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| [02:13:10] | skd5aner: | stuartm: do you remember if the deadlocks I'm seeing in the backend when trying to navigate in the frontend were directly related to the socket issues that crash my backend daily, or if they were seperate issues? These issues are plauging me to the point where mythtv is frequently unusable anymore :( |
| [02:14:14] | skd5aner: | mysql is running rampant and so is mythcommflag |
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| [02:15:48] | skd5aner: | ... and mythbackend |
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| [03:09:15] | skd5aner: | gigem: finally caught MythTV trying to steal an in-use live tv tuner for a recording even though many other tuners are available, with the right logging options enabled :) I'll try and get them posted for you tomorrow |
| [03:09:37] | skd5aner: | I also ignored the prompt and got kicked out to the main menu, not sure if the logs captured that too or not... |
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| [11:41:52] | stuarta: | stuartm: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2 . . . hannels.html |
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| [12:20:13] | stuartm: | coo |
| [12:20:41] | stuartm: | definitely need another drive then |
| [12:21:18] | stuartm: | and maybe time to buy a T2 tuner too |
| [12:22:09] | stuartm: | not that BBC News in HD or even BBC Three in HD is very exciting |
| [12:22:29] | stuartm: | Bob the Builder in HD though! That'll make my Christmas ;) |
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| [12:35:54] | Merlin83b: | Looks like I'll need to rescan. Haven't done that in a long time, hope I can remember how! |
| [12:37:46] | stuartm: | CREATE TABLE channel_backup_09_12_2013 SELECT * FROM channel; |
| [12:38:13] | Merlin83b: | Good call :) |
| [12:38:14] | Merlin83b: | Here's a thing though. i've updated since, so it might have changed form last time I did it (0.25-fixes, April this year) but Freesat doesn't pick up those channel numbers, instead using long numbers (maybe 4 digits, rings a bell). |
| [12:41:48] | stuartm: | still wish the BBC would launch a part-time sports channel, move all sport to that and stop interrupting normal schedules |
| [12:42:04] | Merlin83b: | When I say freesat doesn't pick them up, I mean the channel scan doesn't use them. I don't know where they come from or how myth works out what channel numbers to use, but it seems to get freeview right from last time I scanned thatn. |
| [12:42:37] | Merlin83b: | What a pragmatic idea, stuartm! |
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| [12:43:45] | stuartm: | pramatism/common sense are alien concepts to the BBC |
| [12:46:58] | Merlin83b: | Sadly so. |
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| [12:48:02] | dekarl: | CREATE TABLE dont_forgert_dtv_multiplex_backup_09_12_2013 SELECT * FROM dtv_multiplex; :D |
| [12:48:13] | stuartm: | to work for the BBC is to live in a completely different world from the rest of us mere mortals – only have to watch Points of View to see that |
| [12:49:49] | stuartm: | take the issue of on-screen channel logos – time after time they read out complaints from viewers about them, the BBC response is "in the digital age, with dozens of channels to choose from, we feel viewers need a guide to which channel they are watching" |
| [12:50:48] | stuartm: | to which sadly no-one has ever been in a position to respond – "Every single STB ever produced tells the viewer which channel they are watching at the press of a single button, and every time they change channels" |
| [12:52:47] | stuartm: | they really need to change the format of Points of View, drop the antiquated "letters from the viewer" to a proper two-way debate format, so that viewers can respond to the BBC spokesman's inane answers |
| [12:53:06] | Merlin83b: | I honestly had no idea pov was still running. |
| [13:08:35] | stuartm: | they drop it and bring it back every now and then, it's a placebo for irritated viewers, doesn't actually achieve anything |
| [13:10:23] | stuartm: | wtf ... "Channel {x} was found to be in conflict with other channels. Please enter a UNIQUE channel number." ... I click 'Suggest', it suggests '1' which is definitely already in use and not unique |
| [13:12:16] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: I'm not sure how the LCN (Logical Channel Number) is signalled for Freesat, but I think it's in a private data stream rather somewhere |
| [13:13:24] | stuartm: | rather than somewhere in normal tables |
| [13:13:28] | Merlin83b: | Is that similar to other sources? |
| [13:13:37] | Merlin83b: | Ah, that would be on DVB-T, yes? |
| [13:13:41] | stuarta: | Merlin83b: i don't think we process the channel mappings for freesat like we do for freeview. +todo_list |
| [13:13:52] | Merlin83b: | Should I make a ticket? |
| [13:14:36] | stuarta: | i'd prefer a patch :-p |
| [13:14:51] | Merlin83b: | Hehe |
| [13:15:29] | Merlin83b: | I finally managed to get myself onto 0.26-fixes a week ago, been trying to find time for that for months. |
| [13:15:41] | Merlin83b: | I'd love to have time to work on myth. |
| [13:15:49] | stuarta: | in the verbose scaning i've done. i can see that the signalling is there. i've just had no time to look at it |
| [13:16:03] | stuartm: | if someone pointed me in the right direction I'd take a look at it |
| [13:16:39] | ** stuarta goes to look for some logs ** | |
| [13:16:59] | Merlin83b: | If I can help by providing any output or a dump of a freesat signal or anything I'd be happy to. |
| [13:19:09] | stuarta: | found it, it's in the NIT |
| [13:20:33] | stuarta: | ooops, that's terrestrial |
| [13:21:56] | zentec: | what operating condition is "pseudolivetv"? |
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| [13:23:46] | stuarta: | so it's not in the NIT on dvb-s, but we do have various descriptors we don't fully decode |
| [13:23:57] | stuarta: | ie. BAT (Bouquet) |
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| [13:27:09] | stuartm: | stuarta: I'll do some reading then :) |
| [13:27:13] | stuartm: | and snooping |
| [13:27:32] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: I have freesat, as does stuarta |
| [13:27:45] | Merlin83b: | Fair enough, guess I won't be much use then! |
| [13:30:04] | stuarta: | stuartm: http://deadpenguin.org/svn/dp/trunk/src/core_si.c suggests BAT descriptor 0xd3 contains LCN |
| [13:31:07] | stuarta: | that's one of the ones we don't decode |
| [13:31:45] | stuarta: | "Unknown(211) Descriptor (0xd3) length(83)" |
| [13:31:52] | stuarta: | lemme pastebin that |
| [13:32:40] | stuarta: | http://fpaste.org/60164/86595952/ |
| [13:40:19] | stuarta: | i'd try initially, plugging our LCN decoder into that descriptor and see what happens |
| [13:44:56] | stuartm: | stuarta: thanks for doing the digging, I'll give that a whirl |
| [13:46:19] | stuarta: | digging is my job ;-) |
| [14:49:01] | stuartm: | I think there is an issue in the order we handle insertion/deletion of channels/transports, had lots of 'conflicting' channels after the last scan but it seems they were only conflicting because we performed the deletion of non-existent transports after the insertion of new channels, the transports had simply moved frequencies |
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| [14:49:21] | stuarta: | the whole thing needs work |
| [14:50:11] | stuartm: | :/ |
| [14:50:28] | stuarta: | but then, i have some grand plans in that area |
| [14:52:02] | stuarta: | then again, if someone wants to fix it, i'll work with whatever is there at the time. |
| [14:52:51] | stuartm: | if I can spare the time, I'll see if there's a simple fix to that particular issue, it's annoying and needless |
| [14:53:18] | stuarta: | i'm keeping my dev database out of sync on purpose |
| [14:53:39] | stuarta: | so that when i eventually get around to it, i'll be able to test quite a few of these |
| [14:54:32] | stuartm: | if a transport doesn't exist, then the channels on it no longer exist – it also doesn't seem to recognise that channels can move between multiplexes, that unless the service id has changed it should be treated as the same channel and updated |
| [14:54:53] | stuarta: | it has no concept of "updated" period... |
| [14:55:18] | stuarta: | everything is new to it |
| [14:55:57] | stuartm: | well it will 'update' channels, but there it just means overwriting user-edited channel numbers and callsigns :( |
| [14:56:17] | stuartm: | and visibility settings – that one is really annoying |
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| [16:02:44] | gigem: | skd5aner: Excellent. Hopefully the log will be very useful. |
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| [16:37:12] | skd5aner: | gigem: would you prefer I submit a ticket and attach that way, or send you the logs via pastebin or email? |
| [16:38:39] | skd5aner: | I'm not an ultra privacy nut, but it does feel a little off posting our entire TV watching preferences publically :) |
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| [17:21:54] | gigem: | skd5aner: How about this then? Open a ticket, but send me the log directly |
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| [17:31:36] | skd5aner: | gigem: deal – what email would you like me to send it to? |
| [17:32:40] | skd5aner: | dengel at mythtv |
| [17:32:41] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [17:33:16] | skd5aner: | or your istwork email addy? |
| [17:33:29] | skd5aner: | er, istwok |
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| [18:22:20] | gigem: | skd5aner: Either one. They both go to the same place. |
| [18:50:30] | skd5aner: | k, thnkas |
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