [12:39:01] | dekarl: | 0.28 has the result of me running autogen.sh and checking in the new files |
| [12:39:54] | dekarl: | that's why I suggested to try that and seeing if that changes anything before investing much time into debuging autotools |
| [12:40:21] | dekarl: | after all the build broke without related changes in the repository, suggesting that something on the build bot changed |
| [12:41:08] | dekarl: | last working: https://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.2 . . . t/builds/176 |
| [12:41:09] | dekarl: | first failing; https://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.2 . . . t/builds/177 |
| [12:43:13] | wagnerrp: | i did flush ccache to no avail, and have tried a separate system image |
| [12:43:21] | wagnerrp: | have not run autogen.sh |
| [12:43:49] | wagnerrp: | going to need more info on that |
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| [12:53:09] | dekarl: | I'm not sure how to run that with a buildbot. I'd just clone 0.27 into a scratch directory, cd to mythtv/mythtv/external/zeromq, run ./autogen.sh then run the usual ./configure && make |
| [12:54:04] | dekarl: | If I knew the tools better I'd ask for config.status/config.log but I'm not sure if I can make sense of that :/ |
| [12:59:50] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: yes, that's the symptom i found. i didn't get to the bottom of why that occurs though |
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| [16:11:57] | stuartm: | wish I'd proofread that email better |
| [16:12:21] | stuartm: | hey, there's another forum advantage, the ability to edit your post to correct typos and spelling mistakes |
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| [16:16:20] | wagnerrp_: | one could also make the argument that the ability to edit is a disadvantage\ |
| [16:19:41] | stuarta: | either way, it's an interesting experiment |
| [16:25:06] | stuartm: | wagnerrp_: you can't edit after someone has replied, so you can't 'change history' or anything like that |
| [16:26:17] | stuartm: | but it fixes the issue of having to post a followup correcting errors or adding that url you forgot to paste and only noticed was missing as you hit 'send' |
| [16:27:05] | stuartm: | because let's face it, we've all done that more than once, probably once a week or more on average if you send as many emails as I do |
| [16:30:10] | stuartm: | would be nice if you could opt-out of GA, a setting which worked across trac/wiki/forum/www which prevented the js even being included in the page – good project for a rainy day |
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| [16:31:13] | wagnerrp_: | GA? |
| [16:33:02] | jheizer_: | I'd say anyone that really cares is already blockig if via noscript or ad block |
| [16:33:09] | jheizer_: | GA = Google analytics |
| [16:33:23] | ** jheizer_ assumes in this case ** | |
| [16:41:33] | clever: | wagnerrp_: the disadvantage could be negated if the forum keeps history and lets people see what you changed |
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| [16:55:17] | dekarl: | stuartm, should we collect regressions somewhere to avoid disappointment in 0.27? like lost support for Freebox IPTV (which coincidently is the IPTV source that the recorder was added for) |
| [16:56:24] | dekarl: | https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11949#comment:24 |
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| [17:09:03] | stuartm: | dekarl: in the release notes on the wiki? |
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| [20:11:08] | stuartm: | oh ffs, why is my template broken :/ |
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| [20:48:28] | stuartm: | so I lost all the mythtv css specific changes to the forum, had to recreate it from memory, if anything stands out as different to before then please let me know |
| [20:48:42] | stuartm: | I'm sure I've not remember every change I originally made |
| [20:49:38] | jheizer_: | :( that sucks |
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| [20:50:56] | jheizer: | Ah, I had cached version at first. After a few refreshes it looks good |
| [20:51:53] | jheizer: | Nothing is jumping out at me. |
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| [20:54:15] | stuarta: | stuartm: that sucks :( |
| [20:55:32] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: Re: OpenID Worked? Yes, except that now I am unable to send or reply to PMs. "We are sorry, but you are not authorized to use this feature. You may have just registered here and may need to participate more to be able to use this feature." when I try to compose. |
| [20:56:43] | peper03: | stuartm: Which files were affected? I have print.css, openid.css, large.css, medium.css and normal.css in my cache (large, medium and normal are only one liners though) |
| [20:56:50] | stuartm: | gary_buhrmaster: wtf ... |
| [20:56:52] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: (there is no "reply" button on your PM to me.) |
| [20:58:14] | stuartm: | stuarta: turns out that any changes you made through the template/theme/css editor within the ACP are not written to the original file, only the database and can be wiped out when it rebuilds the database cache |
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| [20:58:38] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: indeed. |
| [20:58:47] | stuartm: | and it's not a permissions issue, it just doesn't seem to write that stuff at all – so basically never use the in-browse editor :) |
| [20:58:57] | stuartm: | gary_buhrmaster: ok, I'll look into that |
| [20:59:35] | stuartm: | peper03: none of those, it's the one served by style.php?id=5 |
| [20:59:51] | stuartm: | i.e. the one that probably won't get cached :/ |
| [21:00:23] | peper03: | Hang on, I've got something! |
| [21:00:39] | peper03: | ABout 70k? |
| [21:00:56] | stuartm: | stuarta: so my most recent template changes were also wiped out, though thankfully that seems to be confined to those news/download link fixes |
| [21:01:04] | stuartm: | peper03: could be |
| [21:02:15] | peper03: | Style name: MythTV, Modified by Stuart Morgan... |
| [21:02:29] | stuartm: | that would be the one |
| [21:03:07] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: Ah, I had noticed that the formatting kept changing on me, and I presumed it was because I kept purging cookies and flushing caches in an attempt to test the OpenID login. Or my memory was disappearing, or a brain aneurysm happening, in real time. Good to know it was real. |
| [21:03:34] | stuarta: | stuartm: that's pretty stupid then, if you make changes and it doesn't actually make them |
| [21:03:45] | stuarta: | so i probably wiped them when hitting rebuild earlier |
| [21:05:01] | peper03: | stuartm: On it's way by mail |
| [21:05:02] | stuartm: | stuarta: didn't notice a problem until I installed the anti-spam mod, so it was probably that |
| [21:05:11] | peper03: | ouch. s/it's/its/ |
| [21:05:33] | stuartm: | s/its/it's/ |
| [21:05:47] | peper03: | on it is way? |
| [21:05:49] | stuartm: | possessive |
| [21:06:07] | peper03: | "its" is the possesive of it. |
| [21:07:10] | stuartm: | you're right, sorry, tired and distracted :) |
| [21:08:03] | peper03: | np :) The cached file was from yesterday evening. If you've changed much since then, it won't be in. |
| [21:08:36] | stuartm: | one of those evenings where I could have done without the added excitement of these forum shenanigans |
| [21:08:56] | stuartm: | peper03: thanks, don't think I changed anything in the css since yesterday |
| [21:09:09] | stuartm: | should be a great help |
| [21:10:17] | stuartm: | stuarta: the anti-spam mod didn't merge cleanly, ~4 points it conflicted with changes from existing mods and I had to hand merge, hopefully successfully but time will tell |
| [21:11:42] | stuartm: | gary_buhrmaster: ok, so PM restrictions are in place for all newly registered users until they have made 3 posts – it's to prevent spammers signing up and spamming users through PMs |
| [21:12:18] | stuartm: | originally I'd disabled the 'newly register user' group, but re-enabled it once we'd finished the initial testing of the forum |
| [21:12:44] | stuartm: | I think we'll leave that restriction in place for now, since it seems prudent |
| [21:12:44] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: Ah, Ok. I guess that means I have to make a few more posts to the "Off Topic" board..... :-) |
| [21:13:51] | stuartm: | peper03: got it, thanks |
| [21:16:15] | peper03: | stuartm: Just found another copy on my phone from this morning – 71693 bytes compared to 71594. Just the question how to get it off the phone... |
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| [21:18:55] | stuartm: | well remarkably I managed to remember every single (relevant) change in the copy you sent |
| [21:19:22] | stuartm: | there was some stuff relating to the old header which was no longer required |
| [21:21:04] | peper03: | But that wouldn't make the newer file bigger, would it? |
| [21:21:59] | stuartm: | no, new file might contain something I haven't remembered, but whether or not it was important ... |
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| [21:22:43] | peper03: | Seems I can only save the page as a PDF... 'Share' button is greyed out |
| [21:25:56] | stuartm: | peper03: it's probably not worth the hassle, I wouldn't worry about it, if those extra few bytes contained anything important I'll notice it eventually |
| [21:26:33] | peper03: | I've just sent you the PDF. Better than nothing and most of it should be identical, I guess. |
| [21:27:17] | stuartm: | I'm not going to bother replying to Jay Ashworth's latest, he seems to be looking for a fight and I'm not interested |
| [21:29:11] | stuartm: | his point about people not getting help seems to miss the main point of the forum in the first place – many, maybe even most users don't want to use a mailing list to get support – so by only using mailing lists they are alienated |
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| [21:31:14] | stuartm: | to me the anger we're seeing in that thread seems to stem from the very arrogance he levelled against me, namely that users who don't like mailing lists don't deserve our support |
| [21:31:55] | stuarta: | yeah, it's far too over the to |
| [21:32:04] | stuarta: | top, and unneccessary |
| [21:32:52] | jheizer: | WOW @ latest replies. |
| [21:32:53] | peper03: | I'm still on the fence regarding mailing list/forum. I can see the pros and cons of both but there does seem to be a lot of indignant spluttering along the lines of 'how dare you'. |
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| [21:33:23] | stuartm: | or to summarise his position "I'm too cool for forums" |
| [21:33:36] | stuarta: | sigh, why is so much stuff on alcor not installed from packages |
| [21:33:50] | jheizer: | Myth is the only mailing list I am still on. All others are dissolved. |
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| [21:34:41] | stuartm: | stuarta: were I to guess, it's because at some point in the past CentOS didn't offer the right versions of stuff (which is precisely why you shouldn't use CentOS) |
| [21:37:06] | stuarta: | yep |
| [21:37:19] | MartinT: | not use centos... how dare you! |
| [21:37:28] | stuarta: | yes well..... |
| [21:37:45] | stuartm: | ok, I need to calm my nerves so I'm off to watch some recordings |
| [21:37:50] | stuarta: | it's a witch, burn it |
| [21:37:56] | stuarta: | stuartm: enjoy |
| [21:38:50] | MartinT: | I agree with the analysis that he's saying that people who don't know how to properly subscribe and manage a mailing list don't deserve support... |
| [21:40:12] | stuarta: | we can make it even harder to subscribe to the forum |
| [21:40:15] | stuarta: | :-) |
| [21:40:43] | MartinT: | I'm not a hardcore developer, I'm a tinkerer... and even after having used computers since the early 90's, mailing lists scare me, god knows what it's like for someone even more non-techy |
| [21:41:08] | peper03: | Is there a reason I get two emails for each ticket update? |
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| [21:41:51] | MartinT: | I bet he usually develops in Ruby... |
| [21:41:57] | stuartm: | there are a lot of 3rd party user support forums for MythTV that probably wouldn't have existed if we had created our own before now – so this division of labour thing he's talking about it already happening, and on a much larger scale |
| [21:42:19] | stuartm: | one of the goals of the forum is to bring all those users registered elsewhere under one roof |
| [21:42:27] | MartinT: | dresses in white, and has a beard longer than ZZ top |
| [21:42:27] | stuartm: | yes ... I'm really going now ;) |
| [21:43:17] | MartinT: | as I said, 1 for the pro column... people like him won't transfer to the forum ;) |
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| [21:54:40] | ** MartinT really wants to poke the bear on the -dev mailing list... ** | |
| [21:55:37] | MartinT: | is it possible to see how much contribution that guy has given? or is he just trolling... |
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| [22:01:07] | dekarl: | peper03: via the -commits list and because you are subscribed to it personally? |
| [22:01:39] | dekarl: | but that would be only some tickets (the ones that you opened or commented on) |
| [22:03:23] | peper03: | dekarl: I think maybe because trac identifies me with my mythtv.org address but my normal address was saved in Preferences. I've changed that now and it seems to have fixed it. |
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| [22:06:40] | MartinT: | stuartm: the reason the forum will have been appearing on google is that they scrap e-mails for links to sites... then indexes them... many of us probably use gmail, therefore the message to -dev will have made google index it.. |
| [22:07:57] | stuarta: | MartinT: there's plenty of reasons, it's linked from the headers of www.mythtv.org for one |
| [22:08:25] | MartinT: | there is a pretty famous story around about some site's /admin area getting indexed and sensitive information be retrieved, as they sent a link using Opera's caching mode (which uses cookieless session), then google indexed it using that person's session... |
| [22:08:46] | MartinT: | stuarta: I thought it wasn't yesterday... just catching up on the logs... |
| [22:12:40] | neufeld: | MartinT: how about this story? http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Spider_of_Doom.aspx |
| [22:14:24] | stuarta: | wtf indeed |
| [22:15:27] | MartinT: | yeah, heard about that one too... that's why most of the time a POST is required to edit/delete in cms's... |
| [22:15:42] | MartinT: | good bots only do GET... |
| [22:16:01] | MartinT: | there is a special place in hell for bad bots |
| [22:16:21] | MartinT: | the joys of web development... |
| [22:17:57] | MartinT: | I'm wondering how long it will be until someone's entire recorded TV collection is erased as they expose their WebFrontend to the internet... |
| [22:18:47] | MartinT: | BUG: Google Bot deleted my TV... |
| [22:20:59] | MartinT: | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19188717/h . . . -a-users-ses |
| [22:21:17] | MartinT: | that's a more recent description of what happened with gmail's scraping... |
| [22:21:54] | MartinT: | yet another reason to move away from gmail... not that I will though... |
| [22:25:33] | MartinT: | who maintains this irc log bot? |
| [22:25:34] | MartinT: | http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2014-02-08 |
| [22:25:47] | MartinT: | seems something isn't quite well... |
| [22:28:06] | stuarta: | hmmm |
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| [22:52:03] | dekarl: | MartinT: https://github.com/Beirdo/beirdobot/ |
| [22:54:12] | MartinT: | was looking for who is running it, and whether there is something seriously wrong or not... |
| [23:08:47] | dekarl: | it is running on alcor and I've seen the issue with character encoding/escaping for years, so its not new |
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| [23:09:31] | dekarl: | fixing some bugs in the bot is on my list (but its way down). e.g. handling of #12345? |
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