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| [01:56:14] | gigem: | stuartm: Enums would be nice. For now, I'd go with strings over hard-coded integers. |
| [01:57:34] | gigem: | skd5aner: I believe it's supposed to end live TV and record the scheduled program when the prompt is ignored. ISTR, though, that area of the recorder has been pretty bug for some time. |
| [01:59:04] | gigem: | skd5aner: Please check your logs. I think I sent you a patch that turns on the desired logging automatically when needed. If you're running it, the logs would be useful. |
| [02:02:01] | skd5aner: | gigem: the patch you provided turns on debug, but I still have to start with -v schedule, which I'm doing from here on out :) |
| [02:02:43] | skd5aner: | gigem: thanks again – I know we don't have a lot to really discuss until I can actually provide you usable logs, but just wanted to mention this weird behavior I hadn't quite experienced before :) |
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| [09:20:19] | stuarta: | morning |
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| [15:28:25] | TheCrasher: | Hi guys (and girls?). A quick question: Has there been any discussion about supporting Sat>IP in mythtv already? |
| [15:33:46] | TheCrasher: | Anyone? Cause I'd be interested in implementing this eventually (lacking the hardware at the moment) |
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| [15:49:05] | danielk22: | TheCrasher: I don't think anyone has discussed it. |
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| [15:49:58] | TheCrasher: | danielk22: Too bad :-( I've been waiting for this for ages.. but the hardware is rather expensive |
| [15:56:23] | stuarta: | what do you mean by Sat>IP ?? |
| [15:57:13] | TheCrasher: | Its a standard to make tuners available via IP |
| [15:57:45] | TheCrasher: | Basically you have a device where your LNB is connected to and everyone can use the tuners in that device |
| [15:58:03] | stuarta: | there are several devices of that type floating around |
| [15:58:19] | stuarta: | hdhomerun comes to mind |
| [15:58:28] | stuarta: | more cable than satellite tho |
| [15:58:44] | TheCrasher: | Yea but this one has a standard thats supported by many clients and receivers |
| [15:58:51] | danielk22: | http://www.ses.com/satip |
| [15:58:55] | TheCrasher: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat-IP |
| [15:59:19] | stuarta: | i could do with one of those. my satellite connection is in the next room |
| [15:59:40] | TheCrasher: | mine is 2 floors up.. 2 connectors actually |
| [15:59:54] | TheCrasher: | So far I'm using DVB-T to avoid cabeling |
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| [16:00:13] | TheCrasher: | but they are shutting down DVB-T support partially in hamburg next xear :-( |
| [16:00:23] | danielk22: | http://www.satip.info/resources Looks like it uses mostly specs we already support. |
| [16:00:28] | stuarta: | good lord, bskyb actually *participated* in making this work! wow |
| [16:01:23] | TheCrasher: | Yea basically it uses standards already available afaik and just connects them to a complete system |
| [16:01:42] | stuarta: | it looks like a bloody good idea |
| [16:01:49] | TheCrasher: | I think so too |
| [16:02:18] | TheCrasher: | As I said I've been waiting for this.. :-P |
| [16:02:48] | TheCrasher: | And there is already a prototype LND which only has an ethernetconnector |
| [16:02:55] | TheCrasher: | No sat cabeling whatsoever |
| [16:03:10] | TheCrasher: | THAT will be the future I guess |
| [16:03:15] | jheizer_: | if only all tv sources could be as easy as hdhomeruns |
| [16:04:55] | TheCrasher: | One day all TV Sources will just be delivered to some form of Ethernet or Network and all this cabeling horror will end... some day :-P |
| [16:05:43] | stuarta: | bah, i still need to fix the lags and dropouts from my powerline networking |
| [16:05:59] | TheCrasher: | Uh powerline is evil |
| [16:06:11] | stuarta: | works tho |
| [16:06:35] | TheCrasher: | From time to time :-P |
| [16:06:54] | stuarta: | sigh 300 euro |
| [16:07:55] | TheCrasher: | yea :-/ |
| [16:08:03] | stuarta: | and that's for 2 dvb-s/s2 tuners, 4 sets you back 429 euros :( |
| [16:08:10] | Merlin83b: | Powerline is ace. Use it at home and never have issues. I'm one of the luck ones I guess :) |
| [16:08:26] | TheCrasher: | Well I only have 2 connector here anyway so that would be fine ;) |
| [16:08:40] | stuarta: | Merlin83b: yeah, but mine's only the 85Mb/s spec |
| [16:08:51] | Merlin83b: | I'm on the 200. |
| [16:09:08] | Merlin83b: | Adapters have got really cheap over the past couple of years. |
| [16:09:13] | TheCrasher: | Merlin83b: We had a guy who used it the whole summer without a fuss.. and in winter the heating fired up and the fun was OVER :-P |
| [16:09:18] | stuarta: | i'm toying with the idea of paying someone to wire up my house on the outside |
| [16:09:37] | Merlin83b: | Just buy a long drill bit, stuarta ;) |
| [16:10:00] | TheCrasher: | fiber and nothing else is the right way :-P |
| [16:10:09] | Merlin83b: | TheCrasher: Ouch, that'd be gutting. If I wasn't dealing with an already decorating 50 year old house I'd just cat5 the lot. You'd be mad not to these days. |
| [16:10:40] | Merlin83b: | I did the TV room and put cat 5 behind the skirting to the TV's wall mount. I don't have a TV with a LAN port yet but it's surely only a matter of time and better to have the cable in ready! |
| [16:11:09] | Merlin83b: | Heh, if it was all fibre I'd be screwed. Use it all day long at work but nothing at home has optical ports :) |
| [16:11:30] | stuarta: | Merlin83b: i already have several holes i can recycle |
| [16:11:50] | TheCrasher: | Yea when I did the TV stuff at my parents house I cabled the hell out of me :-P. Nearly ever room has at least one ethernet access |
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| [16:12:30] | Merlin83b: | TheCrasher: Nice. What I wouldn't give for in-home structured cabling! |
| [16:12:32] | TheCrasher: | Yea well I only use fibre for a connection from my cellar to the first floor |
| [16:12:34] | Merlin83b: | stuarta: Handy :) |
| [16:12:49] | Merlin83b: | TheCrasher: For the reason that you can, by the sounds of it. One floor would be fine over copper :P |
| [16:13:16] | TheCrasher: | Yea well the cable is OUTSIDE.. so fibre was the only logical solution |
| [16:13:37] | TheCrasher: | I don't own the house.. just that cellar room and my aparment :-P |
| [16:13:55] | TheCrasher: | And I needed a connection from my server to up here ^^ obviously |
| [16:15:00] | TheCrasher: | But DVB-T really sucks.. the quality is bad and now they are cutting ow some channels from it :'-( |
| [16:15:08] | Merlin83b: | Heh, will let you off that one then :) |
| [16:15:41] | Merlin83b: | That's a shame. I've been using DVB-S/S2 for the past 7 months and it works fine. I was on DVB-T before that and was happy there. Just when I moved there was a dish but no aerial. |
| [16:16:54] | TheCrasher: | Well I have two DVB-S connectors.. but they are in my apartment ^^ I can't put another two cables on that wall.. not to mention the signal loss I'd get |
| [16:17:31] | stuarta: | maybe it's time to upgrade my powerline networking, devolo appear to do one with integrated powerline networking |
| [16:18:20] | TheCrasher: | Digital Devices Octopus NET even has a CI slot.. sweet |
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| [16:19:46] | Merlin83b: | devolo Do one what with integrated, stuarta? |
| [16:20:07] | stuarta: | powerline networking |
| [16:20:24] | ** stuarta is just trying to find that definitively ** | |
| [16:21:03] | TheCrasher: | devolo dLAN TV SAT |
| [16:21:10] | Merlin83b: | A powerline network adapter with integrated powerline networking? |
| [16:21:23] | TheCrasher: | *lol* |
| [16:21:24] | stuarta: | what he said |
| [16:21:53] | TheCrasher: | No way.. a PL-Adapter with PL? We need to call the press :-P |
| [16:22:03] | Merlin83b: | Well that's what I was wondering ;) |
| [16:22:09] | ** stuarta starts throwing his cactus at people ** | |
| [16:22:24] | stuarta: | http://www.devolo.com/consumer/111_dlan-tv-sa . . . _1.html?l=en |
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| [16:23:21] | TheCrasher: | *lol* its even cheeper than the other one :-P |
| [16:23:37] | dekarl-work: | TheCrasher, I heard Hamburg is getting two additional multiplexes in 2014. The stuff that is going off air, is that RTL group at end of 2014? |
| [16:23:50] | TheCrasher: | yea.. suckers |
| [16:23:54] | dekarl-work: | http://www.digitalfernsehen.de/Hamburg-soll-2 . . . 07236.0.html |
| [16:24:08] | jheizer_: | Late, but I ended up with a new construction this last time because it was cat5 everywhere |
| [16:24:26] | jheizer_: | hard now to imagine a house w/o it. |
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| [16:25:19] | dekarl-work: | also I had to laugh hard at SAT>IP... "It is unclear how the encrypted pay-TV stream is supported." after all SES Astra is pushing towards encrypting everything to collect a small service fee per device (HD+) |
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| [16:25:54] | TheCrasher: | Yea well afaik that decryption will only be allowed for one client at a time |
| [16:26:02] | jheizer: | They can't make it easy to use right? |
| [16:26:05] | TheCrasher: | using mythtv however that won't work :-P |
| [16:26:39] | TheCrasher: | But the CI slot is not working at the moment |
| [16:26:50] | TheCrasher: | they want to support it using a firmware update later |
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| [16:27:32] | TheCrasher: | I guess it will end with Sat => Box (decrypting) (encrypting with some other DRM) => propriataryClient (descrypting DRM) |
| [16:28:35] | jheizer: | aaand back to my HD-PVRs and IR blasters :( |
| [16:28:43] | TheCrasher: | DRM is a failed model in any area.. is anyone using encrypted channels with mythtv? |
| [16:29:33] | dekarl-work: | TheCrasher: DRM != Encryption |
| [16:29:33] | TheCrasher: | dekarl-work: Guess what channels that will be nobody knows right? |
| [16:29:44] | TheCrasher: | dekarl-work: yea I know |
| [16:30:55] | TheCrasher: | Well actually Encryption ? DRM :-P |
| [16:35:24] | dekarl-work: | TheCrasher: just look at the other regions for stations that moved into free spots, e.g. Anixe in Rhein/Main, DMAX/7Maxx/Sixx in Munich, etc pp see http://www.dvb-t-portal.de/Programme/ |
| [16:38:18] | TheCrasher: | dekarl-work: :-/ Can't say I'm very happy with the changes.. I'm not so depended on TV since I'm mostly consuming already digitalized content.. but every now and then I do recoed stuff on my DVB-T receivers... guess the switch back to DVB-S is inevitable |
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| [16:55:53] | TheCrasher: | I think the biggest advantage of Sat>IP really is that if you have an LNB that supports it there is no signal loss whatsoever. No matter how long your cabeling has to be (e.g. London -> New York via fiber :-P) |
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| [20:48:58] | stuartm: | this Galeria JS is nasty ... continually reload images in the background even after you close down the page which spawned it, only way to stop it is to close the browser |
| [20:50:10] | stuartm: | or not ... closed the browser and it's _still_ trying to fetch the images!? |
| [20:50:35] | jheizer: | hahaha |
| [20:51:49] | stuartm: | ah, browser was left open on my tablet as well |
| [20:52:47] | stuartm: | think we need to start logging client IP in all services/webfrontend logging |
| [20:56:32] | jheizer: | I was thinking thisweekend about my (sadly typoed) comment on #11959 about the function filtering out the titles with no inetrefs |
| [20:56:32] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11959 ** | |
| [20:57:25] | stuartm: | yeah, can't see the point of that |
| [20:57:35] | jheizer: | I cannot come up with a single good reason why you would want a possibly incomplete title list. Missing titles seems to be a bigger issue than missing artwork to me. |
| [20:57:44] | stuartm: | agreed |
| [20:58:21] | stuartm: | you can easily filter out the titles without ids on the client if that's what you really want |
| [20:58:41] | jheizer: | yeah |
| [21:00:02] | jheizer: | Marked down my vote in the ticket |
| [21:00:25] | jheizer: | in that is something that may be considered |
| [21:00:44] | jheizer: | when I tested I had to go fake in inetrefs for them all cause my master dev system does not have them |
| [21:05:28] | peper03: | Anything obviously wrong with http://pastebin.com/csn8zL6S ? I'd like to get MythWelcome working again. Changing the logic of kMSDontBlockInputDevs to kMSBlockInputDevs makes more sense but that's a more invasive change, which I'd feel a little uncomfortable about commiting to 0.27. |
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| [21:22:11] | stuartm: | peper03: nothing obvious |
| [21:22:26] | stuartm: | not to me at least |
| [21:25:07] | peper03: | stuartm: Thanks. I'll commit it then, I think. If the worst comes to the worst, it can be reverted, but at least it's in otherwise and hopefully fixes the problem (seems to be ok here). |
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| [21:34:32] | jheizer: | More a users question, but I could help test mythwelcome for this case. Can it be used on a slave backend/FE by itself? I use to just hard suspend my FE each night late and let it stay off till next usage, but it recently became a slave backend too so currently it is staying on 24/7 while it may record only once a week. |
| [21:34:34] | stuartm: | reminded that I found a DVD that wouldn't play, need to boil it down to and make it available for download |
| [21:35:19] | stuartm: | jheizer: mythwelcome isn't really required to let backends automatically shutdown/wakeup |
| [21:36:01] | peper03: | jheizer: I think that's exactly the configuration the first user had. |
| [21:37:08] | jheizer: | I never felt like researching all the different way and scripts to do it before and the hard suspend just worked. KISS. Need to read up on it more now, though it is just an atom box so not all that worried about it really. |
| [21:39:20] | stuartm: | there's just one script required, and a setting to toggle – this is the page to read: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
| [21:39:38] | peper03: | stuartm: I've been setting my BE/FE to standby since I've not had the time/mental energy to fix it until now. That works ok, but how would the normal 'standby' functionality work on a combined box? If it started automatically to record something, I want it to shut down once it's done. If it was started manually, I want a longer timeout. I know the backend detects the two but I've not investigated what it does differently. |
| [21:39:46] | stuartm: | which makes it seems harder than it really is, but it's worth reading it all anyway |
| [21:41:54] | peper03: | MythWelcome seems to work ok when the box started automatically (i.e. it shuts down again) but I don't know whether that has something to do with that logic. |
| [21:42:20] | jheizer: | skimming all this reminds me why I was lazy |
| [21:43:38] | peper03: | jheizer: The thing that got me at the beginning was not having 'shutdown' in my sudoers. Seemed odd that mythbuntu wouldn't have that in by default. |
| [21:44:03] | stuartm: | peper03: a combined fe/be is my setup, it behaves exactly as you describe, if it's started automatically it will shutdown when the recording completes, because the frontend goes into standby before the recording finishes* |
| [21:44:45] | stuartm: | * however that does assume a frontend idle timeout value that's not several hours – mine is 20 minutes iirc |
| [21:46:11] | jheizer: | ah, good tip on the sudoers |
| [21:47:04] | stuartm: | the backend does know (or guesses) the difference and won't wait the normal duration before it shuts down, but that same logic isn't yet applied to the frontend, it just so happens that the average recording is going to be longer or at least a substantially percentage of the frontend idle time |
| [21:47:20] | peper03: | I think mine is still on the 90 minute default, which is probably more than is needed, but I think I'd probably want more than 20 minutes. It's not too uncommon to leave MythFrontend idling for a bit sometimes. |
| [21:47:39] | jheizer: | yeah |
| [21:47:44] | jheizer: | with the kid we walk away a lot now |
| [21:48:07] | stuartm: | e.g. with a frontend idle timeout of 30, by the time an average length recording of 45 minutes is complete the frontend has already dropped into standby allowing immediate backend shutdown |
| [21:48:31] | peper03: | Hmm. Quite a few of the kids' programmes are only 10 or 15 minutes, so it'd be sub-optimal to have a timeout of 90 minutes in that case. |
| [21:48:39] | stuartm: | wouldn't be hard to extend the frontend standby mode to account for automatic startup |
| [21:49:24] | jheizer: | Mine is bascially in use 7–10PM and idle besides that. So I have just had it suspend at 1am and been fine with that |
| [21:49:39] | jheizer: | hell, for the 5+ years of mythtv before that I just left them all going 24/7 |
| [21:49:45] | jheizer: | so a few extra hours was nothing |
| [21:50:43] | peper03: | That's the sort of thing I had in mind. I wouldn't have a big problem to ditch MythWelcome but I do quite like being able to see at a glance when the next scheduled recording is due. That's also saved me a couple of times when the tuner drivers hadn't been recompiled and so nothing was scheduled. |
| [21:52:07] | peper03: | I could theoretically leave it on all the time but it just seems a waste when I know it's not in use most of the time. Obviously there are certain advantages to having it always available but generally nothing WOL can't fix. |
| [21:52:08] | jheizer: | haha, I know that feeling. Any time I reboot my MBE that stays running all the time I check mythweb to make sure my hdpvr came back online correctly. |
| [21:52:32] | stuartm: | peper03: I originally intended to add some of the mythwelcome stuff to the standby screen, but I was working to a deadline to get the basic functionality into the release – when the release was over I never went back and finished it |
| [21:53:34] | jheizer: | I had never seen that mythwelcome gui till today. That is exactly what I have wanted to add to my main menu screen for ever |
| [21:53:49] | jheizer: | nice quick overview at a glance |
| [21:53:53] | stuartm: | may already be some of the necessary hooks in there to show the next scheduled recording, can't remember exactly where I left it |
| [21:54:45] | jheizer: | Part of why those were the first items I added to the mobilemyth home screen |
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| [21:54:57] | stuartm: | nope, nothing ... still, really not hard to add |
| [21:55:36] | peper03: | stuartm: Know that feeling. I was rolling along quite well until the feature-freeze phase of 0.27. Now I'm having trouble getting going again (coupled with the fact that work has become much busier and after poring over datasheets all day...) |
| [21:57:12] | stuartm: | right now it's time, there's a lot I'm trying to achieve for the next release but there's only so much I can do |
| [21:57:25] | jheizer: | Thanks for the tips, I'll try out the ACPI page this evening. |
| [21:57:38] | ** jheizer goes to look at .28 goals ** | |
| [21:59:53] | jheizer: | I need to finally try out the MSVC stuff. Having all the code in my familiar environment should help me poke around it a bit easier. |
| [22:00:36] | jheizer: | Though other than maybe helping you on the services, I have no lofty goals. |
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| [23:11:46] | peper03: | stuartm: Looking at IdleScreen::UpdateScreen. The call to GetChild always returns NULL as the 'status' child is not a direct child element and the recursive search only works on groups. Which bit needs tweaking – qChildHelper or status-ui.xml? |
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| [23:31:56] | peper03: | Adding a check for MythUIStateType to qChildHelper seems to fix that particular issue. |
| [23:55:45] | peper03: | Seems like MythUIStateType isn't showing updates to children's text, so the countdown, although tracked and updated internally, isn't being shown on-screen. |
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