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Monday, February 3rd, 2014, 00:12 UTC
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[00:19:49] stuartm: wagnerrp: mind trying again? I've simplified the redirects which may have been confusing safari
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[09:21:29] peper03_: What's going on with IRC? Seems like it's not only me but I've not found any info on the problem. :(
[09:21:45] stuarta: peper03_: there was a DDOS going on late yesterday
[09:22:04] stuarta: correction 40mins ago
[09:22:15] stuarta: so probably still going on
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[09:23:05] peper03_: OK. I can't get a connection on my PC at all. Phone worked first time. Maybe I was just lucky.
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[09:25:19] stuarta: peper03_: it'll depend which server you got back from dns and if that server is currently under attack or not
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[09:27:40] peper03: Hmm. That's better. Entering a specific server helped. nslookup for irc.freenode.net returns 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.2. That's not normal, is it? Is that part of the attack?
[09:30:01] stuarta: that'll be ddos mitigation
[09:30:19] stuarta: i'll leave you to work out why :)
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[09:30:52] ** peper03 should know more about network stuff, but finds it makes his head hurt :) **
[09:31:09] stuarta: meh, networking is easy
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[09:58:14] stuartm: peper03_: by setting the dns for irc.freenode.net to 127.0.0.1 at best the DOS'ing computers start attacking themselves, at worst they don't have a valid external IP to target
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[10:00:51] peper03_: stuartm: Makes sense.
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[10:03:21] peper03_: This is why I'd rather have face-to-face meetings (if I must attend a meeting) http://tinyurl.com/k2nj83y
[10:03:27] stuartm: wouldn't work if the attacker had used the ip address instead of the domain name, but most DOS attackers on IRC are by script kiddies and are not very sophisticated
[10:06:06] stuarta: indeed
[10:06:26] stuarta: the buildbot is awol because of this
[10:06:35] stuarta: it's trying to reconnect, but not having much luck
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[10:09:22] stuartm: guy in #freenode just reported finding one of his servers compromised, running a php script that was targeting wolfe.freenode.net
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[10:09:56] stuartm: "<16WAALZA1> I just hopped on here to say I found an unused VPS of mine was compromised and was ddos'ing wolfe.freenode.net. It was running a php script. Want me to post details or take it to another channel?"
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[11:26:16] Merlin83b: stichnot: I finally updated to 0.27 over the weekend. Very happy to report that on an Atom FE (Acer Revo R3610) the stuttering in the livetv channel guide is gone. I suspect you know this already but just a word of thanks from me. And the wife!
[11:31:06] stuartm: wagnerrp: apparently safari on the mac works OK, I suspect the issues with iOS will resolve themselves once it's stopped caching the results of the old redirect
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[11:33:48] stuartm: stichnot: the 'Watch this channel' option appears in the guide when accessing it while watching a recording, it doesn't actually do anything though
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[12:09:53] wagnerrp: still going nuts
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[12:13:56] stuarta: bah. damn ddos
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[12:32:07] stuartm: wagnerrp: what about going directly to https://code.mythtv.org/trac ?
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[12:35:24] wagnerrp: that works
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[12:53:26] stuartm: wonder why it's choking on a simple 301/302 redirect
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[13:07:24] stuarta: looping maybe?
[13:08:03] stuarta: what request sends the client off the deep end
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[13:09:44] stuartm: when tested with GET -Sed it doesn't show any looping
[13:09:57] stuartm: stuarta: http://code.mythtv.org
[13:10:34] stuartm: not happening with any other browser that I've yet tested, or had tested by someone else i.e. IE 9/10/11
[13:10:47] stuarta: curl reports the redirect is right
[13:10:57] stuartm: should redirect in one step to https://code.mythtv.org/trac
[13:11:25] stuarta: it does. try "curl -v http://code.mythtv.org"
[13:11:42] stuartm: I know it does, I've done the same check with GET -Sed :)
[13:11:48] stuarta: :)
[13:12:36] stuartm: but for some reason Safari on iOS6 (not mac) is having problems
[13:12:50] stuartm: or at least it is on wagnerrp's iPhone/iPad
[13:13:24] stuartm: perhaps someone is able to confirm with their iToy
[13:13:26] stuarta: weird
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[13:19:05] stuartm: I still think it must be caching from an earlier, broken config
[13:24:23] stuarta: getting one of the guys here to check
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[13:45:47] stuartm: apache makes things 'interesting' for mixed http/https setups, seemingly impossible to avoid duplicating configs :(
[13:46:24] stuarta: you just have to use a *lot* of specially crafted includes
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[13:55:18] stuarta: stuartm: so it redirects correctly on safari on ios7
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[13:57:11] stuartm: caching then, only explanation
[13:57:52] stuarta: yep, probably work fine for him today
[13:57:53] stuartm: and since safari is Apple, that caching may be at the OS level so only a restart of the device wipes it
[13:58:06] stuarta: who knows...
[13:58:11] stuartm: or the cached entry times out
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[14:26:35] wagnerrp_: stuartm: rebooted phone, same behavior... https://code.mythtv.org/trac works fine, https://code.mythtv.org/ just freaks out in a loop
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[14:28:16] stuartm: could add a user agent exception for safari on ios6 which falls back to the old meta refresh redirect
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[14:28:53] stuartm: nothing wrong so far as any of us can tell with the server configuration, so it has to be a safari bug
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[14:29:53] stuartm: stuarta: turns out the server was partially upgraded to 6.5, but the release package was one of those left out of that upgrade – now fixed
[14:30:13] stuarta: interesting
[14:31:21] stuartm: at the risk of "breaking things"â„¢ I've just let it upgrade the rest of the packages as well
[14:32:46] stuartm: I guess at some point someone enabled the 6.5 repo to cherry pick something
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[14:33:35] stuarta: you don't enable them, unless you configure for 6.4 explicitely, you'll always be enabled for 6.latest
[14:33:57] stuarta: what probably happened is somebody updated before 6.5 came out, so installed a bunch of 6.4 errata's
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[14:35:48] stuarta: yep, that's exactly it, previous updates were applied Jun 26th 2013, 6.5 came out 1st dec 2013
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[14:40:09] stuartm: ah
[14:41:20] stuartm: my mistake then, assumed that 6.5 was a distinct release
[14:42:24] stuartm: Upgrading directly from MySQL <unrecognized version package Percona-Server-server-55–5.5.19-rel24.0.204.rhel6.x86_64
[14:42:26] stuartm: Percona-Server-server-55–5.5.21-rel25.1.234.rhel6.x86_64 is not installed> to MySQL 5.5 may not
[14:42:27] stuartm: be safe in all cases. A manual dump and restore using mysqldump is
[14:42:29] stuartm: recommended. It is important to review the MySQL manual's Upgrading section for version-specific incompatibilities.
[14:43:18] stuartm: unexpected considering it's minor release – 5.5.19 to 5.5.21
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[14:48:55] stuarta: stuartm: 6.5 is a distinct release, but you also get async errata beforehand for critical updates
[14:49:19] stuarta: sigh
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[14:50:57] stuartm: :/
[14:55:11] stuartm: momentary breakage of cgit fixed
[14:56:42] stuarta: i'm testing out pvmove moving the dev alcor's /opt to a mirrored backing device
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[14:59:58] stuartm: apologies if my upgrades have caused you extra work
[15:00:37] stuartm: doing the rounds now, so far nothing appears broken, although until certain services are restarted I can't be certain
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[15:01:57] stuarta: stuartm: it doesn't cause me any more work. i'm trying to rebuild all of it anyway :)
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[15:06:33] stuartm: :)
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[15:32:40] stuartm: slight problem with using https for the mailman admin stuff, I've misplaced the password and I'm currently only able to login because my browser is remembering it for me, that only works for http ...
[15:36:56] dblain: stuartm: Not sure if you're done upgrading the server or not, but IE11 is broken again going to any of the variations of https://code.mythtv.org. I don't have a problem using chrome, but figured I'd give you a heads up.
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[15:40:51] __raven: hi
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[15:41:51] __raven: how to reset all database except the master settings? need to clean up all (buggy) recordings and schedules
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[15:47:14] stuartm: dblain: which version of windows? apparently 8.x is missing some of the authentication/cipher support that was present in Windows 7, think we need to upgrade the server before we can properly support Windows 8
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[15:53:51] wagnerrp_: __raven: this is the development channel. you want #mythtv-users
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[16:53:43] MartinT: #12012
[16:53:43] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12012 **
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[17:09:51] dblain: stuartm: windows 8.1
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[17:12:58] stuartm: dblain: ok, that makes sense then ... of the Cipher Suites supported by IE 11 on 8.1 here – https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewClient.ht . . . rm=Win%208.1
[17:13:18] stuartm: both RSA and DSS are unavailable with openssl
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[17:14:15] stuartm: and ECDHE is only available with more recent versions of apache than offered by Cent OS 6.5
[17:17:02] stuartm: hmm, actually ... seems RSA should be available ... guess I'll have to look into that
[17:20:28] stuartm: dblain: try now
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[17:47:25] dblain: stuartm: works now
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[17:49:20] stuartm: cool,
[17:51:51] wagnerrp_: ios6 safari started working at some point as well
[17:52:47] stuartm: this is the point where I back away from the server very, very slowly with my fingers crossed
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[18:38:05] MartinT: stuartm: server's down....
[18:38:14] MartinT: only joking.
[18:38:30] MartinT: couldn't resist...
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[18:55:10] AnthonyUK: I have just tried to follow this guide in ubuntu 12.04 but it says "pacman: command not found". this is after I did apt-get pacman
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[18:55:38] stuartm: AnthonyUK: the guys in #ubuntu-mythtv will be able to help
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[18:56:36] AnthonyUK: k stuartrm I'll try there
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[19:57:33] MartinT: dblain, stuartm: is there a way to pass in maybe make my types nullable on the service api? not sure if cpp has nullable ints, strings, bools, etc. but I was thinking I could maybe make the input parameters some kind of object like that instead of the actual type... is that possible?
[19:59:02] MartinT: that didn't make a huge amount of sense... I want to make the types nullable, probably a wrapper class (c# has them) and have them passed into method so I can check if they were supplied or not...
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[20:22:01] dblain: MartinT: C++ doesn't have nullable types like c# does. If a parameter is left off a call to a service method, it's default value will be passed to the method.
[20:22:42] dblain: To be clear, the datatype's default value will be passed (i.e. 0 for int's and double's, null for strings, etc)
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[20:32:00] stuartm: unless you're using the scripting api and then all parameters need to be passed
[20:32:36] stuartm: which is a pain since it means all users of the scripting API need updating each time a new parameter is added
[20:34:13] MartinT: could we create a wrapper class and have that as the parameter on the method?
[20:34:40] MartinT: or can I only pass primitives on the methods?
[20:35:47] peper03: stuartm: Just noticed a slight oddity. Clicking on a direct http link to a ticket takes me to https://code.mythtv.org/trac the first time. If I click on it again, it takes me to the ticket (https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/<ticket number>).
[20:36:34] peper03: Doesn't seem to be directly related to cookies, but I'm not sure what it is related to. Tried it on Firefox, Chrome (and because it's there) Konqueror.
[20:36:36] stuartm: #12000
[20:36:36] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12000 **
[20:37:27] wagnerrp_: well we should at least have mythlogbot spit out https links
[20:38:15] stuartm: peper03: not able to reproduce here with any of those browsers, or Opera
[20:39:27] stuartm: server is really slow atm
[20:39:28] ** neufeld tries firefox and konqueror **
[20:39:30] MartinT: stuartm: replicated here.... seems to be cookie related... just checking...
[20:39:40] peper03: stuartm: Just tried it again with Chrome. If I clear out all the cookies, it directs me to /trac.
[20:39:47] neufeld: firefox worked as expected, konqueror bounced me to /trac
[20:40:22] stuartm: ok, I can reproduce with GET
[20:41:29] neufeld: maybe something in the http->https rewrite? Konqueror lands me where I want with https, but not with http
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[20:43:53] peper03: Yes, actually Konqueror consistenly takes me to https://code.mythtv.org/trac
[20:45:04] peper03: I almost never use Konqueror other than on occasions like this as a test so I don't care too much.
[20:51:48] stuartm: neufeld: yeah it's the rewrite, should be fixed
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[20:52:47] stuartm: is it just my connection or is the server really slow?
[20:53:00] neufeld: stuartm: konqueror now behaving as expected on http URLs to trac tickets
[20:53:47] peper03: stuartm: Yep, looks good now. Thanks!
[20:54:01] stuartm: wagnerrp_: we'll have to get Beirdo to make that change?
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[21:29:36] wagnerrp_: stuartm: the code is lying around somewhere, although i'm not sure if it's the latest version of the code
[21:30:16] wagnerrp_: OOMing again...
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[21:34:22] MartinT: can someone confirm that my e-mail as made it through to the mythtv-dev mailing list... first one I've sent...
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[21:36:50] peper03: MartinT: Yes.
[21:38:08] MartinT: thanks
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[21:49:20] stuartm: heh wtf, the main page on the website still links to svn.mythtv.org
[21:49:31] ** stuarta acts surprised **
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[21:51:14] stuartm: fixing it, will commit and push ones I've grep for other examples
[21:52:07] stuartm: eugh, a lot of them
[21:52:52] ** stuartm goes to use search/replace in kdevelop **
[21:56:18] stuartm: changes in repo, deploying to the server now
[21:57:42] stuartm: 'deploying' sounded cooler than 'running the publish script'
[21:57:48] stuarta: :)
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[22:01:43] jheizer: For some reason every time I click publish in visual studio I think back to microsoft frontpage a billion years ago.
[22:02:13] MartinT: jheizer: I feel the same... publishing to azure is cool though
[22:02:48] MartinT: webdeploy + entity + entity migrations + azure = cool!
[22:02:49] stuartm: ashamed to say my very first website was created using the free version of Frontpage
[22:03:31] jheizer: I am just "publishing" to my local file system to then copy over RDP to client. So it is a pretty boring button.
[22:03:46] jheizer: I went from notepad to frontpage to notepad. lol
[22:04:14] jheizer: Funny thing thinking back now is was there a Publish button? I guess later when FPSE came about maybe.
[22:04:34] jheizer: I have just always associated the two.
[22:06:58] stuartm: yeah, can't have been a publish button with those early versions, I'd moved on to notepad and maybe even ultraedit by the time they added that whole server extensions thing
[22:07:27] stuartm: or maybe SE was only available with the paid version? Either way, never used it
[22:07:55] stuartm: it's only recently that my present host dropped FPSE support!
[22:08:15] jheizer: I can't believe VS still supports it as a deployment option.
[22:08:42] jheizer: I believe it was dropped with the most recent version, but 2012 still has it as an option.
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[22:10:51] jheizer: Random, but my wife broke a rib so my MobileMyth/WebFE work that I finally got back into is going to be on hold again for a while.
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