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| [09:03:54] | stuartm: | yes, both language and country were switched to global, it was unlikely that a user had their backend in a different country to their frontend ;) |
| [09:04:47] | stuartm: | but more to the point, we only asked for language/country on the frontend, meaning that the backend didn't have access to that information but needed it for metadata etc |
| [09:20:03] | stuartm: | sphery: you've not yet registered on the forum? |
| [09:21:39] | stuartm: | xris, taylorr, stichnot, knightr: https://forum.mythtv.org |
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| [10:57:24] | dekarl: | stuartm, btw is it singular (the hostname, and "open public space in the middle of the city") or plural (the title, and headline) because we count "subforums". I like the "central community hub" |
| [10:58:17] | dekarl: | also its called "board index" but contains "public/developer forums". So can we call the whole "forum" and each part "board"? |
| [10:59:30] | dekarl: | or just remove the "forum" from the tree, "General Forums" becomes "General Discussion" (or similar) instead of "General Boards" |
| [11:00:16] | dekarl: | similar to how its already done for the platform specific topics |
| [11:04:04] | stuartm: | technically the plural of forum is fora |
| [11:04:25] | stuartm: | latin ... |
| [11:08:09] | peper03: | Although would anyone actually use 'fora'? |
| [11:10:15] | stuartm: | not outside academia, it may be incorrect but forums is much more widely used, it's become the de-facto plural |
| [11:10:44] | stuartm: | (yet more latin) |
| [11:11:20] | peper03: | Exactly. There are some words that still use the Latin plural, but not forum in everyday usage. |
| [11:11:56] | peper03: | I'm sticking with 'indices' though :) |
| [11:13:33] | stuartm: | in fact, the Oxford Dictionary Of English (a less formal version than the OED) lists 'forums' as the plural now |
| [11:20:01] | peper03: | Language is a complicated thing. Especially when you've got a mongrel like English that's got bits of everything in it, some adapted to English rules and some using the source language's rules. |
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| [11:23:42] | stuartm: | aye |
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| [13:01:29] | stichnot: | stuartm: thanks, I'm in... |
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| [13:13:03] | stuartm: | stichnot: added you to the developer group |
| [13:13:10] | stichnot: | cool, thanks |
| [13:14:30] | stichnot: | My lack of ICQ number, AOL Instant Messenger, etc. make me feel so inadequate |
| [13:15:34] | stuartm: | heh, I didn't think ICQ was still around |
| [13:16:22] | stuartm: | wonder if my account is still there, haven't used it for years and years |
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| [13:17:41] | stuartm: | hmm, wouldn't matter anyway, no longer have the email address associated with it, so can't recover it |
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| [13:34:54] | kenni: | stuartm: Nice work on the forum :) |
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| [13:35:55] | stuartm: | + stuarta |
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| [13:39:01] | kenni__: | Sorry, and stuarta :) |
| [13:39:18] | kenni__: | stuartm: Danish translation – http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7Cdhk9m9 |
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| [13:40:18] | stuartm: | tak |
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| [13:40:46] | stuartm: | kenni__: if you notice any other untranslated stuff let me know |
| [13:41:01] | kenni__: | will do |
| [13:41:27] | stuartm: | looking for plugins that will let us translate forum and group names |
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| [13:43:51] | peper03: | Anyone got any ideas how a QList::const_interator can return three items from a QList of size 2? The last item is invalid (it dereferences to 0x35). I can only think of some sort of multi-threading problem but don't see any evidence of that in the source code. |
| [13:45:12] | peper03: | Unless the list is being passed around somewhere that's stopping me finding all the uses. |
| [13:48:42] | natanojl: | peper03: Are you sure you're not dereferencing end()? |
| [13:52:44] | peper03: | natanojl: This is the code that is causing the problem: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . rch.cpp#L196 |
| [13:53:14] | peper03: | It's causing MythFrontend to crash at start-up (but not always). |
| [13:54:30] | natanojl: | peper03: Ok, looks fine :( |
| [13:56:44] | neufeld: | peper03: have you tried valgrind? |
| [13:59:05] | peper03: | neufeld: No, not yet. Can't seem to reproduce it now. The last hour or so has been no problem. Now all of a sudden it's working fine every time :( |
| [13:59:54] | neufeld: | that does sound like a race, and it's always painful when those are in container objects because it's a lot more tricky getting a hardware watchpoint set on them |
| [14:04:26] | peper03: | I added some printfs to try to get some information without altering the timing too much. printfs in the constructor and destructor of UPnpService show two objects being created, and none being destructed. The dereferenced iterators had the same addresses too, except for the third time round, which shouldn't happen anyway. |
| [14:06:23] | peper03: | The fact that that iterator didn't dereference to a valid address makes me suspicious. If an entry had been freed and accessed before being removed from the list, it should at least give a valid address. |
| [14:07:53] | peper03: | And I can only find two places where anything is added to the list, and both are directly creating a UPnpService object. |
| [14:16:19] | neufeld: | peper03: so then we get back to something stepping off the end of its storage and clobbering yours. Turn on memory fencing in malloc and see if that shows anything? |
| [14:17:18] | dekarl: | hmm, scummvm has links between blog/website, wiki, forum, and development tools. Can we get the wiki/trac style close to the website/forum style and add links between them so its easy for contributors to switch between guides on the wiki and talking about them on the forum, etc? |
| [14:17:45] | dekarl: | At the moment there's no link from the forum to the wiki/trac |
| [14:18:46] | ** neufeld heads AFK to work on breakfast, I'll check in some time later today ** | |
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| [14:28:39] | stuartm: | dekarl: we can certainly try |
| [15:20:23] | knightr: | stuartm, http://pastebin.com/Z7qxafj0 |
| [15:21:01] | knightr: | I would have made the number of countries configurable but I guess we have no control over this... |
| [15:22:34] | knightr: | I would not be able check the forums much during the day but I could moderate whenever I have spare time... |
| [15:26:21] | knightr: | stuartm, Translation, Canada and France (since I speak the same language as them) |
| [15:27:30] | stuartm: | knightr: thanks |
| [15:27:38] | knightr: | nici o problema... |
| [15:27:57] | stuartm: | knightr: the number of countries, as in the 'top 5' bit? |
| [15:28:10] | stuartm: | we _could_ modify the code |
| [15:28:17] | knightr: | yep, I would have thought that could be configurable... |
| [15:28:33] | knightr: | nah, not worth it is it means having to modify to suit our need... |
| [15:28:50] | knightr: | it is just weird that they did not make it configurable... |
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| [15:29:11] | stuartm: | not by default, it's a mod anyway, so it's not going to cause any more work when upgrading |
| [15:30:11] | knightr: | ah, I see... |
| [15:31:07] | stuartm: | could put in a request, but it looks like in the past the mod author has responded with patches rather to feature requests instead of updating the mod – http://www.rmcgirr83.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2474 |
| [15:31:49] | stuartm: | added the mod because it's useful to know where people are from when answering their questions |
| [15:42:20] | skd5aner: | yea, just make sure you always use the mod functionality when changing code, or else upgrading is a HUGE pain... |
| [15:42:48] | knightr: | ah, I see... |
| [15:43:08] | knightr: | are we already created or can I create myself? |
| [15:43:21] | knightr: | (ie a new user) |
| [15:43:35] | skd5aner: | you can register your own account |
| [15:43:47] | skd5aner: | one of the stuarts will add you to the dev group once you've registered |
| [15:44:52] | knightr: | thank you skd5aner... |
| [15:49:23] | stuartm: | anyone know where ΕλλάδÎ&plusm n; should appear in the forum list (alphabetical)? |
| [15:51:22] | peper03: | Under 'E'? According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet Epsilon is the fifth letter of the Greek alphabet too. |
| [15:51:58] | skd5aner: | stuartm: what does "Americanized by Maël Soucaze." mean at the bottom? I've not seen that on a phpBB forum before |
| [15:52:20] | caelor: | I suspect you're happy with the number of mods at present, but if you find yourself needing additional mods, I'm happy to raise my hand. |
| [15:52:41] | neufeld: | For language ordering, how about reading down the side of wikipedia's other languages list? At least most people will expect to know that ordering |
| [15:58:53] | skd5aner: | stuartm: it appears mods don't have the ability to "sticky" a thread. Not that I was trying to, I was just spot checking for functionality. |
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| [16:02:56] | stuartm: | skd5aner: will fix |
| [16:03:17] | skd5aner: | looks like the American english pack puts that tagline in the footer |
| [16:03:25] | stuartm: | skd5aner: dunno, maybe the name of the American translator? |
| [16:03:31] | skd5aner: | funny how when you go to that guy's site, he's French :) |
| [16:03:31] | stuartm: | don't see it here |
| [16:04:23] | skd5aner: | stuartm: might be your cache... google told me this is why it's there: https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2217291 |
| [16:19:54] | peper03: | Ok, I can't reproduce the crash at startup but valgrind *is* reporting errors when I exit MythFrontend – http://pastebin.com/XUSSn5Zh |
| [16:20:50] | stuartm: | skd5aner: I'm using the default British English |
| [16:21:16] | peper03: | The non-valgrind lines are printfs from me. UPnpDeviceDesc::~UPnpDeviceDesc is being called twice on the same global instance, but why? |
| [16:22:23] | stuartm: | skd5aner: when I say default, that's misleading, since we're using a mod that auto-selects the users language based on their browser LANG, so the default will be different for everyone – but stock phpbb3 uses British English since it's the one used in most countries |
| [16:24:57] | wagnerrp: | unless you expect to serve India, wouldn't American English be a better choice in terms of population? |
| [16:25:36] | wagnerrp: | it's "center"... :P |
| [16:25:57] | wagnerrp: | a centre is someone who stands guard |
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| [17:44:13] | stuartm: | we're using "center' |
| [17:45:11] | stuartm: | although the forum currently has more people from countries which using the "centre" spelling |
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| [18:07:32] | wagnerrp: | i know, and there's a comical discussion going on about that in the forum |
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| [18:15:47] | paul-h: | Seems to be positively received so far :) |
| [18:16:13] | paul-h: | I think we have more mod and devs than users at the moment |
| [18:19:27] | wagnerrp: | well it has only been advertised in this channel |
| [18:19:31] | wagnerrp: | that's to be expected |
| [18:22:53] | paul-h: | Yeah I know that – Stuart did announce it on the dev list as well earlier today |
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| [18:48:08] | stuartm: | unveiling it slowly so that signup rates are controlled and we can fix any bugs, or tweak configs without affecting too many people |
| [18:49:07] | stuartm: | e.g. we've had a request to install a mod which allows signup using openid, if we do that it would be better done before too many people who might wish to benefit have already created accounts |
| [18:50:22] | clever: | biggest problem ive had with openid is when noobs dont understand it and make 3 seperate accounts |
| [18:50:28] | clever: | then wonder why they cant access stuff |
| [18:50:36] | neufeld: | peper03: OK, so I agree with your assessment, there's static duration QList<UPnpDevice*> that is getting destroyed twice during the exit handlers. Once directly, and once because libmythupnp destroyed it during its own shutdown. Did you register the container with that library? |
| [18:52:10] | neufeld: | peper03: if you build libmythupnp with debugging symbols and put a breakpoint on the destructor UPnpDeviceDesc::~UPnpDeviceDesc(), maybe the backtrace will show you what's up. But that explains error at shutdown, it doesn't explain why you had a race condition with the list, where you were reading it while another thread was actively modifying the list structure. |
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| [19:27:19] | xris: | stuartm: forum, cool. hope it helps get more users. |
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| [19:34:41] | xris: | stuartm: btw you'll REALLY want to monitor new users to the forum.. hand-approve them. SD gets an incredible number of robot registrations — phpbb is apparently pretty easy to brute force login creations into |
| [19:37:26] | xris: | anyway, I registered. |
| [19:37:35] | xris: | need to figure out how to get more time to get back into doing mythtv stuff |
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| [20:19:46] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: should we have some kind of category for external developers? |
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| [20:32:55] | dekarl: | stuartm: wagnerrp: that might be good to group third party (client) developers. |
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| [20:34:18] | wagnerrp: | i'm also thinking for distribution developers |
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| [20:37:58] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yeah we should have something, not sure whether an entire category with forums for each or a general 'Third party' forum |
| [20:39:14] | stuartm: | also not sure if we should have a dedicated 'services api' forum – would appreciate other people's thoughts on those |
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| [20:56:16] | AnthonyUK: | I got my Peak DVB-T dual tuner finally working, unfortunatlyI got my PeakHardware PCI DVB-T dual tuner finally working, But no matter what it will never be stable “ |
| [20:56:16] | AnthonyUK: | {Afatech AF9015}Unfortunately, tuner devices build on these chips are known to be unstable demanding frequent cold boots.” So I'm looking at getting Hauppauge Nova-T 500 PCI Dual tuner off of ebay just to save me grief getting it running in linux unless you guys know of other dual tuner pci cards that are fully stable in mythtv. |
| [20:56:47] | AnthonyUK: | I have checked these sites. http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_novafw.php |
| [20:56:59] | AnthonyUK: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards |
| [20:57:04] | AnthonyUK: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards |
| [20:57:59] | AnthonyUK: | not sure i trust all the cards in them lists though as my non stable peak hardware and other brand name variants are listed in there |
| [20:58:45] | AnthonyUK: | guess what im looking for is a list of pci dual tuner cards you wished every nooby had lol |
| [20:59:25] | AnthonyUK: | my old peak hardware dual tuner can either go in my mums windows pc or on ebay |
| [21:00:19] | xris: | AnthonyUK: I'm guessing you want #mythtv-users |
| [21:00:29] | wagnerrp: | or maybe #linuxtv |
| [21:00:50] | AnthonyUK: | just thought you guys would know best |
| [21:01:27] | AnthonyUK: | before I go i got one more question. |
| [21:01:29] | wagnerrp: | we just use tuners. we don't develop or support the drivers |
| [21:01:36] | AnthonyUK: | k |
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| [21:03:03] | AnthonyUK: | I already think I know the answer to this but I got to confirm it first, if I get one hd tuner that can recieve 5 hd channels as they are all on same multiplex? |
| [21:03:37] | wagnerrp: | you can receive the entire multiplex (in theory). mythtv soft limits it to five channels on one multiplex |
| [21:04:03] | AnthonyUK: | so i guess the only limit after that is hdd write speed or cpu or somet? |
| [21:04:41] | AnthonyUK: | One day I'll learn to bypass and recompile the 5 tuner limit but i got other things to learn first :P |
| [21:04:45] | wagnerrp: | hardware filter throughput on the tuner card, bus interface throughput on the tuner card, increasing load on mythtv's scheduler |
| [21:05:08] | wagnerrp: | five was just a sensible limit |
| [21:05:28] | AnthonyUK: | realistically how many hd channels could you record simultaneously |
| [21:05:44] | wagnerrp: | depends on your hardware |
| [21:06:24] | wagnerrp: | nicer cards can handle the whole stream, cheaper cards get flakey, very cheap cards avoid a hardware filter entirely and just do it all in software, meaning you're always handling the whole stream |
| [21:07:45] | AnthonyUK: | after my peakhardware venture, id rather get the "right" cards first time, my PCI Nova-T single tuner works very nice, and I got a 2nd one off of ebay |
| [21:08:00] | AnthonyUK: | if I had 5 pci slots id buy 3 more of them for peanuts |
| [21:09:54] | stuartm: | the limits for most people are actually the number of channels airing something worth recording at the same time, based on that criteria 5 is usually more than enough ;) |
| [21:10:27] | AnthonyUK: | well right now I have moved off of mythbuntu about a week ago and with 2 tuners my backend is purring nicely, my progress so far has been alot down to help off you guys |
| [21:11:09] | AnthonyUK: | i thought id get 5 that way i cover all the standard def multiplexes in my area of the UK |
| [21:11:10] | stuartm: | if you spread the load across disks, don't put your database on the same physical drive that you're recording to and don't have a rubbish motherboard/drivers, then you'll have no problems going higher than that |
| [21:12:39] | stuartm: | I've one DVB-T dual tuner and one DVB-S2 single tuner, with the number of repeats available, I've not had a conflict in a couple of years |
| [21:13:31] | AnthonyUK: | way I see it programmes are like buses you spend ages and none go buy then 5 do all at once |
| [21:14:23] | AnthonyUK: | I could put my database on a seperate old hdd, would 20–40GB drive be enough for the database ? |
| [21:15:25] | AnthonyUK: | I know they are small to begin with, just don't have long term experience like you guys do so don't know if after a while they begin to bloat |
| [21:16:08] | wagnerrp: | i wouldn't trust drives that small (old) |
| [21:16:46] | AnthonyUK: | wagnerrp: as in they could fail soon? |
| [21:16:58] | wagnerrp: | as in, they're older than myth itself is |
| [21:17:11] | wagnerrp: | i don't trust hard drives that old |
| [21:17:16] | AnthonyUK: | or the specs and speed not be good enough |
| [21:17:26] | wagnerrp: | not that they will, but statistics are not in your favor |
| [21:18:02] | AnthonyUK: | 2 of my old ide drives have had alot of wear and tear, two 30GB one i picked up off of ebay and they was still sealed in the anti static bag |
| [21:18:25] | AnthonyUK: | i only used them to test and teach my self diferent distros, they haven't spun much in there life |
| [21:18:43] | wagnerrp: | bearings dry up and seize even when not in use |
| [21:18:48] | AnthonyUK: | yikes |
| [21:19:46] | skd5aner: | stuartm: reading backlock – as you brought up, it might make sense to use openid or even other allow facebook connect for registration... |
| [21:20:33] | skd5aner: | but, meh – a stand-alone registration system is probably enough really |
| [21:20:37] | wagnerrp: | i prefer not to participate in data mining if i can avoid it |
| [21:21:16] | wagnerrp: | if i had a facebook account, i wouldn't want facebook to have their fingers in everything else as well |
| [21:22:03] | skd5aner: | xris: we're attempting to use zb block to help prevent bot registrations, but we found out that it's default signatures are overly agressive, so stuarta had to back them out and use an alternate signature that tries to block on behavior, so I guess we'll see how it owrks over time. |
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| [21:23:06] | xris: | skd5aner: hope it works. I'm not sure what SD is using these days but we have a horrible time with it. |
| [21:23:13] | xris: | had to resort to manually approving registrations |
| [21:23:20] | skd5aner: | xris: I use it on a couple of my forums and it's stopped 99.99999% of invalid registrations – but, all forums I run are regional or US focused, so it leverages the default signatures which blocks several ISPs in various countries, which caused issues already here... |
| [21:23:39] | xris: | ah |
| [21:23:46] | xris: | yeah, that could help SD, though |
| [21:24:02] | skd5aner: | Since SD is North America only, zb block would probably be perfect for you |
| [21:24:19] | skd5aner: | xris: http://www.spambotsecurity.com/zbblock.php |
| [21:24:48] | wagnerrp: | bah, that's why it wouldn't unmount the buildbots |
| [21:24:58] | wagnerrp: | i had a bunch of scratch partitions mounted underneath it |
| [21:25:09] | skd5aner: | I was getting between 10 and 100 false registrations a day. I've been using it for 2 years now and had may be 2–3 false registrations over a 2 year period – and no false positives for me |
| [21:25:51] | skd5aner: | so, I'm pretty happy with it.. but we had someone, who I think was in Poland, who is a known good-user, and he was getting blocked on the new forum simply because his IP is in a block known to harbor a lot of "bad guys" |
| [21:26:06] | skd5aner: | and, by "We" I mean "mythtv" |
| [21:26:35] | skd5aner: | in my personal forums, it's 100% US users. |
| [21:28:09] | stuartm: | skd5aner: I'd only do it if it was optional – there's a mod which claims to offer openid, facebook and others, although I'm nervous about rolling it out without testing it first |
| [21:29:04] | stuartm: | https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=1883675 |
| [21:29:19] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I think for now, start basic – maybe a single "Third Party / API" forum, and see how it goes. If you start to see signfiicant numer of threads on a particular subject, then perhaps create another forum and move the threads there... |
| [21:30:26] | skd5aner: | One mistaked I've mae in the past is creating too many "Specialty" topic forums because users requested them, then they never get used and have very low usage... better to start small and expand than to segment and have disjointed and underutilized forum topics |
| [21:32:33] | skd5aner: | stuartm: it might make sense (if easy for you and stuarta to accomplish) to set up a test/dev forum so you trial out some of that stuff before rolling it out in production |
| [21:33:08] | skd5aner: | I personally do not want to use a third party auth service for mythtv, but I'm starting to see a large number of apps/sites doing so |
| [21:33:18] | skd5aner: | I like NOT to have all my eggs in one basket |
| [21:34:00] | skd5aner: | but, if that's what people expect, they might be more willing to use the forums with an account they have elsewhere versus creating "yet another account (tm)" – to each their own |
| [21:36:59] | xris: | skd5aner: thx for the link |
| [21:37:05] | skd5aner: | :) |
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| [21:59:14] | skd5aner: | stuarta, stuartm: I'm getting some long page-load times right now on the forums, not sure if that's completely random, just me, or something actually a little off on the server |
| [22:00:45] | peper03: | neufeld: I'm not actually trying to do *anything* with UPNP. I just found that it would crash when I started MythFrontend on my development box. I'm getting a stack trace when MythFrontend exits anyway. Interestingly it only seems to affect master. 0.27 seems fine. The stack trace on exit complains about a double-linked list and implicates the NVidia OpenGL driver, but I'm not convinced that's really the culprit (because it works fine with |
| [22:00:47] | peper03: | 0.27 on the same machine). |
| [22:02:12] | stuartm: | skd5aner: noticed that, load on the server is low, so may be network latency, I'll mention it to stuarta when he's online |
| [22:02:48] | peper03: | Witha bit of luck, I'll get some time tomorrow to have another look. Not really feeling like I'm making much progress though. I don't know what's special about my configuration. The UPNP code doesn't look like it's been changed for years, so what's causing it to play up? |
| [22:09:39] | stuartm: | skd5aner: the plan is to setup a dev instance |
| [22:11:40] | skd5aner: | so handy to have a dev instance... it's fun to tinker with mods from time to time, but it's never fun to tinker with them in production |
| [22:30:47] | wagnerrp: | need to add something to configure to check for clang |
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| [22:31:30] | wagnerrp: | having to force the compiler doesn't make much sense |
| [22:46:17] | stuartm: | heh, first post to the France forum is a one which redirects people to another forum for French MythTV users ... |
| [22:46:31] | stuartm: | not exactly what I had in mind |
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| [22:50:59] | giovani: | Hi — I'm using a Ceton InfiniTV 4 that's being bridged from a machine on my network |
| [22:51:45] | giovani: | I'm trying to configure MythTV (on another machine on the network) to use it — with no luck — after adding the card, and going to scan for channels, MythTV says "Failed to open card" — I'm doing a tcpdump on the mythtv host, and no packets are ever sent to the Ceton's IP |
| [22:52:10] | giovani: | I manually used the Ceton python client and was able to connect, select a channel, and stream it to the host — so I know the card, and the network configuration is working |
| [22:52:19] | giovani: | (I used the python client from the mythtv host) |
| [22:52:40] | giovani: | where should I be looking for more info about why mythtv seems to not even be trying to speak to the card? |
| [22:53:37] | giovani: | I'm running MythTV 0.27 (packaged by Ubuntu for 13.10) |
| [22:54:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot scan channels from cablecard tuners. you must pull a lineup from schedules direct |
| [22:54:16] | wagnerrp: | also, you want #mythtv-users. this is the development channel |
| [22:54:59] | giovani: | wagnerrp: ah, thanks for the tip (both, actually) — I apologize for dumping this in the dev channel |
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| [23:44:25] | stuartm: | paul-h: is there a last played field for id3v2? I could find one when I last looked |
| [23:47:03] | paul-h: | stuartm: no I don't think there is I've just been looking for one myself |
| [23:47:44] | paul-h: | We could make up our own TXXX |
| [23:47:49] | stuartm: | I was planning on adding it as a custom field so that ... |
| [23:47:59] | stuartm: | yeah, just what I was about to say |
| [23:48:30] | stuartm: | that way we don't lose that metadata |
| [23:50:18] | paul-h: | Yeah I've only just noticed it wasn't being added while testing. I assumed it was being added since we pass it to the MetaIO* classes |
| [23:51:45] | stuartm: | I added support for it, just in cases there were other tags that did have a last played field, then more recently I decided that we should use a custom tag |
| [23:52:10] | stuartm: | I'll do that, I was going to add support for playcounts other than our own anyway – so we'd increment both the 'global' playcount (no email address) and the 'mythtv' playcount |
| [23:54:38] | paul-h: | Looks like there is a PCNT – Play counter |
| [23:56:44] | stuartm: | yeah, PCNT is unique per tag but POPM without an email address is also widely used by players, so we'd update both |
| [23:57:43] | stuartm: | what we display to the use might be the mythtv-only value, or the total 'all players' value – haven't actually decided that bit yet |
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