| Sunday, February 9th, 2014, 00:09 UTC | ||
| [00:09:14] | stuartm: | with this forum business done I might finally get back to working on the code again |
| [00:12:01] | stuartm: | paul-h: great work on the storage group support btw |
| [00:13:18] | stuartm: | heh, google has already found the forum, yet we've not actually linked it from the site yet |
| [00:13:30] | paul-h: | thanks taking a lot longer than I thought but it's getting there :) |
| [00:13:37] | stuartm: | - 1x yet |
| [00:13:43] | wagnerrp: | it probably picked up the link from the mailing list or irc logs |
| [00:14:39] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: aye, still pretty quick, I remember when it would take weeks for any search engine bot to start spidering new stuff |
| [00:18:13] | stuartm: | jpharvey: having problems with your forum registration? |
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| [00:35:33] | wagnerrp: | is it possible we're getting some sort of locking issue like we have with trac? |
| [00:35:50] | wagnerrp: | one instance is waiting until the previous is finished in the database before polling? |
| [00:37:10] | stuartm: | maybe, it's late though, stuarta isn't around and I'm calling it a night |
| [00:37:49] | stuartm: | this is the sort of thing we want to discover before announcing it to a wider audience |
| [00:37:54] | wagnerrp: | ok, i just pulled up top while it was stalled out, and there was no significant load |
| [00:38:09] | wagnerrp: | usually means locking issues |
| [00:38:27] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: forum is actually on stuarta's server, not alcor |
| [00:38:36] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind then |
| [00:38:40] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [00:38:56] | stuartm: | although same deal for that, no load |
| [00:39:27] | wagnerrp: | i know python has its global instance lock, but i didn't think php/apache had anything of the sort |
| [00:39:35] | wagnerrp: | especially since everything is being run in separate processes |
| [00:41:01] | stuartm: | possible the configs need tweaks for performance, we're using fcgid+nginx |
| [00:44:33] | stuartm: | and the setup is possibly causing some unusual issues, since all the requests are being proxied through to a second server, part of stuarta's grand plan to let us farm out different parts of the site to different places and allow automatic fallback to clones if one or more backend server keels over |
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| [01:03:28] | MythBuild: | build #76 of master-freebsd10–64bit is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . it/builds/76 blamelist: Paul Harrison <pharrison@mythtv.org > |
| [01:03:37] | ** wagnerrp grumbles ** | |
| [01:05:00] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild: force build master-freebsd10–64bit now |
| [01:05:01] | MythBuild: | build forced [ETA 8m23s] |
| [01:05:01] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [01:05:04] | MythBuild: | Hey! build master-freebsd10–64bit #77 is complete: Failure [4failed git] |
| [01:05:04] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/77 ** | |
| [01:05:04] | MythBuild: | Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . it/builds/77 |
| [01:05:50] | ** wagnerrp grumbles some more ** | |
| [01:05:51] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild: force build master-freebsd10–64bit now |
| [01:05:51] | MythBuild: | build forced [ETA 8m23s] |
| [01:05:52] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
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| [01:43:04] | MythBuild: | build #78 of master-freebsd10–64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . it/builds/78 |
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| [01:53:33] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I'm sure google found it from people using chrome, probably autoreports too googlebot |
| [01:54:56] | skd5aner: | grr... *to |
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| [03:12:57] | knightr: | ok so I guess somebody decided that kenn i and I are not developers but only translators... |
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| [05:22:45] | wagnerrp: | are we supporting mariadb yet? |
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| [10:05:19] | dekarl: | only one repo left on https://code.mythtv.org/cgit/ :/ |
| [10:08:46] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: "supporting" in the "it works" sense => I think so as its drop in and already reported to Smolt. But "supporting" as in providing official support => I don't know |
| [10:11:13] | dekarl: | nvm, I though the two "MySQL version 10.0" were MariaDB. But the have 5.x number on their site |
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| [10:13:12] | dekarl: | but some devs already run on MariaDB according to http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /348218.html |
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| [11:15:19] | paul-h: | sturar |
| [11:15:58] | paul-h: | stuartm: do you see any problem moving the tag writing into the BE |
| [11:16:57] | paul-h: | At the moment I have mythutil doing the actual writing but I was thinking of moving it into the BE to remove one layer of code |
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| [11:17:40] | stuartm: | paul-h: no, I can't think of anything to prevent it |
| [11:18:17] | paul-h: | My only concern would be we are trusting taglib to be stable and not crash the BE but I can't say I have ever had a problem with taglib |
| [11:18:22] | stuartm: | might make the 'import' code more interesting, since it needs to move the file to the backend and only then update the tag |
| [11:18:48] | stuartm: | we've never had a single crash reported involving taglib that I can remember |
| [11:19:13] | stuartm: | I consider it to be rock solid |
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| [11:22:40] | knightr: | stuartm, in case you had not received it, this was my translation: http://pastebin.com/Z7qxafj0 |
| [11:23:26] | knightr: | and if you are looking for mods and did not get this message, I could for translations, Canada and France (since I speak the language) |
| [11:23:28] | stuartm: | knightr: I received it, thanks, thought I'd already applied it but maybe not ... |
| [11:23:34] | knightr: | ttyl |
| [11:23:39] | knightr: | okie dokie, thank you... |
| [11:24:49] | paul-h: | There is one easy way to get the FE to freeze for 30 seconds and that is send a mythproto command to the BE with the wrong number of parameters |
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| [11:26:14] | paul-h: | For some reason the BE doesn't send a reply in that case and the FE sits there waiting for a reply and them freaks out thinking it's lost the connection so you then get the lost connection notifications |
| [11:28:56] | paul-h: | Wonder why the BE doesn't reply with an error in that case to prevent this? |
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| [12:10:44] | stuartm: | handling errors didn't seem to be a high priority when the protocol was first written and since then most additions have be copy/pastes, would be good if someone spent a little time on improving the safety and error handling of the protocol |
| [12:12:31] | stuartm: | the services API is much better in that respect – invalid or missing parameters are checked before anything else happens, and errors are sent back to the client |
| [12:14:05] | stuartm: | in many cases we check the number of parameters in the internal protocol, but don't actually validate them before use |
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| [12:47:57] | stuartm: | we need a language independent captcha, current one uses the latin alphabet even if your browser language is non-latin based e.g. Arabic, Chinese or Japanese |
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| [13:16:10] | stichnot: | Nowadays captchas always take me at least 3 tries to get right, and I suspect I'm part of some captcha-solving zombie spamnet |
| [13:21:46] | stuartm: | yeah, don't like the current one, looking at alternatives – http://www.peoplesign.com or https://www.keycaptcha.com/products/ use easier image-based solutions but translation support is limited |
| [13:22:08] | stuartm: | 11 languages for the first, can't find translation details on the second |
| [13:36:46] | peper03: | Ok, it would appear that my crashes were due to some weird shared object mismatch. Seems that make distclean doesn't always remove everything (or I'd somehow messed things up enough that it couldn't cope). |
| [13:39:48] | peper03: | Looks like there may be a small problem with the python bindings ignoring the 'prefix' variable. Running make uninstall gives me 'error: /usr/bin/mythpython: Permission denied'. |
| [13:40:05] | SteveGoodey: | Great, I failed the peoplesign one first couple of tries! Stupid brain. |
| [13:40:09] | peper03: | It shouldn't be trying to delete anything under /usr/bin/... |
| [13:47:39] | paul-h: | Anbody know if it is safe to call gCoreContext->SendReceiveStringList() from a thread other than the GUI thread? |
| [13:52:13] | stuartm: | SteveGoodey: heh |
| [13:54:57] | SteveGoodey: | Trouble is with sweat shops being used to get past captcha. I've thought a possible way is to use a question related to mythtv, for example who started mythtv? |
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| [13:56:09] | stuartm: | paul-h: yes I believe it should be, it actually warns (in debug) if you call it from the GUI thread since it's not a constant time operation and can cause pauses in the UI |
| [13:57:02] | stuartm: | SteveGoodey: thought about that, but a) We'd need to get it translated into several different languages b) A newbie is probably coming to the forum because they don't know these things |
| [13:57:44] | stuartm: | can't even assume that the user is able to input latin-1 characters easily |
| [13:59:02] | SteveGoodey: | I know wagnerrp seems reluctant to lockdown the wiki too much, just have to realise you'll never stop all the spam and just live with it. |
| [14:00:18] | stuartm: | I like keycaptcha best, it doesn't really need any explanation, it's not free if you want the good version, but it's only $24 a year |
| [14:01:55] | stuartm: | SteveGoodey: point is that we need a captcha, but the one we've got now isn't solvable for some of the world's population meaning they are locked out for the lack of a qwerty keyboard |
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| [14:09:11] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: So ideally one keycaptcha for the forum and one for the wiki? |
| [14:10:00] | stuartm: | maybe :) |
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| [14:13:38] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: I wouldn't mind paying for that, giving something back. Interested? |
| [14:25:19] | stuartm: | SteveGoodey: yeah definitely, I should run it past the others first though :) |
| [14:33:11] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: NP. |
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| [15:25:03] | wagnerrp: | SteveGoodey: it's not so much that. i was reluctant to use any sort of blocking software not integrated with mediawiki |
| [15:33:53] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: i'm still running mysql 5.1 on freebsd 8, or maybe 7 |
| [15:34:15] | wagnerrp: | figured if i'm going to upgrade everything else, may as well do that too, and make the jump while i'm at it |
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| [16:13:41] | stuartm: | registered with the keycaptcha site to see if I could learn more about their terms (e.g. does a single license allow you to use it on mulitple subdomains of a site, or just one) but it's refusing to let me login, keeps bouncing me back to the login page :/ |
| [16:15:12] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: Failing their captcha? |
| [16:15:45] | stuartm: | heh, that would be ironic |
| [16:16:28] | stuartm: | but no, there's no captcha when logging in, just when registering |
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| [17:22:56] | wagnerrp: | apparently the bar along the top of the forum is broken |
| [17:23:37] | wagnerrp: | perhaps it's because "firefox has blocked content that isn't secure" |
| [17:25:45] | wagnerrp: | i'm guessing it's refusing to pull in the CSS file or something |
| [17:26:23] | peper03: | Anyone see any problems with http://pastebin.com/jSerYTPZ ? I noticed valgrind pumping out a load of 'Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)' messages. |
| [17:27:19] | peper03: | The existing code isn't going to crash or anything, but the first reading will probably be off (not that anyone's likely to see it), and this at least reduces the noise from valgrind. |
| [17:30:27] | wagnerrp: | stuartm/stuarta: yeah, having it pull the css from https://... fixes it |
| [17:30:47] | wagnerrp: | firefox doesn't seem to like mixing http and https content |
| [17:36:24] | stuartm: | oops, yeah |
| [17:36:35] | stuartm: | few browsers like mixing content |
| [17:37:46] | stuartm: | fixed |
| [17:38:06] | stuartm: | just need to fix the font size at the top there :/ |
| [17:40:57] | skd5aner: | nice hearder/menu bar |
| [17:42:55] | skd5aner: | hmmm, the fonts just got much bigger across the page |
| [17:43:24] | skd5aner: | like the "zoom" feature was enabled |
| [17:44:43] | skd5aner: | hmm, back to nromal after clearing cache |
| [17:45:13] | stuartm: | skd5aner: was tweaking the css, should be back to normal (except the search box, which I'm fixing atm) |
| [17:45:34] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I figured that was the case :) |
| [17:46:17] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I assume anything will break/change at any given moment – heh – I see you implemented that "Social Logins" mod. |
| [17:47:17] | skd5aner: | ironically, facebook connect isn't an option in the mod? |
| [17:47:55] | stuartm: | skd5aner: it is, just disabled atm |
| [17:48:06] | stuartm: | needs a facebook api key |
| [17:48:10] | skd5aner: | ah |
| [17:49:55] | skd5aner: | I've got a couple laying around, but wouldn't do you much good :D |
| [17:50:48] | stuartm: | ironically you need a facebook account to get a key – not something I have or want, but I think stuarta might have an account now |
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| [18:17:02] | jpabq: | peper03: that looks fine to me. Certianly should not hurt anything. |
| [18:18:29] | stuartm: | peper03: ditto, that's good practice |
| [18:37:10] | peper03: | jpabq, stuartm: Ok, thanks. |
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| [19:39:34] | peper03: | stuartm: Is it as simple as http://pastebin.com/CRgVup45 for #12052 ? |
| [19:39:34] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12052 ** | |
| [19:44:04] | stuartm: | peper03: don't know that code too well, but instinctively I'd say yes that fix seems to make sense |
| [19:45:12] | peper03: | stuartm: Ok, thanks. That file doesn't seem to be 'owned' by anyone in particular but your name came up most often in recent changes :) |
| [19:45:15] | stuartm: | although the cache really shouldn't need to be invalidated in it's entirety, but maybe that's a wider design flaw, as I said, I don't know that code well |
| [19:47:21] | peper03: | stuartm: There's no current method to remove a single entry from the tree list. The code already tries to repopulate the list (via refreshList) but because the type hasn't changed, it does nothing and so leaves the old, invalid entry in. |
| [19:48:22] | stuartm: | yeah, bad design then, but no need to start a refactor to fix one bug :) |
| [19:49:38] | peper03: | Yeah. Looking at that code for the first time really doesn't make me want to start refactoring anything. All the encapsulation and indirection makes it hard to follow. |
| [19:50:31] | stuartm: | peper03: I once eliminated most of that when I ported it to mythui, it was then re-added for reasons I'll never understand |
| [19:50:43] | stuartm: | it does make it very difficult to follow and maintain |
| [19:51:19] | stuartm: | it should really be refactored at some point for performance and to improve readability, but there are much higher priorities |
| [19:52:21] | peper03: | Yeah, it's not a good idea to refactor code you don't understand but if it (generally) works, there's not a huge incentive to inflict the learning process on yourself :) |
| [20:05:45] | stuartm: | peper03: thanks for fixing that one :) |
| [20:06:46] | peper03: | stuartm: NP. |
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| [20:35:05] | gnac: | Is there a preference to use "high quality" or "opengl high quality" in the frontend playback settings? Both seem to work fine with the hd test file. |
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| [20:37:32] | stuartm: | go with opengl, you get a much better looking OSD |
| [20:38:20] | stuartm: | Xv, the other option, it really old and limited technology that may eventually be dropped from future releases |
| [20:39:45] | stuartm: | if using an nvidia graphics card or current generation AMD card, then you can use vdpau instead which is even better (hardware decoding) |
| [20:39:58] | stuarta: | evening all |
| [20:40:28] | peper03: | Evening |
| [20:40:43] | gnac: | ty stuart. I am using intel. |
| [20:41:10] | gnac: | it seems that although the video works in the test file, the tv output is choppy on opengl. |
| [20:42:00] | gnac: | high quality is giving me some weird audio effect, i.e. switching between left and right. may not be related to display quality though. |
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| [21:55:57] | peper03: | Ok, one last valgrind find for today – http://pastebin.com/kKdgy3xe – Make sure programflags is initialised in ProgramInfo. |
| [21:57:40] | gnac: | Question: is there some setting I should be aware of when using mythfrontend as an xsession? |
| [21:58:17] | gnac: | playnig recorded video works fine when running under kde, but when logging directly into it, video playback is choppy/skips. |
| [22:05:07] | peper03: | gnac: Running without a window manager is not recommended. I'm not aware of playback issues if no window manager is used, but it's not really my area of expertise. You may well do better in #mythtv-users |
| [22:07:10] | gnac: | peper03: ok, i did not know that. thanks. |
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| [22:09:10] | dekarl: | gnac: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Window_Managers has some examples amd http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . _only_box.3F |
| [22:09:27] | stuartm: | if someone can figure out the exact bit of JS that is causing the page to jump to the openid login options when visiting forum.mythtv.org in Chromium, please let me know |
| [22:10:05] | stuartm: | it's f'ing annoying behaviour |
| [22:10:18] | stuartm: | it's somewhere in the openid js lib |
| [22:11:16] | gnac: | dekarl: ty |
| [22:18:29] | stuartm: | nm, found it |
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| [22:24:23] | ** stuarta hits things ** | |
| [22:37:50] | stuartm: | with the amount of things I've tweaked, might want to stick the entire forum in the www repo |
| [22:38:21] | stuartm: | losing all those code/template/js changes would be a pain |
| [22:41:31] | stuarta: | go for it |
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| [22:41:33] | skd5aner: | that's probably a good idea – just censor the config file first :) |
| [22:42:27] | skd5aner: | stuart(s) – don't forget to backup the database somewhere too |
| [22:42:56] | stuartm: | don't think the www repo is public, but yeah, would omit the config :) |
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| [23:00:26] | stuartm: | when I find the time, I'll see about apply that header to code.mythtv.org and the wiki |
| [23:01:50] | stuartm: | it would be better though if there was a way of re-using the same one, maybe some auto replication across sites |
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