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| [00:38:19] | shodan45: | can someone help me understand where my money goes if/when I pay $25 to schedules direct? |
| [00:39:48] | shodan45: | the description on their site is a bit... nebulous? |
| [00:44:59] | wagnerrp: | it pays to license the data from Tribune Media Services |
| [00:55:08] | shodan45: | wagnerrp: from what their site says, that's not entirely true... |
| [00:55:53] | wagnerrp: | right. we pay membership dues, and as part of that membership, we get access to that data |
| [00:56:05] | wagnerrp: | the membership dues in turn go to license the data from Tribune |
| [00:57:32] | shodan45: | but their site says "Your membership fees help us fund programs to help your favorite Open Source projects" |
| [00:57:52] | wagnerrp: | what's left after the licensing fees does do just that |
| [00:58:20] | wagnerrp: | while we were rebuilding our server a year or so back, they gave us temporary VM space |
| [00:58:41] | wagnerrp: | and they've sponsored various other things over the years |
| [01:00:42] | shodan45: | wagnerrp: ok.... that's all great, but it doesn't "feel" right to me – it's not very transparent |
| [01:04:03] | shodan45: | I'd be much more comfortable if they explained exactly how much tribune charges, and/or only charged that |
| [01:04:51] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, there was an attempt to separate the dues from the licensing for the purposes of non-profit status |
| [01:08:13] | shodan45: | does tribune vary what they charge depending on how many people subscribe? |
| [01:08:28] | wagnerrp: | i would expect so |
| [01:08:40] | shodan45: | or is that under an NDA or similar? |
| [01:09:13] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [01:09:34] | shodan45: | maybe to simplify things, SD charges a flat fee? |
| [01:10:05] | wagnerrp: | i know they dropped dues as membership increased, and then raised dues as membership fell off |
| [01:10:05] | shodan45: | I guess this is my problem: they should be explaining all this :/ |
| [01:11:48] | shodan45: | for all I know, Tribune charges a flat $5, and the rest of the membership fees actually go towards killing baby seals >_> |
| [01:12:37] | ** knightr wonders why shodan45 doesn't ask that question to SD directly... ** | |
| [01:13:16] | shodan45: | knightr: is there a #schedulesdirect? |
| [01:13:37] | knightr: | they have forums, at least they had the last time I visited their site... |
| [01:13:37] | wagnerrp: | there are a few MythTV developers who help run SD, but the organizations are otherwise completely independent |
| [01:14:06] | shodan45: | wagnerrp: right, which is why I thought someone in here might know |
| [01:16:32] | knightr: | shodan45, http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/ |
| [01:17:10] | shodan45: | knightr: yeah |
| [01:17:38] | knightr: | the person who is more full time for them is rarely (if ever) on IRC I believe... |
| [01:20:41] | xris: | knightr: I'm always on irc. :) |
| [01:21:04] | knightr: | xris, I was talking about rkulagow... |
| [01:21:10] | xris: | day to day stuff for sd is me, rmeden (xmltv) and rkulagow |
| [01:21:16] | xris: | rkulagow does our tech support |
| [01:21:25] | xris: | thought he's also working on a new json-based feed thing |
| [01:22:23] | knightr: | I thought the person who was almost full time for them was rkulagow, didn't think you were too... |
| [01:22:42] | knightr: | s/think/know |
| [01:24:22] | knightr: | xris, his json-based feed looks very interesting, let's hope we can fully used it... |
| [01:24:35] | knightr: | s/used/use |
| [01:25:07] | knightr: | (I am not sure how much we will able to use it if we rely on xmltv only....) |
| [01:31:24] | knightr: | (if we drop the internal client...) |
| [01:35:05] | xris: | knightr: yeah, esp. since tms wants to kill off datadirect |
| [01:35:21] | xris: | "soon", whatever that means |
| [01:41:05] | knightr: | ouch, was that in his email (if it was I guess I read it too fast or I was low on caffeine)? |
| [01:41:34] | knightr: | so I guess that means they would still license the info but no longer provide the servers? |
| [01:48:52] | xris: | yup. same/similar feed to what he's using now for the json thing |
| [01:55:22] | shodan45: | hm, mythtv frontends connect to mysql on the backend? |
| [01:55:46] | shodan45: | directly, I mean? port 3306? |
| [01:55:54] | wagnerrp: | ues |
| [01:56:33] | shodan45: | interesting... and a little weird ;p |
| [02:02:01] | wagnerrp: | the long term goal is to have the frontends query all data through the backend, and embed the database in the backend |
| [02:02:07] | wagnerrp: | but it's been the way it is for ten years |
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| [03:29:12] | stichnot: | Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, I like the idea of importing/exporting metadata via XML |
| [03:30:00] | wagnerrp: | we already support it, to a limited degree |
| [03:30:26] | wagnerrp: | the video scanner will import an .mxml file of the same name of the video, formatted like the response from the metadata grabbers |
| [03:30:53] | wagnerrp: | there's no mechanism to write that file out, although it can be done fairly easily with one of the grabbers, or the python bindings |
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| [05:07:27] | xris: | wagnerrp: I always wanted something like that for nuvexport |
| [05:07:51] | xris: | I encode a lot of my recordings to m4v files and toss them at mythvideo. would be nice to send meta data with them |
| [05:08:11] | xris: | heck, or even read stuff from the video file's own meta data (but that'd mean nuvexport writing it, too) |
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| [16:57:44] | jpabq: | Does Myth 0.26 work with Qt 4.8 ? |
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| [17:01:36] | jpabq: | Looks like it should. |
| [17:02:00] | stichnot: | jpabq: I'm pretty sure it does. In October, shortly after the 0.26 release, I had to upgrade my Ubuntu 10.04 system to Qt 4.8 (by building from source since 10.04 only goes up to 4.6). |
| [17:02:26] | jpabq: | stichnot: thanks. |
| [17:02:28] | danielk221: | jpabq: It should in theory, because 4.8 should be backward compatible with 4.6. |
| [17:03:10] | danielk221: | For all their faults Qt tends to be good about backward compatibility in minor releases. |
| [17:04:46] | jpabq: | danielk221: I am pretty sure that I have run Qt 4.8 with Myth 0.26 and did not have any issues. I was just being paranoid ;-) |
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| [17:07:25] | jpabq: | danielk221: I was considering backporting the use of QElapsedTimer to MythTimer in 0.26. Such a backport would require checking the Qt version, right? We did not require Qt >= 4.7 in Myth 0.26? |
| [17:08:03] | danielk221: | Right, pretty sure 0.26 was Qt 4.6 based. |
| [17:08:25] | jpabq: | Okay. Thanks. |
| [17:08:45] | danielk221: | There should be a test in ./configure to confirm this :) |
| [17:08:58] | jpabq: | I will take a look |
| [17:12:28] | jpabq: | Indeed. Myth 0.26 configure checks for Qt >= 4.6 |
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| [23:37:35] | stichnot: | wagnerrp: I finally got a chance to look at the mxml stuff. Does this represent metadata beyond the recorded and videometadata tables? |
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