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[12:48:58] TandyUK: guys can someone PLEASE fix the damn lirc bug that has existed for the last year
[12:49:20] TandyUK: michael@myth-bedroom:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc
[12:49:20] TandyUK: [sudo] password for michael:
[12:49:20] TandyUK: * Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC [ OK ]
[12:49:21] TandyUK: ls: cannot access /lib/modules/3.2.0-57-generic/kernel/drivers/staging/lirc: No such file or directory
[12:49:28] TandyUK: << At this stage, NO remote control
[12:49:31] TandyUK: to fix
[12:49:44] TandyUK: michael@myth-bedroom:~$ cd /lib/modules/3.2.0-57-generic/kernel/drivers/staging/
[12:49:51] TandyUK: michael@myth-bedroom:/lib/modules/3.2.0-57-generic/kernel/drivers/staging$ sudo ln -s media/lirc lirc
[12:50:01] TandyUK: and now dpkg-reconfigure lirc works correctly
[12:50:13] TandyUK: happens EVERY time there is a fking kernel update
[13:05:09] TheCrasher: thats most likely a bug in your distro.. I suppose its ubuntu?
[13:05:55] TheCrasher: or debian mor likely ^^
[13:09:38] stuartm: TandyUK: we don't maintain lirc, it's a separate project
[13:10:01] TandyUK: its ubuntu
[13:10:09] stuartm: this is #mythtv
[13:10:19] TandyUK: i thin kthe technical term is "lirc is not maintained"
[13:10:26] TandyUK: at least you guys ctually reply
[13:10:37] TandyUK: i could write a patch, but i have absouletly no clue where to send it
[13:11:09] TandyUK: its technically not even a lirc bug tbfh
[13:11:21] TandyUK: its because someone decided to 'tidy up' the kernel source tree
[13:11:32] TandyUK: without bothering to think of the repurcussions
[13:15:37] stuartm: you could try #linuxtv, but submitting a bug reporting to ubuntu would be the best approach
[13:17:49] TheCrasher: yea looks to me like a packageing problem
[13:18:29] stuartm: we've no more influence on or responsibility for lirc (or ubuntu) than an oven manufacturer has when your fridge goes wrong
[13:18:56] TheCrasher: I'll sue them if my fridge breaks thats for sure :-P
[13:19:01] TheCrasher: Can't hurt can it?
[13:19:52] stuartm: of course the analogy falls apart when your oven and fridge are manufactured by the same company ...
[13:20:26] stuartm: TandyUK: you might also try #mythbuntu
[13:20:28] TheCrasher: Or your fridge explodes in a fireball taking your oven with it :-P
[13:21:20] TandyUK: "influence on or responsibility" but you use their package as an integral part of your, so why would it not make sense that you at least know where to send this report
[13:21:37] TandyUK: basically its nobodys problem, and everyone wants ME to go and tell someone else about it
[13:22:28] TandyUK: ive been doing this cycle for like 6 months now, its getting boring tbh
[13:22:58] TandyUK: i think just getting of mythtv will be my customers solution to the prpblem
[13:23:02] TandyUK: and leave it broken
[13:23:18] TandyUK: i dont even use myth
[13:23:55] TandyUK: but if your happy for your software to not work, thats your choice i supose
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[13:24:14] TheCrasher: Lirc works fine and mythtv works fine here out of the box
[13:24:23] TheCrasher: so its obviously a distro problem
[13:24:53] TheCrasher: Man thats one pissed Not-MythTV user :-P
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[14:17:51] stuartm: huh, lyngsat have switched all their icons to transparent backgrounds
[14:17:59] stuartm: that's going to mess up some themes ...
[14:18:49] stuartm: wtf, refeshed and it's showing the 'normal' icons
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[14:43:42] dekarl-work: stuartm: hmm, I'm using big transparent logos for some time. Don't others use nice logos like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBeebies.svg ? The Australian (and Dutch) ones use tranparency, too. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_icons#Inte . . . hannel_Logos
[14:45:50] stuartm: dekarl-work: the problem with most transparent logos is what background to set them against, those with white text can't use a white background etc
[14:48:02] dekarl-work: sadly there is no tvbrainz definitive list of channel, yet. So http://fanart.tv/topic/clear-tv-channel-logos/ and https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/at . . . Q70qZNSuWyYJ are still waiting for chicken or egg to appear
[14:50:25] stuartm: currently we source icons from lyngsat and some xmltv supplied mappings for services, we could add other sources, but the current setup is based around a one to one mapping, so we can't offer the option to users of choosing either the transparent icon or the non-transparent
[14:50:36] dekarl-work: stuartm: see the australian site, they have "channel logo themes" that could be matched to the OSD theme
[14:50:46] stuartm: dekarl-work: yeah I know
[14:52:06] stuartm: point being, that for services, until someone re-writes it, we're sticking with the non-transparent as those are the least likely to cause display issues
[14:54:18] dekarl-work: I don't have the time to rewrite it or come up with a replacement. (just in time for christmas we got water damage at home)
[14:55:06] dekarl-work: such things make me sad http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2013-12-13:13:10:26
[14:57:36] stuartm: ffs, "Rescan for missing icons" appears to be broken in master? Why??
[14:59:43] stuartm: oh, mea culpa – seems it checks for the files existence but doesn't use the storage group url
[15:04:22] stuartm: that's the second bug of my own creation I've had to fix today :/
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[15:12:27] stuartm: received an email last night from a guy who was interested in helping out with the webfrontend, it got me thinking about creating a list of various jobs/tasks that we want to see achieved and then once a fortnight inviting people on the lists to take on the work
[15:14:49] dekarl-work: that's something that I want to do for the tvbrainz/"shared tv guide tooling" concept, too. Write down the big picture / my vision and split it down into bite sized pieces that build upon each other.
[15:15:15] dekarl-work: So someone wanting to help out can find something helpful to do. If it gets big enough look for some organization to sponsor it as GSoC or similar
[15:18:42] stuartm: there's just too much for any one of us, but some of these could be reasonably easy one-off projects for people – e.g. auto-xmltvid population post-scanning for digital sources from services*
[15:20:00] stuartm: * This would mean changing the existing icon services schema to retain the information in one table, unfortunately we currently discard any linkage between serviceid and xmltv after submission
[15:48:01] ** dekarl-work is thinking. With tv_grab_uk_atlas and tv_grab_uk_rt servicing the same tv channels with different ids it gets complicated to suggest the right id. Makes a map from dvb id to xmltv id, served by the grabber itself, even more attractive **
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[15:55:08] buu: stuartm: Have you seen the uh http://questhub.io/welcome ?
[15:56:56] stuartm: buu: no I hadn't, thanks, that looks like a good way of doing it
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[16:14:32] stuartm: xris: for some reason the Weather Channel icons aren't being picked up when we scan lyngsat, http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/tv/t_19.html
[16:14:48] stuartm: the Weather Network icon is found though
[16:16:12] stuartm: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/tt/the_we . . . annel_us.jpg
[16:18:24] stuartm: huh, it _is_ picked up, just marked as disabled ... guess the scanning code is failing to re-enable channels if they re-appear
[16:22:54] stuartm: nope, that's not it ...
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[17:32:43] stuartm: xris: found the issue, some icon names had a <br> in them, I've pushed a fix but you may want to tweak it
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[18:14:12] skd5aner: stuartm: lyngsat has High Quality (HQ) icons for most of the popular networks, which are PNGs and have transparent backgrounds, much larger, and are not a predefined size/ratio.
[18:14:44] skd5aner: stuartm: They also have Low Quality (LQ) icons for most networks, which are jpgs, usually a standard size (132x99 I blieve) with a white background...
[18:15:10] skd5aner: Almost all have the jpg, but a smaller number have the HQ icons...
[18:15:42] skd5aner: You can always see if they have either icons by the directory paths...
[18:16:59] skd5aner: LQ icons directory path = logo/tv/[letterletter]/stationname.jpg
[18:17:28] skd5aner: HQ icons directory pate = /hires/[letterletter]/stationname.png
[18:17:33] skd5aner: for example... BBC America
[18:17:58] skd5aner: FYI, letterletter = the first letter of the station name, so for example, BBC America, the letterletter = bb
[18:18:08] skd5aner: HQ: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/bb/bbc_america_east.png
[18:18:14] skd5aner: LQ: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/bb/bbc_america_east.jpg
[18:18:27] skd5aner: I know that it can cause problems with theming, but I do prefer the HQ icons...
[18:19:00] skd5aner: I think it looks ugly when you have a dark theme, and then a square channel icon with a white background – looks like bad webdesign tactics from 1995 :)
[18:20:26] skd5aner: so, I use all the HQ png icons I can, and only use maybe 6 or so low res ones
[18:21:30] skd5aner: many local network affiliates don't have an HQ icon, so either you have to use their broadcast network icon like NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, etc (which I don't like to do), or you have to use the LQ icon, or you have to find a HQ icon a different way, like through google images
[18:24:12] skd5aner: as you can see from that BBC example too, the ratio isn't standardized for the HQ png ones, it's based on the aspect of the actual logo, where all the LQ ones are are the exact same ratio – they just put the logo in a pre-defined box
[18:28:16] skd5aner: if you compare that to something like, E network, you get a very tall/skinny ratio, like this: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/ee/e_us.png
[18:28:29] skd5aner: anyway – I've spent a LOT of time playing with lyngsat-logo over the years :)
[18:29:07] stuartm: skd5aner: we use the HQ ones if they are available already but there aren't really that many
[18:29:39] skd5aner: xris: speaking of all of this, can you please help me reset my password for the icon services site?
[18:30:00] skd5aner: stuartm: you do? I know a few years ago you definitely didn't...
[18:30:03] stuartm: e.g. the 't' pages have 1431 standard icons and just 88 high quality icons
[18:30:11] stuartm: skd5aner: yep we do
[18:30:48] skd5aner: stuartm: cool, I remember trying to convience xris to do that, but he never made the change that I was aware of?
[18:30:57] stuartm: seems he did
[18:31:05] skd5aner: :)
[18:31:51] stuartm: if you look at db.pl you can see it scrapes the hdtv pages
[18:32:20] skd5aner: I will take your word for it... I'm assuming it just takes the list and looks to see if there also exists an icon in the hires directory
[18:32:24] skd5aner: ok, I'll take a look :)
[18:32:28] stuartm: it might be missing some icons, I know the regexp isn't perfect
[18:32:38] skd5aner: well...
[18:32:41] skd5aner: the hdtv pages are different
[18:32:56] skd5aner: the hdtv pages are VERY limited, and hdtv != hq icons
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[18:33:17] stuartm: ah
[18:33:19] skd5aner: the hdtv page on lyngsat is for networks that have an HD specific channel, and it's incomplete
[18:34:45] skd5aner: which, is seperate issue, but I also am of the belief that if a network has an SD and an HD network, and their icons are different, that they should have the HD icon mapped to the HD network and the SD icon mapped to the SD network – not just the same icon for either (irregardless of HQ/LQ icons)
[18:35:02] skd5aner: Usually, only relavent for cable networks
[18:36:43] skd5aner: I will say though, that almost all major cable networks in America have a HQ icon on lyngsat, but a minority of them have a unique HDTV icon
[18:37:36] skd5aner: maybe 90%+ have an HQ icon... if not more
[18:37:59] skd5aner: but maybe only about 15% of local broadcast networks have a HQ icon on lyngsat... because they're so many and the markets are smaller
[18:39:43] skd5aner: anyway... my suggestion to xris a few years back to to scrape lyngsat, and if someone said they needed an icon for, say, CNN, that it would go and look for the HQ icon first, and if it doesn't exist, fall back to the LQ one...
[18:39:49] skd5aner: right now, it'll only pull this: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/cc/cnn.jpg
[18:40:01] skd5aner: because that's why it scrapes
[18:40:34] skd5aner: but, it doesn't even have to scrape... all it has to do is attempt to see if an icon exists at http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/cc/cnn.png, if not, fail back
[18:41:36] skd5aner: s/logo/hires, remove "/tv", and s/jpg/png
[18:41:46] skd5aner: :)
[18:44:05] skd5aner: xris: nevermind, I remember my password :)
[18:45:43] skd5aner: stuartm: you still try to approve the dvb icons, right? I just tried to launch the ATSC tab, and I'm getting a generic lyngsat-logo icon for all icons, like it won't let us crawl it anymore or something – dod you see the same thing?
[18:51:25] stuartm: skd5aner: you need to block the referrer header – not sure how to do with other browsers but it's simple to toggle on/off in Opera
[18:52:02] skd5aner: ok, thanks for the tip – been about 2+ years since I've been in the system
[18:52:04] stuartm: it's lyngsats anti-hotlinking measure
[18:52:51] stuartm: it detects that the page the images appearing in isn't on the lyngsat site and redirects to that image instead
[18:52:57] skd5aner: After I did about 2000 icons, I kind of burned out since it seemed there was no end in site... I was really thorough, and it just took so much time
[18:54:19] skd5aner: Also, I wish there was a way to re-check already approved ones... once you approve it in the UI, it dissapears :/
[18:54:31] stuartm: skd5aner: yeah, we need a new approach, for now I'm focusing on approving those icons matches which have received a high number of submissions (accessing the database directly to get the figures), then I plan on wiping the remaining submissions so that we can start again from scratch
[18:54:53] skd5aner: stuartm: would you be willing to do the same for the ones in the xmltvid tab?
[18:55:09] skd5aner: by that, I mean, looking up the popular ones in the db for me, and sending me the list to tackle?
[18:55:10] stuartm: skd5aner: I've just moved onto those :)
[18:55:37] stuartm: skd5aner: you can search icons which lets you delete/reassign mappings, but you can't search by xmltv etc, just the icon name
[18:55:55] skd5aner: right...
[18:56:22] skd5aner: so, would you like some help with the XMLTV id ones? I've got some time today if you're willing to get me the list
[18:56:53] stuartm: skd5aner: sure thing, just be aware that some mappings are bad even if several hundred people have submitted it – e.g. the weather channel one was wrong because we were failing to scrape the icon, so people just chose the next closest match instead of nothing at all
[18:57:51] skd5aner: Yea... I hear you... that's the due diligance part I was talking about earlier, heh. I wanted to ensure that the icon was 100% right or I wouldn't approve it at all, well... after a year and 2000 or so entries, it felt like a losing battle :)
[18:58:08] skd5aner: but, hitting the most popular would be great
[18:58:39] stuartm: http://pastebin.com/wBqerKbr
[18:58:44] skd5aner: I think the first thing I did was get all the major cable networks done that would be on 75% of every US cable provider, it's amazing how many things fall between those gaps though
[18:59:15] stuartm: left column is the count, highest at the bottom, middle column is the channel name, right column the callsign
[18:59:57] stuartm: already done those between 300–650 submissions
[19:00:25] skd5aner: k, are you working on this now?
[19:00:25] stuartm: if you want to work from one end of the list (high or low), I can do the other
[19:00:49] skd5aner: heh... yea, that's what I was getting at, it won't dynamically update so I want to make sure not to step on your toes
[19:02:01] skd5aner: I can start high unless you are already there
[19:02:08] stuartm: there are 300 icons there, will take us a little while, but let's say we meet at 150, if one of us gets there first we can change the target
[19:02:22] skd5aner: also, if you have any questions about US networks, let me know (not that you probably would)
[19:02:30] skd5aner: stuartm: sounds good!
[19:02:41] stuartm: 150. 78|KPXNDT (KPXN-DT)|49814
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[19:02:50] skd5aner: k
[19:03:21] stuartm: skd5aner: if I'm not sure, I'll ask – in a lot of cases it's obvious when the match is wrong, the regional stations might be a bit harder though
[19:04:04] stuartm: e.g. where the channel name is "FF(&3 New York" but it's actually "The Disney Channel" or something :)
[19:04:16] skd5aner: yea... also, btw... back in the day I'd use zap2it's site for additional info, the network's site if necessary, wikipedia, etc etc...
[19:04:21] warped_: Hi all. If anybody is doing with frontend as appliance... http://minimyth2.linuxd.org
[19:04:52] stuartm: ok, so starting low :)
[19:06:16] skd5aner: stuartm: or example... you can use this to look up any network based on the ID: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do?stnNum=#####
[19:06:19] stuartm: skd5aner: hmm, so there might be an issue with the grouping on the sql ... first icon on the list has a second submission with 156 :)
[19:06:20] skd5aner: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do?stnNum=45507
[19:06:29] stuartm: skd5aner: thanks
[19:08:21] skd5aner: stuartm: not seing what youa re talking about with the first icon and 156?
[19:09:19] skd5aner: ok, with 156 votes
[19:09:30] skd5aner: no... that's not it
[19:09:44] stuartm: skd5aner: 10243 – HBO Signature, is first on the list with 50 submissions, but a couple of other matches were suggested, one of which has 156 submissions
[19:10:07] stuartm: I deleted the 50x submission, it was plainly wrong – mapped to HBO Signature Asia
[19:10:26] skd5aner: gotcha...
[19:11:15] stuartm: skd5aner: I've only worked down the list from high to low in the past, so I would have approved the 156x match long before I got down to the 50x ones
[19:11:17] skd5aner: makes sense... in other words, the list may not be unique per ID, since an ID might have icons that have 50+ votes for 1 and 50+ votes for another, haha
[19:11:38] skd5aner: gotta love it
[19:11:52] stuartm: skd5aner: yeah, it's not a problem, if I see that's the case I'll just skip it and move to the next one
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[19:20:00] stuartm: skd5aner: fwiw as an example of what I was talking about earlier about all matches being wrong – 65342
[19:20:46] stuartm: the reason was that we weren't picking up the ID icon from lyngsat until today, so people figured that they'd pick any icon with 'Discovery' in it
[19:20:55] stuartm: I'll be denying all of those
[19:21:07] skd5aner: stuartm: just got the plugin for chome to work for the refer block, so the page is loading...
[19:21:37] skd5aner: ok, I'll take a look as the example, thanks
[19:22:39] skd5aner: stuartm: we probably won't see any of these in our list, but there are hundreds of local access / local government channels out there, and none of them have a network icon (at all) – but lyngsat returns ones that sound like they'd fit...
[19:23:01] skd5aner: again, those are ones that really will never have an icon unless we agreed upon a generic one for those types of channels
[19:23:34] skd5aner: but, the returned ones from lyngsat are technically all wrong for the same reason as the example you mentioned above, people just select what sounds right
[19:25:07] stuartm: yeah, lyngsat is far from complete
[19:27:35] stuartm: might be handy to have this open in another tab, so you can check if there are better matches – http://services.mythtv.org/channel-icon/edit/search
[19:28:01] skd5aner: stuartm: that, plus... these channels are technically not even networks, they don't even have a logo or an icon...
[19:28:30] skd5aner: it's just, a little public broadcast for a small community, so there's really nothing for lyngsat to have
[19:29:27] stuartm: there's probably a fairly generic looking 'Community' icon
[19:30:00] skd5aner: yea... if I stumble on one, I'll let you know as an example, but probably not going to show up on this list :)
[19:31:36] skd5aner: ok, finally – loaded, and ready to go... lol... and I see your example now, yea... eveyrone picked completely wrong icons – http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do?stnNum=65342
[19:33:04] skd5aner: stuartm: ok...
[19:33:24] skd5aner: stuartm: sorry to interupt on my first one, but I do see that the change was made to try and get HQ icons...
[19:33:33] skd5aner: however, there's a syntax error, so they don't load...
[19:33:48] skd5aner: 45507
[19:34:25] skd5aner: you'll see a broken image for the HQ icon for ESPN2 HD – http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/hires/ee/espn_2_hd.png, but it should be – http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/ee/espn_2_hd.png
[19:34:33] skd5aner: the /logo/ should not be there...
[19:35:00] skd5aner: is that something you can easily fix in the scrpt? I'd prefer to approve those if possible, but I don't want to approve it now since it's a broken link
[19:35:20] stuartm: should be able to fix
[19:35:39] skd5aner: I'm guessing it's a simple error
[19:37:45] skd5aner: stuartm: k, I don't have access to the db.pl script or I'd take a look, is it something you want to attempt to fix now?
[19:38:58] skd5aner: yea, I see lots of broken HQ icons... that's good!! (other than they're broken) – but, at least that's an option!
[19:40:16] skd5aner: but they usually have only a few votes – the LQ icon for ESPN2 HD has 306 votes, but the HQ icon only has 14... probably because it didn't load for them, funny that 14 people still selected it, haha :)
[19:42:23] dekarl: can I login to the icon service with my trac credentials? (hinthint)
[19:42:49] skd5aner: dekarl: I don't believe so... I had to send xris a hash
[19:43:00] dekarl: reminds me that I still need to figure out how to checkout the repo :/
[19:43:31] xris: skd5aner: for trac?
[19:43:38] xris: or icons?
[19:43:42] skd5aner: for the icons UI
[19:43:53] xris: I so wish I had time to work on that thing again
[19:44:08] skd5aner: stuartm: and I are trying to get the most popular networks done
[19:44:18] skd5aner: s/:/
[19:44:19] xris: maybe I should just make a github project and start organizing it manually
[19:44:35] xris: yaml/json files for config..
[19:44:41] xris: actually.... wouldn't be that bad.
[19:44:51] skd5aner: xris: I was just mentioning that it looks like you had finally added the HQ icons on there, which is great...
[19:44:57] xris: not me
[19:45:03] xris: I haven't touched that in years
[19:45:04] skd5aner: oh, well... someone did :)
[19:45:18] xris: my plans were always for something bigger
[19:45:23] skd5aner: but, the path is not correct, so they show up as broken images
[19:45:23] xris: not just mythtv
[19:45:36] skd5aner: was, SD does have an icon functionality now...
[19:45:50] skd5aner: s/was/well
[19:45:53] dekarl: xris basically a big mapping file like these http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/ ?
[19:45:56] stuartm: skd5aner: the broken url isn't in the script, the value in the database is correct, it's just the approval page that is prepending the url with logo/
[19:45:58] ** skd5aner is full of typos anymore **
[19:46:11] skd5aner: weird...
[19:46:45] skd5aner: so, if I go and approve the hq image for 45507 can you validate that it sets it correctly in the DB?
[19:47:02] skd5aner: Just approved 45507 right now
[19:47:18] stuartm: 30092|0|hires/ee/espn_2_hd|ESPN 2 HD|hires/ee/espn_2_hd.png|1
[19:47:20] dekarl: xris: fyi others want something, too https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/at . . . Q70qZNSuWyYJ http://fanart.tv/topic/clear-tv-channel-logos/
[19:47:34] xris: dekarl: yeah it's been a need for several years
[19:47:36] stuartm: I need to find where exactly that broken url is created
[19:47:41] skd5aner: is 30092 a unique ID for the row??
[19:47:47] xris: I just ran into too many projects and too much life getting in the way
[19:48:15] xris: I'll be coding less and less work work over the next few months (hurray management promotion) so will be looking for new outlets, though.
[19:48:41] skd5aner: xris: still involved in the brewery?
[19:48:43] xris: will be interesting since I'll probably also stop using mythtv over that time, too (canceling cable due to cost and not watching tv)
[19:48:52] xris: skd5aner: yup. not that it takes a lot of my personal time
[19:48:54] xris: kormoc, too.
[19:49:34] stuartm: skd5aner: yes
[19:49:59] skd5aner: xris: well, does that mean you just drink the beer during your work time then? ;)
[19:50:09] skd5aner: (since it doesn't take your personal time) ;)
[19:50:18] xris: we actually went down and brewed a batch as a team building activity.
[19:50:45] skd5aner: stuartm: ok, I'll continue and I'll approve HQ icons in lui of LQ icons even though the link is broken in the UI and even if they have significately lower votes
[19:50:52] skd5aner: stuartm: unless you prefer otherwise
[19:51:04] skd5aner: I know you're warry of the transparency aspect
[19:55:23] skd5aner: stuartm: dumb question, but if NONE of the icons are correct – can you specify the right one via the UI? I never thought there was, but wanted to double check...
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[19:56:54] stuartm: skd5aner: fixed the broken url, however I wouldn't approve that icon if I were you – http://services.mythtv.org/channel-icon/edit/search?s=ESPN+2
[19:57:02] stuartm: midway down the page ... !
[19:58:12] stuartm: the aspect ratio means it's going to be pretty mangled in themes, but I'll leave it upto you since we don't get ESPN 2 HD :)
[19:58:14] skd5aner: because of the size/scaling?
[19:58:40] skd5aner: yea, but themes can define a size limit and ratio... the themes I use do :)
[19:59:04] stuartm: the size/scaling isn't so much the problem as the fact that it's 4 times wider than it is high, as opposed to 1/3 wider for the standard icons
[19:59:15] skd5aner: well, by that, I mean, maintain aspect within a certian maximum size
[19:59:37] skd5aner: Yes, but think of it this way...
[19:59:48] stuartm: if you reduce that width to match the icons elsewhere the text will be a few pixels high
[20:00:28] skd5aner: It's still comes out to be the same "size", since the logo itself doesn't change...
[20:00:56] skd5aner: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/ee/espn_2_hd.png = http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logos/ee/espn_2_hd.jpg
[20:01:14] skd5aner: oops...
[20:01:17] skd5aner: bad link, just a sec
[20:02:11] skd5aner: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/ee/espn_2_hd.jpg
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[20:02:37] skd5aner: basically – if you scale (and maintain aspect ratio) the HQ logo, it'll come out to look identical to the already scaled down version LQ logo
[20:02:46] skd5aner: it's all relative
[20:04:27] skd5aner: I would prefer to be consistent though between us if possible so that either we both pick HQ icons where available, or we don't :)
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[20:07:23] skd5aner: stuartm: if you think about it, as long as all themes define the max height/width, and maintain aspect ratio, they'll scale just fine... I have wide HQ icons like that, as well as very tall, skinny HQ icons like this: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/ee/e_us.png :)
[20:07:56] skd5aner: all scale nicely in the 2–3 themes I've tried them in, and look like the standard LQ icons would... also, I submitted some patches to mythweb about 2 years ago to ensure the same there
[20:08:19] skd5aner: so long as a theme developer isn't lazy, they work perfect :)
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[20:09:14] skd5aner: stuartm: I'll continue to approve the HQ ones, unless you overule and object... also, how can we submit the "correct" icon if none of the options are correct?
[20:09:38] stuartm: skd5aner: do what you feel best :)
[20:09:46] skd5aner: :)
[20:10:34] stuartm: I think I'll add a white background to the edit/approval pages, otherwise it's hard to tell if they are transparent or merely black text on a black background
[20:10:40] skd5aner: ... and the other question (getting the correct icon, even when none of hte submitted icons voted on are correct)?
[20:11:02] skd5aner: yea, that makes sense
[20:11:13] stuartm: skd5aner: no way of doing that atm, I inserted a couple into the db directly but it's not really very practical
[20:11:19] skd5aner: yea
[20:11:37] skd5aner: ok... so... skip them or pick the "closest" wrong one?
[20:11:44] skd5aner: I'd prefer not to do the latter
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[20:17:02] stuartm: skip them unless the closest wrong match is close enough e.g. Fox US West and Fox US East are always going to use the same logo, but Fox Europe would be wrong
[20:17:25] stuartm: skd5aner: chances are that someone will submit the 'correct' match soon enough
[20:18:08] skd5aner: stuartm: well, there's 2 I'm really surprised are wrong... if it's a very short list, I'll just make note and maybe have you manually update if it's less than a handful... otherwise...
[20:19:22] stuartm: skd5aner: they are probably wrong because the correct icon wasn't be offered as a choice until today (the bug I fixed earlier tonight prevented some icons being picked up by the scraper)
[20:19:36] skd5aner: gotcha
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[20:22:20] skd5aner: stuartm: fyi, if you see something like "network_east" "network_west" – you can typically just pick the "east" – that's usually the primary one and west is just a clone as it's the same network, only broadcast 4 hours later...
[20:23:05] skd5aner: east is generally representative of the primary US network
[20:23:10] skd5aner: doesn't really matter though
[20:26:00] dekarl: warped_: what is the USP of Minimyth2 over Minimyth? From the looks its some updates plus NiH. So I wonder if it makes sense to port your enhancements back to MiniMyth. (if you removed lots of old cruft it could be MiniMyth TNG, but I'm always afraid of balkanizing the community)
[20:30:23] warped_: Well, major reason for creating minimyth2 is init system divergence. Pablo went some time ago to perl. I stayed on bash. Over time differences grow and grow. Now – I think better idea is to move to systemd (at least to user space mode) than syncing my changes to minimyth's perl.
[20:31:34] skd5aner: stuartm: line 283, for example, is no longer called Halogen, it's now Pivot, so even though the votes look like Halogen is the clear winner, zap2it confirmed that it's Pivot – just an example of where you have to be careful going through this list... as you know
[20:31:41] warped_: At some pointy of time I was considering converge both again – and discover amount work will be in the same order compared to bash->systemd – so I quit idea of convergence....
[20:33:02] stuartm: skd5aner: that's why I want to change the schema to add dates to submissions, we can see which ones are newer and also purge old submissions periodically
[20:33:58] skd5aner: stuartm: yea... it's also amazing how frequently networks rebrand their logos – I wonder if there's a good way to know when that might happen, although – the URL should still remain consistent either way
[20:34:15] skd5aner: but, when networks change names, happened a dozen or so times for me this year, that would be a new URL
[20:34:49] stuartm: skd5aner: you'd hope that they'd remove the old logo from lyngsat when that happens, but it seems that doesn't always happen
[20:36:12] skd5aner: stuartm: well, sometimes (most times, actually) the ID changes too... but not always
[20:37:06] skd5aner: for example, Fox rebranded Fox Soccer Channel to FXX, but used the same ID: 66379
[20:39:36] dekarl: warped_: ok, thats sad, but I can understand that. Mabye Pablo is interested in systemd, too :)
[20:39:38] skd5aner: gotta love when the one with 220 votes is wrong, and the one with 1 vote, is right, heh
[20:40:17] warped_: dekarl: regarding balkanising community – this is my biggest concern. I definitely want to avoid it. This was reason I was sceptic about publishing minimyth2...but seeing some nice welcome and vacuum – I finally decide to start with compromise: go with my approach (risk of balkanizing) but stay on minimyth forums and clearly articulate +some+ reasons why split....
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[20:49:27] warped_: dekarl: my issue is with resources (time). I'm doing also my server project, so minimyth2 is even more scare on my resources. I simply hope route (and design compromises) I choose will be not less beneficial than EXCELLENT Pablo work. BTW: Pablo seems to be quiet since beginning of Year (no commits, no updates, no posts, etc). I hope this is result of his rest from minimyth – not illness. He does EXCELLENT work with designing/extending minim
[20:50:29] dekarl: warped_: the server project is not "extend mythbuntu control centre with minimyth2" is it?
[20:55:51] warped_: dekarl: on ho. I hate mythbuntu philosophy, way how they pack things, how deals with issues when given component isn't suite their need in 100%. My proj. is strictly ArchLinux philosophy (KISS and pacman). LinHES goes with this route. My concept is to achieve something I will call "ArchMyth": build full home distributed mm system only by adding packages in pacman. For reference scenario zero configs.
[20:57:01] dekarl: Ahh ok
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[21:07:22] jams: warped_, didn't u use linhes at one point?
[21:11:52] skd5aner: stuartm: I'm able half way done iwth my part – I'm got about a dozen I'd like to update manually, can you PM me the SQL you would need to run to update the DB and I'll fill in the details in just put all the changes in a sql script for you to run?
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[21:15:14] stuartm: skd5aner: I didn't get far before going to fix things in the scripts :)
[21:16:08] stuartm: INSERT INTO xmltvids (xmltvid, icon_id) VALUES ({x}, {y});
[21:16:16] skd5aner: ok, I can just send you the correct links relative to the ID's then, just thought I'd make it eaier on you if you had the insert statement... oh, ok :)
[21:16:42] skd5aner: If I get to 150 first, I'll let you know and keep going :)
[21:16:56] skd5aner: stuartm: honestly, if you feel your time would be better served on something else, I can do the entire list if you'd like
[21:17:56] skd5aner: is icon_id = the full url: like http://lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/ff/fox_hd.jpg ?
[21:18:11] warped_: jams: yes. I learn on it and it is great distro. Cecil does really excellent for for adoption of Myth. Unfortunately I was "forced" to abandon it when my tuners weren't supported by LinHES. Only sol. was custom kernel. Entering building my own kernel triggered whole dependencies building. So time for it was comparable to switch to Arch and also build those reps. Switching to Arch shows me beauty of KISS & pacman – so I stay on it as base OS
[21:18:12] warped_: choice :-). Heh, all this shows major issue: rolling release distros (like Arch) aren't best for casual users (users not wanting building packages at all and relaying on disrto owner for it). But if building is needed (and usually sooner or latter will be needed) – makepkg/pacman simply rocks. So for me Arch wins over rest (subject of personal opinion).
[21:18:15] stuartm: skd5aner: this is the sort of mindless task I do to relax :) I'm only doing it as a way of taking a break from doing something more complicated
[21:18:38] skd5aner: heh
[21:18:45] stuartm: skd5aner: icon id is a number, probably the best way to get it is by using the search url I posted earlier
[21:18:50] skd5aner: it's like when I volunteer to do the dishes at home ;)
[21:19:28] stuartm: that said, I've been sitting down for too long, need to get up and stretch my legs for a while
[21:22:59] dekarl: stuartm, ohh that give me an idea for a new feature... Extended watching message :) http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Extended_play_message
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[22:29:22] skd5aner: stuartm: through 150, I'll keep going
[22:29:28] skd5aner: to 125
[23:04:18] skd5aner: stuartm: stopped at 100, so you can finish up 1–99 if you'd like. If you don't, let me know and I'll do it
[23:04:33] skd5aner: I've got about 15 to do manually since none of the results are the ones I'm happy with
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[23:27:54] MythBuild: build #905 of master-linux-64bit-qt5 is complete: Failure [4failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . 5/builds/905 blamelist: Karl Dietz <dekarl@mythtv.org >
[23:31:44] dekarl: MythBuild: force build master-linux-64bit-qt5
[23:31:44] MythBuild: build forced [ETA 6m27s]
[23:31:44] MythBuild: I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[23:34:02] MythBuild: Hey! build master-linux-64bit-qt5 #906 is complete: Failure [4failed compile core]
[23:34:02] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/906 **
[23:34:02] MythBuild: Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . 5/builds/906
[23:34:47] dekarl: hmm, this time it looks like OOM instead of cosmic rays
[23:36:12] dekarl: danielk22, in case you read the logs. I'm not sure what happened in the last hour, but builds on the QT5 builder are failing now. -^
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